[AT] OT — Tablet computers

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Thu Apr 16 04:59:10 PDT 2020


On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used 
the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast!

On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> Hi Bob:
>
> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
>
> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks.
>
> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable 
> thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
>
> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at 
> Linux.  Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something 
> like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather 
> than the HD.
>
> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually 
> learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS 
> into RAM.  You can do what looks like work straight from there, but 
> anything you do is lost on power-down.  I eventually decided to 
> install and partition my HD for dual-boot.  My HD has been wonky in 
> the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even 
> recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at 
> all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will 
> be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and 
> dumping the XP partition.
>
> SO
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com 
> <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com> <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com 
> <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>     Steve
>
>     I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3?
>
>     Bob
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>>     On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>     Go for it Bob!  I am now doing my level best to work from home as
>>     much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they
>>     don't travel well ;-)  I am just reorganizing work flow so all
>>     the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be
>>     on the floor.  At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns
>>     workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management
>>     software.  It left me wanting a separate screen for email,
>>     spreadsheets, word processing.  I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate
>>     Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it
>>     works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was
>>     productive with it the same day.
>>
>>     Steve O.
>>
>>     On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>     <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com> <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>     <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Mike
>>
>>         I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage  We bought
>>         it for my daighter gor college and a new work one.  The older
>>         one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer
>>         programs, excuse me “Apps”. Both ate WiFi only  the new one
>>         runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky.  That
>>         started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running
>>         windows 7
>>
>>         All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older
>>         laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on
>>
>>         Bob
>>
>>         Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>         > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net
>>         <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
>>         >
>>         > Mike,
>>         >
>>         > If your wife’s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn’t have
>>         the latest OS, which is why she’s probably running slow and
>>         getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads,
>>         and we don’t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have
>>         to get our internet through a dish since we can’t get any
>>         cable out here.
>>         >
>>         > My wife’s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased.
>>         >
>>         > Carl
>>         > ----- Original Message -----
>>         > From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>>         > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>         <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>         > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
>>         > Subject: Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers
>>         >
>>         > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if
>>         they do offer
>>         > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can
>>         use. I'm not
>>         > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college
>>         with Windows
>>         > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though
>>         superior, would
>>         > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most
>>         software was
>>         > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a
>>         better product,
>>         > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason
>>         my wife's
>>         > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad
>>         blocking
>>         > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to
>>         the fact I can
>>         > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and
>>         rarely see an ad.
>>         > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day
>>         and had to
>>         > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem.
>>         Holy crap, if I
>>         > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I
>>         wouldn't use
>>         > the Internet.
>>         >
>>         > Thanks,
>>         > Mike M
>>         >
>>         >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>         >> First off:  great gift idea.   I’m sure she’ll appreciate it.
>>         >>
>>         >>  Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their
>>         partners can’t
>>         >> undercut them by much.  The few bucks you might save at
>>         Newegg may not
>>         >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In
>>         addition if
>>         >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At
>>         least get some
>>         >> credit on your wife’s current iPad.
>>         >>
>>         >> Also get the model that is just “iPad“. There is an iPad
>>         Pro, iPad
>>         >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32
>>         GB model
>>         >> should be plenty as well since she doesn’t use the
>>         camera.    Might
>>         >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. 
>>          She might
>>         >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the
>>         camera has gotten.
>>         >>
>>         >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she
>>         has any
>>         >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on
>>         getting an
>>         >> adapter.   I guess that can come after the unwrapping.
>>         >>
>>         >> As an aside:  I’ve been doing software for a living for a
>>         long time
>>         >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple
>>         >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they’re really
>>         good products
>>         >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support
>>         their
>>         >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy.
>>         Those are
>>         >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal
>>         Mac and a
>>         >> work Mac.
>>         >>
>>         >> Good luck!
>>         >>
>>         >> Spencer
>>         >>
>>         >> Sent from my iPhone
>>         >>
>>         >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>         <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>         >>>
>>         >>>  So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I
>>         have always
>>         >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I
>>         buy last
>>         >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the
>>         absolute latest
>>         >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature
>>         that I'm not
>>         >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing
>>         speed, and
>>         >>> will give me the most bang for my buck?
>>         >>>
>>         >>> Thanks,
>>         >>> Mike M
>>         >>>
>>         >>>
>>         >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>         >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want
>>         an iPad!
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>> SO
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M
>>         <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>         >>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>>    Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the
>>         Newegg site.
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>>    Mike M
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>>
>>         >>>>    On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote:
>>         >>>>> Hi Mike,
>>         >>>>>    Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't
>>         know if
>>         >>>>    they sell
>>         >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story.
>>         >>>>>    Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my
>>         buddies is an
>>         >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I
>>         thought
>>         >>>>    I'd be
>>         >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a
>>         >>>>    computer
>>         >>>>> and set it up myself.
>>         >>>>>    Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to
>>         >>>>    December of
>>         >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I
>>         thought
>>         >>>>    I would
>>         >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong.
>>         >>>>>    Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was
>>         in order.
>>         >>>>    I needed
>>         >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but
>>         I host an
>>         >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the
>>         books for my
>>         >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the
>>         >>>>    thing was
>>         >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the
>>         same exact
>>         >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I
>>         would check on
>>         >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they
>>         >>>>    have it.
>>         >>>>>    Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770
>>         out and
>>         >>>>    ready to go
>>         >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to
>>         do so.
>>         >>>>>    Good Luck,
>>         >>>>>    Tyler Juranek
>>         >>>>>    IA
>>         >>>>>
>>         >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>         <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>         >>>>    <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>>
>>         wrote:
>>         >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear
>>         >>>>    her complain
>>         >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a
>>         love/hate
>>         >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are
>>         they spendy.
>>         >>>>>>
>>         >>>>>> Mike M
>>         >>>>>>
>>         >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
>>         >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12” iPad. I thought
>>         it too
>>         >>>>    big and pricey
>>         >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.  Ever since she has
>>         spent
>>         >>>>    a good part of
>>         >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things.
>>         Even
>>         >>>>    lugged it along
>>         >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and
>>         had WiFi
>>         >>>>    on ship and
>>         >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip.
>>         >>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden
>>         >>>>    <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>
>>         <mailto:crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>>>
>>         wrote:
>>         >>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years of marriage in August
>>         is just
>>         >>>>    pony up the
>>         >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to
>>         >>>>    influence her
>>         >>>>>>>> decision.  That way if the one she gets is obsolete
>>         or has
>>         >>>>    to be changed
>>         >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. 
>>          Note I said
>>         >>>>>>>> Shouldn't.................
>>         >>>>>>>> Cecil
>>         >>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>         >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have
>>         specials
>>         >>>>    on tablets as
>>         >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You
>>         >>>>    might want to look
>>         >>>>>>>>> into that.  I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a
>>         >>>>    deal where if
>>         >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or
>>         >>>>    real cheap.
>>         >>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out
>>         >>>>    just a few
>>         >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife’s iPhone...
>>         >>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>         >>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker
>>         >>>>    <claudekyker at gmail.com <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>         >>>>>>>>>> Something to be aware of is whether to get “WIFI
>>         only “
>>         >>>>    or get one
>>         >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only
>>         is good
>>         >>>>    when you have
>>         >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,  cellular data can be used
>>         anywhere cel
>>         >>>>    signal is
>>         >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making
>>         sure you
>>         >>>>    are aware.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>> Claude
>>         >>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>         >>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M
>>         <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>         >>>>    <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>>
>>         wrote:
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a
>>         >>>>    newer Apple is
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based
>>         >>>>    and sometimes
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> they
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote:
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and
>>         so the
>>         >>>>    tablet
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They
>>         >>>>    work, but there
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific
>>         >>>>    manufacturer supports
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google
>>         >>>>    wants to push the
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops
>>         and low
>>         >>>>    powered
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but
>>         might
>>         >>>>    be rough
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> edges.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface
>>         >>>>    line, it again is
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet
>>         when you
>>         >>>>    detach the
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the
>>         >>>>    hardware lacks
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it
>>         wrong. Pay
>>         >>>>    extra for
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the
>>         enthusiasts
>>         >>>>    admit they are
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually
>>         change this
>>         >>>>    year, we will
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> see...
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people
>>         with a
>>         >>>>    tablet get.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there.
>>         >>>>>>>>>>>>
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