[AT] OT-Ground bees - new problem

Mon Aug 24 06:10:16 PDT 2020

While I was in college I worked for a company that made ozone generators. We sold them to the state for controlling odor at the primitive highway rest stops. We also sold them to companies like Ford who treated their smoke stacks to eliminate odors coming out of the stacks. 

There are two kinds of ozone, good and bad. The good is the kind you smell after a good lighting storm, it makes the air smell fresh. The bad is the kind that is generated by passing a high voltage charge between a series of metal plates and pumping air between the plates. The bad will cause your throat and lungs to go dry if you breath in too much, making breathing uncomfortable (experienced that once). No amount of water will soothe it and you just have to wait for things to come back to normal. Ozone generators are used for odor elimination, how well they would work on anything like bees is questionable, ozone is not poisonous. The only thing that an ozone generator may do with bees is cause them to leave the hive until the ozone level drops and they can return. Some may die because they will stay to tend the hive, but I don’t think it would be a final answer.

Carl

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From: Tyler Juranek <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 01:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Ground bees - new problem

Hi Dennis,
That is what an ozone machine is for. If you can, see if you can find
somebody who would have a commercial grade ozone machine. It sucks all
of the oxygen out of the air and you have to go in after it's done
with a ressporator mask and open all windows and turn the fan on on
the AC unit. You cannot go in while the machine is running and you
have to let it air out for at least 24 hours.
The bees won't stand a chance. When we had it done to our house here
due to the terrible water smell in the basement, we had to take out
all the plants, flowers in vaces, and even the fruit! Any living
creatures or things won't stand the ozone.
Just my $0.02. When it's done, it'll smell like a new house!
Take Care,
Tyler Juranek
IA

On 8/23/20, Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com> wrote:
> Reminds me - My son has an old “abandoned” apartment/house next to him
> infested with bees of some kind. Owner refuses to fix issue, and local
> authorities just say they are protected species. The gas/propane ideas have
> been thought of, but structure is too close (15 to 20 feet) to sons house
> and could cause legal issues.
> Good ideas welcome
>
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>  Success! I sprinkled powdered poison around and in the entrance to both
> nests Friday, night so that the workers had no choice but to crawl over it
> to gain entrance to the nest. As of this morning, there was no activity from
> either nest, even after stomping and disturbing the nest area. So the theory
> does work, even it hard to get to areas. Thanks for all the advice.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 8/23/2020 10:16 AM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
> My old tennis racket works great.  An old sreen fly swatter is more
> effective than todays plastic swatter because there is a buildup of air
> pressure in front of the swung plastic swatter that oft times pushes the
> fly/bee away from the swatter.  Herb(GA)
>
> On 08/23/2020 6:59 AM Stephen Offiler
> <soffiler at gmail.com><mailto:soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Carl.  You just reminded of stories I've heard of people swinging at
> them with badminton rackets!
>
> SO
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 5:28 PM <
> szabelski at wildblue.net<mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net>> wrote:
> Carpenter bees will dig a hole from 12 to 18 inches upward from the opening.
> That makes it difficult to get anything all the way into the hole. What I do
> is take ordinary wasp/hornet spray (the foaming kind made to spray high up
> nests from the ground), attach about 24 inches of plastic tubing that fits
> nice and tight over the spray nozzle, and shove the hose all the way up into
> the hole. Then I just spray until the foam runs out of the opening.
> Sometimes I can here the bee buzzing when I insert the tube, but that always
> stops once I press the spray nozzle. By spraying heavily all the way up into
> the hole, I figure I’m saturating the wood with the wasp/hornet spray,
> getting any larva, and I don’t have to worry about another bee using the
> hole. I wait a few days and then plug the hole.
>
> Carpenter bees are fun to try and swat out of the air with a fly swatter.
> They will just kind of hover, and when you swing at them they dodge the fly
> swatter and just look at you like they’re daring you to try again. I’ve even
> tried spraying them, but they seem to be able to dodge the spray just as
> easily. About the only time I am able to knock one down is when I manage to
> get one that’s basically cornered or too close to a wall, and doesn’t have a
> lot of room to dodge the fly swatter. Even then I have to be quick to step
> on it before it comes to and flies off.
>
> Carl
>
>
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> From: Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com<mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>>
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> at at lists.antique-tractor.com<mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
> Sent: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Ground bees
>
> I'm late the the party here but Mark's mention of Sevin reminded me.  We
> have had problems with carpenter bees.  They look like bumblebees and dig
> nests straight into wood, in my case preferring pine rake boards and
> soffits.  We know they're around when we see little piles of sawdust appear
> out of nowhere.  I was told by a good friend who's a professional
> exterminator to use Sevin.  I got a small plastic squeeze-bottle (I think
> it originally contained bicycle chain lube) which will puff out little
> clouds of Sevin when you squeeze it.  Each hole got a good dose.  That took
> care of the problem until the next season rolled around.  I haven't seen
> them in a few years now; maybe they gave up and moved on (or I got ALL of
> them?!)  I repair their holes by gluing in hunks of 3/8" dowel, which seems
> to always fit perfectly.
>
> Anyway, another vote for Sevin.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:00 PM magreer67 <
> magreer67 at gmail.com<mailto:magreer67 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> That's how the Sevin dust treatment works. It takes a week or so to kill
>> them all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com<mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>> Date: 8/21/20 1:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com<mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Ground bees
>>
>> I thought of another idea I might try for the hard to access hive. I have
>> some commercial grade powdered insecticide, Cyper WP. It is designed to
>> be
>> mixed with water, and sprayed. However this entrance must go horizontal
>> for
>> a bit then down. I'm going to sprinkle the powder in the entrance and all
>> around it. They will have no choice but to crawl through it to get in.
>> Then
>> they'll track it through the nest. That's my theory at least,  we'll see
>> how it works.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2020 12:57 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>
>> RE: soap and water:   I think we probably need a recipe.   A good friend
>> that is environmentally conscious recommended this one time.  I used it.
>> The next day I went out to use gasoline on my very pissed off, but very
>> clean yellow jackets.
>>
>> Does it treat the larvae too?
>>
>> I would love to find a ratio/proportion where this works.   I hate
>> pouring
>> gasoline in the ground.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, cgs <
>> oxygenfarm at gmail.com<mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>>
>> < oxygenfarm at gmail.com<mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> If a solution of Dawn+water works, why not do it the safe way?
>> Burning flesh smells bad!
>>
>> On 8/21/20 9:34 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>
>> Yes, light it too.   I’ve never had luck with just gasoline and walking
>> away. I always had to light it.
>>
>> Igniting it also helps  to minimize - at least in some small way - the
>> ground contamination caused by the gasoline.
>>
>> Interesting side-note: my wife was side dressing some plants with dried
>> manure when she got stung. Went out there at night, put in the gasoline
>> and lit it.  Found out dried manure burns very well :-).    Fortunately
>> not in a conflagration kind of way, just sort of a slow, strong, coal
>> ember type burn.  I had my 5 gallon bucket of water with me though so all
>> ended well and I suggest you bring a bucket too.   I’ve heard of mulch
>> fires using this method in shrubbery/natural areas that have been mulched.
>> So do be careful with mulch as well.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Mark Johnson <
>> markjohnson100 at centurylink.net<mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> <
>> markjohnson100 at centurylink.net<mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have been told that gasoline in the hornet nests works even better if
>> you ignite it. :-)
>>
>> Of course, if it's near anything combustible, that's not an option.
>>
>> Mark J
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2020 9:26 PM, drgerber at bright.net<mailto:drgerber at bright.net>
>> wrote:
>> Might be unorthodox but I had ground hornets a few years ago; two holes in
>> the ground from which they swarmed.  Nasty little things.  I tried seven
>> dust per guidance from the local landscape guru; didn't work and I got
>> stung.  Went out at dusk, and poured gasoline down the holes; killed them
>> overnight.  Trick an old farmer friend told me about.
>>
>> Dave in Ohio
>>
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>>
>> Hi all, a little slow here lately so I was wondering if any of you have a
>> sure fire way to rid yourself of ground bees, yellow jackets. We're having
>> a dry summer and that seems to have made them explode. A friendly
>> neighborhood skunk or opossum cleared out 3 for me, but I am battling 2
>> more without much success. One is along the driveway a long ways from the
>> house, so all options are on the table for that one. I discovered it after
>> my wife  had trimmed an elm branch and was getting ready to drag it away.
>> I saw them swarming, but she didn't notice. I told her back back up slowly
>> but steadily and hop back into the truck. The other one is under a
>> Boxwood shrub right next to the garage, I've sprayed it with poison
>> (Bifenthrin) but they won't die. Any tips or advise would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike M
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