[AT] [External] Re: OT — Tablet computers
Stephen Offiler
soffiler at gmail.com
Thu Apr 16 15:04:10 PDT 2020
Thanks Brad. On that note, we've been using Libre Office at work for years
now. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was bundled with Linux Mint.
Our IT guy has been looking over my shoulder and now he's getting
Linux-curious...
SO
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:53 PM <bradloomis at charter.net> wrote:
> I’m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after,
> but I got an internal ‘kit’ from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my
> wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS
> and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs
> infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine
> going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux.
> Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year.
>
> Bradford
>
>
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen
> Offiler
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT — Tablet computers
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>
> Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton
> more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a
> workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA
> rings a big bell.
>
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> SO
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> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R <brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell
> Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case
> and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD
> on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less
> than 15 minute job on mine.
>
>
>
> Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to
> remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may
> be out of luck if it's too old.
>
>
>
> It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it
> like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to
> mounting the drive internally.
>
>
>
> Brad
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of Stephen
> Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT — Tablet computers
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>
> Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to
> waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's
> connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0?
>
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> SO
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> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R <brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu>
> wrote:
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> An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops.
> Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops.
> (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago).
>
>
>
> SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30
> and a 240GB for under $50.
>
>
>
> So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a
> fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of
> recycling. 🙂
>
>
>
> Brad
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> Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
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> >
> *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers
>
>
>
> That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of
> the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't
> committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work
> around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is
> a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on
> the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked
> at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being
> OS and apps, not data.
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> SO
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> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs <oxygenfarm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used
> the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast!
>
> On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>
> Hi Bob:
>
>
>
> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
>
>
>
> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks.
>
>
>
> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable
> thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
>
>
>
> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux.
> Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during
> initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD.
>
>
>
> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned
> it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You
> can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is
> lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD
> for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to
> be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be;
> might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the
> install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over,
> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition.
>
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> SO
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> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>
> wrote:
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> Steve
>
>
>
> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as
> possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)
> I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me
> and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the
> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the
> management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email,
> spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on
> a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm.
> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day.
>
>
>
> Steve O.
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> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my
> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd
> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me “Apps”. Both ate WiFi
> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky.
> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7
>
> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the
> group has me convinced I should try linux on
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > If your wife’s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn’t have the latest OS,
> which is why she’s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife
> and I both have newer I-pads, and we don’t have that issue. Our only issue
> is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can’t get any
> cable out here.
> >
> > My wife’s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased.
> >
> > Carl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers
> >
> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer
> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not
> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows
> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would
> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was
> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product,
> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's
> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking
> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can
> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad.
> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to
> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I
> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use
> > the Internet.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike M
> >
> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> >> First off: great gift idea. I’m sure she’ll appreciate it.
> >>
> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can’t
> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not
> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if
> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some
> >> credit on your wife’s current iPad.
> >>
> >> Also get the model that is just “iPad“. There is an iPad Pro, iPad
> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model
> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn’t use the camera. Might
> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might
> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has
> gotten.
> >>
> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any
> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an
> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping.
> >>
> >> As an aside: I’ve been doing software for a living for a long time
> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple
> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they’re really good products
> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their
> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are
> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a
> >> work Mac.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Spencer
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always
> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last
> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest
> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not
> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and
> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Mike M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad!
> >>>>
> >>>> SO
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
> >>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike M
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Mike,
> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if
> >>>> they sell
> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story.
> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an
> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought
> >>>> I'd be
> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a
> >>>> computer
> >>>>> and set it up myself.
> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to
> >>>> December of
> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought
> >>>> I would
> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong.
> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order.
> >>>> I needed
> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an
> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my
> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the
> >>>> thing was
> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact
> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on
> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they
> >>>> have it.
> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and
> >>>> ready to go
> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so.
> >>>>> Good Luck,
> >>>>> Tyler Juranek
> >>>>> IA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
> >>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear
> >>>> her complain
> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate
> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12” iPad. I thought it too
> >>>> big and pricey
> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent
> >>>> a good part of
> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even
> >>>> lugged it along
> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi
> >>>> on ship and
> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden
> >>>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just
> >>>> pony up the
> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to
> >>>> influence her
> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has
> >>>> to be changed
> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said
> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't.................
> >>>>>>>> Cecil
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials
> >>>> on tablets as
> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You
> >>>> might want to look
> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a
> >>>> deal where if
> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or
> >>>> real cheap.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out
> >>>> just a few
> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife’s iPhone...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker
> >>>> <claudekyker at gmail.com <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Something to be aware of is whether to get “WIFI only “
> >>>> or get one
> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good
> >>>> when you have
> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel
> >>>> signal is
> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you
> >>>> are aware.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Claude
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
> >>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a
> >>>> newer Apple is
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based
> >>>> and sometimes
> >>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the
> >>>> tablet
> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They
> >>>> work, but there
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific
> >>>> manufacturer supports
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google
> >>>> wants to push the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low
> >>>> powered
> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might
> >>>> be rough
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface
> >>>> line, it again is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you
> >>>> detach the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the
> >>>> hardware lacks
> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay
> >>>> extra for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts
> >>>> admit they are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this
> >>>> year, we will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> see...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a
> >>>> tablet get.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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