[AT] 430V Freeze plug

[bradloomis at charter.net]

Whatever, I’m 67 years old and since I can remember, probably 11 or 12 they’ve been called ‘freeze plugs’ I have also heard expansion plugs. Unless counter people have been taught different I suspect I can walk into the lamest of stores and get what I need. 

Brad

 

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I tend to agree with Thomas that the true purpose of the plugs is related to the cores used in the sand casting process; but I have to wonder - where did the term "freeze plug" come from?  The proper terminology, based on the online parts outfits like Napaonline and Rock Auto, seems to be "expansion plug". That strikes me as pretty close to "freeze".  On the other hand, every cracked block I've ever seen was equipped with plugs, which does not speak highly of their effectiveness to protect from freezing damage.  It strikes me that the term "freeze plug" perpetuates a myth.

 

SO

 

 

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 6:28 PM Thomas Martin <tmartin at xtra.co.nz <mailto:tmartin at xtra.co.nz> > wrote:

Whereas I've seen six cylinder engine blocks split from one end to the other, with 4 cores plugs intact

within 1/2". As they say, your mileage may vary, especially between newer as against older.

I would never advise anyone to rely the plugs to avert frost damage...

Tom

 

On 03 February 2020 at 09:50 Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com <mailto:spencer at rdfarms.com> > wrote:


True, but they often pop out and save the block if the water jacket freezes. Hence the name stuck. Nothing wrong with it in my book.

Napa did have one proper sized “core plug” and I was able to install this afternoon. Got some farm chores and a Super Bowl so not getting coolant in the tractor today but maybe tomorrow I’ll fill it and take it for spin and get it good and hot.



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On Feb 2, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Thomas Martin <tmartin at xtra.co.nz <mailto:tmartin at xtra.co.nz> > wrote:

Why do people persist in calling them freeze plugs?
The proper nomenclature is core plugs. Why? Because they close the apertures
in the cast block, which enable the cores to be removed, after casting.
That's why wet sleeve engine blocks have none.

Tom

On 03 February 2020 at 07:46 James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> > wrote:


Last weeping freeze plug I had was on the firewall side of a transverse engine. Those antique tractors do not hide the freeze plugs as much. 

Spencer Yost AT List Owner (spencer at rdfarms.com <mailto:spencer at rdfarms.com> ); <snip> So I started on the replacement of the leaking freeze plug last night. Drained the radiator and the block. The block was draining heavily rusted water the last few inches <snap> 
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