[AT] Burn bans

szabelski at wildblue.net szabelski at wildblue.net
Thu Apr 23 16:12:37 PDT 2020


Maybe you just need a bigger fire pit. 15- 20 ft might be what you need. Usually plenty of cinder blocks for free on Craigslist. Stacking 2 - 3 hundred of them shouldn’t be that hard. Plus you can move them from brush pile to brush pile.😁

Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans

LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't
think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain.
The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have
been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice.

Mike M

On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand.
>
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans
>
> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information
> on burn bans, and why they exist.  The Fire Chief and I do have a
> history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn
> off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I
> lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got
> into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to
> stomp it out, but it was  soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I
> told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes
> later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew
> how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn
> ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea.
> His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked
> down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never
> received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that
> it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake.
> In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm
> out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by
> case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's
> lifted.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
>> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn’t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement.
>>
>> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors.
>>
>> I don’t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it’s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him.
>>
>> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It’s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds “ THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW”
>>
>> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can’t afford to be a nation of “ME” and “I’”, we need to be a nation of “We” and “Us”.
>>
>> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don’t or won’t vaccinate.
>>
>> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It’s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this.
>>
>> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that’s been growing in our nation. It’s good to see people working together as one.
>>
>> Sorry for this being so long, and I don’t mean to step on anybody’s toes. Stay safe.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: cgs <oxygenfarm at gmail.com>
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT)
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans
>>
>> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated
>> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No
>> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We
>> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first
>> responders' are out there protecting the crops.
>>
>> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote:
>>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE.
>>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff.
>>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems.
>>> Have already had numerous “controlled” burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc.
>>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up.
>>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan,
>>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire
>>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have
>>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time
>>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on
>>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to
>>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer,
>>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>
>>>>>
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