[AT] Covid-19

Tue Aug 4 11:12:01 PDT 2020

Just want to say after I read Carl's note, I thought about responding, and
if I had done so, I probably would have sounded a lot like Henry.

SO

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 1:23 PM Henry Miller <hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:

> Carl, there are too many unknowns to make such definite statements. There
> are a dozen or more different vaccines in the works, each working
> differently. Typically about 10% are expected to make it through
> development to be given to humans. Since each works differently we cannot
> say how they will work.  Maybe it will be like smallpox where it is gone
> expect for a few labs and nobody even thinks about it. Maybe it will be
> like measles and almost gone, but just enough unvaccinated remain that it
> keeps coming back. Maybe it will be like tetanus where you need regular
> boosters. Maybe no vaccine will turn out to work. We don't know.
>
> As for antibodies, again we don't know. A few people have got Corvid-19
> twice but we aren't sure if it is really twice vs it wasn't fraught off
> completely and we detect it again. Antibodies fading with time might or
> might not mean that the body isn't immune after that, as the body sometimes
> (only sometimes) can ramp up antibodies if needed. And vaccines might
> create different antibodies that last longer. Maybe, again there is much we
> don't know.
>
> You need a flu shit yearly because the flu mutates so fast. Covid doesn't
> mutate as fast (not to be confused with doesn't mutate) so there is a
> better chance if we get a working vaccine to everyone it will stop all
> strains. But again it is about chance. Of course knowledge of how to make a
> working vaccine probably generalizes to making one for the mutations much
> faster (which is why we have a yearly flu shot instead of years of
> development for each)
>
> Cost isn't clear either. Most will probably be cheap because there is more
> money in a $10 shot everyone can afford so 100 million people buy it than a
> million dollar vaccine that only a handful of people can afford. A lot of
> the research costs are being subsidized (by several different countries) on
> condition of a cheap vaccine if it works.
>
> As for movies, I don't comment on fiction. It can be fun but it isn't
> evidence of any truth.
>
> Again, there are too many unknowns for those confident statements you
> made.
>
> I really need to burn this soapbox, but I'm sure someone else will get me
> to jump on it soon.
>
> --
>   Henry Miller
>   hank at millerfarm.com
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, at 08:34, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
> > It will never really be over. The virus is here and it will be here
> > forever, it will not disappear. Just like small pox, measles, polio,
> > etc., the viruses exist in or environment and will always be here. We
> > say we have eradicated them, but in reality, we have only created
> > vaccines that protect us from them, we have not eradicated them. The
> > same with the flu, it comes back every year, sometimes it changes and
> > the current vaccines don’t protect us, so we have to get a newer
> > vaccine shot.
> >
> > The issue with COVID is that the planned vaccines will only create
> > anti-bodies to fight the virus. However, studies show that the
> > anti-bodies will only last about three to four months. That would
> > indicate that you would need a booster shot every three to four months.
> > At an anticipated cost of $2,000 per shot, a family of four will have
> > to spend $24,000 to $32,000 a year on shots. Will the insurance
> > companies pay for all this? There have been some people who made it
> > through the virus once, had anti-bodies, and then got the virus again
> > few months later.
> >
> > A true vaccine is needed in order to put this issue to bed, and
> > hopefully the current strain of the virus doesn’t evolve and change
> > like the current flu strains do. Another issue is that we are fast
> > tracking the vaccines and won’t know the side affects for some time. I
> > would hate to find out that we are all vaccinated and protected against
> > COVID, but then we all develop heart, liver, kidney, or lung issues at
> > a later date.
> >
> > There are two movies that come to mind in this time. One is “Contagine”
> > (spelling?) that follows a world wide pandemic from start to finish,
> > only in reverse order. The other is “I AM LEGEND” that shows what
> > happens when everybody is vaccinated with a vaccine to protect against
> > cancer, and then the world population experience a side affect that
> > basically turns them into a population that can’t tolerate sunlight and
> > becomes somewhat sub-human.
> >
> > Our life styles are going to change because of COVID and we are going
> > to have to adapt. Will we have to wear masks for the rest of our lives?
> > Will the hand shake go the way of the dinosaur? Will weddings an other
> > gathering have to be held in certified environmentally controlled
> > facilities? Only time will tell, and I personally don’t think it will
> > be soon. At the beginning COVID was reported to only affecting the old
> > and sick, not the younger population.Then it started to show up in the
> > younger population. Now it’s showing up in children. While the younger
> > population and children may not be affected as bad and aren’t dying by
> > the hundreds, they can still spread the virus. As long as the virus can
> > be spread there will always be someone who contracts it and
> > unfortunately dies.
> >
> > My wife and I wear masks, and avoid going anywhere unless it is
> > necessary. We still work with the local food pantry, but have changed
> > how we distribute the food. We don’t go to church on Sundays any more.
> > We aren’t boarding up the windows and doors, but we don’t do anything
> > that we don’t really have to do. We aren’t going to take any chances
> > that we don’t have to since the scientific community is still learning
> > more and more about this virus and they don’t have all the answers
> > figured out yet.
> >
> > Sorry if this is long winded. Stay safe.
> >
> > Carl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ustonThomas Mehrkam <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> > Sent: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 08:42:06 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19
> >
> >  I cannot understand the Mask Issue.  Yes it is a P.I.A. to wear a mask
> > but that is the only way we can get out now a days with a little
> > safety. I am living in a Rural area and there have been quite a number
> > that refuse to wear masks.  It has gotten a little better the last few
> > weeks.  Businesses can be fined for not enforcing masks inside their
> > businesses.  That has helped a bunch but you still see a few holdouts.
> > Sorry about your friend. We have had some family members with Covid-19
> > but they did not have much of a problem with it and have recovered.
> > Will this ever be over.  I want to make an RV trip to Alaska.
> > Hopefully. I will be able to do that in the next couple of years. I
> > would like to Experience Alaska in the Summer instead of the dead of
> > winter working on Seismic Equipment.   That was interesting but ICE is
> > not my thing.  I was born in Texas and it is too darn cold up there in
> > the winter.
> > Stay safe.
> > Tom Mehrkam social distancing on 50 acres just outside Waller Tx.
> >     On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 12:57:26 AM CDT, Mattias Kessén
> > <davidbrown950 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I have of course never met Raymond but I sympathize with your loss,
> > you, of course the family and all other that knew him. These are
> > terrible and strange times.
> >
> > Med vänlig hälsning
> > Mattias Kessén
> > Hässelstad Solhöjden 2594 93 Gamleby
> > 070-523 59 00
> >
> > Den tis 4 aug. 2020 kl 07:14 skrev Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com>:
> >
> > It hit home.
> >
> > I say this with a heavy heart, as many of you attending Portland may
> > have met him. While at Portland I introduced a few of you to a fellow
> > named Raymond Craft.  He was part of the the local home town Pfafftown
> > contingency that attended the Tri-State show. He attended the Portland
> > show along with Bill Gannoway most years and a few others.  We were all
> > good friends and neighbors and were part of the local Rust And Dust
> > club that sponsored the the local tractor show many of you attended.
> >
> > Raymond died of COVID-19 about 10 days ago. He was one of those “masks
> > are for pussies“ kind of guys. I wonder if his three daughters, three
> > grandkids and wife are thinking the same thing these days.
> >
> > I saw him and spoke with him(thank God with a mask on) at a funeral
> > about 15 days before he died.  I miss him already as he was a stand-up
> > guy.  He was also your go-to-guy for Farmall “H” tractors.   I’ll bet
> > his estate now owns about 15-20 of them.
> >
> > I hope all y’all are being careful. Sorry to vent but he leaves a hole
> > in my heart.  I’ll miss seeing him at the local breakfast diner and
> > talking tractors.
> >
> > Spencer
> >
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