From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 04:56:00 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 07:56:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: https://www.motionpro.com So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha DT-175. SO On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash > adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, > and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the > adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far > out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started > looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the > fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a > compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice > compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it > took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five > compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s > suspicious. > > So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could > rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how > fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at > all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. > Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had > better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big > enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it > and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have > to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. > > So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel > puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be > coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak > springs in the clutch. > > The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the > covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 1 10:18:35 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:18:35 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> Guys: First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out of this infection....? The only good I see coming out of this is maybe we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some engineering services he provided..? I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN.? Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800.? When it arrived,? I found it was a 460V 3 phase.? The 3 phase was not a problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large manufacturing facilities.? I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the reason as defective.? The seller disputed the defective reason as he had sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the report.?? I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal.? I filed a not as described dispute with Paypal.? Of course the seller stated that he furnished me all the information he had available.? I sent a picture of the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800.?? Great!!!!! Not so Great.................... Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a dock.? The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper.? I need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the drivers are signing the receipt. It looks like I am back to trying to sell it.?? A used 460V plasma cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power.? A facility this large would just buy new. Hey Steve O....?? Is your company interested??? Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma From robinson46176 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:34:47 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 13:34:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve: Commercial announcement: :-) If you are chasing machines... A granddaughter of ours and her husband have such a business at Fairfax Vermont. It's called Vermont Industrial Supply. Our Daughter and her husband moved from Montana to Fairfax to work for them (and just to be close) and the three of them work at it full time. Our son-in-law works at Ben & Jerry's. They buy and sell all manner of tooling and their volume has become quite high. Most of what they sell is used but the spread of what they end up with is surprising. I can't actually make a recommendation since I have never been a customer of theirs. :-) But you might find them useful. BTW, I don't get a commission... :-) I do think that they are good people. :-) On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built > more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and > last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for > motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: > https://www.motionpro.com > > So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is > manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and > we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment > and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own > internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from > others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected > savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a > suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the > factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, > then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say > $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles > on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know > a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do > all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" > setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily > operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC > machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run > 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" > range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two > vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha > DT-175. > > SO > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > >> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >> suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >> springs in the clutch. >> >> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:43:23 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 13:43:23 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> References: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> Message-ID: Hey Cecil: Don't get your hopes up, but I will look into it. We don't really do the sort of fabrication work where a plasma cutter would fit in. That said, I am going to talk it over with one of my guys (who's working mostly from home, but comes in after the hourly folks go home) and see what he thinks. I can't think of any of our equipment using 440V (that's what we call it... like how some people say 110V, some say 120V) but we have several transformers and surely there's available 440 taps. We've got a LOT of 208/220V-3ph, and a bit of 600V-3ph. Send me whatever info you've got. Again - this is a long shot. Steve O. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > Guys: > First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out > of this infection.... The only good I see coming out of this is maybe > we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. > > I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some > engineering services he provided.. I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma > cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. > Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800. > When it arrived, I found it was a 460V 3 phase. The 3 phase was not a > problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large > manufacturing facilities. I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the > reason as defective. The seller disputed the defective reason as he had > sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the > report. I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed > by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal. I filed a not as > described dispute with Paypal. Of course the seller stated that he > furnished me all the information he had available. I sent a picture of > the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800. > Great!!!!! > > Not so Great.................... > > Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a > dock. The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper. I > need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the > drivers are signing the receipt. > It looks like I am back to trying to sell it. A used 460V plasma > cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A facility this > large would just buy new. > > Hey Steve O.... Is your company interested??? > > Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:51:41 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 13:51:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks farmer... quick Google search, I see they've got a Facebook page, and from there "Shop Now" I'm on their own site. Will check it out! I'll keep them in mind, but I'm only doing 1-2 acquisitions per year, and it's slowing down since the available floor space is starting to fill. SO On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:35 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > Hi Steve: > Commercial announcement: :-) > If you are chasing machines... A granddaughter of ours and her husband > have such a business at Fairfax Vermont. It's called Vermont Industrial > Supply. Our Daughter and her husband moved from Montana to Fairfax to work > for them (and just to be close) and the three of them work at it full time. > Our son-in-law works at Ben & Jerry's. They buy and sell all manner of > tooling and their volume has become quite high. Most of what they sell is > used but the spread of what they end up with is surprising. I can't > actually make a recommendation since I have never been a customer of > theirs. :-) But you might find them useful. BTW, I don't get a > commission... :-) > I do think that they are good people. :-) > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built >> more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and >> last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for >> motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: >> https://www.motionpro.com >> >> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is >> manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and >> we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment >> and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own >> internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from >> others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected >> savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a >> suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the >> factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, >> then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say >> $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles >> on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know >> a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do >> all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" >> setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily >> operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC >> machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run >> 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" >> range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two >> vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha >> DT-175. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >>> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >>> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >>> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >>> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >>> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >>> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >>> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >>> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >>> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >>> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >>> suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >>> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >>> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >>> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >>> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >>> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >>> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >>> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >>> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >>> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >>> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >>> springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >>> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Wed Apr 1 12:07:00 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cecil You might think about picking up a 240/3 Phase to 460/3 phase transformer in a suitable size Might make out better with less hassle Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Hey Cecil: > > Don't get your hopes up, but I will look into it. We don't really do the sort of fabrication work where a plasma cutter would fit in. That said, I am going to talk it over with one of my guys (who's working mostly from home, but comes in after the hourly folks go home) and see what he thinks. I can't think of any of our equipment using 440V (that's what we call it... like how some people say 110V, some say 120V) but we have several transformers and surely there's available 440 taps. We've got a LOT of 208/220V-3ph, and a bit of 600V-3ph. Send me whatever info you've got. Again - this is a long shot. > > Steve O. > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> Guys: >> First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out >> of this infection.... The only good I see coming out of this is maybe >> we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. >> >> I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some >> engineering services he provided.. I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma >> cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. >> Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800. >> When it arrived, I found it was a 460V 3 phase. The 3 phase was not a >> problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large >> manufacturing facilities. I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the >> reason as defective. The seller disputed the defective reason as he had >> sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the >> report. I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed >> by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal. I filed a not as >> described dispute with Paypal. Of course the seller stated that he >> furnished me all the information he had available. I sent a picture of >> the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800. >> Great!!!!! >> >> Not so Great.................... >> >> Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a >> dock. The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper. I >> need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the >> drivers are signing the receipt. >> It looks like I am back to trying to sell it. A used 460V plasma >> cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A facility this >> large would just buy new. >> >> Hey Steve O.... Is your company interested??? >> >> Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 1 12:12:36 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:12:36 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rather just sell it as I already have 2 80 amp machines and a 40 amp, one is 3 phase 230V, all Thermal Dynamics.? I should have just bought him a new 30 amp cutter, it would have enough power for most of his use and not that expensive. Cecil On 4/1/2020 2:07 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Cecil > > You might think about picking up a 240/3 Phase to 460/3 phase > transformer in a suitable size ? Might make out better with less hassle > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> Hey Cecil: >> >> Don't get your hopes up, but I will look into it.? We don't really do >> the sort of fabrication work where a plasma cutter would fit in.? >> That said, I am going to talk it over with one of my guys (who's >> working mostly from home, but comes in after the hourly folks go >> home) and see what he thinks.? I can't think of any of our equipment >> using 440V (that's what we call it... like how some people say 110V, >> some say 120V) but we have several transformers and surely there's >> available 440 taps. We've got a LOT of 208/220V-3ph, and a bit of >> 600V-3ph. Send me whatever info you've got.? Again - this is a long shot. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cecil Bearden > > wrote: >> >> Guys: >> First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can >> keep out >> of this infection....? The only good I see coming out of this is >> maybe >> we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. >> >> I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some >> engineering services he provided..? I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma >> cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. >> Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of >> $800. >> When it arrived,? I found it was a 460V 3 phase.? The 3 phase was >> not a >> problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large >> manufacturing facilities.? I filed a dispute with Ebay and I >> listed the >> reason as defective.? The seller disputed the defective reason as >> he had >> sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the >> report.?? I tried again, and was advised that the case had been >> closed >> by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal.? I filed a not as >> described dispute with Paypal.? Of course the seller stated that he >> furnished me all the information he had available.? I sent a >> picture of >> the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for >> $800. >> Great!!!!! >> >> Not so Great.................... >> >> Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a >> dock.? The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the >> shipper.? I >> need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the >> drivers are signing the receipt. >> It looks like I am back to trying to sell it.?? A used 460V plasma >> cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 1 13:20:26 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Message-ID: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl From jtchall at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 1 18:06:41 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:06:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 years--and it was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial drill, long bed TOS, 3 grinders and some small stuff from an acquaintance that was retiring). All 3 of our CNC lathes are Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them hard like a lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ John Hall On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. ?Japanese bikes are > built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just > last and last.? I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE > go-to source for motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion > Pro: https://www.motionpro.com > > So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is > manage and grow our CNC capabilities.? We are small, funds are tight, > and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance?a sweet new piece of > equipment and pay for it by selling parts to others.? We build parts > for our own internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently > purchase from others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, > and use the projected savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC > equipment.? Once I locate a suitable machine and coordinate shipping > and rigging, it lands on the factory floor, I next get it all set up, > leveled, aligned, and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong.? > Bear in mind we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K > new in 1997, so they have some miles on them.? I do all the necessary > refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great independent CNC > repair tech for stuff that is beyond me.? Then I do all the > programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" > setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily > operation.? Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these > CNC machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still > happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances > in the?+/-0.0001" range.? I like older Japanese stuff.? Back to your > Kawasaki, we've got two vintage bikes:? my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 > and I've got a '75 Yamaha DT-175. > > SO > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost > wrote: > > So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash > adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to > start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it > because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell > they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been > happening.? So I started looking for other explanations.? I seem > to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I > didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test:? > For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 > both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 > seconds of starter time to actually get the four or? five > compression strokes you need to get a max reading.? Hmmm.? ?That?s > suspicious. > > So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I > could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a > look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine.? The > engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it > would catch and turn over once.? Clearly the starter clutch was > slipping.? ?This would explain why I had better luck roll starting > it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m > small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and > that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I > have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. > > So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like > flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately > needs. They should be coming in a few days.? My guess when I get > it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. > > The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before > the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moscowengnr at outlook.com Wed Apr 1 18:27:12 2020 From: moscowengnr at outlook.com (Dennis Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 01:27:12 +0000 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> References: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> Message-ID: Cecil, I will try and remember this if we ever get a need for this. The shop I manage has 3 phase 440 for the cranes. Issue is right now with oilfield slow, we are not doing any fabrication. Thanks, Dennis Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?Guys: > First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out of this infection.... The only good I see coming out of this is maybe we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. > > I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some engineering services he provided.. I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800. When it arrived, I found it was a 460V 3 phase. The 3 phase was not a problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large manufacturing facilities. I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the reason as defective. The seller disputed the defective reason as he had sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the report. I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal. I filed a not as described dispute with Paypal. Of course the seller stated that he furnished me all the information he had available. I sent a picture of the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800. Great!!!!! > > Not so Great.................... > > Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a dock. The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper. I need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the drivers are signing the receipt. > It looks like I am back to trying to sell it. A used 460V plasma cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A facility this large would just buy new. > > Hey Steve O.... Is your company interested??? > > Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:44:28 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 20:44:28 -0500 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <62EC854249054B5FA6CEB3534060B0E4@JimDesktop> Could it be the remains of a tool box base or the bracket the tool box attached to? Could it be rusted remains of the battery box base? Otherwise, doesn?t sound familiar. Got a picture? Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 3:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 22:12:14 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 00:12:14 -0500 Subject: [AT] Better build a bigger shed In-Reply-To: <000001d60713$2378a310$6a69e930$@att.net> References: <5BAAC386B2E94B09B4A651D64F0C5563@JimDesktop> <02a301d60705$5e655b20$1b301160$@att.net> <000001d60713$2378a310$6a69e930$@att.net> Message-ID: A near copy of the other chart on that page (horses vs. tractors) is also in the USDA yearbook. I started looking at the references, finally noticed the connection. The EH web page has this reference: Gray, R. B. The Agricultural Tractor: 1855 ? 1950. St. Joseph, Michigan: American Society of Agricultural Engineers, 1954 (revised, 1975). The relevant chapter in the 1960 yearbook, ?The Development of the Tractor? was written by E. M. Dieffenbach and R. B. Gray. So it goes back to the same source data but was updated over the years. Jim Becker From: deanvp at att.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:16 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Here is where this chart came from: https://eh.net/encyclopedia/economic-history-of-tractors-in-the-united-states/ Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ From: AT On Behalf Of Jim Becker Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:03 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Interesting. Pretty similar to the one I was looking at, but different enough to suggest the data was separately gathered. Mine came from the USDA yearbook 1960, Power To Produce. Thus the chart stops at 1958. Where did yours come from? Jim Becker From: deanvp at att.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:37 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ From: AT On Behalf Of Jim Becker Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:59 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Somewhat of a SWAG, but there were about 4.8 million tractors in the US in 1960, exclusive of garden tractors. Certainly many of the then 30 or more year old tractors were already gone. So numbers originally produced by 1960 would be higher, call the total 6 million. The annual production peaked in 1951, just over 600 thousand. It dropped off sharply after that. I doubt that as many have been built in the 60 years since 1960 as in the 60 years prior. Call it another 4 million. That puts total US production in the range of 10 million. What about the rest of the world? Maybe as many more as the US built? If so, that would put total world production around 20 million. That has to be about the right order of magnitude. Adding in garden tractors, and even deciding what a garden tractor is will make a big difference. Jim Becker From: Indiana Robinson Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 8:14 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Speaking of a billion tractors... Does anyone have a handle on how many tractors have been built in the world in the last 120 years? I'm not too sure where you would draw a line between "tractors" and "garden tractors". 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 330888 bytes Desc: not available URL: From deanvp at att.net Thu Apr 2 01:21:21 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 01:21:21 -0700 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 03:03:24 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 06:03:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the 1990's. They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one machine used to have a single-stick tube that I retrofitted with an Ebay bar feeder) and we run them unattended after-hours, aka "lights-out". Despite having worked in unknown other shops and beat who-knows how hard, they all can still hold tenths, and the Tsugami has encoders that go out to .00001" - not that we could ever work to that level of precision; between thermal issues and the ability to make measurements down there, that's way beyond what we need or could possibly do. We're slowing down but we're still plodding forward, customers are still ordering, some. We're keeping the people employed and building inventory where it makes sense. SO On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall wrote: > My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 years--and it > was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial drill, long bed TOS, 3 > grinders and some small stuff from an acquaintance that was retiring). All > 3 of our CNC lathes are Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them > hard like a lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that > couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention > from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ > > John Hall > > > On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built > more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and > last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for > motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: > https://www.motionpro.com > > So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is > manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and > we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment > and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own > internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from > others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected > savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a > suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the > factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, > then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say > $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles > on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know > a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do > all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" > setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily > operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC > machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run > 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" > range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two > vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha > DT-175. > > SO > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > >> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >> suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >> springs in the clutch. >> >> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 06:21:49 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> Message-ID: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From jahaze at aol.com Thu Apr 2 07:48:15 2020 From: jahaze at aol.com (Joe Hazewinkel) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:48:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <96D0EF5F-824D-4CB7-94A1-D08F03662FBD@aol.com> Are they the protective covers that go over the wires for the fender lights? Enjoy, Joe Sent via mobile device > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:21 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > ?Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 08:10:54 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:10:54 -0500 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> Sounds like you have the deluxe seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seat bracket to the left of the battery. That voids my earlier tool box comment as the tool boxes are different. What year Cub is it? The only things I can think of that would be that thin are the clips that hold the wiring harness. Most of them are nowhere near 1 1/2 inches wide. I think we need that picture. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:21 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 12:28:44 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 12:34:12 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <735532390.20688725.1585856052629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Looks like the picture didn?t get sent, I?ll ty again Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 12:52:35 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:52:35 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: I think the mailing list strips off all attachments. You can try sending the picture directly to those of us that have replied to this thread (or put it on a picture site somewhere). The standard pan seat is held by a mount that is on the same side of the battery as the tool box. I'm still unsure what you have. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:28 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 13:05:30 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1171384671.20716653.1585857930635.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Got a response from the list that the pictures exceeded the limit size and may be sent after they?re reviewed. If they don?t get OK?d I?ll try sending them one at a time. The seat mount is on the same side as the tool box, held in by two large bolts with two extra holes to allow for a position adjustment. The tool box attaches over the two large bolts by a single small bolt on the front of the mount. It?s the basic seat according to the owner?s and maintenance manuals I have. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Cc: szabelski at wildblue.net, Jim Becker Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Pictures I think the mailing list strips off all attachments. You can try sending the picture directly to those of us that have replied to this thread (or put it on a picture site somewhere). The standard pan seat is held by a mount that is on the same side of the battery as the tool box. I'm still unsure what you have. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:28 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures From jtchall at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 2 19:13:25 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 22:13:25 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: About .0002' is as close as I care to hold. We often make offsets of .0002-3. Want some fun, try turning something 1/4" in dia sticking about 1 1/2" out of the chuck---a 10" 3 jaw that is. Slow on work so we pulled back in a job we had subbed to a screw machine shop. Yeah, those Swiss machines will kick my butt all day on the tiny stuff. John Hall On 4/2/2020 6:03 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the 1990's.? > They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one machine used to > have a single-stick tube that I retrofitted with an Ebay bar feeder) > and we run them unattended after-hours,?aka "lights-out".? Despite > having worked in unknown other shops and beat who-knows how hard, they > all can still hold tenths, and the Tsugami has encoders that go out to > .00001" - not that we could ever work to that level of precision; > between thermal issues and the ability to make?measurements down > there, that's way beyond what we need or could possibly do.? We're > slowing down but we're still plodding forward, customers are still > ordering, some.? We're keeping the people employed and building > inventory where it makes sense. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall > wrote: > > My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 > years--and it was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial > drill, long bed TOS, 3 grinders and some small stuff from an > acquaintance that was retiring). All 3 of our CNC lathes are > Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them hard like a lot > of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that couldn't > repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention > from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ > > John Hall > > > On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer.? ?Japanese bikes >> are built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... >> they just last and last.? I see you're tooling up, and wanted to >> mention THE go-to source for motorcycle-specific special service >> tools, Motion Pro: https://www.motionpro.com >> >> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do >> is manage and grow our CNC capabilities.? We are small, funds are >> tight, and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance?a sweet >> new piece of equipment and pay for it by selling parts to >> others.? We build parts for our own internal needs, so I pick and >> choose parts we currently purchase from others, figure out what >> we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected savings to >> fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment.? Once I locate a >> suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on >> the factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, >> and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong.? Bear in mind >> we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in >> 1997, so they have some miles on them.? I do all the necessary >> refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great independent >> CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me.? Then I do all the >> programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed >> "cookbook" setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor >> guys for daily operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main >> point was that these CNC machines are Japanese, and ~25 years >> later, they will still happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, >> and still hold tolerances in the?+/-0.0001" range.? I like older >> Japanese stuff.? Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two vintage >> bikes:? my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha >> DT-175. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost > > wrote: >> >> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve >> lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been >> awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common >> culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were >> definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out >> to affect starting to a degree its been happening.? So I >> started looking for other explanations.? I seem to have spark >> and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think >> it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test:? For a >> 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 >> both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took >> 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or? >> five compression strokes you need to get a max reading.? >> Hmmm.? ?That?s suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off >> so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I >> took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the >> engine.? The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every >> 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once.? Clearly the >> starter clutch was slipping.? ?This would explain why I had >> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the >> engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a >> pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable >> where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to >> be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like >> flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately >> needs. They should be coming in a few days.? My guess when I >> get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. >> >> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth? >> before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run >> it. :-) >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 2 19:57:58 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 22:57:58 -0400 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B4F7664-5FAB-424D-A474-8FB6063FB749@rdfarms.com> Hey folks, Just a reminder that the list only allows messages under 2MB. Carl, the messages you sent were a tad over 5MB and that is why they were held for moderation. In this era of smart phones with picture resolutions that are HUGE, folks need to resize their pics before they send them. Fortunately most email clients will do that on the fly for you but I realize that not all clients do. There have been discussions on the list in the past as to some good utilities for resizing pics before you send so I?ll refrain from discussing them here. I could remove the limit entirely, but with today?s cameras folks would be sending massive messages and I think many of us would start having storage problems at our ISP. So I don?t think that is an answer. Hope this helps, Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?I think the mailing list strips off all attachments. You can try sending the picture directly to those of us that have replied to this thread (or put it on a picture site somewhere). > > The standard pan seat is held by a mount that is on the same side of the battery as the tool box. I'm still unsure what you have. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:28 PM > To: Antique Group > Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures > > Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. > > They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. > > I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. > > The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 2 20:02:13 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 23:02:13 -0400 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> References: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> Message-ID: I?ll let that one 5MB message they so we can help with this identification. Expect it shortly.... Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?Sounds like you have the deluxe seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seat bracket to the left of the battery. That voids my earlier tool box comment as the tool boxes are different. What year Cub is it? > > The only things I can think of that would be that thin are the clips that hold the wiring harness. Most of them are nowhere near 1 1/2 inches wide. I think we need that picture. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:21 AM > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. > > Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. > > I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. > > What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. > > I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: deanvp at att.net > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? > > http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 > > > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM > To: Antique Group > Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. > > The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. > > I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. > > Anybody have any idea what they?re for? > > Carl > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 12:44:13 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Hope this one works. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Pictures ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 15C32B94-A5C8-4923-8340-9989BE5B3761.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1301383 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: F29CF1C7-9797-4F81-8B95-E1DE8D059C4C.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1200129 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group < at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Pictures ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski < szabelski.c.s at gmail.com> To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 03:38:00 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 06:38:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John - Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. The job you mention is 6 diameters - that's a lot! I hope at least it's steel. I only deal with this issue when making back cuts on the sub. We cut a lot of aluminum. I have to keep it down to 3 diameters, and I still have to deal with taper. We deal with a couple local general job-shops, and among the rows of verticals and conventional lathes, they each have at least one Swiss over in the corner. As you know, there's always those special jobs a Swiss machine can hit out of the park. But they're kind of their own special beast too, a little different mind-set. And in our case, with the older machines, there's no Mastercam or conversational programming involved, just straight G-code not to mention wait-codes to coordinate the sub. Programming can get tricky; fortunately I enjoy it. I make a game out of avoiding crashes when developing a new job (and I'd score myself around an A-minus) SO On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:13 PM John Hall wrote: > About .0002' is as close as I care to hold. We often make offsets of > .0002-3. Want some fun, try turning something 1/4" in dia sticking about 1 > 1/2" out of the chuck---a 10" 3 jaw that is. Slow on work so we pulled back > in a job we had subbed to a screw machine shop. Yeah, those Swiss machines > will kick my butt all day on the tiny stuff. > > John Hall > > > On 4/2/2020 6:03 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the 1990's. > They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one machine used to have a > single-stick tube that I retrofitted with an Ebay bar feeder) and we run > them unattended after-hours, aka "lights-out". Despite having worked in > unknown other shops and beat who-knows how hard, they all can still hold > tenths, and the Tsugami has encoders that go out to .00001" - not that we > could ever work to that level of precision; between thermal issues and the > ability to make measurements down there, that's way beyond what we need or > could possibly do. We're slowing down but we're still plodding forward, > customers are still ordering, some. We're keeping the people employed and > building inventory where it makes sense. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall wrote: > >> My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 years--and it >> was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial drill, long bed TOS, 3 >> grinders and some small stuff from an acquaintance that was retiring). All >> 3 of our CNC lathes are Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them >> hard like a lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that >> couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention >> from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ >> >> John Hall >> >> >> On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built >> more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and >> last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for >> motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: >> https://www.motionpro.com >> >> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is >> manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and >> we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment >> and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own >> internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from >> others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected >> savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a >> suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the >> factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, >> then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say >> $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles >> on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know >> a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do >> all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" >> setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily >> operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC >> machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run >> 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" >> range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two >> vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha >> DT-175. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >>> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >>> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >>> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >>> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >>> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >>> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >>> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >>> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >>> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >>> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >>> suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >>> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >>> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >>> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >>> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >>> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >>> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >>> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >>> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >>> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >>> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >>> springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >>> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Fri Apr 3 05:01:19 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 07:01:19 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... Mark J Columbia, MO On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Hi John - > > Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job that we > hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter.? Don't need all that > precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys setup sheets > with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > dead-on quite easily.? Keeps me from having to even think about > tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 05:50:22 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 08:50:22 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark: YouTube is (of course) awash with CNC Swiss videos. First several that come up in a search aren't all that great, because they tend to narrow-focus on the actual cutting area. Whereas if you don't have a decent handle on the big picture going in, this becomes a jumbled collection of cutting tools coming in from seemingly oddball angles and making chips fly. The link I'm providing is pretty good at providing an overview. In the first couple minutes he gets into the weeds a bit with a tiny 4mm machine, but around 3:15 he turns attention to a 20mm machine which is pretty typical of the breed. As a trivial side-note, this video features Citizen machines, and yes it's the same company that makes watches. We have 3 Star machines, and yes it's Star Micronics, the printer company. https://youtu.be/1lNXDNwAlZc I've tried to video our machines in action, but it's futile because of the coolant splashing everywhere. Most videos trying to demo Swiss will cut brass so they can kill the coolant for this exact reason. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 8:01 AM Mark Johnson wrote: > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > Mark J > > Columbia, MO > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi John - > > > > Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > > hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > > .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > > slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > > precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > > with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > > dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about > > tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 3 06:22:50 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 09:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: References: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <1062263120.21357653.1585920170884.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Thanks Spencer, I didn?t think to check the size of the files before posting. If I had, I would have sent them one at a time or tried to get pictures that weren't so large. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Spencer Yost To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 23:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question I?ll let that one 5MB message they so we can help with this identification. Expect it shortly.... Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?Sounds like you have the deluxe seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seat bracket to the left of the battery. That voids my earlier tool box comment as the tool boxes are different. What year Cub is it? > > The only things I can think of that would be that thin are the clips that hold the wiring harness. Most of them are nowhere near 1 1/2 inches wide. I think we need that picture. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:21 AM > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. > > Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. > > I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. > > What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. > > I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: deanvp at att.net > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? > > http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 > > > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM > To: Antique Group > Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. > > The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. > > I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. > > Anybody have any idea what they?re for? > > Carl > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 06:46:37 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 08:46:37 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, here in OK there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job was wire forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a jig to bend the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it above the stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot welder and had traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs offshore.? So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? 2ea Kearney Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with the newer Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table.? Now they just sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then I was going to build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank grinder set up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building it was stored under. Cecil On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > Mark J > > Columbia, MO > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi John - >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job that we >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys setup sheets >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 07:27:26 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 10:27:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited for plasma. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings > to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the > stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical > school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to > keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on > crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills > one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set > up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building > it was stored under. > Cecil > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > Mark J > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Hi John - > >> > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about > >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 08:46:01 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 11:46:01 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that > list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & > fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge > HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, > and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C > collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, > the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, > indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, > etc etc. > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, > it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that > involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with > a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet > material most suited for plasma. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about >> >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 09:01:31 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 11:01:31 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading.? It was one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to try to get working.?? I also have a 40 ton horn press.? in addition to the 40 ton ironworker.? and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine.? There is a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines....? There are not very many young folks that know how to operate these old machines.? Just not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either..? Both old guys that were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was > about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of > the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the > bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part being made, which > is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe.? Then I fire it up > to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, > then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due > to the coolant splash.? Then it does the bar change, consisting of > pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to > make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and > feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff > on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making little > tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one > (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head > Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw.? The magic > is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck > for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various > precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, indexing > heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, > etc etc. > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? > Unfortunately, it's a pass.? Sorry.? We have this one job we're > developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're > already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite well.? > We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited for plasma. > > SO > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, > here in OK > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job > was wire > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a jig > to bend > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I > had to roll > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld > the rings > to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it > above the > stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot > welder and had > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a > technical > school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency > drive to > keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my > talents on > crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs > offshore. > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a > 9x40 lathe, > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea > Kearney > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model > Cincinnati > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of > knee mills > one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with > the newer > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now > they just > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then I was > going to > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank > grinder set > up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the > building > it was stored under. > Cecil > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. > I've been a > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely > fascinating - > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > Mark J > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Hi John - > >> > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job > that we > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be > more like > >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and > also long > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need > all that > >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys > setup sheets > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit > the numbers > >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 09:43:17 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:43:17 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: You "forgot" a 48 x 120? ;-) I guess you must not be walking past it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however. CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand! Used machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and cutting you a check for the whole lot. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the 24in > shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside that > was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates American > Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading. It was one the > Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships. I have another > 36in that I need to try to get working. I also have a 40 ton horn press. > in addition to the 40 ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, > and somewhere around here is an old screw machine. There is a couple of > multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines.... There are not > very many young folks that know how to operate these old machines. Just > not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either.. Both old guys that > were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about > to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole > thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder > sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of > our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last > possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part > being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. > Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the > end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a > new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue > automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that >> list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >> etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, >> it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that >> involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with >> a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> wrote: >> >>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >>> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >>> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >>> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >>> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >>> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >>> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >>> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >>> it was stored under. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>> > >>> > Mark J >>> > >>> > Columbia, MO >>> > >>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >> Hi John - >>> >> >>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >>> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >>> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >>> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 3 13:11:07 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 16:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <922009092.21705714.1585944667814.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Cecil, Sounds like you should have an auction and recoup some of your investments. You don?t have to have it on your property, you can do it online, so there?s no crowd milling around all day tearing up your lawn or helping themselves to small stuff. Here?s a site that I keep an eye on and have purchased tools from by bidding online: https://www.estatesales.net/ Just enter you zip code and you can get an idea of estate and online sales in your area. They handle a lot of estate sales, but I?ve seen plenty of shops sell their machinery through online bidding. They take a piece of the profits, but it saves you from having to organize things, price things, and handle all the bidding. There are also auction sites that will do the same online and I?m sure there?s a few in your area. The only draw back is that once you sell something, you?ll find a major need for it. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Offiler To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates You "forgot" a 48 x 120? ;-) I guess you must not be walking past it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however. CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand! Used machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and cutting you a check for the whole lot. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the 24in > shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside that > was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates American > Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading. It was one the > Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships. I have another > 36in that I need to try to get working. I also have a 40 ton horn press. > in addition to the 40 ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, > and somewhere around here is an old screw machine. There is a couple of > multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines.... There are not > very many young folks that know how to operate these old machines. Just > not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either.. Both old guys that > were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about > to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole > thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder > sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of > our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last > possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part > being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. > Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the > end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a > new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue > automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that >> list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >> etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, >> it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that >> involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with >> a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> wrote: >> >>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >>> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >>> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >>> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >>> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >>> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >>> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >>> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >>> it was stored under. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>> > >>> > Mark J >>> > >>> > Columbia, MO >>> > >>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >> Hi John - >>> >> >>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >>> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >>> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >>> >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about >>> >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From dejoodster at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:44:34 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 15:44:34 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 3 15:21:07 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 18:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From jtchall at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 3 17:34:11 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:34:11 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43e63a2a-42a9-93be-cd43-1a541b7c1b12@nc.rr.com> We have been fortunate over the years to have a shop about an hour away that is nothing but screw machines. He will make 1 or 100,000. Only ones I have seen in operation were at a tool show. We try to specialize in low volume production work and manuals--we have a lot of manual equipment, but are down to only 3 guys that run it daily, all are over 55. The "great ones" are quickly becoming a thing of the past. We are bridging the gap with prototrak style machines. Those things can knock out some 1-2 pc orders quickly. Everything in the grind shop is all manual, and pretty new. John Hall On 4/3/2020 6:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Hi John - > > Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job that we > hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter.? Don't need all that > precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys setup sheets > with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > dead-on quite easily.? Keeps me from having to even think about > tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > > The job you mention is 6 diameters - that's a lot!? I hope at least > it's steel.? I only deal with this issue when making back cuts on the > sub.? We cut a lot of aluminum.? I have to keep it down to 3 > diameters, and I still have to deal with taper. > > We deal with a couple local general job-shops, and among the rows of > verticals and conventional lathes, they each have at least one Swiss > over in the corner.? As you know, there's always those special jobs a > Swiss machine can hit out of the park.? But they're kind of their own > special beast too, a little different mind-set.? And in our case, with > the older machines, there's no Mastercam or conversational programming > involved, just straight G-code not to mention wait-codes to coordinate > the sub.? Programming can get tricky; fortunately I enjoy it.? I make > a game out of avoiding crashes when developing a new job (and I'd > score myself around an A-minus) > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:13 PM John Hall > wrote: > > About .0002' is as close as I care to hold. We often make offsets > of .0002-3. Want some fun, try turning something 1/4" in dia > sticking about 1 1/2" out of the chuck---a 10" 3 jaw that is. Slow > on work so we pulled back in a job we had subbed to a screw > machine shop. Yeah, those Swiss machines will kick my butt all day > on the tiny stuff. > > John Hall > > > On 4/2/2020 6:03 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the >> 1990's.? They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one >> machine used to have a single-stick tube that I retrofitted with >> an Ebay bar feeder) and we run them unattended after-hours,?aka >> "lights-out".? Despite having worked in unknown other shops and >> beat who-knows how hard, they all can still hold tenths, and the >> Tsugami has encoders that go out to .00001" - not that we could >> ever work to that level of precision; between thermal issues and >> the ability to make?measurements down there, that's way beyond >> what we need or could possibly do.? We're slowing down but we're >> still plodding forward, customers are still ordering, some.? >> We're keeping the people employed and building inventory where it >> makes sense. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall > > wrote: >> >> My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 >> years--and it was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial >> drill, long bed TOS, 3 grinders and some small stuff from an >> acquaintance that was retiring). All 3 of our CNC lathes are >> Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them hard like a >> lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that >> couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need >> some attention from the dealer. Of course as slow as things >> are now........ >> >> John Hall >> >> >> On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer.? ?Japanese >>> bikes are built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go >>> figure)... they just last and last.? I see you're tooling >>> up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for >>> motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: >>> https://www.motionpro.com >>> >>> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things >>> I do is manage and grow our CNC capabilities.? We are small, >>> funds are tight, and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just >>> finance?a sweet new piece of equipment and pay for it by >>> selling parts to others.? We build parts for our own >>> internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently >>> purchase from others, figure out what we can save doing it >>> inhouse, and use the projected savings to fund the >>> acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a suitable >>> machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the >>> factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, >>> and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong.? Bear in >>> mind we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K >>> new in 1997, so they have some miles on them.? I do all the >>> necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great >>> independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me.? >>> Then I do all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally >>> write detailed "cookbook" setup instructions so I can >>> hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily operation.? Sorry, >>> I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC >>> machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still >>> happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold >>> tolerances in the?+/-0.0001" range.? I like older Japanese >>> stuff.? Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two vintage bikes: >>> my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha DT-175. >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost >>> > wrote: >>> >>> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a >>> valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is >>> been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a >>> common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >>> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they >>> were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its >>> been happening.? So I started looking for other >>> explanations.? I seem to have spark and had the smell >>> the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel >>> or spark. I then did a compression test:? For a >>> 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. >>> 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that >>> it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get >>> the four or? five compression strokes you need to get a >>> max reading.? Hmmm.? ?That?s suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was >>> off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve >>> adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter >>> was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >>> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and >>> turn over once.? Clearly the starter clutch was >>> slipping.? ?This would explain why I had better luck >>> roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine >>> is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty >>> big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable >>> where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix >>> it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay >>> like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike >>> desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days.? >>> My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >>> springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running >>> smooth? before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I >>> can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtchall at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 3 17:38:22 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:38:22 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <91bb39f6-5a6d-bd25-e6b9-59a6252935a4@nc.rr.com> Believe it or not, there are some guys that like to collect older machine shop equipment. Shapers seem to gather a lot of attention on Facebook. Those and belt drive equipment were signs of a shop to run away from when I started this trade. Those big lathes are either a curse or a blessing. Our TOS will go around 30" with the gap out. There have been times we could have used bigger. Normally it collects dust, firing up 2-3 times a year. It pulled about a 3 week stint last summer. John Hall On 4/3/2020 12:01 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the > 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting > outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers.? I have a > 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while > loading.? It was one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking > for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to try to get working.?? I > also have a 40 ton horn press.? in addition to the 40 ton ironworker.? > and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, and somewhere around here is an > old screw machine.? There is a couple of multiple spindle drills and > all manner of old machines....? There are not very many young folks > that know how to operate these old machines.? Just not a lot of demand > for one-off repair work either..? Both old guys that were my teachers > in my machine work are now gone.. > > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of >> the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the >> bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part being made, which >> is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe.? Then I fire it >> up to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively >> consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard >> to see due to the coolant splash.? Then it does the bar change, >> consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's >> now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, >> engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue automatic >> operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > > wrote: >> >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff >> on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making little >> tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one >> (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head >> Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw.? The magic >> is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck >> for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various >> precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, >> wheels, etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? >> Unfortunately, it's a pass.? Sorry.? We have this one job we're >> developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but >> we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite >> well.? We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited >> for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, >> here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making >> some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job >> was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a jig >> to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I >> had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld >> the rings >> to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it >> above the >> stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot >> welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a >> technical >> school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency >> drive to >> keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my >> talents on >> crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs >> offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a >> 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? 2ea >> Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model >> Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of >> knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with >> the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table.? >> Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then I >> was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank >> grinder set >> up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out >> the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. >> I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely >> fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job >> that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be >> more like >> >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and >> also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need >> all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys >> setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit >> the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 18:15:04 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <8668c0bf-40da-99c8-142f-52c509d1cdd8@copper.net> Well, I had to set it outside,? I know that sounds bad, but the old stuff can set outside if coated with used oil and then power wash it a little steel wool and it is in good condition.? Old machine tool stuff does not pit if ti is by itself.? I save used oil from the tractors & trucks and use it to oil machinery that has to sit out.? These old pieces are flat belt driven machines converted to individual electric drives.? I have converted some to VFD and made some really nice machines.? I need to get a 28 Plymouth sedan project in a container so I can move some machinery inside..? My 12 ton forklift needed an engine transplant and the help I had to do it went to the offshore oil patch and I ended up doing everything by myself..? My old forklift is a tricycle type Gerlinger that was used on an aircraft carrier.? It had a V-8 Mercury Industrial with a 4 spd trans and reverser.? It drove a truck axle that had a giant roller chain sprocket that drove a 30 in sprocket that was connected to the rear 20in truck duals.? the old Mercury was so low on compression it would not fire on ether, so I found a 6cyl ford and 2spd fwd & rev trans out of a pneumatic roller.? Removal of the Mercury involved 3 hours with a cutting torch.? Going back needs a crank pulley machined to attach a 4 groove A section belt pulley to drive the main hydraulic pump.? The cylinder is a 14in x 12ft long ram.?? It takes a lot of oil to move it.? One of these days I will get it running.? If the rainy season quits here I may get some things done..? This morning it was 30mph gusting to 40 with freezing drizzle..? Yesterday was shirtsleeve weather.... Cecil On 4/3/2020 11:43 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > You "forgot" a 48 x 120?? ;-)? ? I guess you must not be walking past > it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there > Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about > the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however.? > CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on > machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand!? Used > machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and > cutting you a check for the whole lot. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, > the 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one > sitting outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers.? > I have a 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator > dropped while loading. It was one the Navy owned during WWII that > sawed the decking for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to > try to get working.?? I also have a 40 ton horn press.? in > addition to the 40 ton ironworker.? and a Warner swasey #2 turret > lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine.? There > is a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old > machines....? There are not very many young folks that know how to > operate these old machines. Just not a lot of demand for one-off > repair work either.. Both old guys that were my teachers in my > machine work are now gone.. > > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's >> was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a >> video of the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the >> CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part >> being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist >> scribe.? Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before >> the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, >> although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash.? >> Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the >> "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make >> another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and >> feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler >> > wrote: >> >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list!? Some big heavy >> stuff on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making >> little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has >> just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, >> a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll >> bandsaw.? The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets >> for the mill, the various precision vises and other >> workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole >> compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? >> Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry.? We have this one job >> we're developing now that involves making rather precise >> cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's >> working quite well.? We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? >> However, here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were >> making some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest >> job was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a >> jig to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. >> Then I had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot >> weld the rings >> to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it >> above the >> stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot >> welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor >> from a technical >> school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable >> frequency drive to >> keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about >> 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my >> talents on >> crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send >> jobs offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, >> a 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? >> 2ea Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model >> Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple >> of knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job >> with the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding >> table.? Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then >> I was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, >> head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the >> crank grinder set >> up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took >> out the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from >> me. I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining >> absolutely fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have >> 1 job that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it >> would be more like >> >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff >> and also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't >> need all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the >> guys setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can >> hit the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 18:26:05 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:26:05 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <91bb39f6-5a6d-bd25-e6b9-59a6252935a4@nc.rr.com> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <91bb39f6-5a6d-bd25-e6b9-59a6252935a4@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3fa1c618-7dfe-2f12-4829-db8f5d8dcecd@copper.net> The last time that big lathe was used was to bore some big oilfield engines.? They centered the block on the 4 jaw chuck and bored it!!?? It came from an old oilfield machine shop in OKC. The Berco crank grinder also came from the oil patch.? It will grind? about an 8ft long crank..? Right now, I need to shove a lot of junk out of the buildings and get something working.. ? I have so many projects that got stopped either due to lack of parts, money, or time. On 4/3/2020 7:38 PM, John Hall wrote: > Believe it or not, there are some guys that like to collect older > machine shop equipment. Shapers seem to gather a lot of attention on > Facebook. Those and belt drive equipment were signs of a shop to run > away from when I started this trade. > > Those big lathes are either a curse or a blessing. Our TOS will go > around 30" with the gap out. There have been times we could have used > bigger. Normally it collects dust, firing up 2-3 times a year. It > pulled about a 3 week stint last summer. > > John Hall > > On 4/3/2020 12:01 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >> After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the >> 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting >> outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers.? I have a >> 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while >> loading.? It was one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the >> decking for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to try to get >> working.?? I also have a 40 ton horn press.? in addition to the 40 >> ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, and somewhere >> around here is an old screw machine.? There is a couple of multiple >> spindle drills and all manner of old machines....? There are not very >> many young folks that know how to operate these old machines.? Just >> not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either..? Both old guys >> that were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. >> >> On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >>> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of >>> the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the >>> bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part being made, >>> which is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe.? Then I >>> fire it up to make the last possible part before the bar is >>> effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is >>> kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash.? Then it does the bar >>> change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar >>> that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' >>> bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue >>> automatic operation. >>> >>> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >>> >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler >> > wrote: >>> >>> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list!? Some big heavy >>> stuff on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making >>> little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has >>> just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a >>> 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw. >>> The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the >>> 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the >>> various precision vises and other workholding for mill & >>> grinder, indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, >>> drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. >>> >>> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? >>> Unfortunately, it's a pass.? Sorry.? We have this one job we're >>> developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but >>> we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working >>> quite well.? We just do basically zero with sheet material most >>> suited for plasma. >>> >>> SO >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, >>> here in OK >>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making >>> some >>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job >>> was wire >>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a >>> jig to bend >>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I >>> had to roll >>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot >>> weld the rings >>> to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it >>> above the >>> stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot >>> welder and had >>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a >>> technical >>> school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency >>> drive to >>> keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my >>> talents on >>> crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs >>> offshore. >>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a >>> 9x40 lathe, >>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? >>> 2ea Kearney >>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model >>> Cincinnati >>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of >>> knee mills >>> one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with >>> the newer >>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table.? >>> Now they just >>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I >>> was going to >>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>> equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank >>> grinder set >>> up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out >>> the building >>> it was stored under. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. >>> I've been a >>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely >>> fascinating - >>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>> > >>> > Mark J >>> > >>> > Columbia, MO >>> > >>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >> Hi John - >>> >> >>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 >>> job that we >>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would >>> be more like >>> >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and >>> also long >>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need >>> all that >>> >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys >>> setup sheets >>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit >>> the numbers >>> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 19:11:44 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 21:11:44 -0500 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <6DC89CF77AEB48E3A1BE1F1838A20F51@JimDesktop> What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:44 PM To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hope this one works. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Pictures -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: batteryBox.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 492317 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 20:15:51 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 22:15:51 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Apr 3 22:08:20 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 01:08:20 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> Stephen Offiler wrote: > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was > about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the > whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar > feeder sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the > handle of our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make > the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we > see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the > coolant splash. Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back > the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make another > part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the > machine to continue automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO So you made my scribes... I was touching up the tip of one the other day, and sneezed. If you ever wondered just how far a sharp scribe will penetrate a bare hand, I have first hand knowledge.... -- Steve W. From soffiler at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:13:45 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 07:13:45 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <8668c0bf-40da-99c8-142f-52c509d1cdd8@copper.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <8668c0bf-40da-99c8-142f-52c509d1cdd8@copper.net> Message-ID: Well, Cecil, that answered a question I was about to pose. I was going to comment that you've got a LOT of heavy iron in those machine tools, so how do you move them around? Answer, Gerlinger 12-ton. And John Hall mentioned there are guys who collect old machine tools, which made me think... modern farmers probably say the same thing: "Imagine, there are guys around that collect those old farm tractors!" There's a channel I follow on YouTube called "abom79". He's one of those shaper guys: https://youtu.be/Yc3n6DTeMNQ SO On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 6:44 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > Well, I had to set it outside, I know that sounds bad, but the old stuff > can set outside if coated with used oil and then power wash it a little > steel wool and it is in good condition. Old machine tool stuff does not > pit if ti is by itself. I save used oil from the tractors & trucks and use > it to oil machinery that has to sit out. These old pieces are flat belt > driven machines converted to individual electric drives. I have converted > some to VFD and made some really nice machines. I need to get a 28 > Plymouth sedan project in a container so I can move some machinery > inside.. My 12 ton forklift needed an engine transplant and the help I had > to do it went to the offshore oil patch and I ended up doing everything by > myself.. My old forklift is a tricycle type Gerlinger that was used on an > aircraft carrier. It had a V-8 Mercury Industrial with a 4 spd trans and > reverser. It drove a truck axle that had a giant roller chain sprocket > that drove a 30 in sprocket that was connected to the rear 20in truck > duals. the old Mercury was so low on compression it would not fire on > ether, so I found a 6cyl ford and 2spd fwd & rev trans out of a pneumatic > roller. Removal of the Mercury involved 3 hours with a cutting torch. > Going back needs a crank pulley machined to attach a 4 groove A section > belt pulley to drive the main hydraulic pump. The cylinder is a 14in x > 12ft long ram. It takes a lot of oil to move it. One of these days I > will get it running. If the rainy season quits here I may get some things > done.. This morning it was 30mph gusting to 40 with freezing drizzle.. > Yesterday was shirtsleeve weather.... > Cecil > On 4/3/2020 11:43 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > You "forgot" a 48 x 120? ;-) I guess you must not be walking past it > very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there Cecil and > you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about the big, old, > manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however. CNC is great when > you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on machinery that large will > not be in high-volume demand! Used machinery dealers would probably enjoy > taking a tour of your place and cutting you a check for the whole lot. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > >> After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the >> 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside >> that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates >> American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading. It was >> one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships. I have >> another 36in that I need to try to get working. I also have a 40 ton horn >> press. in addition to the 40 ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 >> turret lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine. There is >> a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines.... >> There are not very many young folks that know how to operate these old >> machines. Just not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either.. Both >> old guys that were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. >> On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the >> whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder >> sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of >> our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last >> possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part >> being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. >> Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the >> end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a >> new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue >> automatic operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on >>> that list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >>> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >>> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >>> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >>> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >>> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >>> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >>> etc etc. >>> >>> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. >>> Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing >>> now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that >>> road with a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero >>> with sheet material most suited for plasma. >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >>>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >>>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >>>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >>>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to >>>> roll >>>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >>>> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >>>> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >>>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >>>> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >>>> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >>>> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >>>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >>>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >>>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >>>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >>>> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >>>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they >>>> just >>>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >>>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>>> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >>>> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >>>> it was stored under. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >>>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating >>>> - >>>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>>> > >>>> > Mark J >>>> > >>>> > Columbia, MO >>>> > >>>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> >> Hi John - >>>> >> >>>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >>>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >>>> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >>>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >>>> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >>>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >>>> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:23:03 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 07:23:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> Message-ID: Steve: Scribes - yes, quite possible we made yours. We do about 100,000 a year. Makes me wonder sometimes where they all go! The majority go out as either Blue-Point (black anodized, laser mark logo) or Moody (blue ano, no mark) and some go out bare aluminum under different brands like King or Nasco. The majority have pressed-in picks; whereas, the one I showed in the video has threaded, replaceable picks. If anybody cared to watch the video you might have noticed the drilling and tapping on both ends. It roughly doubles the cycle time vs the pressed-in design. The almost-finished part sits and waits and waits for the back-drill and back-tap. BTW the pressed design gets a little green Loctite as insurance policy. Watch those puncture wounds; they infect easily. Now is not a good time for a visit to the ER! SO On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:08 AM Steve W. wrote: So you made my scribes... I was touching up the tip of one the other > day, and sneezed. If you ever wondered just how far a sharp scribe will > penetrate a bare hand, I have first hand knowledge.... > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 05:25:46 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 08:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Steve, Great video! Do you have any mist collection or is it not enough to warrant a system? In 2008 I worked in a large Swiss Screw house. There was a oil haze everyday about 6 ' above the ground in the winter months. I would come home smelling like cutting oil. Those were the days. Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com mailto:soffiler at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. > > > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited for plasma. > > > > SO > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK > > > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > > > decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire > > > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend > > > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll > > > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings > > > to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the > > > stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had > > > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical > > > school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to > > > keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. > > > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on > > > crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. > > > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, > > > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney > > > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati > > > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills > > > one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer > > > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just > > > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to > > > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > > > equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set > > > up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building > > > it was stored under. > > > Cecil > > > > > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > > > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > > > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > > > > > Mark J > > > > > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > > >> Hi John - > > > >> > > > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > > > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > > > >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > > > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > > > >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > > > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > > > >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 06:41:25 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 07:33:16 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:33:16 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 10:18:38 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From ken.knierim at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 10:29:41 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 10:29:41 -0700 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Steve: thanks for all the video and manufacturing information. I'd seen shapers sitting around and knew generally how they worked (from a retired machinist/engineer/shop wizard neighbor) but this is the first time I've seen one in action. My son and I watched the machine work The new neighbor has 4 Haas and a Brother for CNC equipment now; any of them are impressive to watch but the Brother is a step up (to me anyway). Fast and efficient. Of course, the neighbor is pretty fastidious and cares for his equipment well too. Jim: the neighbor fought with the coolant mist in his shop; it was wrecking the AC filters and getting into everything until he got a HEPA filtered system for abating the mess. Didn't take long before he had them on all the machines. Afterward the filters in the AC system would actually last a decent amount of time (rather than daily replacements). It might not apply to what you were doing (since the CNC's are fairly well enclosed) but I know it bothered him until he found and installed the filtration systems. very informative. Thanks! Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > Steve, > > Great video! Do you have any mist collection or is it not enough to > warrant a system? In 2008 I worked in a large Swiss Screw house. There was > a oil haze everyday about 6 ' above the ground in the winter months. I > would come home smelling like cutting oil. Those were the days. > > Jim Thomson > Rehoboth, MA > > On April 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about > to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole > thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder > sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of > our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last > possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part > being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. > Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the > end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a > new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue > automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that > list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & > fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge > HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, > and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C > collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, > the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, > indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, > etc etc. > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, > it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that > involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with > a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet > material most suited for plasma. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net> > wrote: > > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings > to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the > stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical > school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to > keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on > crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills > one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set > up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building > it was stored under. > Cecil > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > Mark J > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Hi John - > >> > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 10:48:22 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> I have to make a correction to the previous post, I misread not only my notes that I jotted done from the on line parts list, but I read the parts list wrong to boot. The earlier version of the battery box should have been 538609R2, and the later version should have been 538609RGV. The 538609R2 is not available any more, the 538609RGV is available. Sorry for any confusion. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 12:10:26 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:10:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise Message-ID: Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. Does anyone know of any Reputable dealers for used engines? I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA Thanks guys, Dave Maynard The Maple Hill Farm Marion, NY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:36:13 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:36:13 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <5C5A5B424D1E42FEAA91B377CFD4489D@JimDesktop> I don't think the box ever changed from 1947 thrugh 1979. "GV" tacked on the end of a CaseIH part number indicates it is part of the "Gold Value" line. It may be an alternative to a more expensive original part or may be all that is available. That line is "Case IH's competitive answer to repairing your heritage tractor." Which I think may translate to something like -- We saw how much was being sold by Valu-Bilt for these old tractors and decided to get into that business. Part 351336R12 is one of the box lids, which is not relevant to the current discussion. The last hard copy parts catalog was issued 8/79. It was scanned for the on-line catalog. The on-line catalog has some part list updates. I also have access to catalogs from 1970 and 1975. 351330R11 was the original box, a number not listed in the online. It is the only number listed through the 1970 catalog but is not in the 1975 catalog. So any Cub from 1947 through at least 1970 used that box. 538609R1 is the only version listed in the 1975 catalog. So that change was between '70 and '75. There is no obvious difference between this and 351330R11. The catalog says "Box w/product graphic" whereas the old one said "Box". The new part number may have only indicated that the part came with a warning sticker. There were some electrical changes made in 1972, adding a key start and a clutch interlock. But this didn't require changes to the box. 538609R2 is listed in the 1979 catalog. The incremented revision number indicates some (probably minor) change from 1975. I suspect a change to the safety sicker. 538609R2GV is listed on-line. It is a Gold Value substitute part and the only thing currently available from CaseIH. If you want to see some good pictures of a battery box, look here: http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gel/battbox_001.htm Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:48 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I have to make a correction to the previous post, I misread not only my notes that I jotted done from the on line parts list, but I read the parts list wrong to boot. The earlier version of the battery box should have been 538609R2, and the later version should have been 538609RGV. The 538609R2 is not available any more, the 538609RGV is available. Sorry for any confusion. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 4 12:52:18 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:52:18 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803e4f8e-e9ac-ec2e-d1c4-dc112e105346@gmx.com> Do you have a stethoscope you can you use to pinpoint the noise? Mike M On 4/4/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. > Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it > makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter > adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart > several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no > broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this > engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the > injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but > to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder > which seems to be not as common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any > and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > Thanks guys, > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tubetester at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:52:51 2020 From: tubetester at gmail.com (Moe Fretz) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:52:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: typical noisy Kubota diesel. Possibly injection pump timing. $-------& Moe Fretz L'Orignal Ontario, Canada On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 > horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise > that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns > out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find > anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, > pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by > running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups > with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is > still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as > common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and > all suggestions and comments welcome. > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > Thanks guys, > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 13:43:10 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:43:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. Still stumped. Dave Maynard On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >> pistons all good. >> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >> still there. 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URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 4 14:23:02 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 17:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD Distributor vs. Magneto - NOW: Let the Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1854019142.83913912.1586035382361.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> OK, we're due for a report on the JD A. Small progress: -I have the fuel sediment bowl and line back in place. I am not happy about the reducer fitting into the sediment bowl casting, but I will try it out. If it leaks, I will use the unit I have for the B and adapt using a different set up. Outcome remains to be seen. -We cleaned up the points and the contacts on the cap and rotor. Points and plugs cleaned and gapped. One end of one of the plug wires is loose--seems like you can't avoid that on these one-size-fits-all wire sets. -Verified no water in the crankcase. Can't get the plug out of the bottom of the transmission yet. It is too rounded off for the right sized 8-pt socket. -Coolant in the system. Capacity is 8 1/2 gals.; it took only 5, so there must have been some in the system already. couldn't see any up top, but it wouldn't take any more. -Repro Battery ground cable purchased and bolted in. -Drawbar moved out to the position I am used to. LACK or progress: -Dean will say "I told ya so," but I had some time and had to try something. Brake adjuster still stuck solid. Spent 30 mins hitting is with heat but only MAPP and Propane--my acetylene bottle is apparently empty. Need to find a place to fill it. Used penetrant and candle wax and hammer and impact. No movement yet. I need to get a plastic tub big enough for the electrolysis and/or vinegar. So the right brake assembly is still stuck. I have saved all the suggested methods for unstucking it and am working through them are opportunity permits. I am just about ready to try to fire the old boy. I need to get some gas. If the battery doesn't crank it, I'll pull the one out of my pickup (and replace it). I can run jumper cables to try it. Too wretched cold and wet to do any more today. My left shoulder is killing me, and I am cold all over, so we gave up for today. I remain confident in getting the tractor running--the carb is the big question mark (plugs looked real sooty, but that at least indicates running). The right brake shaft is holding me back--pun intended. The MO Gov issued a stay-at-home order yesterday to go into effect Monday. I hope somebody is still filling acetylene somewhere. I still have to work--both in the office and at home. The "original" Steve Allen From dejoodster at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:53:12 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:53:12 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump shop check it. Jason On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of > the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long > socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good > with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it > change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no > wear and looked good. > > Still stumped. > Dave Maynard > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: > >> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >> Possibly injection pump timing. >> >> >> $-------& >> Moe Fretz >> >> L'Orignal >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >>> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >>> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >>> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >>> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >>> pistons all good. >>> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >>> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >>> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >>> still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as >>> common as most. >>> Does anyone know of any >>> Reputable dealers for used engines? >>> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. 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URL: From ken.knierim at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 15:24:48 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:24:48 -0700 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason wrote: > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump > shop check it. > > Jason > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of >> the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long >> socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. >> The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good >> with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it >> change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no >> wear and looked good. >> >> Still stumped. >> Dave Maynard >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: >> >>> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >>> Possibly injection pump timing. >>> >>> >>> $-------& >>> Moe Fretz >>> >>> L'Orignal >>> Ontario, Canada >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >>>> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >>>> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >>>> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >>>> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >>>> pistons all good. >>>> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >>>> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >>>> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >>>> still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as >>>> common as most. >>>> Does anyone know of any >>>> Reputable dealers for used engines? >>>> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any >>>> and all suggestions and comments welcome. >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, >>>> Dave Maynard >>>> The Maple Hill Farm >>>> Marion, NY >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sat Apr 4 16:19:55 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:19:55 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> How many hours?? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded very similar and they ran forever... Cecil On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or > crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow > it down, like pulling a plug wire? > > Ken in AZ > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason > wrote: > > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have > the pump shop check it. > > Jason > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > ? ? ?I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like > the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer > neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks > it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > ? ? ?The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say > all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or > what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? > All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. > > Still stumped. > Dave Maynard > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz > wrote: > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor > this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall > and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller > said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but > it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart > several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings > are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, > pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to > destroy this engine by running it too much. Just > yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with > new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no > avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 > cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you can > hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments > welcome. > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > Thanks guys, > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 16:35:03 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <5C5A5B424D1E42FEAA91B377CFD4489D@JimDesktop> References: <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <5C5A5B424D1E42FEAA91B377CFD4489D@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <428113440.22719651.1586043303627.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Jim, I will agree that 538609R2 is the correct part number for the box. I went the the Case dealer?s web site and figured out that when they said it was no longer available, they meant they didn?t have any original 538609R2 boxes in stock. When they said that the 538609RGV was available, they meant that that?s the one they sell. As I indicated before, I misread my scribbled notes and typed in the 351336R12 part number for the battery cover in error. I went to eBay and looked for 538609R2 battery boxes and found plenty of them available. So it got me to thinking about what I have and why it mounts differently. When I purchased the Cub, the PO?s brother told me that the PO worked for Westinghouse as a welder for all most all his life, and was one of their top welders. So I started to think that maybe he went to replace the battery box due it being rusted out, and couldn?t get the old bolts out. So maybe he took a new replacement box and modified it to mount in a different manner (three studs through the floor pan). I haven?t put the battery in yet, so I went and took a look at the bottom of the box, expecting to see the four bolt holes in the bottom of the box. No such thing. So I don't have a modified 538609R2 box. I thought that maybe being a welder he just welded a box of his own, but that also doesn?t look like the case. There are definite bends made by machine and not by hand. The bottom of the box is most definitely machine formed, so this is not a case of somebody welding up some flat plates to make a box. Now I?m guessing that this is an aftermarket box built to be a non-direct replacement for the 538609R2 box, maybe because of the difficulty of removing the original four mounting bolts once the original box rusts away (???). There are three studs on the bottom of the box, each stud has a welded on spacer to allow for the box to clear the remnants of the old four mounting bolts. I looked at pictures of other floor pans and haven?t seen any that had the three required holes in them. So the floor pan had to be drilled to accommodate the three studs. Whatever the case may be, I?m leaving the box as is because that?s how I got it, and the fact that I?ve already got it painted and installed. It?s also mounted in the exact same location as a 538609R2 box would be. If the correct police want to check on how it?s mounted, they?ll have to crawl underneath the tractor to see. Thanks again to everybody who looked into this and tried to help. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I don't think the box ever changed from 1947 thrugh 1979. "GV" tacked on the end of a CaseIH part number indicates it is part of the "Gold Value" line. It may be an alternative to a more expensive original part or may be all that is available. That line is "Case IH's competitive answer to repairing your heritage tractor." Which I think may translate to something like -- We saw how much was being sold by Valu-Bilt for these old tractors and decided to get into that business. Part 351336R12 is one of the box lids, which is not relevant to the current discussion. The last hard copy parts catalog was issued 8/79. It was scanned for the on-line catalog. The on-line catalog has some part list updates. I also have access to catalogs from 1970 and 1975. 351330R11 was the original box, a number not listed in the online. It is the only number listed through the 1970 catalog but is not in the 1975 catalog. So any Cub from 1947 through at least 1970 used that box. 538609R1 is the only version listed in the 1975 catalog. So that change was between '70 and '75. There is no obvious difference between this and 351330R11. The catalog says "Box w/product graphic" whereas the old one said "Box". The new part number may have only indicated that the part came with a warning sticker. There were some electrical changes made in 1972, adding a key start and a clutch interlock. But this didn't require changes to the box. 538609R2 is listed in the 1979 catalog. The incremented revision number indicates some (probably minor) change from 1975. I suspect a change to the safety sicker. 538609R2GV is listed on-line. It is a Gold Value substitute part and the only thing currently available from CaseIH. If you want to see some good pictures of a battery box, look here: http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gel/battbox_001.htm Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:48 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I have to make a correction to the previous post, I misread not only my notes that I jotted done from the on line parts list, but I read the parts list wrong to boot. The earlier version of the battery box should have been 538609R2, and the later version should have been 538609RGV. The 538609R2 is not available any more, the 538609RGV is available. Sorry for any confusion. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 17:22:41 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 20:22:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. Dave M. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > How many hours? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded > very similar and they ran forever... > Cecil > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack > the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, > like pulling a plug wire? > > Ken in AZ > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason wrote: > >> I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump >> shop check it. >> >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of >>> the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long >>> socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. >>> The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is >>> good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it >>> change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no >>> wear and looked good. >>> >>> Still stumped. >>> Dave Maynard >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: >>> >>>> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >>>> Possibly injection pump timing. >>>> >>>> >>>> $-------& >>>> Moe Fretz >>>> >>>> L'Orignal >>>> Ontario, Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. >>>>> Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes >>>>> a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it >>>>> turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >>>>> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >>>>> pistons all good. >>>>> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this >>>>> engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors >>>>> and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, >>>>> noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be >>>>> not as common as most. >>>>> Does anyone know of any >>>>> Reputable dealers for used engines? >>>>> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any >>>>> and all suggestions and comments welcome. >>>>> >>>>> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >>>>> >>>>> Thanks guys, >>>>> Dave Maynard >>>>> The Maple Hill Farm >>>>> Marion, NY >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sat Apr 4 18:11:14 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 20:11:14 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: <07e2e477-8efc-3c1d-d03b-c2d3897cb104@copper.net> How many engine hours is showing?? Cecil On 4/4/2020 7:22 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced > all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as > well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along > with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it > was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > Dave M. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > How many hours?? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that > sounded very similar and they ran forever... > Cecil > > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: >> Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? >> Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you >> can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? >> >> Ken in AZ >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason > > wrote: >> >> I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and >> have the pump shop check it. >> >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> ? ? ?I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds >> like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My >> farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and >> he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. >> ? ? ?The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they >> say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump >> timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only >> one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and >> looked good. >> >> Still stumped. >> Dave Maynard >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz >> > wrote: >> >> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >> Possibly injection pump timing. >> >> >> $-------& >> Moe Fretz >> >> L'Orignal >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red >> tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice >> shape overall and a good price. However it makes >> a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a >> lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We >> have had this engine apart several times and cant >> find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no >> broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. >> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want >> to destroy this engine by running it too much. >> Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and >> cups with new as the sound is like a bad >> injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. >> The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to >> be not as common as most. >> Does anyone know of any >> Reputable dealers for used engines? >> ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you >> can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and >> comments welcome. >> >> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> Dave Maynard >> The Maple Hill Farm >> Marion, NY >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 20:26:08 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 23:26:08 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: Now just showing 2003 hours. Dave M. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 9:21 PM Roger Moffat wrote: > > > On Apr 4, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all > the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. > Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the > filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and > have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > > Does cracking open the injector pipes one at a time when it?s running make > any difference to the noise - its frequency, location or anything else? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 03:26:02 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 06:26:02 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Glad you liked it, Ken! SO On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:30 PM Ken Knierim wrote: > Steve: thanks for all the video and manufacturing information. I'd seen > shapers sitting around and knew generally how they worked (from a retired > machinist/engineer/shop wizard neighbor) but this is the first time I've > seen one in action. My son and I watched the machine work > > The new neighbor has 4 Haas and a Brother for CNC equipment now; any of > them are impressive to watch but the Brother is a step up (to me anyway). > Fast and efficient. Of course, the neighbor is pretty fastidious and cares > for his equipment well too. > > Jim: the neighbor fought with the coolant mist in his shop; it was > wrecking the AC filters and getting into everything until he got a HEPA > filtered system for abating the mess. Didn't take long before he had them > on all the machines. Afterward the filters in the AC system would actually > last a decent amount of time (rather than daily replacements). It might not > apply to what you were doing (since the CNC's are fairly well enclosed) but > I know it bothered him until he found and installed the filtration systems. > > very informative. Thanks! > > Ken in AZ > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Great video! Do you have any mist collection or is it not enough to >> warrant a system? In 2008 I worked in a large Swiss Screw house. There was >> a oil haze everyday about 6 ' above the ground in the winter months. I >> would come home smelling like cutting oil. Those were the days. >> >> Jim Thomson >> Rehoboth, MA >> >> On April 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the >> whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder >> sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of >> our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last >> possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part >> being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. >> Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the >> end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a >> new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue >> automatic operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that >> list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >> etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, >> it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that >> involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with >> a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net> >> wrote: >> >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 04:46:40 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 07:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: <484546730.141989.1586087201125@connect.xfinity.com> Dave, This may be a long shot but have you checked the exhaust manifold for leaks or cracks? I went through this with my old truck last summer. I adjusted all the valves and replaced a couple rocker arms but still had the same type of tick. A friend told me to check for exhaust leaks. I pressurized the system from the tail pipe and found plenty of leaks but the most critical were at the exhaust manifold(inline 6 cylinder). I thought it was a bad gasket but the manifold bolts were loose. 95% of my tick went away. I still have one valve to adjust as I too went around with the stethoscope and isolated the tick to one of 2 rocker that need to be adjusted. I would have never looked at this so it is worth a try. Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 4, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > Dave M. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > How many hours? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded very similar and they ran forever... > > Cecil > > > > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > > > > > > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? > > > > > > Ken in AZ > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason < dejoodster at gmail.com mailto:dejoodster at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump shop check it. > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > > > > > The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. > > > > > > > > > > Still stumped. > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz < tubetester at gmail.com mailto:tubetester at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > > > > > > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $-------& > > > > > > Moe Fretz > > > > > > > > > > > > L'Orignal > > > > > > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > > > > > > > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any > > > > > > > Reputable dealers for used engines? > > > > > > > I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > The Maple Hill Farm > > > > > > > Marion, NY > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 05:08:12 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 08:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <484546730.141989.1586087201125@connect.xfinity.com> References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> <484546730.141989.1586087201125@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <350694573.142204.1586088492829@connect.xfinity.com> Dave, Here a video of the tick before I started correcting the problem. https://youtu.be/0P-USZfsbzs Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 5, 2020 at 7:46 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > > Dave, > > This may be a long shot but have you checked the exhaust manifold for leaks or cracks? I went through this with my old truck last summer. I adjusted all the valves and replaced a couple rocker arms but still had the same type of tick. A friend told me to check for exhaust leaks. I pressurized the system from the tail pipe and found plenty of leaks but the most critical were at the exhaust manifold(inline 6 cylinder). I thought it was a bad gasket but the manifold bolts were loose. 95% of my tick went away. I still have one valve to adjust as I too went around with the stethoscope and isolated the tick to one of 2 rocker that need to be adjusted. I would have never looked at this so it is worth a try. > > Jim Thomson > Rehoboth, MA > > > > On April 4, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > > > Dave M. > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How many hours? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded very similar and they ran forever... > > > Cecil > > > > > > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? > > > > > > > > Ken in AZ > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason < dejoodster at gmail.com mailto:dejoodster at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump shop check it. > > > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > > > > > > The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still stumped. > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz < tubetester at gmail.com mailto:tubetester at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > > > > > > > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $-------& > > > > > > > Moe Fretz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L'Orignal > > > > > > > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > > > > > > > > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any > > > > > > > > Reputable dealers for used engines? > > > > > > > > I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > > The Maple Hill Farm > > > > > > > > Marion, NY > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 5 05:53:55 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 08:53:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar and why I am guessing that. If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > F2803 From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sun Apr 5 12:10:48 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 15:10:48 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had this engine apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil was new when I got it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time it has seen. Dave On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost wrote: > Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic > lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines > were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar > and why I am guessing that. > > If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for > minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right > before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality > synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > > > F2803 > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Sun Apr 5 13:18:10 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:18:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long has it been in there? Mike M On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals > are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first > thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had > this engine apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil > was new when I got it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the > few hours of run time it has seen. > > Dave > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost > wrote: > > Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking > hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine > and these engines were notorious for developing sticking lifters. > Noise sounds very familiar and why I am guessing that. > > If I am right,It is harmless but annoying.? There are some > techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam > in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or > so.? Then using a high-quality synthetic.? In addition I made very > frequent oil changes. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > > > F2803 > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 5 14:55:42 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 17:55:42 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8124F03C-5689-4413-93F6-FFF3F85E788E@rdfarms.com> Fly wheel puller came in Friday so I got the flywheel/rotor off. Pulled the starter clutch assembly from behind the rotor and sure enough : two big cracks. I guess I?ll hit up eBay and see what I can find. Spencer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110371 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > > ?So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s suspicious. > > So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. > > So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. > > The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sun Apr 5 15:12:26 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 18:12:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Fuel was just put in a few days ago. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM Mike M wrote: > Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long has it > been in there? > > Mike M > > > On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals are > free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first thing we > did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had this engine > apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil was new when I got > it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time > it has seen. > > Dave > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost wrote: > >> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic >> lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines >> were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar >> and why I am guessing that. >> >> If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for >> minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right >> before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality >> synthetic. 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URL: From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 17:41:04 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 20:41:04 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: What happens to the noise if you have it running, and then one at a time crack the fittings of the injector pipes on the injector pump? Does the noise go away on any one pipe? Does it alter pitch or change in any way? Roger > On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Fuel was just put in a few days ago. > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM Mike M > wrote: > Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long has it been in there? > > Mike M > > > On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had this engine apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil was new when I got it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time it has seen. >> >> Dave >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost > wrote: >> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar and why I am guessing that. >> >> If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: >> > >> > F2803 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 5 17:49:46 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 19:49:46 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <61b2f91d-8829-2423-a5c0-737464376575@copper.net> I noticed that the click is easier to hear at idle.? Can you take off the valve cover and run it at idle for a bit?? While idling and valve cover off, push down on each side of the rocker arms with a hammer handle or similar and see if the noise stops.? You could have some worn rocker arm bushings.? I had on old ford 292 that did that.? It would drop a pushrod sometimes if you over revved it like when it got stuck in mud... Cecil On 4/5/2020 7:41 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > What happens to the noise if you have it running, and then one at a > time crack the fittings of the injector pipes on the injector pump? > > Does the noise go away on any one pipe? Does it alter pitch or change > in any way? > > Roger > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Fuel was just put in a few days ago. >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long >> has it been in there? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and >>> internals are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is >>> the very first thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of >>> the times we have had this engine apart. I have used Rislone in >>> it in the begining and oil was new when I got it and have >>> changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time it >>> has seen. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost >> > wrote: >>> >>> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking >>> hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L >>> engine and these engines were notorious for developing >>> sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar and why I am >>> guessing that. >>> >>> If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some >>> techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with >>> seafoam in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe >>> 100 miles or so.? Then using a high-quality synthetic.? 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URL: From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Apr 5 17:53:59 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 20:53:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> I was wondering about injection timing too. Sounds like preignition. Doug T On 4/4/2020 3:52 PM, Moe Fretz wrote: > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. > Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However > it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter > adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart > several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, > no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this > engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the > injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, > but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 > cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. > Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > Thanks guys, > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sun Apr 5 18:59:32 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:59:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5. Have tried all rocker arm by pushing like Cecil says, not there. I've wondered about injection timing. Cam loves all look good with no wear on injection pump cam. I understand that the gear is pressed on and could have slipped, but wouldn't that affect all cylinders. Only mabey if original cam had one lobe slightly at the edge of spec and gear slip made it slightly more off enough to affect just one cylinder. Ya"ll see why I'm tearing my hair out....and not that much to lose anymore...lol Dave On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 PM Doug Tallman wrote: > I was wondering about injection timing too. Sounds like preignition. Doug T > On 4/4/2020 3:52 PM, Moe Fretz wrote: > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >> pistons all good. >> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >> still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as >> common as most. >> Does anyone know of any >> Reputable dealers for used engines? >> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any >> and all suggestions and comments welcome. >> >> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >> >> Thanks guys, >> Dave Maynard >> The Maple Hill Farm >> Marion, NY >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sun Apr 5 19:00:35 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:00:35 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> Message-ID: <5E8A8D43.3000706@frontier.com> Stephen Offiler wrote: > Steve: > > Scribes - yes, quite possible we made yours. We do about 100,000 a > year. Makes me wonder sometimes where they all go! The majority go out > as either Blue-Point (black anodized, laser mark logo) or Moody (blue > ano, no mark) and some go out bare aluminum under different brands like > King or Nasco. The majority have pressed-in picks; whereas, the one I > showed in the video has threaded, replaceable picks. If anybody cared > to watch the video you might have noticed the drilling and tapping on > both ends. It roughly doubles the cycle time vs the pressed-in design. > The almost-finished part sits and waits and waits for the back-drill and > back-tap. BTW the pressed design gets a little green Loctite as > insurance policy. > > Watch those puncture wounds; they infect easily. Now is not a good time > for a visit to the ER! > > SO Mine are blue-point IIRC. Been a while since I got them. I have about 3 sets, come in handy to remove small parts and clips.. Yeah, a bit late for the ER, I was just in there in late Feb. They decided to install a couple stents and I get to stab myself at lest 5 times a day, at least the needles are tiny. -- Steve W. From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sun Apr 5 19:03:58 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:03:58 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5E8A8E0E.2020203@frontier.com> Ken Knierim wrote: > Steve: thanks for all the video and manufacturing information. I'd seen > shapers sitting around and knew generally how they worked (from a > retired machinist/engineer/shop wizard neighbor) but this is the first > time I've seen one in action. My son and I watched the machine work > > The new neighbor has 4 Haas and a Brother for CNC equipment now; any of > them are impressive to watch but the Brother is a step up (to me > anyway). Fast and efficient. Of course, the neighbor is pretty > fastidious and cares for his equipment well too. > > Jim: the neighbor fought with the coolant mist in his shop; it was > wrecking the AC filters and getting into everything until he got a HEPA > filtered system for abating the mess. Didn't take long before he had > them on all the machines. Afterward the filters in the AC system would > actually last a decent amount of time (rather than daily replacements). > It might not apply to what you were doing (since the CNC's are fairly > well enclosed) but I know it bothered him until he found and installed > the filtration systems. > > very informative. Thanks! > > Ken in AZ > Want to see shapers being used, hit the Abom79 channel on youtube. He now runs his own manual machine shop after working for Motion. -- Steve W. From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 19:42:57 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 22:42:57 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike M On 4/5/2020 10:42 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that > the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too > much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 5 20:09:17 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 22:09:17 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3457ee43-2e4b-0c73-2fd8-4bf36e368c65@copper.net> Does this noise start immediately or after it is run a bit.? It could be carbon buildup on the head or piston.? This would increase compression and also if it was glowing it could cause pre-detonation.?? Another thought.? Is it possible that the pre-combustion chamber is moving in its recess? ? This is a one time click along with the injection it seems. 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URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Sun Apr 5 20:35:22 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:35:22 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1510730565.141589.1586144123073@webmail.xtra.co.nz> I was wondering about a errant piston, too. Have struck once on an AC crawler engine. Also came across an over length con rod once, how that was made was a bit of a mystery. Have you thought about a compression test? Tom > On 06 April 2020 at 14:42 Roger Moffat wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 5 21:03:10 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 23:03:10 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <1510730565.141589.1586144123073@webmail.xtra.co.nz> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <1510730565.141589.1586144123073@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <366aa9dd-9f9e-6b99-6890-0e273c4a9dac@copper.net> Back when I could overhaul a 350 chevy for $100 in parts, I tore one down to find out what the knock was and never found it!! Later I had a bad scar in a 305 cylinder wall and bored it out with an old old T model era cylinder hone.? The bore had a .004 taper from bottom to top.? I installed a 0.010 oversize piston. It knocked, but used no oil.? Ran good.? After about 15K miles I sold the pickup to a couple buying it for their 16yr old son's birthday.? The kid drove it all through high school and part of college.? He sold it and bought a later model.? The engine that knocked, ? still knocked at over 150K miles...? Sometimes a knock is not too bad... Cecil On 4/5/2020 10:35 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: > > I was wondering about a errant piston, too. Have struck once on an AC > crawler engine. > > Also came across an over length con rod once, how that was made was a > bit of a mystery. > > Have you thought about a compression test? > > Tom > >> On 06 April 2020 at 14:42 Roger Moffat wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too >> much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger > > >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7jdj at aol.com Sun Apr 5 23:12:31 2020 From: k7jdj at aol.com (k7jdj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 06:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress?I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? Roger_______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Mon Apr 6 05:50:44 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:50:44 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <8124F03C-5689-4413-93F6-FFF3F85E788E@rdfarms.com> References: <8124F03C-5689-4413-93F6-FFF3F85E788E@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <2515df27-806e-3cc7-ba0e-d279be1810f4@basicisp.net> Wow! I'd say you were lucky it didn't come apart the last time you rode it. Hope you find the part cheap. Phil in TX On 4/5/2020 4:55 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > Fly wheel puller came in Friday so I got the flywheel/rotor off. Pulled the starter clutch assembly from behind the rotor and sure enough : two big cracks. > > I guess I?ll hit up eBay and see what I can find. > > Spencer > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> ?So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. >> >> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 6 06:08:07 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 08:08:07 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder > liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did > you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any > sign of head distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that > the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too > much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Mon Apr 6 08:35:14 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:35:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner > movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > Cecil > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners > if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look > carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head > distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the > compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before > top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 6 10:01:31 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:01:31 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 > had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his > father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was > more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston > and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been > chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is > rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears > identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same > except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 > or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm > wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause > preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they > would have to be accurately measured. > ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, > but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the > liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on > upstroke. > Cecil > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has >> cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get >> click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and >> look for any sign of head distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so >> that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting >> (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Mon Apr 6 10:36:15 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:36:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: Yes, checked all tolerances. On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> >> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners >> if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look >> carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head >> distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:39:07 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:39:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? 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Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> >> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners >> if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look >> carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head >> distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 11:03:56 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:03:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5ECE3148-DB74-4D4A-9AF1-663AB01B9637@gmail.com> Actually I mis-spoke below? A longer rod would make the piston come up higher, but it would also start higher, not lower as I wrote. Roger > On Apr 6, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > > >> On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard > wrote: >> >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? > > No, a longer rod would cause that - the piston is coming up higher in the cylinder (and starting fractionally lower) so there?s greater compression in a cylinder with a longer rod (or a piston with a higher deck height). > > Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7jdj at aol.com Mon Apr 6 11:04:30 2020 From: k7jdj at aol.com (k7jdj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1966002606.1415140.1586196270756@mail.yahoo.com> Good point. -----Original Message----- From: Cecil Bearden To: at Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2020 6:08 am Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke.? Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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URL: From ken.knierim at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 11:05:42 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:05:42 -0700 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I chased in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard system would kick the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept thinking it was a rod or something. I finally got an engine to upgrade from the 305 to a 383 (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the bolts on the torque converter to the flex plate had slipped and were rattling. Had to replace the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded in the engine and wasn't. Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it possible there's something loose in the bell housing? Ken in AZ On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard wrote: > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > >> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >> clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>> head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_5572200372103490139_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Had to weld up cross member under transmission tail.? 6 months later had to rebuild transmission.? $2300 and I pulled a trailer about 150 miles and when I got back the flex plate clicking again.? It was during Christmas of 2018.? Trans guy was on vacation.? It? still sits here as I had t o use it to feed cattle with and have not had time to make appt. o get flex plate replaced.? F-150 torque converters expand if they get hot and break the flex plate. Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:05 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I > chased in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard > system would kick the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept > thinking it was a rod or something. I finally got an engine to upgrade > from the 305 to a 383 (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the > bolts on the torque converter to the flex plate had slipped and were > rattling. Had to replace the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded > in the engine and wasn't. > > Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it > possible there's something loose in the bell housing? > > Ken in AZ > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance > from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as > there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about > the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been > short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M > wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and > bearing clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart >> before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The >> seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never >> been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you >> could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings >> had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the >> noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that >> appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the >> rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost >> immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is >> almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if >> that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods >> so they would have to be accurately measured. >> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart >> again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been >> that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down >> stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >> wrote: >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has >>> cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you >>> would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when >>> you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets >>>> quieter on #5 >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the >>> noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow >>> different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s >>> igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre >>> in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_5572200372103490139_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I tore it apart, I found the bolts on the torque converter to the flex plate had slipped and were rattling. Had to replace the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded in the engine and wasn't.? Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it possible there's something loose in the bell housing? Ken in AZ On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard wrote: Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know.? ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke.? Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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Cranck and cam bearings all seem good with no play or any heat looking stress, but cant check main bearings without splitting tractor because Kubota engines have crank assembly installed from the end like you would a camshaft. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 2:31 PM wrote: > Harmonic damper? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Knierim > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2020 11:06 am > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I chased > in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard system would kick > the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept thinking it was a rod or > something. I finally got an engine to upgrade from the 305 to a 383 > (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the bolts on the torque > converter to the flex plate had slipped and were rattling. Had to replace > the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded in the engine and wasn't. > > Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it possible > there's something loose in the bell housing? > > Ken in AZ > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner > movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > Cecil > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners > if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look > carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head > distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the > compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before > top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bohinch at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 15:03:55 2020 From: bohinch at gmail.com (Bo Hinch) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 17:03:55 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > >> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >> clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>> head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Mon Apr 6 15:24:42 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:24:42 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >> >>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>> clearances? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >>> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >>> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >>> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >>> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >>> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >>> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>> Cecil >>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:34:15 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: <223138769.956990.1586212456807@connect.xfinity.com> A short rod won't change injector timing but it will change the compression ratio and power output of that cylinder. A compression test of each cylinder might show this. Brian > On April 6, 2020 at 6:24 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch < bohinch at gmail.com mailto:bohinch at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > > > > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > > > > > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com mailto:k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? > > > > > > > I would do a compression check as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renton, WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com > > > > > > > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But only on #5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Mon Apr 6 18:18:37 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <223138769.956990.1586212456807@connect.xfinity.com> References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <223138769.956990.1586212456807@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1694273501.24760797.1586222317033.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Dave, Have you tried going on line and searching for something like ?Kubota M5700 engine noise?? Maybe somebody out there had the same problem and posted how they resolved it. There may be a discussion group where you might get ideas other than what?s been already mentioned here. You might also find a Kubota M5700 owners group who can tell you exactly what?s going on. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian VanDragt To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 18:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise A short rod won't change injector timing but it will change the compression ratio and power output of that cylinder. A compression test of each cylinder might show this. Brian > On April 6, 2020 at 6:24 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch < bohinch at gmail.com mailto:bohinch at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > > > > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > > > > > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com mailto:k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? > > > > > > > I would do a compression check as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renton, WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com > > > > > > > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But only on #5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Apr 7 16:02:40 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 19:02:40 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far.? Doug T On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good > point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch > wrote: > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its > clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to > the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new > concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that > would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M > wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring > and bearing clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart >> before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The >> seller said it was his father's tractor since new and >> never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil >> pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and >> rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had >> been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other >> reason, but dont know. >> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower >> he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this >> motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. >> He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter >> by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. >> Part number is almost the same except last digit and now >> I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would >> shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no >> part number on the rods so they would have to be >> accurately measured. >> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back >> apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has >> been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once >> on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >> wrote: >>> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine >>> even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner >>> is moving you would get click. Did you look >>> carefully at the head when you had it off and look >>> for any sign of head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it >>>> gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the >>> noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow >>> different so that the compression is higher, and so >>> it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top >>> dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 02:18:24 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 05:18:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 SO On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause > pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston > wouldn't come up as far. Doug T > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good > point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: > >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>> >>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>> clearances? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>>>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>>> Cecil >>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>> head distress? >>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But only on #5? >>>>> >>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>> >>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>> >>>>> Roger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> <#m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>>> clearances? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, >>>>> but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the >>>>>> liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on >>>>>> upstroke. >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>>> head distress? >>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> <#m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 8 07:36:22 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:36:22 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been many years since I did a compression analysis.? Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? Cecil On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? > Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that > could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite > causing the knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > > I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm > stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 liter, > giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? Now, what-if the > con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds .0059 liter to the > combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down > to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause > pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the > piston wouldn't come up as far.? Doug T > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James >> makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may >> change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch > > wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and >> its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not >> traveling to close to the head as there would be >> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the >> wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would >> have been short, not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all the >> piston,ring and bearing clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this >>> engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and >>> rod and bearings. The seller said it was his >>> father's tractor since new and never been >>> apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan >>> than you could imagine and obviously that piston >>> and rod and bearings had been replaced and I >>> thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless >>> there was some other reason, but dont know. >>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson >>> mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder >>> version of this motor that appears identical >>> except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to >>> be the same except it a tweak shorter by an >>> almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. >>> Part number is almost the same except last digit >>> and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's >>> mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By >>> the way, there is no part number on the rods so >>> they would have to be accurately measured. >>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get >>> this back apart again, but hoping to have this >>> fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my >>> experience has been that the liner movement >>> was a double "thud" once on down stroke and >>> once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this >>>> engine even has cylinder liners if it does >>>> and that liner is moving you would get >>>> click. Did you look carefully at the head >>>> when you had it off and look for any sign >>>> of head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, >>>>> and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others?the engine >>>> misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is >>>> somehow different so that the compression >>>> is higher, and so it?s igniting >>>> (pre-igniting) too much before top dead >>>> centre in just that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Overall its in nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... | | | On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden wrote: I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been many years since I did a compression analysis.? Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? Cecil On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? Dave On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 SO On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far.? Doug T On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know.? ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke.? Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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Dave M On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam wrote: > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on > tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. > Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a > solution > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but > we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < > crbearden at copper.net> wrote: > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the > problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I > did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > Cecil > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? > Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could > change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the > knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause > pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston > wouldn't come up as far. Doug T > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good > point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner > movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > Cecil > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners > if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look > carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head > distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the > compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before > top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Wed Apr 8 09:57:16 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:57:16 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the others. Dave M. On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my > son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as > Mangus. > > Dave M > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam > wrote: > >> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on >> tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. >> Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a >> solution >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but >> we have a couple things we are trying t... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < >> crbearden at copper.net> wrote: >> >> >> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the >> problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I >> did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >> Cecil >> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? >> Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could >> change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the >> knock? >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. >> 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber >> volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That >> adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops >> compression down to 18.4:1 >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >> wrote: >> >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >> clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> >> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners >> if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look >> carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head >> distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 10:28:05 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided by chamber volume. If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R is the compression ratio: R = (S + C)/C R = S/C + 1 R ? 1 = S/C (R ? 1) * C = S C = S/(R ? 1) C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus the new compression ratio R1 is: R1 = S/C1 + 1 R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the deck of the block. Jim Becker From: Stephen Offiler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 SO On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far. Doug T On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? 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URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 8 11:25:35 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:25:35 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> References: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <4745652F-C868-47A6-92FC-BFCF54B2AEB0@rdfarms.com> I have been able to read part/casting numbers on rods with my inspection scope. If the oil drain bolt hole is close enough to #5 you might get the access you need for looking around with a scope. it can be tedious but usually can be done. But if you?re luck is like mine that oil drain bolt will be on the wrong side of the engine :-). Push comes to shove you can pull the pan for inspection. Long story but I actually had to do this once to see which one of three available rods I needed to buy to replace the one that was broken. One of the three was only available in overseas markets and took 2-3 months to get so wanted to start the ordering process if needed before I started the tear down. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ? > Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided by chamber volume. > > If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: > > If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R is the compression ratio: > R = (S + C)/C > R = S/C + 1 > R ? 1 = S/C > (R ? 1) * C = S > C = S/(R ? 1) > > C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 > > A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus the new compression ratio R1 is: > R1 = S/C1 + 1 > R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 > > Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. > > I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the deck of the block. > > Jim Becker > > From: Stephen Offiler > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >>>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >>>>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >>>>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? >>>>>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Roger >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 8 12:01:49 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0e4327cc-6661-40b6-8481-0d2989a89472@copper.net> Usually a piston pin bushing will produce a double knock. Usually..............? Just like an old farmer once told me when in the middle of a drought.?? I said:"The cows are grazing in the heat of the day.? That's a sign of rain" He said: "All signs fail in dry weather" Cecil On 4/8/2020 11:57 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been > guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there > could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown > reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause > higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose > or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing > an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. > Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to > get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could > be apart a little longer than the others. > > Dave M. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a > post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize > him on here as Mangus. > > Dave M > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam > > wrote: > > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a > thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with > exactly the same problem.? Knock piston 5.? You might follow > this thread to see if there was a solution > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice > shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might > be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been > many years since I did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets > older tricks thing!!! > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > Cecil > > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the > proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be > leftover fuel that could change things on next compression > stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler > > wrote: > > I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x > 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 > liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? > Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds > .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, > which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > > > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing > or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less > compression because the piston wouldn't come up as > far.? Doug T > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But >> James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too >> short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch >> > wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting >> rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But >> it's not traveling to close to the head as >> there would be damage showing. Just have this >> new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, >> not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M >> > >> wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all >> the piston,ring and bearing clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had >>> this engine apart before and #5 had a >>> new piston and rod and bearings. The >>> seller said it was his father's tractor >>> since new and never been apart....he >>> lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than >>> you could imagine and obviously that >>> piston and rod and bearings had been >>> replaced and I thought they had been >>> chasing the noise. Unless there was some >>> other reason, but dont know. >>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a >>> Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that >>> has a 4 cylinder version of this motor >>> that appears identical except the number >>> of cyl's. He found the rod to be the >>> same except it a tweak shorter by an >>> almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 >>> or .010. Part number is almost the same >>> except last digit and now I'm wondering >>> if that could be someone's mistake. >>> Would shorter rod cause preignition? By >>> the way, there is no part number on the >>> rods so they would have to be accurately >>> measured. >>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can >>> get this back apart again, but hoping to >>> have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil >>> Bearden >> > wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my >>> experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on >>> down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if >>>> this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is >>>> moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you >>>> had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> >>>> >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email >>>> Discussion Group >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave >>>>> Maynard >>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at >>>>> a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others?the >>>> engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about >>>> cylinder 5 is somehow different so >>>> that the compression is higher, and >>>> so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too >>>> much before top dead centre in just >>>> that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than >>>> the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are several things > I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two > machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with > Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi > at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop > (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it.? Google > to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that > allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck > isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive > relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the memory > error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need > more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like this, any words > of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it > was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dejoodster at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:03:02 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 15:03:02 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <4745652F-C868-47A6-92FC-BFCF54B2AEB0@rdfarms.com> References: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> <4745652F-C868-47A6-92FC-BFCF54B2AEB0@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately Kubota cast numbers aren't as solid of means to identify parts as they are on other brands. Jason On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 1:25 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > I have been able to read part/casting numbers on rods with my inspection > scope. If the oil drain bolt hole is close enough to #5 you might get the > access you need for looking around with a scope. it can be tedious but > usually can be done. But if you?re luck is like mine that oil drain bolt > will be on the wrong side of the engine :-). Push comes to shove you can > pull the pan for inspection. > > Long story but I actually had to do this once to see which one of three > available rods I needed to buy to replace the one that was broken. One of > the three was only available in overseas markets and took 2-3 months to get > so wanted to start the ordering process if needed before I started the tear > down. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ? > Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume > divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided > by chamber volume. > > If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: > > If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R > is the compression ratio: > R = (S + C)/C > R = S/C + 1 > R ? 1 = S/C > (R ? 1) * C = S > C = S/(R ? 1) > > C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 > > A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus > the new compression ratio R1 is: > R1 = S/C1 + 1 > R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 > > Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether > the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a > misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem > unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the > next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. > > I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod > without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by > bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the > deck of the block. > > Jim Becker > > *From:* Stephen Offiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>>> clearances? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, >>>>> but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the >>>>>> liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on >>>>>> upstroke. >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>>> head distress? >>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com >>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>>> mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 8 13:10:30 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:10:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With Wine you are basically running a virtual machine (OK not really but from a resources perspective it?s close) inside of the laptop running Linux - so you have two computers competing for the same physical resources. My guess is the resource limitation is the laptop not the USB drive and there is probably some configuration you can do to avoid it. I stopped using Wine years ago so unfortunately I don?t remember much. I also don?t think wine will help you with the connectivity issue? Not sure if you?re using wine to be able to run some office products or what but doubt it will help connectivity. A supported USB wireless adapter is cheap. You might want to use green shims to solve this technical problem. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=301306 Spencer. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not > sure if you?re using wine to be able to run some office products or > what but doubt it will help connectivity. > > A supported USB wireless adapter is cheap. You might want to use green > shims to solve this technical problem. > > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=301306 > > > Spencer. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding >> Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting >> and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of >> paperwork as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected >> to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best.? There are several >> things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had >> two machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with >> Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my >> WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop >> (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google >> to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer >> that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck >> isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive >> relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the >> memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? >> Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like >> this, any words of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when >> it was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 8 13:20:01 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> References: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2041563806.26600235.1586377201162.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Your laptop has 4GB but you?ve already used some of that for whatever you already have loaded (operating system, games and programs, file, etc.) so you may not have enough room left to add whatever files are required for Wine. Check how much available RAM you have and see how much Wine needs. You may have to move some files from your laptop to the thumb drive, or another separate thumb drive, in order to make room for Wine. Keep in mind that you?re also going to need some memory for whatever you?ll be working on. If you don?t have sufficient room you may notice slow down or hang up, and you may have to do frequent saves. Remember that the computer saves the original file and the copy you?re working on until you save the new file, and then the saved file becomes the new original file and the old original file is gone (actually still there but the space it took up becomes available for saving/creating files). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. _http://forums.linuxmint.com_ On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running > off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork > as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my > workstation at work, which is... OK at best.? There are several things > I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two > machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with > Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi > at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop > (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it.? Google > to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that > allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck > isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive > relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the memory > error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need > more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like this, any words > of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it > was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Wed Apr 8 13:22:17 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 20:22:17 +0000 Subject: [AT] [External] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple thoughts on this. Any reason to not use your iMac? If you don't like Apple Numbers and want a more Microsoft Excel feeling application you could use Apache's Open Office. It's free open source software similar to Libre Office. As for linux and your USB Wifi adapter. I wonder if running it off a USB stick is a more limited install that may not have the full compliment of drivers available? I haven't played with it lately but I had an old D-Link USB wireless adapter that I thought I'd used with Ubuntu and there weren't any hoops to jump through. But it's been some time so don't remember exactly. As others have said, I'd pass it by on the Mint forums and see if someone there might point you in the right direction. I don't think Wine is the solution here IMHO. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:00 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group Subject: [External] [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) Steve O. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:27:18 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:27:18 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <2041563806.26600235.1586377201162.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> <2041563806.26600235.1586377201162.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: That 4GB is plenty for a Mate installation. I have several laptops with that amount, running Linux. On 4/8/20 4:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Your laptop has 4GB but you?ve already used some of that for whatever you already have loaded (operating system, games and programs, file, etc.) so you may not have enough room left to add whatever files are required for Wine. > > Check how much available RAM you have and see how much Wine needs. You may have to move some files from your laptop to the thumb drive, or another separate thumb drive, in order to make room for Wine. Keep in mind that you?re also going to need some memory for whatever you?ll be working on. If you don?t have sufficient room you may notice slow down or hang up, and you may have to do frequent saves. Remember that the computer saves the original file and the copy you?re working on until you save the new file, and then the saved file becomes the new original file and the old original file is gone (actually still there but the space it took up becomes available for saving/creating files). > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:29:48 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion > > Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, > register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. > _http://forums.linuxmint.com_ > > On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running >> off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork >> as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my >> workstation at work, which is... OK at best.? There are several things >> I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two >> machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with >> Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi >> at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop >> (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it.? Google >> to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that >> allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck >> isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive >> relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the memory >> error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need >> more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like this, any words >> of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >> was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:05:40 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:05:40 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ken. I am brutally new and incompetent with this Linux stuff. I don't know if there's a memory config for Wine. I am just going thru this very long, very beginner-friendly step-by-step: https://www.pcsteps.com/10463-install-wine-linux-mint-ubuntu-run-windows-apps/ It has me copy-pasting commands into the Terminal and I am completely lost as to what any of them are doing. I do need to go back and make note of the point where the Wine install process starts to produce errors. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:15 PM Ken Knierim wrote: > Is there a memory configuration for Wine that can be adjusted? (I haven't > used it in quite a while and I'm sure things have changed) > Most of the linux systems I have use a lot less memory but I don't have > any booting from thumb drives (SD cards on embedded Debian controllers, > yes). > 4 Gig should be more than enough and an old Solidworks system should be > pretty stout. > Some of the older hardware couldn't address all the memory but Linux > should tell you how much it thinks it has available with the "free" > command. > > Cheers, > > Ken in AZ > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 PM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off >> a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as >> well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at >> work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit >> annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux >> is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. >> I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine >> under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The >> solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to >> run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't >> full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily >> on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the >> thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? >> Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >> was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:08:09 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:08:09 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Spencer. Yes, I am told Wine is what I need to unpack the Netgear drivers. Here's a quote from the instructions I'm trying to follow: "...I used Wine to ?install? the drivers. Install Wine and make sure it is configured to Windows XP. It does not really install the drivers, but runs the install wizard like it was on windows and unpacks them into a kind of phony C:\ drive so you can use them. Use Wine to browse that C:\ drive and you will find a folder WNDA3100v2. Inside that folder is a folder- Driver and in that WinXP200. There you will find a file bcmwlhigh5.inf. That is the prize you have been looking for..." and this comes from here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383708 Now... a supported Wifi adapter... why didn't I think of that?! SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:10 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > With Wine you are basically running a virtual machine (OK not really but > from a resources perspective it?s close) inside of the laptop running Linux > - so you have two computers competing for the same physical resources. My > guess is the resource limitation is the laptop not the USB drive and there > is probably some configuration you can do to avoid it. I stopped using > Wine years ago so unfortunately I don?t remember much. > > I also don?t think wine will help you with the connectivity issue? Not > sure if you?re using wine to be able to run some office products or what > but doubt it will help connectivity. > > A supported USB wireless adapter is cheap. You might want to use green > shims to solve this technical problem. > > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=301306 > > > Spencer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:18:59 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:18:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] [External] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got a modern, powerful workstation on my desk at work that runs Solidworks 2020 plus several browser windows, the company's enterprise management software, and a couple spreadsheets wall at once without breaking a sweat. At home, I use remote software over VPN so the iMac is actually just a keyboard and display; all the real processing is getting done on the work machine. But. The iMac is just a 21" monitor and I've got dual 27" / 21" at work, so it is necessary to collapse things down, not run so much at once, etc. It gets annoying trying to figure out new ways to work with limited monitor space. That's one problem. The other problem is everybody and his brother must be streaming Netflix all day, because I've also got latency issues that compound the annoyance. My scheme is to get a second machine going at home, so the iMac/work machine are doing only Solidworks and enterprise mgmt; the browsers and spreadsheets would run on the second machine. Incidentally, we use Libre Office at work, and I use that at home on the iMac as well. Not a fan of Numbers. I was not surprised to find Libre Office bundled with Linux Mint. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:22 PM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > A couple thoughts on this. > > Any reason to not use your iMac? If you don't like Apple Numbers and want > a more Microsoft Excel feeling application you could use Apache's Open > Office. It's free open source software similar to Libre Office. > > As for linux and your USB Wifi adapter. I wonder if running it off a USB > stick is a more limited install that may not have the full compliment of > drivers available? I haven't played with it lately but I had an old D-Link > USB wireless adapter that I thought I'd used with Ubuntu and there weren't > any hoops to jump through. But it's been some time so don't remember > exactly. As others have said, I'd pass it by on the Mint forums and see if > someone there might point you in the right direction. I don't think Wine is > the solution here IMHO. > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:00 PM > *To:* Antique tractor email discussion group > > *Subject:* [External] [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion > > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:25:03 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:25:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to $15 from Amazon. I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the laptop was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it Ethernet? 4 Gb should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old desktop with less than that but I'm not running it as USB but I have ran other Linux on USB like Knoppix without any problems. I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I have a USB WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like yours it is for Windows. . On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler wrote: > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 15:47:04 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 18:47:04 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks farmer. You all are being quite helpful, and I really appreciate it. Imagine my dismay to learn just how novice I really am - I never even considered there was such a thing as a "linux-compatible network adapter" until Spencer and now you mentioned it. Going to see if maybe Staples or Best Buy or whoever else might have one; that way I can drive over there and get it same-day. The company's buying this hardware. Before you ask - they aren't too wild about buying me a whole new laptop, and I don't blame them; at best I might fall into 1/2-1 day per week routine working from home. But incidentals like these, no problem. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to $15 from > Amazon. > I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the laptop > was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it Ethernet? 4 Gb > should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old desktop with less than > that but I'm not running it as USB but I have ran other Linux on USB like > Knoppix without any problems. > I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon > shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I have a USB > WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like yours it is for Windows. > > > . > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off >> a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as >> well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at >> work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit >> annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux >> is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. >> I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine >> under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The >> solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to >> run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't >> full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily >> on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the >> thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? >> Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >> was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if Linux problem solvers are > just careless or if they drink a lot... > I confess to being industrial strength ignorant about those commands but I > constantly see guys arguing about which is correct or informing others > about their typos. > > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:45:47 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 20:45:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> Message-ID: Absolutely correct, Jim. I realized my error on the drive to work, intended to post an update, but work as usual got in the way. I also figured as a first-pass approximation I wasn't off by much. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:14 PM Jim Becker wrote: > Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume > divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided > by chamber volume. > > If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: > > If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R > is the compression ratio: > R = (S + C)/C > R = S/C + 1 > R ? 1 = S/C > (R ? 1) * C = S > C = S/(R ? 1) > > C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 > > A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus > the new compression ratio R1 is: > R1 = S/C1 + 1 > R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 > > Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether > the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a > misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem > unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the > next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. > > I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod > without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by > bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the > deck of the block. > > Jim Becker > > *From:* Stephen Offiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>>> clearances? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, >>>>> but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the >>>>>> liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on >>>>>> upstroke. >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>>> head distress? >>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com >>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>>> mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hfleming at moosebird.net Thu Apr 9 06:51:21 2020 From: hfleming at moosebird.net (Howard Fleming) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 09:51:21 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <692af9b8-556a-1488-b179-ea5579e6ec52@moosebird.net> Just to add my 2 bits to the conversation..... 4 gigs of ram in the laptop should be more than enough for most things (if you leave wine out of the equation).? I am running Debian 10 on a Asus laptop here with 4 gigs, with the OS installed on the hard drive. Another option not mentioned for internet access is if you are near the wifi router, and if it has an ethernet port(s), use an ethernet cable to connect the laptop to the router, there is a better chance that the ethernet interface is support by Linux (Mint, or any other flavor for that matter). As mentioned by others, an adapter directly supported by Linux Mint is a much better option. Only addition I would suggest is to get wifi usb 3.0 adapter, it should handle the 2.0 spec without a problem, and if you do have 3.0 usb port on the laptop, should speed it up considerably (assuming wifi is not your limiting factor.....). *If* you do want to try to use your existing adapter and are looking for specific windows files for the usb adapter that you do have, you may already have the files on the windows laptop you tested the adapter on.? You "should" be able to to find the inf file under c:\windows\inf, and the inf file should name the driver file you will also need, if you decide to try this.? Having done this in the past, I would recommend buying a new adapter. As for farmers comment on the command line, he is probably correct on it holding back Linux on the desktop/mainstream for home use.? In the business world it tends to be more "we are a windows shop mindset" which tends to trickle down to end users.... I personally like the command line for many things, tends to be much faster for many things (including getting yourself in trouble if you enter the wrong command). I run mostly Debian at home for desktop and server use, tho I do have one 15 plus year old Centos 4.2 server still going (isolated from the internet!) that I have been meaning to replace for the last 10 years or so ;o). And the more I learn about Linux, the less I know...... Howard On 4/8/20 6:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Thanks farmer.? You all are being quite helpful, and I really > appreciate it.? Imagine my dismay to learn just how novice I really am > - I never even considered there was such a thing as a > "linux-compatible network adapter" until Spencer and now you mentioned > it.? Going to see if maybe Staples or Best Buy or whoever else might > have one; that way I can drive over there and get it same-day.? The > company's buying this hardware. Before you ask - they aren't too wild > about buying me a whole new laptop, and I don't blame them; at best I > might fall into 1/2-1 day per week routine working from home.? But > incidentals like these, no problem. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM Indiana Robinson > > wrote: > > You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to > $15 from Amazon. > I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the > laptop was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it > Ethernet? 4 Gb should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old > desktop with less than that but I'm not running it as USB but I > have ran other Linux on USB like Knoppix without any problems. > I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon > shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I > have a USB WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like > yours it is for Windows. > > > . > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding > Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success > booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it > aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more > work from home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have > a ton of paperwork as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) > remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at > best.? There are several things I find a bit annoying, and > they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes > with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it > talking to my WiFi at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi > interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) > but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue.? The solution > involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that allows Windows stuff > to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was > out of memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure > as holy heck isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation > off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 > GB.? I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, > but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine > when it was new in 2008.? 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I have since determined that a 50' cable will reach from that closet to my desk, and I'm on my way out to get one. This is really a grand experiment to figure out a solution to working from home. I'm not married to this laptop nor Linux, but they were so close at hand that it was an obvious place to begin. I have to keep reminding myself what the main goal is - to mitigate the annoyances I encountered in my intial work-from-home experience. SO On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:59 AM Howard Fleming wrote: > Just to add my 2 bits to the conversation..... > > 4 gigs of ram in the laptop should be more than enough for most things (if > you leave wine out of the equation). I am running Debian 10 on a Asus > laptop here with 4 gigs, with the OS installed on the hard drive. > > Another option not mentioned for internet access is if you are near the > wifi router, and if it has an ethernet port(s), use an ethernet cable to > connect the laptop to the router, there is a better chance that the > ethernet interface is support by Linux (Mint, or any other flavor for that > matter). > > As mentioned by others, an adapter directly supported by Linux Mint is a > much better option. > > Only addition I would suggest is to get wifi usb 3.0 adapter, it should > handle the 2.0 spec without a problem, and if you do have 3.0 usb port on > the laptop, should speed it up considerably (assuming wifi is not your > limiting factor.....). > > *If* you do want to try to use your existing adapter and are looking for > specific windows files for the usb adapter that you do have, you may > already have the files on the windows laptop you tested the adapter on. > You "should" be able to to find the inf file under c:\windows\inf, and the > inf file should name the driver file you will also need, if you decide to > try this. Having done this in the past, I would recommend buying a new > adapter. > > As for farmers comment on the command line, he is probably correct on it > holding back Linux on the desktop/mainstream for home use. In the business > world it tends to be more "we are a windows shop mindset" which tends to > trickle down to end users.... > > I personally like the command line for many things, tends to be much > faster for many things (including getting yourself in trouble if you enter > the wrong command). > > I run mostly Debian at home for desktop and server use, tho I do have one > 15 plus year old Centos 4.2 server still going (isolated from the > internet!) that I have been meaning to replace for the last 10 years or so > ;o). > > And the more I learn about Linux, the less I know...... > > Howard > > > > > > On 4/8/20 6:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Thanks farmer. You all are being quite helpful, and I really appreciate > it. Imagine my dismay to learn just how novice I really am - I never even > considered there was such a thing as a "linux-compatible network adapter" > until Spencer and now you mentioned it. Going to see if maybe Staples or > Best Buy or whoever else might have one; that way I can drive over there > and get it same-day. The company's buying this hardware. Before you ask - > they aren't too wild about buying me a whole new laptop, and I don't blame > them; at best I might fall into 1/2-1 day per week routine working from > home. But incidentals like these, no problem. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM Indiana Robinson > wrote: > >> You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to $15 from >> Amazon. >> I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the laptop >> was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it Ethernet? 4 Gb >> should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old desktop with less than >> that but I'm not running it as USB but I have ran other Linux on USB like >> Knoppix without any problems. >> I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon >> shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I have a USB >> WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like yours it is for Windows. >> >> >> . >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler >> wrote: >> >>> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >>> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off >>> a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >>> >>> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >>> home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as >>> well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at >>> work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit >>> annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. >>> >>> Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux >>> is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. >>> I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine >>> under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The >>> solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to >>> run under Linux. >>> >>> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >>> memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't >>> full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily >>> on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the >>> thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? >>> Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? >>> >>> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >>> was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) >>> >>> Steve O. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:37:20 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 14:37:20 -0400 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion Message-ID: Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some back-up files on it now. The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. One kind of amazing thing about Linux is how much complex software you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. One good info source is: https://distrowatch.com/ OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit for me that will hold a Ethernet cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and an air line for the basement wood-shop. 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I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of the year it won't be a problem anyway! Best regards, Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 Columbia, Missouri On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... > Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. > "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved > from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning > while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not > harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord > hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for > booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some > back-up files on it now. > The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get > "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. > One kind of amazing thing?about Linux is how much complex software you > can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and > whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. > One good info source is: > https://distrowatch.com/ > > OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop > machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled > closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff > up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something > quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit > for me that will hold a Ethernet?cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and > an air line for the basement wood-shop. > A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed > control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled > water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hank at millerfarm.com Thu Apr 9 12:25:58 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:25:58 -0500 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <68ee9a79-66ca-7195-ad76-50b454b504cf@centurylink.net> References: <68ee9a79-66ca-7195-ad76-50b454b504cf@centurylink.net> Message-ID: If it wasn't such a pain to work with fiber optical cable would be better yet, it avoids ground loop problems and other electrical problems. Also completely immune to lightning. I was hoping to do a similar line to my shop in a year (this summer is booked just solving humidy problems so my tractors don't rust away), but I'm not sure if the virus will affect my bonus which was supposed to supply the cash to do this with. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 14:00, Mark Johnson wrote: > Farmer: > As long as your Ethernet cable is < 300 feet you should be fine...get the best cable you can buy, though. Cat7 shielded cable will cost more but will be much more resistant to electrical noise for a lengthy underground run. > I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of the year it won't be a problem anyway! > Best regards, > Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 > Columbia, Missouri > > On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. >> "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some back-up files on it now. >> The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. >> One kind of amazing thing about Linux is how much complex software you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. >> One good info source is: >> https://distrowatch.com/ >> >> OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit for me that will hold a Ethernet cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and an air line for the basement wood-shop. >> A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hfleming at moosebird.net Thu Apr 9 14:22:35 2020 From: hfleming at moosebird.net (Howard Fleming) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:22:35 -0400 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: <68ee9a79-66ca-7195-ad76-50b454b504cf@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <1509cbce-be7f-7472-89d6-3b67ac92b0ed@moosebird.net> If your home and shop are on different electrical services, it might be worth the effort to pull fiber to avoid the electrical issues mentioned by Henry. I have been looking at monoprice.com for pre made optical cables to run between my house and garage (about 100').? Currently have 2 Cat 5e cables running between the buildings, but I am considering moving my "in house" servers from the basement to the garage to reduce the noise levels. You might want to consider running at least 2 conduits when you do it, its not that much more effort. I ran 1-2", 2-3/4" and 1-1/2" pvc conduits when I buried mine years ago (it is what I had on hand at the time), and wish I had at least another 2" in place now.? I hate digging ditches, but? will be digging another one at some point soon. Howard On 4/9/20 3:25 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > If it wasn't such a pain to work with fiber optical cable would be > better yet, it avoids ground loop problems and other electrical > problems. Also completely immune to lightning. > > I was hoping to do a similar line to my shop in a year (this summer is > booked just solving humidy problems so my tractors don't rust away), > but I'm not sure if the virus will affect my bonus which was supposed > to supply the cash to do this with. > > -- > ? Henry Miller > ? hank at millerfarm.com > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 14:00, Mark Johnson wrote: >> >> Farmer: >> >> As long as your Ethernet cable is < 300 feet you should be fine...get >> the best cable you can buy, though. Cat7 shielded cable will cost >> more but will be much more resistant to electrical noise for a >> lengthy underground run. >> >> I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's >> entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built >> correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through >> the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and >> weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to >> get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of >> the year it won't be a problem anyway! >> >> Best regards, >> Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 >> Columbia, Missouri >> >> >> On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>> Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... >>> Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. >>> "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved >>> from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning >>> while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not >>> harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord >>> hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for >>> booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep >>> some back-up files on it now. >>> The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get >>> "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 >>> years. >>> One kind of amazing thing?about Linux is how much complex software >>> you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells >>> and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. >>> One good info source is: >>> https://distrowatch.com/ >>> >>> OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop >>> machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled >>> closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff >>> up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something >>> quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit >>> for me that will hold a Ethernet?cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line >>> and an air line for the basement wood-shop. >>> A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed >>> control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled >>> water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The radiolink product I use is discontinued, but I think the below is probably what it became. Do your own research before buying: EnGenius Technologies Long Range 11n 5GHz Wireless Bridge/Access Point (ENH500) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M1PM22/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qI5JEbS17B75C I?m done with wires. Everything is wireless. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Howard Fleming wrote: > > ? If your home and shop are on different electrical services, it might be worth the effort to pull fiber to avoid the electrical issues mentioned by Henry. > > I have been looking at monoprice.com for pre made optical cables to run between my house and garage (about 100'). Currently have 2 Cat 5e cables running between the buildings, but I am considering moving my "in house" servers from the basement to the garage to reduce the noise levels. > > You might want to consider running at least 2 conduits when you do it, its not that much more effort. > > I ran 1-2", 2-3/4" and 1-1/2" pvc conduits when I buried mine years ago (it is what I had on hand at the time), and wish I had at least another 2" in place now. I hate digging ditches, but will be digging another one at some point soon. > > Howard > >> On 4/9/20 3:25 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> If it wasn't such a pain to work with fiber optical cable would be better yet, it avoids ground loop problems and other electrical problems. Also completely immune to lightning. >> >> I was hoping to do a similar line to my shop in a year (this summer is booked just solving humidy problems so my tractors don't rust away), but I'm not sure if the virus will affect my bonus which was supposed to supply the cash to do this with. >> >> -- >> Henry Miller >> hank at millerfarm.com >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 14:00, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> Farmer: >>> >>> As long as your Ethernet cable is < 300 feet you should be fine...get the best cable you can buy, though. Cat7 shielded cable will cost more but will be much more resistant to electrical noise for a lengthy underground run. >>> >>> I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of the year it won't be a problem anyway! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 >>> Columbia, Missouri >>> >>> >>> On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>>> Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. >>>> "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some back-up files on it now. >>>> The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. >>>> One kind of amazing thing about Linux is how much complex software you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. >>>> One good info source is: >>>> https://distrowatch.com/ >>>> >>>> OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit for me that will hold a Ethernet cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and an air line for the basement wood-shop. >>>> A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Francis Robinson >>>> aka "farmer" >>>> Central Indiana USA >>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of cgs Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 2:30 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. http://forums.linuxmint.com On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was new in 2008. 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Not as hard as it sounds; there have been various cables run there in the past, and I used an old defunct satellite TV cable to pull my Ethernet thru. The cable itself was donated by the IT guy at work. In order to regain the full portable aspect of the laptop I'm still going to have to tackle the Wifi adapter at some point, but for now it's main task is a secondary workstation in the home-office to roughly approximate the dual-monitor setup I have come to rely upon at work. Whether I do as you suggest and see about getting the existing Netgear device running, or as farmer and Spencer suggest and purchase a compatible one.... well that will depend on my desire for a learning experience. SO On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:30 AM Stuart Harner wrote: > Steve, > > > > Your Linux distro is probably missing the driver for the wireless > hardware. Linux does not detect hardware as well as Windows even though it > gets better all the time. I suspect the age of your laptop has something to > do with it. > > > > Try booting under Windows and getting all the info for the wireless > adaptor written down. Then search the Interwebs for a Linux driver and > instructions on how to install it. This usually isn?t as hard as it sounds. > > > > Another option is to get a wireless extender and wire the laptop to it. So > your connection would be Wireless router----Wireless Extender-----Laptop > (via cable). > > > > *From:* AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] *On Behalf Of * > cgs > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 2:30 PM > *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion > > > > Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, > register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. > *http://forums.linuxmint.com * > > On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > > > Steve O. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 11 20:59:00 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen From szabelski at wildblue.net Sun Apr 12 07:24:42 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Steve, With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder firing: #1 #2. #3 #4 Good luck. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bfallon at whidbey.com Sun Apr 12 07:39:12 2020 From: bfallon at whidbey.com (Bruce Fallon) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:39:12 -0700 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <002c01d610d8$224536b0$66cfa410$@whidbey.com> "A" firing order Bruce Fallon Langley, WA 98260 -----Original Message----- From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:25 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Steve, With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder firing: #1 #2. #3 #4 Good luck. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Apr 12 10:19:45 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Carl, Did you miss the fact that he is working on a JD-A and not an IH?? :-)? On the other hand, all he has to do is bring one cyl on compression and see where the rotor points. The other wire will be easy!?? Hope everyone has the best Ester they can under the circumstances.? Doug T On 4/12/2020 10:24 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Steve, > > With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder firing: > > #1 > > #2. #3 > > #4 > > Good luck. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:29:24 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:29:24 -0500 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: It is the same thing except rather than 1-3-4-2 it is either 1-2-miss-miss or 1-miss-miss-2. Bring it up on #1 TDC then look at the rotor. It will either be pointing at or directly away from #1 on the cap. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: Doug Tallman Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:19 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Carl, Did you miss the fact that he is working on a JD-A and not an IH? :-) On the other hand, all he has to do is bring one cyl on compression and see where the rotor points. The other wire will be easy! Hope everyone has the best Ester they can under the circumstances. Doug T On 4/12/2020 10:24 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Steve, > > With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the > engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the > distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter > clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the > engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for > pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of > rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again > based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The > rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder > firing: > > #1 > #2. #3 > > #4 > > Good luck. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. > The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put > it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up > the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of > throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's > the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good > oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the > cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. > obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: > the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, > and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I > know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting > out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket > under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" > shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off > and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A > shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one > is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 > Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the > sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the > ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly > corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and > grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but > only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal > contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 > next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. > Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the > distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember > which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I > know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. > Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to > assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and > the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. > I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no > dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with > a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little > more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is > moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to > clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse > problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am > running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone > through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his > equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I > absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the > guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be > working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Sun Apr 12 13:21:12 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <960439815.2877217.1586722872804.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Yep, was thinking red, not green!? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question It is the same thing except rather than 1-3-4-2 it is either 1-2-miss-miss or 1-miss-miss-2. Bring it up on #1 TDC then look at the rotor. It will either be pointing at or directly away from #1 on the cap. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: Doug Tallman Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:19 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Carl, Did you miss the fact that he is working on a JD-A and not an IH? :-) On the other hand, all he has to do is bring one cyl on compression and see where the rotor points. The other wire will be easy! Hope everyone has the best Ester they can under the circumstances. Doug T On 4/12/2020 10:24 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Steve, > > With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the > engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the > distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter > clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the > engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for > pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of > rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again > based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The > rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder > firing: > > #1 > #2. #3 > > #4 > > Good luck. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. > The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put > it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up > the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of > throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's > the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good > oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the > cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. > obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: > the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, > and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I > know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting > out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket > under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" > shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off > and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A > shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one > is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 > Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the > sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the > ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly > corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and > grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but > only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal > contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 > next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. > Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the > distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember > which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I > know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. > Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to > assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and > the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. > I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no > dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with > a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little > more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is > moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to > clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse > problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am > running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone > through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his > equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I > absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the > guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be > working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Sun Apr 12 22:30:17 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has tow advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for along time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you cant it to move. Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 11:49:30 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:49:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers Message-ID: Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses a double verification system in order for her to log into her work email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From soffiler at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 12:03:51 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's her birthday, so, what does SHE want? She's got 7 years of comfort-level with that Apple device. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Mon Apr 13 12:44:43 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:44:43 +0000 Subject: [AT] [External] Re: OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I'd kind of follow along this line of thinking as well. What will she get the most benefit from. Just like a tool in the shop, it's not a great value if it does't work when you need it to. Is there anyone you can check with that supports the staff to make sure there aren't requirements for the apps she's using? Most likely there is both an Apple iOS app and a corresponding Google Android app. But that app may have other requirements or dependancies. So it wouldn't hurt to find out what those might be. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:03 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT - Tablet computers It's her birthday, so, what does SHE want? She's got 7 years of comfort-level with that Apple device. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M > wrote: Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses a double verification system in order for her to log into her work email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Mon Apr 13 12:46:30 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114085861.3506167.1586807190570.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> If you know some of the people she works with, ask them what they use and if they have any preferences. I would prefer Apple myself. You don?t need the top of the line I-pad (ie: a gazillion megs of RAM, a gazillion pallet colors, etc.). Once you talk to her coworkers, talk to someone at an Apple store if you want to go Apple, or to a TI person at something like Best Buy if you want to go anything else. Also, Apple used to offer discounts for students, don?t know if they still do. So if she?s taking any classes, she may qualify for a discount, I think it was 10-15%. Only trouble is that she would have to be the one buying the laptop and would have to provide her student ID. That would mean that you would have to take her to the store for her birthday and surprise her in the store. Just make up some story for going there maybe a day or two early. What I did for my wife, was I took my daughter, who was in college at the time, and I used her student ID. I told the Apple worker, it was for her school work and I was paying for it. I also bought it in New Hampshire and there?s no tax there. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: Antique tractor email discussion group Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses a double verification system in order for her to log into her work email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From moscowengnr at outlook.com Mon Apr 13 12:57:38 2020 From: moscowengnr at outlook.com (Dennis Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:57:38 +0000 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, I also like the iPad products. I typically go in and buy the close to the best and largest capacity available at the time. Result is I use them several years, and they are still good when it is time to upgrade. Current version I use is iPadAir2, which was released in 2014, and I probably got mine about a year later. I have a ZAGG keyboard/case for mine, so I use it for most of the basic things I do. I go top my Windows based PC when I need to handle files or attachments. Typically when it is time for me to upgrade, I can hand my old iPad down to some relative, and it has enough capacity where they can use it for several more years. Dennis Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From hank at millerfarm.com Mon Apr 13 13:08:42 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:08:42 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are not many choices. Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, at 13:49, Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From hrpletch at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:33:37 2020 From: hrpletch at gmail.com (Howard Pletcher) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:33:37 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having tried to help a couple people adjust to the differences between an iphone and an android when they swapped, I would give the 7 years of experience a lot of weight. I know I wouldn't dare to try to replace my wife's ipad with anything else, no matter what the cost. Howard On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:35:59 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:35:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exactly what I was thinking when I typed my first reply. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:34 PM Howard Pletcher wrote: > Having tried to help a couple people adjust to the differences between an > iphone and an android when they swapped, I would give the 7 years of > experience a lot of weight. I know I wouldn't dare to try to replace my > wife's ipad with anything else, no matter what the cost. > > Howard > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M wrote: > >> Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My >> wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow >> and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up >> so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's >> what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up >> medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses >> a double verification system in order for her to log into her work >> email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I >> can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to >> stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> Mike M >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > Howard > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kgwaugh0943 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:37:41 2020 From: kgwaugh0943 at gmail.com (Kenneth Gene Waugh) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:37:41 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Today the only tablet I have is an Amazon 10", which I got only because I wanted a tablet but did not want to spend a lot of money. I had an Apple iPad at one time (the very first model they made), and use iPhones yet today. I agree with those who say if she really uses it, is happy with it, the Apple might just be the way to go. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:34 PM Henry Miller wrote: > There are not many choices. > > Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings > have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges > depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay > as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is > targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can > work but might be rough edges. > > I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a > laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. > Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will > break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good > brand. > > There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not > ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... > > Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing > else is there. > > -- > Henry Miller > hank at millerfarm.com > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, at 13:49, Mike M wrote: > > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > > appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Mike M > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- Gene Kenneth Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Mon Apr 13 13:40:19 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. To clarify a couple things: Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor. I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose. However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? The gear is on there tight: I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller. I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have. Any suggestions as to type? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done. Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done. The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. Anyway, I'll keep at it! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has tow advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for along time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you cant it to move. Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 13:42:28 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:42:28 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they just don't play together well. Mike M On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > There are not many choices. > > Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. > > I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. > > There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... > > Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From toma at risingnet.net Mon Apr 13 14:22:17 2020 From: toma at risingnet.net (toma at risingnet.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:22:17 +0300 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_-_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1586812937.363650449@f10.my.com> I have been a Mac user since'89. Never could stand windows. It really pains me to have to use my wife's laptop to do taxes every year. Now I run smartphones that I get on eBay for about $50. I love the Android system. Compatible with everything and will do everything. Maybe you could get your wife a cheap Android phone to play with to see if you could wean her off the iPad. I just run mine on wifi. I hardly need a computer. I have my mom's iPad here but it sits in a drawer discharged and unused. -- Sent from myMail for Android Monday, 13 April 2020, 01:36PM -07:00 from Stephen Offiler soffiler at gmail.com : >Exactly what I was thinking when I typed my first reply. > >SO > >On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:34 PM Howard Pletcher < hrpletch at gmail.com> wrote: >>Having tried to help a couple people adjust to the differences between an iphone and an android when they swapped, I would give the 7 years of experience a lot of weight.? I know I wouldn't dare to try to replace my wife's ipad with anything else, no matter what the cost.?? >> >>Howard >>On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com> wrote: >>>Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My >>>wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow >>>and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up >>>so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's >>>what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up >>>medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses >>>a double verification system in order for her to log into her work >>>email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I >>>can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to >>>stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. 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URL: From claudekyker at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:33:49 2020 From: claudekyker at gmail.com (Claude Kyker) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:33:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71C56F1F-0E43-49E6-9DB5-4625658BDF62@gmail.com> In my opinion, if she is using an iPad, she will be disappointed with anything else. YMMV Claude Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From claudekyker at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:43:37 2020 From: claudekyker at gmail.com (Claude Kyker) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:43:37 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. Claude Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the > way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they > just don't play together well. > > Mike M > > >> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> There are not many choices. >> >> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >> >> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >> >> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >> >> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Mon Apr 13 15:37:28 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:37:28 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70E359D8-D0FB-49D9-A48E-7B96312424D2@rdfarms.com> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: > > ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. > > Claude > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >> just don't play together well. >> >> Mike M >> >> >>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> There are not many choices. >>> >>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>> >>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>> >>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>> >>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 13 17:40:35 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:40:35 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <70E359D8-D0FB-49D9-A48E-7B96312424D2@rdfarms.com> References: <70E359D8-D0FB-49D9-A48E-7B96312424D2@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.?? Note I said Shouldn't................. Cecil On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. > > Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: >> >> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >> >> Claude >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >>> just don't play together well. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>> There are not many choices. >>>> >>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>>> >>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>>> >>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>>> >>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From chuck.tractor at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 19:33:38 2020 From: chuck.tractor at gmail.com (Chuck Bealke) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:33:38 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> References: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> Message-ID: <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and hotels for most of trip. > On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said Shouldn't................. > Cecil > > >> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >> >> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: >>> >>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>> >>> Claude >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >>>> just don't play together well. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>> >>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>>>> >>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>>>> >>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>>>> >>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 20:44:31 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:44:31 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> References: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <794ec9ce-4928-a4b0-3b26-ebc117e9ddb9@gmx.com> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. Mike M On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and hotels for most of trip. > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said Shouldn't................. >> Cecil >> >> >>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>> >>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: >>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>> >>>> Claude >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>>>>> >>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jdnut at aol.com Mon Apr 13 21:21:35 2020 From: jdnut at aol.com (jdnut at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 04:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Brake disassembly References: <1674553830.64635.1586838095518.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1674553830.64635.1586838095518@mail.yahoo.com> Hi,I guess I didn't realize you didn't have the gear off. ?The Service manual for the Model B styled tractor, in my opinion the best of all the service manuals.... shows removing the gear by using a punch on the end of the shaft. ?On my recent exploration on some Deere "BO" brakes, I had that the gear came off with a gentle tap, one I took off with a bearing puller, and two, I did like the Deere "B" service manual shows.... assembly in a vice (mine was actually some wood to kinda keep things in place), the nut loose, on enough to keep the punch off the edge of the shaft...and a big punch and big hammer. ?I used a little propane heat, just because that seems to help... and I was able to get the things loose with no damage. ?The end of the shaft that the punch goes on has a depression to keep from damaging the threads. ? Once you get the drum off, the conical head of the adjustment bolt will be in a little well. ?I used a little heat, then as it cooled, I put penetrating oil in the well, .... did that for 3-6 days... and pretty soon if you leave it overnight, you will see that the oil has run out around the bolt. ?The oil in the well was also helpful in freeing up the little adjustment pins. ?Be careful with those pins.... I haven't seen too many places to get them. ? If I get to my barn tomorrow, I may take some pictures of the service manual and my brake assemblies.? Take care, John MaxwellFerndale CA -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2020 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. To clarify a couple things:? Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor.? I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose.? However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck?? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? The gear is on there tight:? I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller.? I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have.? Any suggestions as to type?? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done.? Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done.? The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. Anyway, I'll keep at it! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" ??? Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground.? Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever.? That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes.? Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the? brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster.? All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod.? When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe?? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has tow advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on.? I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for along time.? Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench.? You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out.? So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough.? Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over,? Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you cant it to move.? Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot.? Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there.? I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force.? If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with.? I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease.? It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world? when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly.? So they rust up big time.? On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in.? #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones.? I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked.? Usually it is more heat.? It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment.? Anticipate severe cases of frustration.? Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter.? He turns over, stiffly.? That's the battery, I'm sure.? The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire.? I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks.? The right side sprayed gas out in a stream.? Well.? obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder.? Two things:? the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl.? I know the float is OK because I checked it.? So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it.? #1 Next item on the purchase list:? Needle and seat.? The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too:? I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it.? The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure.? Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made.? #2 Next item on the purchase list:? a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch.? Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded.? When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one.? This may be why.? and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke.? #3 Next item on the purchase list:? new coil wire.? #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it.? Oh, and a battery.? #5. Now, here's my question:? I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK.? They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom.? My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor.? Right or left on top?? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake.? I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight.? I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet.? I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller.? Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more.? I am leaving it under tension overnight.? I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment.? I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . .? I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale.? It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerpolkaman at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 22:25:30 2020 From: tylerpolkaman at gmail.com (Tyler Juranek) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:25:30 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= Message-ID: Hi Mike, Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer and set it up myself. Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. Good Luck, Tyler Juranek IA On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: > Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain > about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > > Mike M > > On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>> Shouldn't................. >>> Cecil >>> >>> >>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>>> >>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>>> >>>>> Claude >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>>>>> the >>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>>>>> they >>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>>>>>> see... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 02:52:20 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:52:20 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <794ec9ce-4928-a4b0-3b26-ebc117e9ddb9@gmx.com> References: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> <794ec9ce-4928-a4b0-3b26-ebc117e9ddb9@gmx.com> Message-ID: Apple has a "Certified Refurbished" program. I'm seeing $80-100 off many of them and $300 off the 12.9" Pro. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:44 PM Mike M wrote: > Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain > about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > > Mike M > > On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > > Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and > pricey but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good > part of her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged > it along on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and hotels for most of trip. > > > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > wrote: > >> > >> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the > money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her > decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in > the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > Shouldn't................. > >> Cecil > >> > >> > >>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets > as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look > into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you > buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. > >>> > >>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few > months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > wrote: > >>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one > that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have > access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is > available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. > >>>> > >>>> Claude > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is > the > >>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes > they > >>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike M > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are > rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung > might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform > but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a > tablet it can work but might be rough edges. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again > is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the > keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness > and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and > get a good brand. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they > are not ready for real use. 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URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Tue Apr 14 05:38:39 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:38:39 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c3e0e8d-e6f3-49ef-4bae-5f6aa77db889@basicisp.net> I will second Tyler's recommendation of Newegg. I have bought a lot of computer parts and accessories from them since 2000. Always a good price and excellent service. Phil in TX On 4/14/2020 12:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > Hi Mike, > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > and set it up myself. > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > Good Luck, > Tyler Juranek > IA > > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>> Shouldn't................. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>>>> >>>>>> Claude >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 09:24:25 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:24:25 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. Mike M On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > Hi Mike, > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > and set it up myself. > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > Good Luck, > Tyler Juranek > IA > > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>> Shouldn't................. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>>>> >>>>>> Claude >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 09:44:06 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:44:06 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> Message-ID: I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! SO On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M wrote: > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > > Good Luck, > > Tyler Juranek > > IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and > pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good > part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it > along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up > the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her > >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be > changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on > tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to > look > >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you > have > >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple > is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but > there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer > supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push > the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again > is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they > are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we > will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 12:29:44 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> Message-ID: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I > would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I > needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >? ?Good Luck, > >? ?Tyler Juranek > >? ?IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M > > wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her > complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big > and pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a > good part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > lugged it along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > pony up the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > influence her > >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to > be changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > on tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might > want to look > >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal > where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real > cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just > a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or > get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > when you have > >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel > signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > newer Apple is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and > sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > work, but there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants > to push the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be > rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, > it again is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware > lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > admit they are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > year, we will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Tue Apr 14 13:12:34 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:12:34 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> Message-ID: <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some credit on your wife?s current iPad. Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a work Mac. Good luck! Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M wrote: >>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> > Hi Mike, >>> > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell >>> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be >>> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >>> > and set it up myself. >>> > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of >>> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would >>> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed >>> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was >>> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >>> > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go >>> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> > Good Luck, >>> > Tyler Juranek >>> > IA >>> > >>> > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >>> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >>> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >> >>> >> Mike M >>> >> >>> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >>> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >>> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >>> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >>> >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>> >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>> >>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>> Cecil >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>> >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>> >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>> >>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>> >>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>> >>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 13:22:30 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:22:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: I wasn't going to say this, but Spencer basically just did. With Apple you get what you pay for. I have an iMac at home and I'm on my second iPhone in 10 years. They literally never give me a bit of trouble and that's really saying something over a span of 10 years! (7 on the Mac) SO On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:12 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > > Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not be > worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if you buy > from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some credit on > your wife?s current iPad. > > Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad Air, > etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model should be > plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might want to double > check her current usage tho to be sure. She might also start using the > camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. > > Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any devices > she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an adapter. I > guess that can come after the unwrapping. > > As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time and I > have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple products. Sure, > they are expensive. But they?re really good products and Apple is more > likely than any other vendor to support their customers, back their product > and protect your privacy. Those are important things to me. Full > disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a work Mac. > > Good luck! > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't > use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What > model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for > my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M wrote: > >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> > Good Luck, >> > Tyler Juranek >> > IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and >> pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good >> part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it >> along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship >> and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up >> the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >> >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be >> changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on >> tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to >> look >> >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where >> if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you >> have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are >> aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple >> is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but >> there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer >> supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to >> push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it >> again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit >> they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we >> will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet >> get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-3591205772617992727_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use the Internet. Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > First off: ?great gift idea. ? I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > > ?Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > undercut them by much. ?The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > credit on your wife?s current iPad. > > Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. ? ?Might > want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. ? She might > also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. > > Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > adapter. ? I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > > As an aside: ?I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > important things to me. Full disclosure: ?I have a personal Mac and a > work Mac. > > Good luck! > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> > Hi Mike, >>> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> they sell >>> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> I'd be >>> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> computer >>> > and set it up myself. >>> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> December of >>> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> I would >>> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> I needed >>> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> thing was >>> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> have it. >>> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> ready to go >>> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >? ?Good Luck, >>> >? ?Tyler Juranek >>> >? ?IA >>> > >>> > On 4/13/20, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> her complain >>> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >> >>> >> Mike M >>> >> >>> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> big and pricey >>> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >>> a good part of >>> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> lugged it along >>> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> on ship and >>> >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> pony up the >>> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> influence her >>> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> to be changed >>> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>> Cecil >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> on tablets as >>> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> might want to look >>> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> deal where if >>> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? >>> real cheap. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> just a few >>> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> or get one >>> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> when you have >>> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> signal is >>> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> are aware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> and sometimes >>> >>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> powered >>> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> be rough >>> >>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>> year, we will >>> >>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>> tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>> software. >>> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 13:43:40 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I > would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I > needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >? ?Good Luck, > >? ?Tyler Juranek > >? ?IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M > > wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her > complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big > and pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a > good part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > lugged it along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > pony up the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > influence her > >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to > be changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > on tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might > want to look > >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal > where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real > cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just > a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or > get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > when you have > >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel > signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > newer Apple is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and > sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > work, but there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants > to push the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be > rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, > it again is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware > lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > admit they are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > year, we will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 13:48:33 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use the Internet. Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > First off: ?great gift idea. ? I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > > ?Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > undercut them by much. ?The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > credit on your wife?s current iPad. > > Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. ? ?Might > want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. ? She might > also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. > > Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > adapter. ? I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > > As an aside: ?I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > important things to me. Full disclosure: ?I have a personal Mac and a > work Mac. > > Good luck! > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> > Hi Mike, >>> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> they sell >>> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> I'd be >>> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> computer >>> > and set it up myself. >>> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> December of >>> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> I would >>> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> I needed >>> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> thing was >>> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> have it. >>> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> ready to go >>> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >? ?Good Luck, >>> >? ?Tyler Juranek >>> >? ?IA >>> > >>> > On 4/13/20, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> her complain >>> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >> >>> >> Mike M >>> >> >>> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> big and pricey >>> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >>> a good part of >>> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> lugged it along >>> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> on ship and >>> >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> pony up the >>> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> influence her >>> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> to be changed >>> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>> Cecil >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> on tablets as >>> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> might want to look >>> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> deal where if >>> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? >>> real cheap. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> just a few >>> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> or get one >>> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> when you have >>> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> signal is >>> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> are aware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> and sometimes >>> >>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> powered >>> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> be rough >>> >>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>> year, we will >>> >>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>> tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>> software. >>> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Tue Apr 14 13:49:12 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:49:12 +0000 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A__OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_compute?= =?utf-8?q?rs?= In-Reply-To: <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com>, <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: My guess is that Apple isn't going to give you anything for an iPad that's 7 years old. Or at least not likely enough to make it worth the effort to send back in. My old iPhone 4S worked just fine but there isn't a market for it so no trade value from Apple. After her new one is setup and working as expected you may want to erase the old one and see if it performs any better. You may use it for a simple device for other tasks. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:43 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Mike, I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I > would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I > needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > > Good Luck, > > Tyler Juranek > > IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M > > wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her > complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big > and pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a > good part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > lugged it along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > pony up the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > influence her > >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to > be changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > on tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might > want to look > >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal > where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real > cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just > a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or > get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > when you have > >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > newer Apple is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and > sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > work, but there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants > to push the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be > rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, > it again is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware > lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > admit they are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > year, we will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 13:52:47 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:52:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Hi Carl, thanks for checking into that, you are right on the yearly cost since the hospital bought the first one, her yearly costs were very low :). I do have my own I pad but never use it. I used to use it for Facebook, and that was it. Since I dumped Facebook, it just gathers dust. Regards, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. > > If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. > > Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She > doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned > about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the > most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I >> would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I >> needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >? ?Good Luck, >> >? ?Tyler Juranek >> >? ?IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her >> complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big >> and pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a >> good part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> lugged it along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on >> ship and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> pony up the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> influence her >> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to >> be changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> on tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might >> want to look >> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal >> where if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real >> cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just >> a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or >> get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> when you have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> are aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> work, but there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants >> to push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be >> rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, >> it again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware >> lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> admit they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> year, we will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 14:00:01 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <997976272.4351602.1586898001331.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Just noticed that I indicated that the I-pad I priced had 32M. Should actually be 32Gb. Apparently nobody caught that. Also another thing to check on is a company discount, they may offer one to hospitals. When I was working we could get one through the company. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Hi Carl, thanks for checking into that, you are right on the yearly cost since the hospital bought the first one, her yearly costs were very low :). I do have my own I pad but never use it. I used to use it for Facebook, and that was it. Since I dumped Facebook, it just gathers dust. Regards, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. > > If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. > > Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She > doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned > about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the > most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I >> would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I >> needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >? ?Good Luck, >> >? ?Tyler Juranek >> >? ?IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her >> complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big >> and pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a >> good part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> lugged it along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on >> ship and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> pony up the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> influence her >> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to >> be changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> on tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might >> want to look >> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal >> where if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real >> cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just >> a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or >> get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> when you have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> are aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> work, but there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants >> to push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be >> rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, >> it again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware >> lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> admit they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> year, we will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 14:05:20 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <997976272.4351602.1586898001331.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <997976272.4351602.1586898001331.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1415677308.4356394.1586898320212.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, Just thought of one more thing. You said you have a daughter in college, she should be able to get software packages at student discounts. So if you wife needs something, have your daughter check into it. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Just noticed that I indicated that the I-pad I priced had 32M. Should actually be 32Gb. Apparently nobody caught that. Also another thing to check on is a company discount, they may offer one to hospitals. When I was working we could get one through the company. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Hi Carl, thanks for checking into that, you are right on the yearly cost since the hospital bought the first one, her yearly costs were very low :). I do have my own I pad but never use it. I used to use it for Facebook, and that was it. Since I dumped Facebook, it just gathers dust. Regards, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. > > If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. > > Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She > doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned > about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the > most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I >> would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I >> needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >? ?Good Luck, >> >? ?Tyler Juranek >> >? ?IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her >> complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big >> and pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a >> good part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> lugged it along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on >> ship and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> pony up the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> influence her >> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to >> be changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> on tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might >> want to look >> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal >> where if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real >> cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just >> a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or >> get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> when you have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> are aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> work, but there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants >> to push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be >> rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, >> it again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware >> lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> admit they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> year, we will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Tue Apr 14 14:38:30 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:38:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 14:46:30 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:46:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>> year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>> tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>> antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>> software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> > >>> > >>> < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com > >>> < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > >>> > >>> > >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 19:39:39 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something? https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 Thank-you, Mike M On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much > as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel > well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes > home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my > iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs > Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate > screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux > Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in > 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I > was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it > for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is > slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me > ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The > older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the > layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops > that the group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the > latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting > all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t > have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our > internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do > offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. > I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with > Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though > superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better > product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the > fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see > an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and > had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy > crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I > wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their > partners can?t > >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg > may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In > addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least > get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera > has gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good > products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac > and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute > latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that > I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the > Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>>? ? Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>>? ? they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>>? ? I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>>? ? computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>>? ? December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>>? ? I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>>? ? I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I > host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books > for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>>? ? thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would > check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>>? ? have it. > >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>>? ? ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>>? ? Good Luck, > >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek > >>>>>? ? IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>>? ? her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they > spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>>? ? big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent > >>>>? ? a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>>? ? lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>>? ? on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>>? ? > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>>? ? pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>>? ? influence her > >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>>? ? to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I > said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>>? ? on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>>? ? might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>>? ? deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>>? ? real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>>? ? just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>? ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>>? ? or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>>? ? when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>>? ? signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>>? ? are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>>? ? newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>>? ? and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>>? ? tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>>? ? work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>>? ? manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>>? ? wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>>? ? powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>>? ? be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>>? ? line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>>? ? detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>>? ? hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>>? ? extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>>? ? admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>>? ? year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>>? ? tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>>? ? antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>>? ? software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? -- > >>>>? ? 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URL: From swilliams268 at frontier.com Tue Apr 14 21:29:55 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 00:29:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E968DC3.6080407@frontier.com> Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com Being a medical related outfit they are likely running EPIC for the access and such. It will connect to both Windows and Mac browsers but requires extra work on the Mac. Personally I'd opt for one of the convertible windows machines that can be used as a laptop or a tablet. That allows the use of easily compatible programs as most businesses run windows machines so getting answers about problems is easier as well. -- Steve W. From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 21:44:05 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 00:44:05 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <5E968DC3.6080407@frontier.com> References: <5E968DC3.6080407@frontier.com> Message-ID: <9686901c-f56f-f007-2b8f-dfe125a9b6fb@gmx.com> Yes, they do run EPIC. On 4/15/2020 12:29 AM, Steve W. wrote: > Mike M wrote: >> Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My >> wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow >> and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up >> so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's >> what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up >> medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses >> a double verification system in order for her to log into her work >> email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I >> can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to >> stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> Mike M >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > Being a medical related outfit they are likely running EPIC for the > access and such. It will connect to both Windows and Mac browsers but > requires extra work on the Mac. > Personally I'd opt for one of the convertible windows machines that > can be used as a laptop or a tablet. That allows the use of easily > compatible programs as most businesses run windows machines so getting > answers about problems is easier as well. > From deanvp at att.net Tue Apr 14 23:18:57 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 23:18:57 -0700 Subject: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <004701d612ed$c01ddce0$405996a0$@att.net> Steve, Yes, what is necessary is to remove stuff around the brake components so you can get to the parts that are stuck. The brake drum should slide off of the brake pads so that you get the drum and big shaft off. Can you get the brake linings to move in and out when you move the brake pedal back and forth. If so then you want to have the brake pedal in the position where it puts no pressure on the brake drums. Then the drum should slide off fairly easy. But most often the brake linings are also interfering with the drum because the adjustment mechanism is rusted tight. So you need to get the drum off with the shaft out by doing what you need to do to free the linings from the drum. You can't get to what is rusted stuck until you get the drum off. Kind of a catch 22. Can you get anything between the linings and drum to break them loose? I hate to tell you this but sometimes they are so stuck to the drum that the linings become disposable. Somehow you need to be able to get the linings loose enough so the shaft and drum will slip out. Getting the pinion gear off the big shaft can be a bear at times. If the lining is stuck to the drum everything works against you. My first way to get the gear loose is to loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the shaft. Then I take a BFH with a plate protecting the end of the shaft and give it the biggest whack I can muster, Maybe more than one if necessary. If that doesn't work them you will have to use a puller. There is a video on the web that shows a good type of puller to use. You may have one or you may need to rent one or fabricate something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OATNWzjs15g Just remember to get everything apart from the brake assembly before you try to loosen rusted tight parts. First remove the brake shoes. Be careful to not bend the edges of the slots at the ends of the pins. The adjusting pin on the end of the brake pedal shaft needs to be removed and loosened up. The adjusting pins that are moved by the adjusting bolt need to be loosened and removed. Then and only then can you try to remove the adjuster bolt. Yes I am saying that after heating up the casting all the way around the adjuster bolt hit the square end of the adjuster bolt with another one of those big whacks as hard as you can muster. What you are trying to do is break the rust bond on the threads. Once you think you have done that, heat the casting all around the adjusting bolt again and then try to turn it. If you get the casting hot enough you will be able to turn it. Once you get it to move you are on the road to home. Once you get the drum off of the brake linings I think you will get an immediate idea of how the brake works and the parts that need to be loosened up and then removed. Believe it or not the adjusting bolt will probably be the last item. In my previous comments I never thought that you might not yet have the drum and big shaft out. All of my suggestions were worthless until that happens. The world doesn't come to an end if you have to ruin the linings to get the drum off. Just more work and expense. I have found that taking a lighter hammer and tapping all around the drum will sometimes break the rust bond between the drum and the linings. If everything was rusted tight when the brake pedal was depressed and locked you could have a challenge getting them apart. The problem is you have to get them loose enough from the drum to get the shaft out and even possibly enough play to get the big nut loose. If pulling the brake pedal all the way back doesn't loosen them up the internal adjusting pins are also rusted. I would expect that. Beat on the drum and make music while trying to break the linings loose from the drum. Hope this helps. BTW, the next one will be a lot easier! ? Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:40 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. To clarify a couple things: Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor. I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose. However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? The gear is on there tight: I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller. I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have. Any suggestions as to type? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done. Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done. The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. Anyway, I'll keep at it! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has two advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for a long time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you can get it it to move. Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 04:33:52 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:33:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Short answer, cellular capability and memory. SO On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:39 PM Mike M wrote: > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and > Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the >> group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >> any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >> gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>> year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>> antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>> software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon >> > >> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link >> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 15 05:22:47 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:22:47 -0500 Subject: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <004701d612ed$c01ddce0$405996a0$@att.net> References: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <004701d612ed$c01ddce0$405996a0$@att.net> Message-ID: <1557c9fb-93d0-182e-af54-a4ca00c2bc63@copper.net> I would like to add something to Dean's very good advice.? I use an air hammer with a blank bit, or one with a big flat head on it to vibrate rust loose on corroded items.? The vibration of an air hammer will move things that a sledge won't.??? This is what I use for everything from loosening brake drums to driving A-frame bushings to sickle rivets: https://www.yardstore.com/riveting/pneumatic-tools/rivet-guns/new/acat-9x-rivet-gun It does require a bushing from the standard .401 shank to the .498.? This company also has some very powerful .401 shank hammers.? An industrial riveter hits harder than an air hammer. If you want to stay with the .401 shank, then get the highest number X with a .401 shank. Cecil On 4/15/2020 1:18 AM, deanvp at att.net wrote: > Steve, > > Yes, what is necessary is to remove stuff around the brake components so you can get to the parts that are stuck. The brake drum should slide off of the brake pads so that you get the drum and big shaft off. Can you get the brake linings to move in and out when you move the brake pedal back and forth. If so then you want to have the brake pedal in the position where it puts no pressure on the brake drums. Then the drum should slide off fairly easy. But most often the brake linings are also interfering with the drum because the adjustment mechanism is rusted tight. So you need to get the drum off with the shaft out by doing what you need to do to free the linings from the drum. You can't get to what is rusted stuck until you get the drum off. Kind of a catch 22. Can you get anything between the linings and drum to break them loose? I hate to tell you this but sometimes they are so stuck to the drum that the linings become disposable. Somehow you need to be able to get the linings loose enough so the shaft and drum will slip out. Getting the pinion gear off the big shaft can be a bear at times. If the lining is stuck to the drum everything works against you. My first way to get the gear loose is to loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the shaft. Then I take a BFH with a plate protecting the end of the shaft and give it the biggest whack I can muster, Maybe more than one if necessary. If that doesn't work them you will have to use a puller. There is a video on the web that shows a good type of puller to use. You may have one or you may need to rent one or fabricate something. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OATNWzjs15g > > Just remember to get everything apart from the brake assembly before you try to loosen rusted tight parts. First remove the brake shoes. Be careful to not bend the edges of the slots at the ends of the pins. The adjusting pin on the end of the brake pedal shaft needs to be removed and loosened up. The adjusting pins that are moved by the adjusting bolt need to be loosened and removed. Then and only then can you try to remove the adjuster bolt. Yes I am saying that after heating up the casting all the way around the adjuster bolt hit the square end of the adjuster bolt with another one of those big whacks as hard as you can muster. What you are trying to do is break the rust bond on the threads. Once you think you have done that, heat the casting all around the adjusting bolt again and then try to turn it. If you get the casting hot enough you will be able to turn it. Once you get it to move you are on the road to home. > > Once you get the drum off of the brake linings I think you will get an immediate idea of how the brake works and the parts that need to be loosened up and then removed. Believe it or not the adjusting bolt will probably be the last item. > > In my previous comments I never thought that you might not yet have the drum and big shaft out. All of my suggestions were worthless until that happens. The world doesn't come to an end if you have to ruin the linings to get the drum off. Just more work and expense. I have found that taking a lighter hammer and tapping all around the drum will sometimes break the rust bond between the drum and the linings. If everything was rusted tight when the brake pedal was depressed and locked you could have a challenge getting them apart. The problem is you have to get them loose enough from the drum to get the shaft out and even possibly enough play to get the big nut loose. If pulling the brake pedal all the way back doesn't loosen them up the internal adjusting pins are also rusted. I would expect that. Beat on the drum and make music while trying to break the linings loose from the drum. > > Hope this helps. > > BTW, the next one will be a lot easier! ? > > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:40 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 > > Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. > > To clarify a couple things: > Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor. I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose. However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. > Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. > > You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? > > The gear is on there tight: I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller. I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have. Any suggestions as to type? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! > > And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done. Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done. The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. > > Anyway, I'll keep at it! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. > > Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. > All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. > > I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. > > Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? > Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that > apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component > of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. > But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has two advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for a long time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. > > So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then > of the adjuster shaft to see if you can get it it to move. Then go back and go > through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. > The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil > in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. > Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond > and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If > you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. > > The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight > to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that > go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. > What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake > assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put > "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture > getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. > > Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a > few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time > because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it > is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will > feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. > The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 15 06:47:55 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <452621615.4791135.1586958475926.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, The main differences in prices are the amount of Gb and whether you?re getting wi-if or wi-for plus cellular. Unit color doesn?t make a difference. You can select any of the choices and see a complete list of what?s included. The I-pad I priced at Apple.com yesterday, 32Gb and wi-if only, was $329. The same I-pad at the U of M website is $299, so about 10% student discount. I also noticed that they also have a trade-in offer, but I don?t think there be any major difference from what you would get directly from Apple, it?s probably the same offer from Apple. I?m sure that they're basically an Apple authorized dealer that deals directly with the U of M students, and are located on campus in the school bookstore. Now the question is, if you take advantage of the trade in, do you have to surrender you wife?s I-pad when you pick up the new one, or are you given a week or so to bring it in? Could make getting the new I-pad ahead of her birthday a little difficult. Of course you daughter would have to make the purchase since they more than likely would tell you that they can only deal with students. Maybe you could call them and tell it?s for you daughter?s birthday, then you and her could go together to get it. Carl ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something? https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 Thank-you, Mike M On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much > as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel > well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes > home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my > iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs > Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate > screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux > Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in > 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I > was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it > for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is > slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me > ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The > older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the > layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops > that the group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the > latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting > all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t > have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our > internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do > offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. > I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with > Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though > superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better > product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the > fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see > an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and > had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy > crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I > wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their > partners can?t > >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg > may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In > addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least > get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera > has gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good > products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac > and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute > latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that > I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the > Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>>? ? Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>>? ? they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>>? ? I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>>? ? computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>>? ? December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>>? ? I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>>? ? I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I > host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books > for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>>? ? thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would > check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>>? ? have it. > >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>>? ? ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>>? ? Good Luck, > >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek > >>>>>? ? IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>>? ? her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they > spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>>? ? big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent > >>>>? ? a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>>? ? lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>>? ? on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>>? ? > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>>? ? pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>>? ? influence her > >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>>? ? to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I > said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>>? ? on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>>? ? might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>>? ? deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>>? ? real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>>? ? just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>? ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>>? ? or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>>? ? when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>>? ? signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>>? ? are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>>? ? newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>>? ? and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>>? ? tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>>? ? work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>>? ? manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>>? ? wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>>? ? powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>>? ? be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>>? ? line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>>? ? detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>>? ? hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>>? ? extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>>? ? admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>>? ? year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>>? ? tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>>? ? antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>>? ? software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? -- > >>>>? ? 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I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something? https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 Thank-you, Mike M On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much > as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel > well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes > home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my > iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs > Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate > screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux > Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in > 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I > was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it > for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is > slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me > ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The > older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the > layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops > that the group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the > latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting > all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t > have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our > internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do > offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. > I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with > Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though > superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better > product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the > fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see > an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and > had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy > crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I > wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their > partners can?t > >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg > may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In > addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least > get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera > has gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good > products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac > and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute > latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that > I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the > Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>>? ? Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>>? ? they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>>? ? I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>>? ? computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>>? ? December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>>? ? I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>>? ? I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I > host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books > for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>>? ? thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would > check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>>? ? have it. > >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>>? ? ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>>? ? Good Luck, > >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek > >>>>>? ? IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>>? ? her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they > spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>>? ? big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent > >>>>? ? a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>>? ? lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>>? ? on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>>? ? > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>>? ? pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>>? ? influence her > >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>>? ? to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I > said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>>? ? on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>>? ? might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>>? ? deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>>? ? real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>>? ? just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>? ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>>? ? or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>>? ? when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>>? ? signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>>? ? are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>>? ? newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>>? ? and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>>? ? tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>>? ? work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>>? ? manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>>? ? wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>>? ? powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>>? ? be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>>? ? line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>>? ? detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>>? ? hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>>? ? extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>>? ? admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>>? ? year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>>? ? tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>>? ? antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>>? ? software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? -- > >>>>? ? 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Mike M On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset > and Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >> was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >> offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >> I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >> Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >> product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >> fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >> an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >> had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >> crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >> may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >> get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >> has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >> products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >> and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >> latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >> I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >> host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >> for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >> check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >> spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >> said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>? ? AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>>? ? Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 15 08:27:30 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> Message-ID: <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, Has another thought regrading the trade in. I Believe you said that you have an old I-pad that you don?t really use. You may want to consider trading that one in and then keeping your wife?s I-pad for yourself if it?s newer than yours. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. Mike M On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset > and Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >> was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >> offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >> I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >> Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >> product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >> fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >> an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >> had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >> crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >> may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >> get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >> has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >> products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >> and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >> latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >> I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >> host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >> for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >> check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >> spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >> said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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I Believe you said that you have an old I-pad that you don?t really use. > You may want to consider trading that one in and then keeping your wife?s I-pad for yourself if it?s newer than yours. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. > > Mike M > > >> On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Mike, >> >> Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. >> >> Carl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike M >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild >> differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset >> and Co-processor, am I missing something? >> >> https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 >> >> Thank-you, >> Mike M >> >> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much >>> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >>> well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >>> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my >>> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux >>> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >>> 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >>> was productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it >>> for my daighter From meulenms at gmx.com Wed Apr 15 08:49:56 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:49:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <6f67168d-13a4-571e-f9de-8865dd4bdae5@gmx.com> I think mine is actually a little newer, so I'll check to see what the trade is in on that. Mike M On 4/15/2020 11:27 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Has another thought regrading the trade in. I Believe you said that you have an old I-pad that you don?t really use. > You may want to consider trading that one in and then keeping your wife?s I-pad for yourself if it?s newer than yours. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. > > Mike M > > > On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Mike, >> >> Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. >> >> Carl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike M >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild >> differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset >> and Co-processor, am I missing something? >> >> https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 >> >> Thank-you, >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >>> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >>> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >>> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >>> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >>> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >>> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >>> was productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >>> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >>> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >>> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >>> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >>> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >>> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >>> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >>> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >>> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >>> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >>> offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >>> I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >>> Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >>> superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >>> product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >>> fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >>> an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >>> had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >>> crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >>> wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >>> partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >>> may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >>> addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >>> get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >>> has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >>> products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >>> and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >>> latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >>> I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> >>> >>>> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >>> Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >>> host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >>> for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >>> check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >>> spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >>> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >>> said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>> >>>>? ? year, we will >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>> >>>>? ? tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>> >>>>? ? software. >>> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> > >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? -- >>> >>>>? ? 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Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 15 13:13:43 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> Message-ID: <502474938.5109100.1586981623335.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, I checked to see what my I-pad would be worth in trade in: Apple.com - $50 U of M. - $45 I have an I-pad Air, which is one of the higher level I-pads. Also noticed that the trade in through U of M had a list to scroll through and apparently only takes certain I-pads and I-phones. Apple didn?t show a list, they just asked for the serial number of my I-pad. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. Mike M On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset > and Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >> was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >> offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >> I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >> Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >> product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >> fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >> an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >> had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >> crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >> may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >> get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >> has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >> products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >> and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >> latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >> I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >> host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >> for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >> check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >> spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >> said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. See, I told you a long time ago that you would like Linux. :-) :-) . -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 17:05:10 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:05:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] O.T. - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will acknowledge that 100% farmer! You are definitely one of, if not THE, primary people who put the bug in my ear! SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:02 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > Snip > I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of > the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. > I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > See, I told you a long time ago that you would like Linux. :-) :-) > > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Wed Apr 15 17:10:56 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:10:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>> year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>> antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>> software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 03:52:49 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 06:52:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the >> group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >> any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >> gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 04:59:10 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:59:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at > Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something > like that during initial?startup in order to point to the thumb rather > than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually > learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS > into RAM.? You can do what looks like work straight from there, but > anything you do is lost on power-down.? I eventually decided to > install and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has been wonky in > the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even > recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at > all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will > be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and > dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > > wrote: >> >> ? >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as >> much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they >> don't travel well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all >> the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be >> on the floor.? At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns >> workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management >> software.? It left me wanting a separate screen for email, >> spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate >> Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it >> works like a?charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >> productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought >> it for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older >> one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer >> programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one >> runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky.? That >> started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running >> windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older >> laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have >> the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and >> getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, >> and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have >> to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any >> cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if >> they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can >> use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college >> with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most >> software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a >> better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason >> my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad >> blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to >> the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and >> rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day >> and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. >> Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at >> Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At >> least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad >> Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 >> GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the >> camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? >> ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the >> camera has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she >> has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on >> getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a >> long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really >> good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support >> their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. >> Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal >> Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I >> have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I >> buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the >> absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature >> that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing >> speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want >> an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't >> know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my >> buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I >> thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I >> thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was >> in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but >> I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the >> books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the >> same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I >> would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 >> out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to >> do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a >> love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are >> they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought >> it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has >> spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. >> Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and >> had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August >> is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete >> or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? >> ?Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have >> specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI >> only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only >> is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used >> anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making >> sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and >> so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops >> and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but >> might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet >> when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it >> wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the >> enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually >> change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people >> with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 06:10:59 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:10:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as >> possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) >> I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me >> and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the >> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >> management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, >> spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on >> a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. >> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> wrote: >> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >>> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >>> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >>> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >>> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that >>> the group has me convinced I should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >>> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >>> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >>> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >>> any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, >>> would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I >>> can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if >>> I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >>> gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >>> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg >>> site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> >>>> they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> >>>> I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> >>>> computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> >>>> December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> >>>> I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> >>>> I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> >>>> thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> >>>> have it. >>> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>> ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >>>>> Good Luck, >>> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>> IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> >>>> her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> >>>> big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>> >>>> a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> >>>> lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>> on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> >>>> pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> >>>> influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> >>>> to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> >>>> on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> >>>> might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> >>>> deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>> >>>> real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> >>>> just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>> or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> >>>> when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> >>>> signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> >>>> are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> >>>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> >>>> and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> >>>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> >>>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> >>>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> >>>> powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> >>>> be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> >>>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> >>>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> >>>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> >>>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Thu Apr 16 06:40:14 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:40:14 +0000 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A__OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_compute?= =?utf-8?q?rs?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com>, Message-ID: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 07:56:16 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:56:16 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <337194b8-9edc-365d-d220-76b67f438767@gmail.com> You can buy a 120 GB SSD for about $25, a very good investment. On 4/16/20 9:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie.? You're another strong member > of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to > work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach.? > 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data > storage is on the work?servers.? I don't store a lot of data in any > event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB > free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking >> at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or >> something like that during initial?startup in order to point to >> the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually >> learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the >> OS into RAM.? You can do what looks like work straight from >> there, but anything you do is lost on power-down.? I eventually >> decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has >> been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and >> dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might >> not have been the HD at all.? As yet I haven't really customized >> the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start >> over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from >>> home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC >>> guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work >>> flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in >>> the shop to be on the floor.? At home my iMac becomes the >>> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting >>> a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? >>> I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop >>> that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like >>> a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >>> productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We >>> bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work >>> one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot >>> of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >>> only? the new one runs with no issues. The older one is >>> slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the layer >>> firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older >>> laptops that the group has me convinced I should try >>> linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t >>> have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running >>> slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have >>> newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >>> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish >>> since we can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up >>> greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, >>> if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we >>> can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a >>> better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party >>> ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due >>> to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and >>> rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, >>> I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea. ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save >>> at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. >>> At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an >>> iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. >>> 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the >>> camera.? ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good >>> the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. >>> If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check >>> on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living >>> for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to >>> use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a >>> personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. >>> I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck >>> if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the >>> absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I >>> want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished >>> and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I >>> don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my >>> buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can >>> go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump >>> ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer >>> was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do >>> the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I >>> needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought >>> the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I >>> would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would >>> bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver >>> 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I >>> just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I >>> have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man >>> are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of >>> things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) >>> and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in >>> August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't >>> try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault. ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might >>> have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just >>> heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was >>> free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal >>> comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get >>> ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI >>> only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used >>> anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones >>> and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there >>> feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft >>> surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot >>> of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it >>> wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the >>> enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 07:57:52 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:57:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <033d18bd-dc3a-ec50-b633-07431e93c52b@gmail.com> Right! We use and re-use old tractors....so why not old computers. On 4/16/20 9:40 AM, Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially > laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like > most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under > $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie.? You're another strong member > of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to > work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach.? > 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data > storage is on the work?servers.? I don't store a lot of data in any > event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB > free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking >> at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or >> something like that during initial?startup in order to point to >> the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually >> learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the >> OS into RAM.? You can do what looks like work straight from >> there, but anything you do is lost on power-down.? I eventually >> decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has >> been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and >> dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might >> not have been the HD at all.? As yet I haven't really customized >> the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start >> over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from >>> home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC >>> guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work >>> flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in >>> the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the >>> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a >>> separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I >>> installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that >>> was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a?charm.? >>> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it >>> the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We >>> bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work >>> one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot >>> of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >>> only? the new one runs with no issues. The older one is >>> slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the layer >>> firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older >>> laptops that the group has me convinced I should try >>> linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t >>> have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running >>> slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have >>> newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >>> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish >>> since we can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up >>> greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, >>> if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we >>> can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a >>> better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party >>> ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due >>> to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and >>> rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, >>> I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea. ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save >>> at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. >>> At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an >>> iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. >>> 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the >>> camera.? ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good >>> the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. >>> If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check >>> on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living >>> for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to >>> use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a >>> personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. >>> I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck >>> if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the >>> absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I >>> want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished >>> and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I >>> don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my >>> buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can >>> go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump >>> ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer >>> was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do >>> the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I >>> needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought >>> the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I >>> would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would >>> bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver >>> 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I >>> just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I >>> have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man >>> are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of >>> things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) >>> and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in >>> August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't >>> try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might >>> have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just >>> heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was >>> free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal >>> comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get >>> ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI >>> only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used >>> anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones >>> and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there >>> feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft >>> surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot >>> of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it >>> wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the >>> enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 07:58:27 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:58:27 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. > Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. > (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 > and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of > the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work > around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is > a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on > the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked > at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being > OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>> year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>> tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>> antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>> software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> > >>> > >>> < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com > >>> < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > >>> > >>> > >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Thu Apr 16 08:05:59 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:05:59 +0000 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> , Message-ID: Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may be out of luck if it's too old. It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to mounting the drive internally. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad ________________________________ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 08:10:30 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:10:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71efde94-818e-97bf-80b8-b3d11012c412@gmail.com> If you are lucky the SSD will plug into an extra SATA connector on the motherboard. Such internal setup is far better than plugging into an external port. I've even velcro'd SSDs in place when there was no drive bay available. We are brave people: we work on tractors so a computer is no challenge! There are many tutorials for this process; do it and feel proud. On 4/16/20 10:58 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes.? My question is how the SSD's > connect.? USB?? If so,? do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially > laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like > most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for > under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make > it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call > a form of recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie. You're another strong > member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? > I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but > if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the > right approach.? 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work > on the laptop, so data storage is on the work?servers.? I don't > store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home > use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and > apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm >> looking at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to >> F12 or something like that during initial?startup in order to >> point to the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I >> eventually learned it was actually just loading an >> installable copy of the OS into RAM.? You can do what looks >> like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on >> power-down.? I eventually decided to install and partition my >> HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right >> now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall >> what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at >> all.? As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so >> it will be no big deal to go back and start over, >> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to >>> work?from home as much as possible, which is tough when >>> you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just >>> reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home >>> with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At >>> home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns >>> workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >>> management software.? It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I >>> installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop >>> that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like >>> a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >>> productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? >>> We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new >>> work one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not >>> run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. >>> Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. >>> The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with >>> some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running >>> windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 >>> older laptops that the group has me convinced I >>> should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, >>> szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she >>> doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s >>> probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >>> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have >>> that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get >>> our internet through a dish since we can?t get any >>> cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before >>> we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >> > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up >>> I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account >>> we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple >>> is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third >>> party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster >>> due to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, >>> and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups >>> everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might >>> save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take >>> trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is >>> an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you >>> need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use >>> the camera. ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure. ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how >>> good the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the >>> years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to >>> check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the >>> unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a >>> living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance >>> to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have >>> a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that >>> way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer >>> buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need >>> the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now >>> I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple >>> refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? >>> I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One >>> of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I >>> can go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. >>> Jump ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new >>> computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, >>> do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything >>> I needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and >>> bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it >>> now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I >>> would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the >>> Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is >>> coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. >>> I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but >>> man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds >>> of things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my >>> advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage >>> in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and >>> don't try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier >>> might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I >>> just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad >>> was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the >>> deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s >>> iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to >>> get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. >>> WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be >>> used anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are >>> phones and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite >>> there feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the >>> specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the >>> Microsoft surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a >>> lot of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look >>> at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even >>> the enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 08:10:09 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:10:09 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA rings a big bell. SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell > Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case > and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD > on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less > than 15 minute job on mine. > > Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to > remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may > be out of luck if it's too old. > > It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it > like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to > mounting the drive internally. > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's > connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. > Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. > (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 > and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of > the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work > around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is > a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on > the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked > at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being > OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From hank at millerfarm.com Thu Apr 16 08:14:36 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80781c51-d4ff-44c8-8ee7-f010668388ef@www.fastmail.com> That is like asking how a plow attaches to your tractor. Without knowing if you have a 3 point, tow behind, fast hitch, or one of the million other ideas engineers have come up with over the years. If you have the same connector on both ends it works. If not sometimes you can get an adapter sometimes not. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, at 09:58, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: >> An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). >> >> SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. >> >> So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? >> >> Brad >> >> >> *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM >> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. >> >> Thanks again, >> SO >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: >>> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! >>> >>> >>> On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> Hi Bob: >>>> >>>> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >>>> >>>> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >>>> >>>> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >>>> >>>> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. >>>> >>>> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Mike, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> > From: Mike M >>>>>>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >>>>>>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >>>>>>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >>>>>>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >>>>>>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >>>>>>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >>>>>>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >>>>>>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >>>>>>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >>>>>>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >>>>>>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >>>>>>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >>>>>>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >>>>>>> > the Internet. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>> > Mike M >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >>>>>>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >>>>>>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >>>>>>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >>>>>>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >>>>>>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >>>>>>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >>>>>>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >>>>>>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >>>>>>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >>>>>>> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >>>>>>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >>>>>>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >>>>>>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >>>>>>> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >>>>>>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >>>>>>> >> work Mac. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Good luck! >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Spencer >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>>>>>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>>>>>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>>>>>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>>>>>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>>>>>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> SO >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>>>>> >>>> they sell >>>>>>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>>>> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>>>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>>>>> >>>> I'd be >>>>>>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>>>>> >>>> computer >>>>>>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>>>>> >>>> December of >>>>>>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>>>>> >>>> I would >>>>>>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>>>>> >>>> I needed >>>>>>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>>>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>>>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>>>>> >>>> thing was >>>>>>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>>>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>>>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>>>>> >>>> have it. >>>>>>> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>>>>> >>>> ready to go >>>>>>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>>>> >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>>>> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>>>> >>>>> IA >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>>>>> >>>> her complain >>>>>>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>>>>> >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>>>>> >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>>>>> >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>>>>> >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>>>>> >>>> pony up the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>>>>> >>>> influence her >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>>>>> >>>> to be changed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>>>>> >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>>>>> >>>> might want to look >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>>>>> >>>> deal where if >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>>>>> >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>>>>> >>>> just a few >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>>>>> >>>> or get one >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>>>>> >>>> when you have >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>>>>> >>>> signal is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>>>>> >>>> are aware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>>>>> >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>>>>> >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>>>>> >>>> tablet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>>>>> >>>> work, but there >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>>>>> >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>>>>> >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>>>>> >>>> powered >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>>>>> >>>> be rough >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>>>>> >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>>>>> >>>> detach the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>>>>> >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>>>>> >>>> extra for >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>>>>> >>>> admit they are >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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Tired of trying to get all the ducks in a row in the garage on a make-shift workbench, my son and I cleared off the heavy-duty one in the shop this morning (I took a day off to use the good weather--back to rain tomorrow). Then, we got the unit mounted in the big vice. A few hits with Dean's BFH on the end of the gear puller, popped that puppy loose. Then holding a block of wood over the end of the shaft, a few more hits started the drum moving. Once past the edge of the casting, a pry bar applied evening pressure while a few more taps got the drum almost completely off the shoes. Then, a couple more taps with a big drift, and the shaft was loose and the drum off! Woo-hoo!! A little judicious prying got the shoes off, and the pedal shaft came right on out. One of the adjuster pins slid out with fingers; the other with just a little persuasion with a pair of pliers. Before dragging the torch in, I thought I'd see if a little bit of impact wrench might start the adjuster moving. Pulled the trigger, and--BUUUZZZZZZ--it spun right out! As Dean suggested: I don't understand what the heck the hold-up was. Everything came out VERY easily. the linings are cracked, but they aren't even worn down very much. [Scratches head.] I have to humbly thank all who have contributed so far. I did consult the B manual as suggested, and I followed all the good advice given about techniques. I think I could salvage everything except the shoe linings, but I want this thing in use ASAP, so I ordered a complete hardware and shoe set from Steiner tractor. A little pricey, but time is money is time. I will try to clean up the old hardware and save it for spares, and I want to clean up inside all the holes in the casting where the operating parts go, but the whole disassembly (once on the heavy bench took 12 minutes (and two of those were spend in wonderment that it was going so well). The inside of the drum is ROUGH, so I may try to find a better one somewhere, but I am not exactly going to be taking this guy on the interstate. Anyway, I feel REAL happy and VERY grateful. More updates as the electrical and carb parts come in, but I think they'll be more positive. The "original" Steve Allen From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Thu Apr 16 10:52:04 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <795920859.93304209.1587059015080.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <795920859.93304209.1587059015080.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J On 4/16/2020 12:43 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > SUCCESS, gentlemen! > > Tired of trying to get all the ducks in a row in the garage on a make-shift workbench, my son and I cleared off the heavy-duty one in the shop this morning (I took a day off to use the good weather--back to rain tomorrow). Then, we got the unit mounted in the big vice. A few hits with Dean's BFH on the end of the gear puller, popped that puppy loose. Then holding a block of wood over the end of the shaft, a few more hits started the drum moving. Once past the edge of the casting, a pry bar applied evening pressure while a few more taps got the drum almost completely off the shoes. Then, a couple more taps with a big drift, and the shaft was loose and the drum off! Woo-hoo!! > > A little judicious prying got the shoes off, and the pedal shaft came right on out. One of the adjuster pins slid out with fingers; the other with just a little persuasion with a pair of pliers. Before dragging the torch in, I thought I'd see if a little bit of impact wrench might start the adjuster moving. Pulled the trigger, and--BUUUZZZZZZ--it spun right out! > > As Dean suggested: I don't understand what the heck the hold-up was. Everything came out VERY easily. the linings are cracked, but they aren't even worn down very much. [Scratches head.] > > I have to humbly thank all who have contributed so far. I did consult the B manual as suggested, and I followed all the good advice given about techniques. > > I think I could salvage everything except the shoe linings, but I want this thing in use ASAP, so I ordered a complete hardware and shoe set from Steiner tractor. A little pricey, but time is money is time. I will try to clean up the old hardware and save it for spares, and I want to clean up inside all the holes in the casting where the operating parts go, but the whole disassembly (once on the heavy bench took 12 minutes (and two of those were spend in wonderment that it was going so well). > > The inside of the drum is ROUGH, so I may try to find a better one somewhere, but I am not exactly going to be taking this guy on the interstate. > > Anyway, I feel REAL happy and VERY grateful. > > More updates as the electrical and carb parts come in, but I think they'll be more positive. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 16 13:28:54 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 From: Mark Johnson To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J From bradloomis at charter.net Thu Apr 16 14:52:57 2020 From: bradloomis at charter.net (bradloomis at charter.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:52:57 -0700 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> I?m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after, but I got an internal ?kit? from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux. Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year. Bradford From: AT On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA rings a big bell. SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may be out of luck if it's too old. It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to mounting the drive internally. Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdnut at aol.com Thu Apr 16 15:00:55 2020 From: jdnut at aol.com (Jdnut) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:00:55 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <50AED532-88BC-4F8A-B835-374799EC48F7@aol.com> Congratulations on the disassembly! Time and a big hammer are good helpers. I admit ?rough? is in the eyes of the beholder, but I would be tempted to wipe it down some with one of those rust destroyer chemicals (with appropriate protection, and it might help keep any residual asbestos from becoming airborne), touch it some with one of those foam sanding pads, and just let use hone it to a nice smooth finish. Take care, John Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:29 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > > ?That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 > From: Mark Johnson > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? > IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... > > Mark J > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 15:04:10 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:04:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks Brad. On that note, we've been using Libre Office at work for years now. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was bundled with Linux Mint. Our IT guy has been looking over my shoulder and now he's getting Linux-curious... SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:53 PM wrote: > I?m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after, > but I got an internal ?kit? from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my > wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS > and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs > infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine > going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux. > Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year. > > Bradford > > > > *From:* AT *On Behalf Of *Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton > more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a > workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA > rings a big bell. > > > > SO > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > > Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell > Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case > and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD > on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less > than 15 minute job on mine. > > > > Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to > remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may > be out of luck if it's too old. > > > > It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it > like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to > mounting the drive internally. > > > > Brad > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's > connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > > > SO > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. > Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. > (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 > and a 240GB for under $50. > > > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > > > Brad > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of > the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work > around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is > a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on > the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked > at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being > OS and apps, not data. > > > > Thanks again, > > SO > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > > > SO > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Steve > > > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > > > Steve O. > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>> year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>> tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>> antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com 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URL: From bloomis at charter.net Thu Apr 16 15:47:02 2020 From: bloomis at charter.net (bloomis at charter.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:47:02 -0700 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> Message-ID: <04a801d61440$f28bf7d0$d7a3e770$@charter.net> It has been Outlook that has kept me wed to Office since I got my first CD at a Pasadena IBM User group meeting in 1997. Been using since and have emails going back almost that far. I tried Thunderbird a few years ago and was thoroughly underwhelmed. But with the advent of IMAP mail, which I don?t need and all the iterations of Outlook since I guess I?m going to make a move to either my own domain or learn to live with either Thunderbird or Gmail. Bradford. From: AT On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 3:04 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Thanks Brad. On that note, we've been using Libre Office at work for years now. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was bundled with Linux Mint. Our IT guy has been looking over my shoulder and now he's getting Linux-curious... SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:53 PM > wrote: I?m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after, but I got an internal ?kit? from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux. Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year. Bradford From: AT > On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA rings a big bell. SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may be out of luck if it's too old. It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to mounting the drive internally. Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 16 16:00:31 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1902711711.5963840.1587078031016.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Steve, This could be a long shot, but depending on how bad the surface is, you might be able to ?turn? the drum yourself. What you may want to try is to reassemble the entire unit, only use double sided tape to attach sandpaper to the brake shoes. Adjust the shoes so that they put some pressure on the drum and spin the drum. Start with something like 120 grit and work up to 400 grit or better, depending on how smooth you think the drum surface needs to be. Adjust shoe pressure as you go. You may be surprised at how fast you can get the drum surface smoothed out, especially if you can get the drum spinning fast enough. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 From: Mark Johnson To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dean at vinsonfarm.net Thu Apr 16 18:31:49 2020 From: dean at vinsonfarm.net (Dean Vinson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:31:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] Tax deductible contributions to antique tractor clubs Message-ID: <00bc01d61457$f7cbfee0$e763fca0$@vinsonfarm.net> Today I learned (on a forum about classic railroad equipment) the coronavirus relief act contains a provision allowing those who do not itemize deductions to still subtract from their 2020 taxable income up to $300 of charitable contributions. Internet searches for "CARES Act Section 2204" or "CARES Act incentives for charitable giving" will turn up details. I mention this because some antique tractor associations are 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations, and the recent increase to the standard deduction meant that I and surely many others no longer itemize deductions. which might tend to remove some incentive or at least remove the reminder to donate to charitable causes. Section 2204 in the CARES Act puts some of that incentive/reminder back. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 19:00:38 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:00:38 -0500 Subject: [AT] Tax deductible contributions to antique tractor clubs In-Reply-To: <00bc01d61457$f7cbfee0$e763fca0$@vinsonfarm.net> References: <00bc01d61457$f7cbfee0$e763fca0$@vinsonfarm.net> Message-ID: <47CAECECA6E248FE8EE36727DBF41DA9@JimDesktop> Maybe they were trying to encourage some gifts to the Red Cross or similar? From: Dean Vinson Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:31 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: [AT] Tax deductible contributions to antique tractor clubs Today I learned (on a forum about classic railroad equipment) the coronavirus relief act contains a provision allowing those who do not itemize deductions to still subtract from their 2020 taxable income up to $300 of charitable contributions. Internet searches for ?CARES Act Section 2204? or ?CARES Act incentives for charitable giving? will turn up details. I mention this because some antique tractor associations are 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations, and the recent increase to the standard deduction meant that I and surely many others no longer itemize deductions? which might tend to remove some incentive or at least remove the reminder to donate to charitable causes. Section 2204 in the CARES Act puts some of that incentive/reminder back. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Thu Apr 16 20:20:28 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 22:20:28 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <515225c4-f807-9a55-b103-10589520477c@basicisp.net> Most new SSDs and other hard drives are SATA (Serial ATA) the replacement for IDE hard drives. I have laptops here with SATA and IDE drive connections. Same for desktops. I would jump on a $25 120Gb SSD. they are faster than a 7200 rpm hard drive and no moving parts. Way better than any hard drive I have ever had. Phil in TX On 4/16/2020 9:58 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes.? My question is how the SSD's > connect.? USB?? If so,? do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially > laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like > most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for > under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make > it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call > a form of recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie. You're another strong > member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? > I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but > if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the > right approach.? 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work > on the laptop, so data storage is on the work?servers.? I don't > store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home > use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and > apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm >> looking at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to >> F12 or something like that during initial?startup in order to >> point to the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I >> eventually learned it was actually just loading an >> installable copy of the OS into RAM.? You can do what looks >> like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on >> power-down.? I eventually decided to install and partition my >> HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right >> now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall >> what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at >> all.? As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so >> it will be no big deal to go back and start over, >> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to >>> work?from home as much as possible, which is tough when >>> you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just >>> reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home >>> with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At >>> home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns >>> workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >>> management software.? It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I >>> installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop >>> that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like >>> a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >>> productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? >>> We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new >>> work one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not >>> run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. >>> Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. >>> The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with >>> some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running >>> windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 >>> older laptops that the group has me convinced I >>> should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, >>> szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she >>> doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s >>> probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >>> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have >>> that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get >>> our internet through a dish since we can?t get any >>> cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before >>> we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >> > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up >>> I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account >>> we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple >>> is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third >>> party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster >>> due to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, >>> and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups >>> everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might >>> save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take >>> trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is >>> an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you >>> need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use >>> the camera. ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure. ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how >>> good the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the >>> years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to >>> check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the >>> unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a >>> living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance >>> to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have >>> a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that >>> way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer >>> buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need >>> the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now >>> I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple >>> refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? >>> I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One >>> of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I >>> can go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. >>> Jump ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new >>> computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, >>> do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything >>> I needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and >>> bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it >>> now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I >>> would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the >>> Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is >>> coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. >>> I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but >>> man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds >>> of things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my >>> advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage >>> in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and >>> don't try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier >>> might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I >>> just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad >>> was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the >>> deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s >>> iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to >>> get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. >>> WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be >>> used anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are >>> phones and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite >>> there feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the >>> specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the >>> Microsoft surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a >>> lot of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look >>> at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even >>> the enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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I'm going to have to google it just > to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 05:27:06 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:27:06 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Note the link shows model years 2011-2013 for the Boomer 40. Tractordata obviously isn't perfect, but it's usually pretty good, so at least worth raising a question whether this is really a 2007 tractor of a different model, or a Boomer 40 that is newer than claimed. Third possibility that it is as claimed and Tractordata is missing, well, some tractor data, is also on the table. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:15 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/7/4/6746-new-holland-boomer-40.html > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:50 AM Indiana Robinson > wrote: > >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Fri Apr 17 05:30:02 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:30:02 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. Phil in TX On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a > fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end > loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... > I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base? > :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google > it just to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 05:35:50 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:35:50 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The 40-hp New Holland offering in 2007 timeframe: http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/005/6/8/5681-new-holland-tc40a.html On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:27 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > Note the link shows model years 2011-2013 for the Boomer 40. Tractordata > obviously isn't perfect, but it's usually pretty good, so at least worth > raising a question whether this is really a 2007 tractor of a different > model, or a Boomer 40 that is newer than claimed. Third possibility that > it is as claimed and Tractordata is missing, well, some tractor data, is > also on the table. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:15 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> >> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/7/4/6746-new-holland-boomer-40.html >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:50 AM Indiana Robinson >> wrote: >> >>> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >>> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >>> hours on it. Very good condition... >>> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >>> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >>> just to see what one looks like. :-) >>> Anyone have any idea? >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 17 05:58:57 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:58:57 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> My TS110 is a 2003 model.? Most guys around here have had pretty good service from New Holland.? The early 2000 models were just updated Fords.? My tractor had the hourmeter turned back or replaced and was about 5000 hours short..? I believe it was a mowing tractor used by a contractor for the state DOT.? At that time the state was contracting mowing the highways.? Contractors figured out they could not make any money after about 5 years. One governor got re-elected over retiring the old guys who were tractor operators.? 5 years later, ODOT was buying tractors and mowers and hiring operators.? Just another state Boondoogle. Cecil On 4/17/2020 7:30 AM, Phil Auten wrote: > > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one > Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be > spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded > here of the stories my dad told me about one particular used car > dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a >> fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end >> loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base? >> :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to >> google it just to see what one looks like.? :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 06:34:22 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:34:22 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> Message-ID: I don't think Cecil's terrible experience with his TS110 says much if anything about New Hollands in general. Sorry for my barrage of replies earlier; I was actually in the middle of something else and not giving this my full attention. So to recap, there's something wrong with the information we're given. I am pretty sure there's no such thing as a 2007 Boomer 40. The things it could be include: 1) 2011-2013 Boomer 40 (they just got the date plain wrong) 2) 2017 Boomer 40 (the date is one digit off, a real possibility, not to mention 350 hrs makes it sound pretty new) 3) 2003-2008 Boomer TC40A (date is correct, and they're abbreviating the model) These are three somewhat different tractors which will have different monetary values, as well as some features you might not want... the '17 has Tier 4 emissions which I'd have to look up, but I think those are the ones with particulate filters that go into an annoying "regen" cycle periodically. I'm not sure about DEF but maybe that too. Show stopper for some people. SO On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:59 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > My TS110 is a 2003 model. Most guys around here have had pretty good > service from New Holland. The early 2000 models were just updated Fords. > My tractor had the hourmeter turned back or replaced and was about 5000 > hours short.. I believe it was a mowing tractor used by a contractor for > the state DOT. At that time the state was contracting mowing the > highways. Contractors figured out they could not make any money after > about 5 years. One governor got re-elected over retiring the old guys who > were tractor operators. 5 years later, ODOT was buying tractors and mowers > and hiring operators. Just another state Boondoogle. > Cecil > On 4/17/2020 7:30 AM, Phil Auten wrote: > > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil > has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to > make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the > stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the > late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > > Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair > price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 > hours on it. Very good condition... > I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base :-) > but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it just > to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 17 07:09:04 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:09:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> Message-ID: <7a51d96f-f7df-7218-83a4-45932a8ebdd9@copper.net> My TS110 had problems due to an unscrupulous dealer.? The same thing can be said about my MTZ/Belarus 1220.4 .? My MTZ had the clutch replaced at a very high cost to the factory by the dealer who could not make his 1yr payment to the factory.? At 12 hrs of use the clutch was disassembled, the flywheel resurfaced, leaving out the pilot bearing, new disks were installed that were woven not ceramic and the center plate was replaced.? The clutch assembly is a balanced unit and is to be balanced before installation.? No balancing was done.? The problems with both tractors were due to the actions of bad dealers, and poor mechanics.? When we replaced the pilot bearing on my MTZ, I was not aware that the clutch disks were supposed to be ceramic.? I also did not realize that the balanced clutch assembly had been taken apart until I was furnished a copy of the warranty claim from the dealer.? The engine has a vibration above 1500 rpm.? I am sure it is due to the unbalanced clutch. Cecil On 4/17/2020 8:34 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I don't think Cecil's terrible experience with his TS110 says much if > anything about New Hollands in general. > > Sorry for my barrage of replies earlier; I was actually?in the middle > of something else and not giving?this my full attention.? So to recap, > there's something wrong with the information we're given.? I am pretty > sure there's no such thing as a 2007 Boomer 40.? The things it could > be include: > > 1)? 2011-2013 Boomer 40 (they just got the date plain wrong) > 2)? 2017 Boomer 40 (the date is one digit off, a real possibility, not > to mention 350 hrs makes it sound pretty new) > 3)? 2003-2008 Boomer TC40A (date is correct, and they're abbreviating > the model) > > These are three somewhat different tractors which will have different > monetary?values, as well as some features you might not want... the > '17 has Tier 4 emissions which I'd have to look up, but I think those > are the ones with particulate filters that go into an annoying "regen" > cycle periodically. ?I'm not sure about DEF but maybe that?too.? Show > stopper for some people. > > SO > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:59 AM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > My TS110 is a 2003 model.? Most guys around here have had pretty > good service from New Holland.? The early 2000 models were just > updated Fords.? My tractor had the hourmeter turned back or > replaced and was about 5000 hours short..? I believe it was a > mowing tractor used by a contractor for the state DOT.? At that > time the state was contracting mowing the highways.? Contractors > figured out they could not make any money after about 5 years.? > One governor got re-elected over retiring the old guys who were > tractor operators.? 5 years later, ODOT was buying tractors and > mowers and hiring operators.? Just another state Boondoogle. > Cecil > > On 4/17/2020 7:30 AM, Phil Auten wrote: >> >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the >> one Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things >> can be spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I >> am reminded here of the stories my dad told me about one >> particular used car dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, >> and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away >>> about a fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with >>> front end loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... >>> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge >>> base? :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to >>> have to google it just to see what one looks like.? :-) >>> Anyone have any idea? >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dejoodster at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 10:55:50 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:55:50 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there with Deere and Kubota. Jason On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil > has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to > make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the > stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the > late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > > Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair > price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 > hours on it. Very good condition... > I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base :-) > but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it just > to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Fri Apr 17 12:28:37 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:28:37 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: I think all tractors under 70 hp are just rebranded something else built overseas. Maybe not in 2007 though. Mike M On 4/17/2020 1:55 PM, Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New > Holland compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors > right up there with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten > wrote: > > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the > one Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things > can be spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I > am reminded here of the stories my dad told me about one > particular used car dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, > and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about >> a fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front >> end loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge >> base? :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to >> have to google it just to see what one looks like.? :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Apr 17 14:00:45 2020 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:00:45 +0000 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question Message-ID: Farmer, I have almost the same tractor 2004 TC40DA and they were called "Boomer" tractors when I bought mine new in the spring of 2005. There is a web page that specializes in the compact diesels like these. Your nephew may want to look at tractorbynet.com There is even a section on buying/pricing of New Holland tractors. https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/new-holland-buying-pricing/ and other sections on own and operating these machines. There are a few versions of the 40hp tractor of that vintage and its hard to say price without knowing which one he is looking at. My tractor is the "delux" model with hydrostatic transmission, 17LA loader, R4 tires, & Supersteer. Its been a great machine and now has about 1200 hours on it with few issues. I do not think that it is terribly rare for a compact tractor like this to be very low on hours. It amazes me how many people buy these machines and they never leave the barn. New Holland compact tractors, of this vintage, were built in North Carolina and mine has a Shibuara engine. Farmer, you or you nephew can write me directly if I can answer questions, be sure to mention new holland tractor in the subject line so I won't mistake it for spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 15:26:53 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:26:53 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: My nephew responded... They may have the wrong year listed? Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. ****************************8 I will send him Andy Glines information. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there > with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hfleming at moosebird.net Fri Apr 17 15:30:52 2020 From: hfleming at moosebird.net (Howard Fleming) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:30:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58c72079-02e8-f4e5-ec33-58c4308320ae@moosebird.net> If you have the tag number from your Dell laptop, you can enter it at http://dell.com/support and it should tell you hardware it has (at least when it was shipped). Check your laptop, you "might" have an external sata port on it, some laptops do.? That may get around a lot of the speed issues. Howard On 4/16/20 11:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Ah-HA.? Thanks Brad.? I was thinking external, but internal makes a > ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, > a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08.? > SATA rings a big bell. > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old > Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner > of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the > SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in > and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. > > Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive > to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. > So you may be out of luck if it's too old. > > It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and > use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance > compared to mounting the drive internally. > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't > want to waste time going down any rabbit holes.? My question is > how the SSD's connect.? USB?? If so,? do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. > Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM > instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what > I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found > for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and > make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's > what I call a form of recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie.? You're another strong > member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for > sure.? I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig > as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD > sounds like the right approach.? 120GB is a ton for my needs.? > Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the > work?servers.? I don't store a lot of data in any event... > just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB > free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint > OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very > fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to >> make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm >> looking at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you >> to F12 or something like that during initial?startup in >> order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I >> eventually learned it was actually just loading an >> installable copy of the OS into RAM.? You can do what >> looks like work straight from there, but anything you do >> is lost on power-down.? I eventually decided to install >> and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has been wonky >> in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy >> and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; >> might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't >> really customized the install much, so it will be no big >> deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and >> dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to >>> work?from home as much as possible, which is tough >>> when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I >>> am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork >>> comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on >>> the floor.? At home my iMac becomes the portal to my >>> Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks >>> and the management software.? It left me wanting a >>> separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word >>> processing.? I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate >>> Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >>> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is >>> minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 >>> vintage? We bought it for my daighter gor >>> college and a new work one.? The older one is >>> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer >>> programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? >>> the new one runs with no issues. The older one >>> is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of >>> the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for >>> 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced >>> I should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, >>> szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she >>> doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s >>> probably running slow and getting all the ads. >>> My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we >>> don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we >>> have to get our internet through a dish since we >>> can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues >>> before we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >> > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up >>> I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu >>> account we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft >>> in college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, >>> even though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating >>> system, so most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that >>> Apple is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. >>> The reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any >>> third party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much >>> faster due to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on >>> it, and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems >>> the other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as >>> the problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups >>> everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off: great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices >>> and their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you >>> might save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is >>> pretty good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take >>> trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There >>> is an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what >>> you need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t >>> use the camera. ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to >>> be sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how >>> good the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the >>> years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need >>> to check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the >>> unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a >>> living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks >>> reluctance to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But >>> they?re really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other >>> vendor to support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect >>> your privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I >>> have a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay >>> that way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my >>> computer buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist >>> need the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's >>> a feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., >>> now I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple >>> refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? >>> I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One >>> of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even >>> though I can go buy a >>> >>>> computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. >>> Jump ahead to >>> >>>> December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new >>> computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do >>> the basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live >>> events, do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For >>> everything I needed, the >>> >>>> thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and >>> bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with >>> it now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. >>> I would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the >>> Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>> ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold >>> and rainy to do so. >>> >>>>> Good Luck, >>> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>> IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is >>> coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new >>> one. I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, >>> but man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? >>> iPad. I thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever >>> since she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all >>> kinds of things. Even >>> >>>> lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my >>> advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of >>> marriage in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and >>> don't try to >>> >>>> influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets >>> is obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be >>> your fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier >>> might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>> might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know >>> I just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the >>> pad was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, >>> the deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my >>> wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude >>> Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether >>> to get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular >>> data. WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be >>> used anywhere cel >>> >>>> signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, >>> just making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but >>> it sounds like a >>> >>>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers >>> are Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids >>> are phones and so the >>> >>>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite >>> there feel. They >>> >>>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how >>> the specific >>> >>>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is >>> targeted at laptops and low >>> >>>> powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it >>> can work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the >>> Microsoft surface >>> >>>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an >>> okay tablet when you >>> >>>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, >>> a lot of the >>> >>>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you >>> look at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but >>> even the enthusiasts >>> >>>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might >>> actually change this >>> >>>> year, we will >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet >>> most people with a >>> >>>> tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for >>> viruses by Avast >>> >>>> antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses >>> by Avast antivirus >>> >>>> software. >>> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> > >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? -- >>> >>>>? ? 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 17 17:46:16 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: <1492904612.6729543.1587170776002.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> You should be able to go to the auction site and ask them to clarify the information in the listing, maybe ask them to supply a model/serial number. I would be hesitant to bid on something that I wasn?t sure about. Is there any out is he bids on it and it?s not what it was supposed to be? He may want to ask them that. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Indiana Robinson To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] New fangled tractor question My nephew responded... They may have the wrong year listed? Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. ****************************8 I will send him Andy Glines information. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there > with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 17:49:07 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:49:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: <58c72079-02e8-f4e5-ec33-58c4308320ae@moosebird.net> References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> <58c72079-02e8-f4e5-ec33-58c4308320ae@moosebird.net> Message-ID: Thank you Howard, that's extremely helpful. I do have the tag #, and it worked when I entered it at the dell/support link you provided. And, yes, I do have an external SATA port. Never really gave it any thought. It functions and I use it as a USB port, and only just now I'm seeing that it is shaped a bit differently. Great info, thanks again! SO On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:09 PM Howard Fleming wrote: > If you have the tag number from your Dell laptop, you can enter it at > http://dell.com/support and it should tell you hardware it has (at least > when it was shipped). > > Check your laptop, you "might" have an external sata port on it, some > laptops do. That may get around a lot of the speed issues. > > Howard > > > On 4/16/20 11:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton > more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a > workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA > rings a big bell. > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > >> Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell >> Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case >> and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD >> on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less >> than 15 minute job on mine. >> >> Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to >> remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may >> be out of luck if it's too old. >> >> It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it >> like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to >> mounting the drive internally. >> >> Brad >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen >> Offiler >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM >> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group < >> at at lists.antique-tractor.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers >> >> Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to >> waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's >> connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? >> >> SO >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R >> wrote: >> >> An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. >> Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. >> (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). >> >> SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 >> and a 240GB for under $50. >> >> So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a >> fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of >> recycling. ? >> >> Brad >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen >> Offiler >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM >> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group < >> at at lists.antique-tractor.com> >> *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of >> the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't >> committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work >> around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is >> a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on >> the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked >> at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being >> OS and apps, not data. >> >> Thanks again, >> SO >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: >> >> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used >> the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! >> >> On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable >> thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at >> Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like >> that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the >> HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned >> it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You >> can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is >> lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD >> for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to >> be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; >> might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the >> install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, >> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as >> possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) >> I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me >> and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the >> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >> management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, >> spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on >> a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. >> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the >> group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >> any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >> gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 17:56:01 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:56:01 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: Now, that's a match, pretty close anyway. Tractordata (again, not perfect but usually pretty good) shows the 3040 as '08-'17 and it shows the 250TL as the correct loader. I'd say the pic of the operator's manual is the dead giveaway. http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/4/7/6477-new-holland-boomer-3040.html SO On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 6:27 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > My nephew responded... > They may have the wrong year listed? > > Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until > the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 > New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader > alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 > 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the > smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought > they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a > 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. > ****************************8 > I will send him Andy Glines information. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > >> First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland >> compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there >> with Deere and Kubota. >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: >> >>> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >>> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >>> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >>> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >>> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >>> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >>> >>> Phil in TX >>> >>> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>> >>> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >>> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >>> hours on it. Very good condition... >>> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >>> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >>> just to see what one looks like. :-) >>> Anyone have any idea? >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurt.sharpe79 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 18:59:46 2020 From: kurt.sharpe79 at gmail.com (beaux jangles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:59:46 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: The new tractors are rebranded LS tractors. If you look at the manufacturer tag it will say made by LS tractor. Kubota is not. They make their own. I know that this is true for Case. Hope this helps. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there > with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deanvp at att.net Fri Apr 17 19:16:08 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of your ability and then let the brake lining finish the job. Brakes just aren't used that much on these old tractors. Just my humble opinion. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 1:29 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 From: Mark Johnson To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 03:20:30 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 06:20:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <1492904612.6729543.1587170776002.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> <1492904612.6729543.1587170776002.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: A little more digging around shows 3 different transmissions: gear, hydrostatic, and CVT "Easy Drive". I'd want to know which it has, and if it's the CVT, I'd want to know more about its reputation. SO On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:24 AM wrote: > You should be able to go to the auction site and ask them to clarify the > information in the listing, maybe ask them to supply a model/serial number. > I would be hesitant to bid on something that I wasn?t sure about. > > Is there any out is he bids on it and it?s not what it was supposed to be? > He may want to ask them that. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Indiana Robinson > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] New fangled tractor question > > My nephew responded... > They may have the wrong year listed? > > Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until > the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 > New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader > alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 > 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the > smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought > they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a > 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. > ****************************8 > I will send him Andy Glines information. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > > > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up > there > > with Deere and Kubota. > > > > Jason > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > > > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one > Cecil > >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced > up to > >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the > >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the > >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > >> > >> Phil in TX > >> > >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > >> > >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair > >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and > 350 > >> hours on it. Very good condition... > >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base > >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google > it > >> just to see what one looks like. :-) > >> Anyone have any idea? > >> > >> . > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> > >> Francis Robinson > >> aka "farmer" > >> Central Indiana USA > >> robinson46176 at gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp:// > lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 18 10:16:51 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. Mike M On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been > guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there > could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown > reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause > higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose > or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing > an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. > Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to > get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could > be apart a little longer than the others. > > Dave M. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a > post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize > him on here as Mangus. > > Dave M > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam > > wrote: > > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a > thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with > exactly the same problem.? Knock piston 5.? You might follow > this thread to see if there was a solution > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice > shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might > be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been > many years since I did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets > older tricks thing!!! > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > Cecil > > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the > proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be > leftover fuel that could change things on next compression > stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler > > wrote: > > I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x > 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 > liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? > Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds > .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, > which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > > > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing > or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less > compression because the piston wouldn't come up as > far.? Doug T > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But >> James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too >> short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch >> > wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting >> rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But >> it's not traveling to close to the head as >> there would be damage showing. Just have this >> new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, >> not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M >> > >> wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all >> the piston,ring and bearing clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had >>> this engine apart before and #5 had a >>> new piston and rod and bearings. The >>> seller said it was his father's tractor >>> since new and never been apart....he >>> lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than >>> you could imagine and obviously that >>> piston and rod and bearings had been >>> replaced and I thought they had been >>> chasing the noise. Unless there was some >>> other reason, but dont know. >>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a >>> Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that >>> has a 4 cylinder version of this motor >>> that appears identical except the number >>> of cyl's. He found the rod to be the >>> same except it a tweak shorter by an >>> almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 >>> or .010. Part number is almost the same >>> except last digit and now I'm wondering >>> if that could be someone's mistake. >>> Would shorter rod cause preignition? By >>> the way, there is no part number on the >>> rods so they would have to be accurately >>> measured. >>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can >>> get this back apart again, but hoping to >>> have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil >>> Bearden >> > wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my >>> experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on >>> down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if >>>> this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is >>>> moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you >>>> had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> >>>> >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email >>>> Discussion Group >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave >>>>> Maynard >>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at >>>>> a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others?the >>>> engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about >>>> cylinder 5 is somehow different so >>>> that the compression is higher, and >>>> so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too >>>> much before top dead centre in just >>>> that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than >>>> the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 18 13:52:53 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:52:53 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but it worked! Lol Dave Maynard The Maple Hill Farm Marion, NY https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M wrote: > Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. > > Mike M > > > On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing > until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be > residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe > carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression > or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre > combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, > or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we > can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it > apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the > others. > > Dave M. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my >> son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as >> Mangus. >> >> Dave M >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam >> wrote: >> >>> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on >>> tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. >>> Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a >>> solution >>> >>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>> >>> >>> >>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>> >>> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but >>> we have a couple things we are trying t... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < >>> crbearden at copper.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the >>> problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I >>> did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >>> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >>> Cecil >>> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? >>> Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could >>> change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the >>> knock? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>> I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. >>> 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber >>> volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That >>> adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops >>> compression down to 18.4:1 >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >>> wrote: >>> >>> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >>> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >>> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >>> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >>> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >>> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>> >>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>> clearances? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >>> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >>> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >>> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >>> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >>> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >>> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>> head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_1552331258667723648_m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 18 15:59:54 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Drum2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 704217 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ken.knierim at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 17:52:10 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:52:10 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: Not sure if it helps but for removing rust I'm using a needle scaler and it seems to be more effective than a wire brush and somewhat less likely to render the rust aerosol. I got it for knocking the slag off my arc welds. It's also pretty effective at making me deaf if I don't have my ear protection on. :) Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 4:39 PM STEVE ALLEN wrote: > Dean, > > I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. > It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to > clean the loose stuff off. > > I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and > work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here > requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake > job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) > > Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the > pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun > cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. > > Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch > makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a > mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's > real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. > > The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will > not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas > runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. > but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very > small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is > pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the > thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting > are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen > the bowl. > > Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. > > Ain't Old Iron fun? > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) > Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Steve, > > Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, > you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do > so > unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has > happened > to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you > describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide > some pictures. > > PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of > the > drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle > grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are > useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't > dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is > noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't > perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough > they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound > foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I > have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if > you > want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best > of_______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 18 20:05:09 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 23:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <527011879.7296757.1587265509297.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Steve, The rust looks like it?s the kind that?s in layers (???). You can usually chip that kind of rust off by hitting it with a ball peen hammer, sometimes from the outside surface. The way it looks in the picture, new shoes wouldn?t last very long and you?re going to hear a lot of grinding. You may not be able to adjust the brake shoes to the point were you?ll have enough surface contact to actually stop properly. The idea I gave you about using double sided tape and sandpaper won?t work on anything that bad. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of From bradloomis at charter.net Sat Apr 18 20:39:20 2020 From: bradloomis at charter.net (bradloomis at charter.net) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:39:20 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <058901d615fc$1cd1ed30$5675c790$@charter.net> A co-worker had a needle gun he got when he was welding in the San Diego ship yards. Most DEAFinitly Deafening. But it does the trick. Bradford From: AT On Behalf Of Ken Knierim Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:52 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Not sure if it helps but for removing rust I'm using a needle scaler and it seems to be more effective than a wire brush and somewhat less likely to render the rust aerosol. I got it for knocking the slag off my arc welds. It's also pretty effective at making me deaf if I don't have my ear protection on. :) Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 4:39 PM STEVE ALLEN > wrote: Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of_______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 18 21:00:27 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 00:00:27 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> Won't load for me Dave. Mike M On 4/18/2020 4:52 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me > find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and > knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything > and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further > with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors > made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on > a four cylinder version of this Kubota? engine and sent me the > attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve > spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at > the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, > haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back > from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to > attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but > it worked! Lol > > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative > thread. > > Mike M > > > On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been >> guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if >> there could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by >> yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion >> chamber which may cause higher compression or poor atomization. >> Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre combustion chamber. >> Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe >> even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we >> can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. >> Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could be apart a >> little longer than the others. >> >> Dave M. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard >> > wrote: >> >> The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That >> is a post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may >> recognize him on here as Mangus. >> >> Dave M >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam >> > wrote: >> >> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a >> thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with >> exactly the same problem. Knock piston 5.? You might >> follow this thread to see if there was a solution >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> >> >> >> >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in >> nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil >> Bearden > > wrote: >> >> >> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston >> might be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? >> It has been many years since I did a compression >> analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >> Cecil >> >> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the >> proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there >> be leftover fuel that could change things on next >> compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler >> > wrote: >> >> I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm >> bore x 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume >> is .547 liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of >> .0238 liter.? Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too >> short?? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion >> chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression >> down to 18.4:1 >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >> > > wrote: >> >> The rod being too short can't change injector >> timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean >> less compression because the piston wouldn't come >> up as far.? Doug T >> >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. >>> But James makes a good point to ponder, if the >>> rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Actually, did not check length of >>> connecting rod and its clearance from >>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to >>> close to the head as there would be >>> damage showing. Just have this new >>> concern about the wrong rod being put in >>> by mistake, but that would have been >>> short, not long. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> When you had it apart, did you check >>> all the piston,ring and bearing >>> clearances? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone >>>> had this engine apart before and #5 >>>> had a new piston and rod and >>>> bearings. The seller said it was >>>> his father's tractor since new and >>>> never been apart....he lied! There >>>> was more RTV on oil pan than you >>>> could imagine and obviously that >>>> piston and rod and bearings had >>>> been replaced and I thought they >>>> had been chasing the noise. Unless >>>> there was some other reason, but >>>> dont know. >>>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help >>>> has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder >>>> version of this motor that appears >>>> identical except the number of >>>> cyl's. He found the rod to be the >>>> same except it a tweak shorter by >>>> an almost immeasurable amount, >>>> maybe .005 or .010. Part number is >>>> almost the same except last digit >>>> and now I'm wondering if that could >>>> be someone's mistake. Would shorter >>>> rod cause preignition? By the way, >>>> there is no part number on the rods >>>> so they would have to be accurately >>>> measured. >>>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before >>>> I can get this back apart again, >>>> but hoping to have this fixed in >>>> time to plow. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil >>>> Bearden >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> That was one of my thoughts, >>>> but my experience has been that >>>> the liner movement was a double >>>> "thud" once on down stroke and >>>> once on upstroke. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, >>>> k7jdj at aol.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't >>>>> know if this engine even has >>>>> cylinder liners if it does and >>>>> that liner is moving you would >>>>> get click. Did you look >>>>> carefully at the head when you >>>>> had it off and look for any >>>>> sign of head distress? >>>>> I would do a compression check >>>>> as well. >>>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email >>>>> Discussion Group >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 >>>>> noise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, >>>>>> Dave Maynard >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines >>>>>> one at a time, and it gets >>>>>> quieter on #5 >>>>> >>>>> But only on #5? >>>>> >>>>> When you crack the others?the >>>>> engine misses, but the noise >>>>> remains? >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if something about >>>>> cylinder 5 is somehow >>>>> different so that the >>>>> compression is higher, and so >>>>> it?s igniting (pre-igniting) >>>>> too much before top dead >>>>> centre in just that cylinder? >>>>> >>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher >>>>> than the other 4? >>>>> >>>>> Roger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#m_1552331258667723648_m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 03:26:01 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:26:01 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> Message-ID: Me neither. Error: Access to r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:00 AM Mike M wrote: > Won't load for me Dave. > > Mike M > > > On 4/18/2020 4:52 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a > solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on > here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning > things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other > pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just > today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this > Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to > my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you > click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you > there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my > laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted > video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, > but it worked! Lol > > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > > https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M wrote: > >> Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing >> until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be >> residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe >> carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression >> or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre >> combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, >> or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we >> can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it >> apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the >> others. >> >> Dave M. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post >>> my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here >>> as Mangus. >>> >>> Dave M >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam < >>> tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on >>>> tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. >>>> Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a >>>> solution >>>> >>>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>>> >>>> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, >>>> but we have a couple things we are trying t... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < >>>> crbearden at copper.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the >>>> problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I >>>> did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >>>> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >>>> Cecil >>>> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? >>>> Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could >>>> change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the >>>> knock? >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. >>>> 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber >>>> volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That >>>> adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops >>>> compression down to 18.4:1 >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >>>> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >>>> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >>>> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >>>> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >>>> >>>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>> clearances? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>> Cecil >>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> <#m_-7504448141289623126_m_1552331258667723648_m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 05:13:52 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1748911721.409485.1587298432582@connect.xfinity.com> I could see the video from my phone. Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 19, 2020 at 6:26 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Me neither. Error: > Access tohttp://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:00 AM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > Won't load for me Dave. > > > > Mike M > > > > > > On 4/18/2020 4:52 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but it worked! Lol > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > The Maple Hill Farm > > > Marion, NY > > > https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the others. > > > > > > > > > > Dave M. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as Mangus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave M > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam < tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a solution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/413832-m5700-knock-other-questions.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! > > > > > > > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com mailto:soffiler at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman < dtallman at accnorwalk.com mailto:dtallman at accnorwalk.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far. Doug T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch < bohinch at gmail.com mailto:bohinch at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com mailto:k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do a compression check as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renton, WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But only on #5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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URL: From deanvp at att.net Sun Apr 19 09:26:11 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:00 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 19 10:38:39 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109@copper.net> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil On 4/19/2020 11:26 AM, deanvp at att.net wrote: > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:00 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > > Dean, > > I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. > > I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) > > Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. > > Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. > > The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. > > Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. > > Ain't Old Iron fun? > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) > Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Steve, > > Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. > > PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough > they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound > foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From simon419 at acsalaska.net Sun Apr 19 13:52:02 2020 From: simon419 at acsalaska.net (simon419 at acsalaska.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:52:02 -0400 Subject: [AT] Steve allen sediment bowl Message-ID: <1587329522.twriaa7vuogskgwg@mymail.acsalaska.net> Steve, If the float bowl in the carb is full there is no flow required from the sediment bowl as this part of the? system is full. Loosen the float bowl and see if the fuel flows properly. Art Hotchkiss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sun Apr 19 16:58:10 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 19 17:03:11 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:03:11 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <211b14bd-f5cd-aa02-64bf-f4088d8c3895@copper.net> Maybe the drain on the carb is plugged up. Cecil On 4/19/2020 6:58 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 19 17:16:39 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:16:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <2515df27-806e-3cc7-ba0e-d279be1810f4@basicisp.net> References: <2515df27-806e-3cc7-ba0e-d279be1810f4@basicisp.net> Message-ID: <43842206-1141-41C5-9FF9-6604D25D468C@rdfarms.com> Just a quick update on this: I got the starter clutch two weekends ago and got it on. Success! Now the engine turns with the starter. However I was still getting just weak pops from the exhaust. However, it was not firing against itself and making all sorts of noise like most engines when you have the timing off. Just some weak pops. But in my heart of hearts it really sounded like a timing issue. However, being a solid-state bike the only way you can screw up timing is to reverse coil wires or have a bad computer. So I checked and I had the wiring exactly as the manual described. I had a few few marginal resistance readings on the computer/igniter, so I got a used one off of eBay just to doublecheck. Still no difference. Checked the primary/secondary resistance of both coils and even put my spark tester on. It all looks good. I finally decided I had to follow my instincts and I reversed the wiring on the coils. Runs like an champ. Lesson: if you ever have a 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD, the manual is dead wrong on coil wiring. Ancillary lesson: Make a note of the wiring when you disassemble it and don?t just cavalierly say ?oh I?m sure the manual has it - I don?t need to mark them?. Been taking it on ever-longer test runs. It?s runs pretty nice - I?m really pleased. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Phil Auten wrote: > > ? > Wow! I'd say you were lucky it didn't come apart the last time you rode it. Hope you find the part cheap. > > Phil in TX > > > On 4/5/2020 4:55 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> Fly wheel puller came in Friday so I got the flywheel/rotor off. Pulled the starter clutch assembly from behind the rotor and sure enough : two big cracks. >> >> I guess I?ll hit up eBay and see what I can find. >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>> ?So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sun Apr 19 18:57:43 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <658691385.7856133.1587347863645.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 19 19:27:05 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:27:05 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <658691385.7856133.1587347863645.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <658691385.7856133.1587347863645.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain.? Then check the flow out of the drain...? If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl.?? Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... Cecil On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 19 19:44:55 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:44:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> Message-ID: <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that will fit in the drain. Then attach a clear plastic tube to the barb. Route the tube upward and secure then open the fuel petcock. Look at the level of gasoline in the tube. That level should fall short of the base (actually the bottom of the gasket between the base and bowl) by the exact specification mentioned for your carburetor. After having dealt with a lot of floats that have been completely mangled by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the only measurement that seems to work. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain. Then check the flow out of the drain... If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl. Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... > Cecil > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: STEVE ALLEN >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! >> >> Dean and Cecil, >> >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. >> >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. >> >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. >> >> Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. >> >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. >> >> Thanks for all the help so far! >> >> The "original" Steve Allen >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 >> From: >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Steve, >> >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . >> >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. >> >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? >> >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. >> >> Dean VP >> Apache Junction, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 >> From: Cecil Bearden >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine >> without inline filters. >> Cecil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Sun Apr 19 21:01:47 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:01:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black Message-ID: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs the valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as this is a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped steel and a gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on them as the upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read where I should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the gasket maker start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them down, in this case 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says to tighten them right down. *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening bolts. Re-torque will not be necessary."** * Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what method did you use? Thanks, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Apr 20 04:25:14 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:25:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black In-Reply-To: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> References: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> Message-ID: <734f8b20-2590-ef83-365f-d71b2459c114@accnorwalk.com> Mike, I would recommend a Permatex product called "the right stuff". It is an anerobic rubber and is far superior to silicone. It is available in caulk gun tubes or a spray can lke cheese whiz. I use the caulk gun tubes at the shop. A little pricier but it works good. I can't remember the last time I bought silicone at the shop since starting to use this.? Doug T On 4/20/2020 12:01 AM, Mike M wrote: > This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag > zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs > the valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as > this is a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped > steel and a gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on > them as the upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read > where I should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the > gasket maker start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them > down, in this case 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says > to tighten them right down. > > *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, > surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble > parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening > bolts. Re-torque will not be necessary."** > * > Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over > tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what > method did you use? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Mon Apr 20 06:12:46 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black In-Reply-To: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> References: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1414769634.8063905.1587388366398.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, I?ve used the RTV several times when I didn?t want to bother getting a new gasket, or when I just couldn?t wait for one. On critical installations I?ve followed the RTV instructions and applied a bead and then basically finger tight until the RTV oozed out. Issue here is that you need to get even pressure to get an even thickness. After it cures snug the bolts up. Also, it?s important to have all surfaces clean of oil and grease to make sure you gets good bond to both surfaces. For non critical installations, you can torque the bolts to spec, it really doesn?t take a lot to form a seal. When you apply the RTV make sure you apply it completely around all the bolt holes so that you don?t develop leaks at any of the bolts. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: Antique tractor email discussion group Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs the valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as this is a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped steel and a gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on them as the upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read where I should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the gasket maker start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them down, in this case 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says to tighten them right down. *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening bolts. Re-torque will not be necessary."** * Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what method did you use? Thanks, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From soffiler at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 07:16:15 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:16:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: That's a neat trick Spencer! Archiving that one... SO On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:45 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that will fit in > the drain. Then attach a clear plastic tube to the barb. Route the > tube upward and secure then open the fuel petcock. Look at the level of > gasoline in the tube. That level should fall short of the base (actually > the bottom of the gasket between the base and bowl) by the exact > specification mentioned for your carburetor. > > After having dealt with a lot of floats that have been completely mangled > by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the only measurement > that seems to work. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire > up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain. Then check the flow out > of the drain... If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain > hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment > bowl. Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of > the line... > > Cecil > > > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where > the needle valve is being plugged??? > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: STEVE ALLEN > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > >> > >> Dean and Cecil, > >> > >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > >> > >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl > will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More > will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, > the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. > That's why I am so confused. > >> > >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more > on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the > numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took > the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect > on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and > otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > >> > >> Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had > heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if > my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get > the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill > a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't > want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > >> > >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51. > >> > >> Thanks for all the help so far! > >> > >> The "original" Steve Allen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > >> From: > >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Steve, > >> > >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean > enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is > somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe > lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > >> > >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are > the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again > but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the > grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > >> > >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. > In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the > float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that > carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I > usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to > fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you > have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in > its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the > sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the > bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock > before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > >> > >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it > and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think > on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't > fill. But I have been there done that. > >> > >> Dean VP > >> Apache Junction, AZ > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> Message: 8 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > >> From: Cecil Bearden > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > >> without inline filters. > >> Cecil > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 20 07:25:55 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:25:55 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <1beef9dd-86a4-ba1a-d69d-fc32ee8dbe15@copper.net> Good trick Spencer!!? I guess the newer generation would call that a Hack!!!? My old mentor would call that his trade secret!! I sure miss that old guy.? He started out in the Blacksmith shop at 14yrs old.? Had only a 6th grade education, but could make anything run that came on the place.? I had the good fortune to work alongside this fellow when I was 14 also.? I worked with him while going to college until he retired 6 years later. The man was like a Grandfather to me.?? I suppose that is why I learned mechanics as well as I did. Cecil On 4/20/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > That's a neat trick Spencer!? Archiving that one... > > SO > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:45 PM Spencer Yost > wrote: > > It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that > will fit in the drain.? ?Then attach a clear plastic tube to the > barb.? ? Route the tube upward and secure then open the fuel > petcock.? Look at the level of gasoline in the tube.? ?That level > should fall short of the base (actually the bottom of the gasket > between the base and bowl) by the exact specification mentioned > for your carburetor. > > After having dealt with a lot of floats that have? been completely > mangled by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the > only measurement that seems to work. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > > > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and > stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain.? > Then check the flow out of the drain...? If you only get a drip > out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the > restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl.? ?Remove > the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... > > Cecil > > > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or > dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: STEVE ALLEN > > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net > ) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > >> > >> Dean and Cecil, > >> > >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > >> > >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb > bowl--that makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the > needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck > closed.? The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is > loose enough for gas to run out the top of it.? More will run out > there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel line is clear, the > screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places.? > That's why I am so confused. > >> > >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about > this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we > decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last > year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been > revised to say it is a '49).? Anyway, we took the new electric > impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those > remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and > otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a > trice.? Literally three minutes, and all were out. > >> > >> Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I > had heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the > 7.? Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and > apply more heat and get the others.? Since the tractor is so close > to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get > the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to > try to move the tractor at that point.? I didn't want to have to > rebuild my cribbing. > >> > >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope > the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel > and the brakes for the '51. > >> > >> Thanks for all the help so far! > >> > >> The "original" Steve Allen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > >> From: > > >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > >>? ? > > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Steve, > >> > >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side > of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just > needs to clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The > only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the > drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > >> > >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. > These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them > from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface.? > ?Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of > the moving parts have been covered. > >> > >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment > bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is > sticking closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb > will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel > flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably > already full.? Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the > carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the > bowl.? If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you > have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle > sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor > bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in > turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous > since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not > residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > >> > >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into > the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by > lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem > temporarily. And I will think on it.? ?Its been awhile since I've > had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there > done that. > >> > >> Dean VP > >> Apache Junction, AZ > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> Message: 8 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > >> From: Cecil Bearden > > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the > housing that > >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen > out and > >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas > engine > >> without inline filters. > >> Cecil > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 08:01:35 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1beef9dd-86a4-ba1a-d69d-fc32ee8dbe15@copper.net> References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> <1beef9dd-86a4-ba1a-d69d-fc32ee8dbe15@copper.net> Message-ID: <569089340.3539131.1587394895175@mail.yahoo.com> NEAT IDEA!Thanks Spencer.David On Monday, April 20, 2020, 10:26:16 AM EDT, Cecil Bearden wrote: Good trick Spencer!!? I guess the newer generation would call? that a Hack!!!? My old mentor would call that his trade secret!!?? I sure miss that old guy.? He started out in the Blacksmith shop at 14yrs old.? Had only a 6th grade education, but could make anything run that came on the place.? I had the good fortune to work alongside this fellow when I was 14 also.? I worked with him while going to college until he retired 6 years later. The man was like a Grandfather to me.?? I suppose that is why I learned mechanics as well as I did.? Cecil On 4/20/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: That's a neat trick Spencer!? Archiving that one... SO On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:45 PM Spencer Yost wrote: It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that will fit in the drain.? ?Then attach a clear plastic tube to the barb.? ? Route the tube upward and secure then open the fuel petcock.? Look at the level of gasoline in the tube.? ?That level should fall short of the base (actually the bottom of the gasket between the base and bowl) by the exact specification mentioned for your carburetor. After having dealt with a lot of floats that have? been completely mangled by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the only measurement that seems to work. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain.? Then check the flow out of the drain...? If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl.? ?Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... > Cecil > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: STEVE ALLEN >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! >> >> Dean and Cecil, >> >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. >> >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places.? That's why I am so confused. >> >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice.? Literally three minutes, and all were out. >> >> Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others.? Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. >> >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. >> >> Thanks for all the help so far! >> >> The "original" Steve Allen >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 >> From: >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" >>? ? >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="utf-8" >> >> Steve, >> >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . >> >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface.? ?Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. >> >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? >> >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it.? ?Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.? But I have been there done that. >> >> Dean VP >> Apache Junction, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 >> From: Cecil Bearden >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? 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URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 20 09:58:11 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:58:11 -0400 Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black In-Reply-To: <1414769634.8063905.1587388366398.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> <1414769634.8063905.1587388366398.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Sounds good guys thanks! Sounds like the original is a design flaw, so maybe "The Right Stuff" is the way to go. Mike M On 4/20/2020 9:12 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I?ve used the RTV several times when I didn?t want to bother getting a new gasket, or when I just couldn?t wait for one. > > On critical installations I?ve followed the RTV instructions and applied a bead and then basically finger tight until the RTV oozed out. Issue here is that you need to get even pressure to get an even thickness. After it cures snug the bolts up. Also, it?s important to have all surfaces clean of oil and grease to make sure you gets good bond to both surfaces. > > For non critical installations, you can torque the bolts to spec, it really doesn?t take a lot to form a seal. > > When you apply the RTV make sure you apply it completely around all the bolt holes so that you don?t develop leaks at any of the bolts. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:01:47 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black > > This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag > zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs the > valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as this is > a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped steel and a > gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on them as the > upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read where I > should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the gasket maker > start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them down, in this case > 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says to tighten them right > down. > > *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, > surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble > parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening bolts. > Re-torque will not be necessary."** > * > Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over > tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what > method did you use? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Mon Apr 20 13:09:11 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:09:11 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> Steve, I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping only when the brake pedal is depressed. . Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Lets start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a needle and seat that isn't opening! If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Mon Apr 20 13:24:13 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:24:13 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> Message-ID: <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A wire will not go directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug. When you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you happen to check the drain plug operation? Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of deanvp at att.net Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Steve, I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping only when the brake pedal is depressed. . Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a needle and seat that isn't opening! If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 13:55:48 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> Message-ID: <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> Dean, The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads so you still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that is looking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor). Brian > On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked > if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain > cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain and > screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the end of the > screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for the opening to > drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A wire will not go > directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas to the needle and seat > and you know the seat is opening and still not getting gas out the > carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the carburetor bowl and find > out what is wrong with the drain plug. When you had the carburetor bowl off > to change the needle and seat did you happen to check the drain plug > operation? > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of deanvp at att.net > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS > on the '49 A wheels! > > Steve, > > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture looks like > the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a surface > perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with the shaft? Or > trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is the surface shown the > inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? > Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular to > the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that surface isn't > critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the shaft or the inside of > the barrel side that is important. The surface the brake shoe linings rub > against to provide friction for stopping only when the brake pedal is > depressed. . > > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel > run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is fills > up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it doesn't > then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug in the > carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged sediment bulb > fixture. > > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. > > Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from the > carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our > of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a > needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to the > carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the answer is > yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged sediment bulb > fixture. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS > on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no > difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that > they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if > it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out > there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens > and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so > confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more > on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the > numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took > the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect > on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and > otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it > some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans > hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. > Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the > cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT > going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to > rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info > above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for > the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of > the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to > remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat > sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs > against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective > holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I > put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get > grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but > make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills > up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a > properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float > probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor > bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually > loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the > bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a > carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its > seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment > bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is > full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure > its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it > and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on > it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. > But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would > prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the > line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without > inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Mon Apr 20 18:56:20 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:56:20 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> Brian, I hope we don't confuse Steve. All I remember is if I turn the lever clockwise the screw goes in and opens the valve. If I turn it counter clockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think. But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up two DLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA. A day ago I had one in my hand. It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confuses me every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I have been through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then I remember how the valve works. Steve will tell us which way it is. Thanks for trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimes is a full time job. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragt Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean, The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads so you still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that is looking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor). Brian > On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked > if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain > cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A > wire will not go directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug. When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation? > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Steve, > > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? > Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. . > > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel > run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. > > Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our > of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a > needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had > heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. > Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get > grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but > make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on > it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. > But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 19:08:30 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:08:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> Message-ID: I checked one before I replied. It does seem like you turn it clockwise to drain it because you are above the carburetor looking down on the upside down valve, but if you turn your head upside down to look at it, it is counterclockwise to drain.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: deanvp at att.net Date: 4/20/20 9:56 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 21 06:20:37 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> Message-ID: <1015470577.8811096.1587475237706.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise. When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall. I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close), you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Brian, I hope we don't confuse Steve. All I remember is if I turn the lever clockwise the screw goes in and opens the valve. If I turn it counter clockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think. But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up two DLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA. A day ago I had one in my hand. It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confuses me every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I have been through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then I remember how the valve works. Steve will tell us which way it is. Thanks for trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimes is a full time job. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragt Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean, The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads so you still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that is looking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor). Brian > On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked > if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain > cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A > wire will not go directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug. When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation? > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Steve, > > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? > Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. . > > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel > run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. > > Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our > of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a > needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had > heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. > Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get > grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but > make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on > it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. > But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bvandragt at comcast.net Tue Apr 21 09:13:31 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:13:31 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1015470577.8811096.1587475237706.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Okay, you guys must have aftermarket backwards valves. I've been a mechanical engineer for 23 years and I know my clockwise from counterclockwise, left hand from right hand threads, and open versus closed valves. It looks like I am the only one looking at an actual drain valve instead of making assumptions or going from memory. I have attached a picture of my drain valve removed from the carburetor and you can clearly see the left hand threads on the stem versus the right hand pipe thread that mounts it into the bowl. I would make a video of it operating if I had a third hand. It is counterclockwise to open and clockwise to close, looking at the handle end. I just didn't want somebody to break their handle off turning it the wrong way, but I guess everybody should drain their carburetors at their own risk.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: szabelski at wildblue.net Date: 4/21/20 9:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise.When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall.I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close),? you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise.Carl----- Original Message -----From: deanvp at att.netTo: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT)Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian VanDragt To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Okay, you guys must have aftermarket backwards valves. I've been a mechanical engineer for 23 years and I know my clockwise from counterclockwise, left hand from right hand threads, and open versus closed valves. It looks like I am the only one looking at an actual drain valve instead of making assumptions or going from memory. I have attached a picture of my drain valve removed from the carburetor and you can clearly see the left hand threads on the stem versus the right hand pipe thread that mounts it into the bowl. I would make a video of it operating if I had a third hand. It is counterclockwise to open and clockwise to close, looking at the handle end. I just didn't want somebody to break their handle off turning it the wrong way, but I guess everybody should drain their carburetors at their own risk.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: szabelski at wildblue.net Date: 4/21/20 9:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise.When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall.I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close),? you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise.Carl----- Original Message -----From: deanvp at att.netTo: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT)Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From philkelley at windstream.net Tue Apr 21 11:33:24 2020 From: philkelley at windstream.net (Phillip Kelley) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info regarding tractors and other skills. The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA Phil Kelley - GA From hank at millerfarm.com Tue Apr 21 12:00:25 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:00:25 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <595c4ed9-d94e-49c4-be7c-e83c210380d1@www.fastmail.com> Old computers will not boot from a USB drive, you might need to write a CD to boot from. I have that problem with some of my old computers. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, at 13:33, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both Rufus > and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the project to > my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go through all > the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb drive doesn't > boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 12:05:51 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:05:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not the expert Phil but I did manage to complete this task recently and it's still pretty fresh. Here's what I did: - On a Win10 machine, I downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (64 bit) - Same machine, I downloaded Balena Etcher - Put in a freshly reformatted thumb drive (at least that's what I did. Format not Quick Format) - run Etcher At the end of the above process, the thumb drive was bootable on my laptop, and ready to continue with the installation. I played around a bit and finally decided to partition my existing hard drive. I still have one application I need that runs under XP (for now; I am making arrangements to do that task a different way in the future). Once I don't need XP at all, the plan is to pull the HD and install an SSD and re-install Linux. SO On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:33 PM Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium. I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD. I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive. Attempts to make it bootable failed using both Rufus > and Etcher because they don't support Vista. So I moved the project to > my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again. It appears to go through all > the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb drive doesn't > boot . Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated. TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 21 12:36:24 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <20200421161349.6741321B5A@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> References: <20200421161349.6741321B5A@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <1394433199.9059130.1587497784373.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Well today was the day to start the Cub up after finally getting it all back together over the last 3 - 4 months. Took the battery off of the charger and connected it to the Cub. Put in a gallon of gas and hit the starter.... nothing. Charger indicated battery was taking a charge over the last week and was fully charged. Checked it with a volt meter and it only read about 1 volt. Looked at the tag on the side of the battery and saw that it was made in Oct 06. That and having sat for a couple of years didn?t sound like it was worth bothering with. So I ordered a new one which I?ll pick up in the next hour. Interesting thing is that I went to shut the gas off, and the bowl was basically empty, just a little gas in the bowl and a very slow drip. Thought about all the resent postings and dropped the bowl. Gas flowed in (dripped) a little faster, but the bowl would not fill all the way up. Pulled the shut off valve out expecting gas to run out, nothing. Took the sediment bowl assembly off of the gas tank, lots of gas now on the garage floor since I couldn?t catch it all. Reinstalled the shut off valve and blew into the end of the assembly and could hear air coming out were the gas enters the bowl. Removed the shut off valve and shoved a drill bit down into the end that threads into the gas tank, it didn?t come through. Tried a smaller drill bit, same thing. Took a drill bit that was just slightly smaller than the opening, and drilled into the threaded end until I could see the drill at the shut off valve opening. Gave it a good wrap on the bench and a slug of semi-solid gunk came out. Put everything back together, reinstall it, put in a gallon of gas, opened the shut off valve and the gas flowed like it was supposed to and filled the bowl. Might be the same problem that?s been being discussed for the last few days. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian VanDragt To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Okay, you guys must have aftermarket backwards valves. I've been a mechanical engineer for 23 years and I know my clockwise from counterclockwise, left hand from right hand threads, and open versus closed valves. It looks like I am the only one looking at an actual drain valve instead of making assumptions or going from memory. I have attached a picture of my drain valve removed from the carburetor and you can clearly see the left hand threads on the stem versus the right hand pipe thread that mounts it into the bowl. I would make a video of it operating if I had a third hand. It is counterclockwise to open and clockwise to close, looking at the handle end. I just didn't want somebody to break their handle off turning it the wrong way, but I guess everybody should drain their carburetors at their own risk.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: szabelski at wildblue.net Date: 4/21/20 9:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise.When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall.I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close),? you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise.Carl----- Original Message -----From: deanvp at att.netTo: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT)Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 13:04:32 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f@gmail.com> Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 21 17:09:03 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 18:04:01 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402@mail.yahoo.com> Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 18:06:35 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <978218795.579397.1587517441402@mail.yahoo.com> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <978218795.579397.1587517441402@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244@mail.yahoo.com> Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerpolkaman at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 20:05:50 2020 From: tylerpolkaman at gmail.com (Tyler Juranek) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) Message-ID: Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From deanvp at att.net Tue Apr 21 23:34:54 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Wed Apr 22 13:17:21 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** From jahaze at aol.com Wed Apr 22 13:49:14 2020 From: jahaze at aol.com (Joe Hazewinkel) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:49:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <376EF2B5-204C-4AC7-B0B9-B53838C79F50@aol.com> Is the gas cap on too tight or the hole plugged? On my cub I used to have to loosen the cap when running so the gas would keep flowing. Once I got a new gas cap things worked great. Enjoy, Joe Sent via mobile device > On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:17 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > ?I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: > On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA > On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:15:07 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:15:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: > On Apr 21, 2020, at 8:09 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . Does it make a difference if the cap is on or off the tank? i.e. could the tank be vacuum locked with the cap on preventing flow? Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 22 15:29:14 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <136674418.9925570.1587594554064.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Fresh our of ideas to answer the fuel problem except to guess that maybe, just maybe, the new assembly is not an exact replacement for your tractor(???). If you still have the old assembly do a one-to-one comparison and see if there?s something different/missing, like a small hole someplace. I?ve seen assemblies that required a detent button the be pushed, or a small screw to be turned, to bleed air out of the system in order to get fuel flowing. Doubt if that is your issue though. As far as the tire rim, yes you can put different width tires on a rim, within limits. What is important is the bead diameter. You may notice more side wall bulge with a narrower rim, and you may have to up the pressure in order to get the tire to look like the tire with the wider rim. I can put three tire widths on my Cubs rims. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dean at vinsonfarm.net Wed Apr 22 17:25:33 2020 From: dean at vinsonfarm.net (Dean Vinson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:25:33 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose Message-ID: <000e01d61905$b4f515e0$1edf41a0$@vinsonfarm.net> Hello, all. Any pro tips on how to keep the clutch cover in place on a 620? It's just a press-fit situation. The cover has a lip around the edge, mostly curled over but with three "flat spots" 120 degrees apart. They align with three spring clips attached to the inside of the pulley. Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak. But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around. Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again. I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak.? ?But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around.? Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again.?I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover.? ?Dean VinsonSaint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dean at vinsonfarm.net Wed Apr 22 18:37:36 2020 From: dean at vinsonfarm.net (Dean Vinson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:37:36 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose In-Reply-To: <20200423003341.E98E021B33@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> References: <000e01d61905$b4f515e0$1edf41a0$@vinsonfarm.net> <20200423003341.E98E021B33@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <002201d6190f$c4ed7af0$4ec870d0$@vinsonfarm.net> Oh, well that would explain it? so much for my natural mechanical intuition. :) Thanks! Dean Vinson Saint Paris, OH From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian VanDragt Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:34 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose The flat spots on the cover are clearance for the adjusting nuts. The flat springs should snap over the curled edge. Brian -------- Original message -------- From: Dean Vinson > Date: 4/22/20 8:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose Hello, all. Any pro tips on how to keep the clutch cover in place on a 620? It's just a press-fit situation. The cover has a lip around the edge, mostly curled over but with three "flat spots" 120 degrees apart. They align with three spring clips attached to the inside of the pulley. Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak. But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around. Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again. I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bvandragt at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 19:18:18 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:18:18 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose In-Reply-To: <002201d6190f$c4ed7af0$4ec870d0$@vinsonfarm.net> Message-ID: It will go on pretty hard. I use a dead blow hammer. I use a stiff putty knife and hammer to get them off.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: Dean Vinson Date: 4/22/20 9:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose Oh, well that would explain it?? so much for my natural mechanical intuition.?? :)?Thanks!?Dean VinsonSaint Paris, OH?From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:34 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose?The flat spots on the cover are clearance for the adjusting nuts. The flat springs should snap over the curled edge.Brian?-------- Original message --------From: Dean Vinson Date: 4/22/20 8:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose ?Hello, all.? Any pro tips on how to keep the clutch cover in place on a 620??It's just a press-fit situation.?? The cover has a lip around the edge, mostly curled over but with three "flat spots" 120 degrees apart.?? They align with three spring clips attached to the inside of the pulley.?? Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak.? ?But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around.? Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again.?I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover.? ?Dean VinsonSaint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Wed Apr 22 19:25:27 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:25:27 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans Message-ID: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Hi all, Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 19:48:46 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 02:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <933271993.113367.1587610126093@mail.yahoo.com> Mike,I'm over by Paw Paw (just west of Kalamazoo) and we've been having a bunch of out of control fires lately.? People trying to burn leaves and brush especially during windy conditions.? Ya well.... ? The reasoning behind the ban is, as I understand, to keep the fire dept. volunteers safe by not having to be in close contact fighting unnecessary fires.? The fewer times they have to go out the safer they should be.? And yes, you have a point that it is generally safer to burn off brush now rather than July or August and the farmers around here have a real bunch to deal with this time of year from pruning the fruit trees and grape vines.David On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:25:41 PM EDT, Mike M wrote: Hi all, Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arr44 at suddenlink.net Wed Apr 22 19:49:18 2020 From: arr44 at suddenlink.net (Alan Riley) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:49:18 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <6dca0ac8-06fc-0534-29a9-12f01869dbf4@suddenlink.net> We have had a burn ban in effect in Louisiana for about a month. The state here gave as it's reasons that the smoke might have a negative effect on people with existing respiratory conditions thus possibly making them more susceptible to the virus and also that a fire could possibly get out of hand taking first responders away from more important duties. Alan in Louisiana On 4/22/2020 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: > Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind > this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From moscowengnr at outlook.com Wed Apr 22 20:13:33 2020 From: moscowengnr at outlook.com (Dennis Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 03:13:33 +0000 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: Mike, This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. Dennis Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind > this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From hrududu at sopris.net Wed Apr 22 20:38:30 2020 From: hrududu at sopris.net (Hrududu@sopris.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:38:30 -0600 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. Greg > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: > > ?Mike, > > This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. > > Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. > > Dennis > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ?Hi all, >> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >> this? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Wed Apr 22 21:24:32 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:24:32 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <143f01d61927$17841780$468c4680$@att.net> Try the gas flow test with the gas cap off. Sounds like you are ok on the drum. Some how I'm not up to date on the wheel issue but usually a they will fit on both size rims but if one rear is 10" and the other is 11" there will be noticeable difference in profile and may cause you to wich you hadn't done it. Primarily a cosmetic issue but the wheels diameter is going to be slightly different too. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 1:17 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) 3. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (Yahoo Mail) 4. 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another > one of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all > free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will > not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the > shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw > as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting > it. I misread your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a > rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth > the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't > ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth > of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb > bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know > because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain > cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the > needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is > free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my > breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off > and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used > air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be > an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be > missing something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. > Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A > Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten > past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a > field on the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 03:47:05 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:47:05 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 04:30:32 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:30:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > ? > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >> >> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgogol1971 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 04:35:52 2020 From: cgogol1971 at gmail.com (Carl Gogol) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:35:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> In NY our annual burn ban runs from March till May 15, unless it is extended due to drought. By May 15 there is usually enough green new growth up through last year's dead growth that a fire has difficulty spreading in wild areas. In NY outdoor burns are generally prohibited except for small cooking fires. The exception is agricultural burns in certain low population townships. Even then there are restrictions on the maximum diameter to be burned and it should be exhausted before discontinuing supervision. I'm thinking that it should be extinguished before dark,, but I'm not sure. Carl Manlius NY -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Mike M Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:25 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group Subject: [AT] Burn bans Hi all, Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 05:09:42 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:09:42 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every out-of-state plate. The officers would simply remind the occupants that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day quarantine was mandatory. So the border wasn't really closed, but many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth Amendment. This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer homes in March. And then there's the golfer story. Three men from MA crossed the RI border to play golf. That's a non-work reason. They met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates. For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. Fourth Amendment? https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf BOY are we ever off-topic. SO On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have > closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property > They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area > > Bob > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > ? > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson > wrote: > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there > vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps > will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > > It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking > the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer > medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 05:33:49 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:33:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32774712-D716-4E61-A6EE-27789CAACEFF@hvc.rr.com> Steve Just made a wrong turn I guess? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every out-of-state plate. The officers would simply remind the occupants that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day quarantine was mandatory. So the border wasn't really closed, but many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth Amendment. This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer homes in March. And then there's the golfer story. Three men from MA crossed the RI border to play golf. That's a non-work reason. They met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates. For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. Fourth Amendment? > > https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf > > BOY are we ever off-topic. > > SO > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >> They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property >> They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area >> >> Bob >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> >>> It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobbyguilbeau at att.net Thu Apr 23 05:42:06 2020 From: bobbyguilbeau at att.net (bobbyguilbeau at att.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:42:06 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have Bobby Guilbeau Chief Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA 70585 Evangeline Parish, Louisiana 337-461-2962 Office From: AT On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every out-of-state plate. The officers would simply remind the occupants that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day quarantine was mandatory. So the border wasn't really closed, but many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth Amendment. This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer homes in March. And then there's the golfer story. Three men from MA crossed the RI border to play golf. That's a non-work reason. They met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates. For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. Fourth Amendment? https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf BOY are we ever off-topic. SO On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat > wrote: ? On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson > wrote: One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. Roger _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cecil On 4/23/2020 7:24 AM, drgerber at bright.net wrote: > In OH we can only bury after 6pm. Don't understand why either. Makes no > sense to me. > > Dave Gerber; Allen County OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of Mike M > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:25 PM > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > Subject: [AT] Burn bans > > Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and > the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I > know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question > for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? > I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early > spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently > have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled > spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 05:51:26 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> Message-ID: If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first responders' are out there protecting the crops. On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > Greg > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >> >> ?Mike, >> >> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >> >> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >> >> Dennis >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi all, >>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>> this? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 05:56:21 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:56:21 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> Message-ID: <58a70086-b308-dd10-7041-0031c65e73c7@copper.net> Here in OK, we have not had decent burn weather for the last 5 years.? For 30 years we burned our trash in a big concrete culvert.? During a burn ban 20 years ago my Dad burned some bedding from a sheep and caused a storage trailer to burn up costing me at least $20k in lost spare parts. ? Our wind here has been so unpredictable that burning is just not feasible? anymore. I bought an old municipal tree chipper to shred? the trees & brush I need to clear out.? I hope that after it composts a couple of years, that I can spread it with a manure spreader and get some kind of soil nutrition out of it. Cecil On 4/23/2020 7:42 AM, bobbyguilbeau at att.net wrote: > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas > are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire > departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems > for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to > limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and > further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And > of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would > pass on the virus as well. > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would > have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for > a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has > been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of > problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to > respond to the Monroe area last week. > > So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and > attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control > and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and > property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > > P.O. Box 120 > > Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 > > Evangeline Parish, Louisiana > > 337-461-2962 Office > > scan0229 > > *From:* AT *On Behalf Of > *Stephen Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans > > Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI > borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at > first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every > out-of-state plate.? The officers would simply remind the occupants > that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from > out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day > quarantine was mandatory.? So the border wasn't really closed, but > many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth > Amendment.? This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of > the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of > coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer > homes in March.? And then there's the golfer story.? Three men from MA > crossed the RI border to play golf.? That's a non-work reason.? They > met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates > there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates.? > For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called > the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged > with a misdemeanor.? Fourth Amendment? > > https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf > > BOY are we ever off-topic. > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around > it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property > They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that > area > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat > wrote: > > ? > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson > > > wrote: > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot > go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the > extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for > health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations > from taking the virus up north to the people living there > where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU > beds etc. > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:56 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote: _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 06:01:52 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:01:52 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> Message-ID: <9daf987d-d656-774c-6172-23832d3f3adc@copper.net> About 5 years ago I had to call our fire department when I had a baler fire.? I really felt bad about having to get them out on Sunday afternoon.?? They worked hard in the heat to get it put out quickly.? I had to get the 3 yd loader out to cover up one bale that just would not go out.? 2 hours work and never got a bill for it.? I just would not want to cause them any unnecessary work.. This is Tornado season here, and we just lost a life in the southern part of the state last night with a tornado.? These guys have enough work without me causing them any more... Cecil On 4/23/2020 7:51 AM, cgs wrote: > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power > given/mandated to them during this crisis, they are not doing their > leadership jobs. No one is perfect; none of us really knows how to > react to the pandemic. We do know that crowds are fertile fields for > the virus, and that 'first responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have Bobby Guilbeau Chief Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA 70585 Evangeline Parish, Louisiana 337-461-2962 Office -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 06:25:41 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 09:25:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: > > Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the > obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as > well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, > if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely > dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being > cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in > California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for > their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. > Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still > hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. > Yeah, sure. > > Bradford. > > *From:* AT *On Behalf Of > *bobbyguilbeau at att.net > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM > *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas > are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire > departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems > for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to > limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and > further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And > of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would > pass on the virus as well. > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would > have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for > a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has > been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of > problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to > respond to the Monroe area last week. > > So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and > attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control > and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and > property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > > P.O. Box 120 > > Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 > > Evangeline Parish, Louisiana > > 337-461-2962 Office > > scan0229 > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in >> California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others >> for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is >> absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are >> also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they >> want back. Yeah, sure. >> >> Bradford. >> >> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas >> are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire >> departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems >> for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And >> of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >> would pass on the virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has >> been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >> respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of >> life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> >> P.O. Box 120 >> >> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> scan0229 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep > that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >> >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in >> California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others >> for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is >> absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are >> also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they >> want back. Yeah, sure. >> >> Bradford. >> >> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas >> are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire >> departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems >> for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And >> of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >> would pass on the virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has >> been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >> respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of >> life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> >> P.O. Box 120 >> >> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> scan0229 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bobbyguilbeau at att.net Thu Apr 23 07:11:42 2020 From: bobbyguilbeau at att.net (bobbyguilbeau at att.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 09:11:42 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> Message-ID: <008c01d61979$1f7707c0$5e651740$@att.net> And red wine is good for the heart and soul?? Stay safe everyone Thanks Brad, I fall I the high risk as well. But then so does most of the folks in Louisiana, we tend to eat way to much?lol From: AT On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans All B.S. aside, Red Wine is loaded with anti-inflammatory compounds. Inflammation creates an immune response. With the virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get. I am going to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles. We used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO and stock up every trip... Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have Bobby Guilbeau Chief Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA 70585 Evangeline Parish, Louisiana 337-461-2962 Office _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential > business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Cecil > > On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: >> Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep >> that wine flowing. >> >> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >>> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >>> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >>> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >>> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >>> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential >>> in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to >>> others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives >>> is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers >>> are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say >>> they want back. Yeah, sure. >>> >>> Bradford. >>> >>> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >>> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >>> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >>> >>> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >>> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some >>> areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) >>> leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >>> >>> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing >>> problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >>> >>> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >>> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >>> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? >>> And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >>> would pass on the virus as well. >>> >>> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >>> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >>> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >>> >>> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state >>> has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >>> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >>> respond to the Monroe area last week. >>> >>> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >>> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >>> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation >>> of life and property?. >>> >>> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >>> >>> Bobby Guilbeau >>> >>> Chief >>> >>> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >>> >>> P.O. Box 120 >>> >>> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >>> >>> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >>> >>> 337-461-2962 Office >>> >>> scan0229 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> Charlie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first responders' are out there protecting the crops. On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > Greg > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >> >> ?Mike, >> >> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >> >> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >> >> Dennis >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi all, >>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>> this? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 08:23:07 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <2e355e63-996d-6523-2ef5-3a01973a4b31@copper.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> <2e355e63-996d-6523-2ef5-3a01973a4b31@copper.net> Message-ID: Come on, Cecil, that's an easy one: remember Prohibition? I'll go on record as saying that cold beer at the end of the day is real nice and I'd be a little less happy if deprived. SO On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:49 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential > business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Cecil > On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that > wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: > > Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. > It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The > idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse > gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high > risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, > as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can > to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing > money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field > workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say > they want back. Yeah, sure. > > Bradford. > > > > *From:* AT > *On Behalf Of * > bobbyguilbeau at att.net > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM > *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are > getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire > departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for > folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit > interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short > staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening > the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as > well. > > > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have > normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire > watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been > hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The > state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe > area last week. > > > > > > So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to > not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having > enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. > > > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > > > > > > > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > > > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > > P.O. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 10:07:40 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's lifted. Mike M On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Thu Apr 23 10:57:33 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:57:33 -0700 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <6dca0ac8-06fc-0534-29a9-12f01869dbf4@suddenlink.net> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> <6dca0ac8-06fc-0534-29a9-12f01869dbf4@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1be001d61998$ab274810$0175d830$@att.net> I'm not back in WA yet to see if they have a burn ban in place but I would sincerely doubt it since it still rains so much in the spring. There are two reasons for burn bans. One is fire prevention the other is for air quality. We have burn bans in the winter due to the fireplaces and wood stoves dumping too much stuff into the heavy air. But there is also a strange phenomenon we also see in WA but more so in CA. If there is an usual amount of rain in the winter there are more plants and grass growing in the Spring. Then in the summer everything goes dead and becomes a fire hazard. Here in AZ this winter we have had more rain than usual and even this spring so all the plants and flowers are out in force. Unfortunately it has set off the worst allergy season in the 14 years we have been coming down here. The scary part is the symptoms mimic Covid-19 at times. We have had our first infection and death due to Covid-19 in our small little gated retirement community of 280 homes. Fortunately no further infections that we know about after 3 weeks. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Alan Riley Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:49 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans We have had a burn ban in effect in Louisiana for about a month. The state here gave as it's reasons that the smoke might have a negative effect on people with existing respiratory conditions thus possibly making them more susceptible to the virus and also that a fire could possibly get out of hand taking first responders away from more important duties. Alan in Louisiana On 4/22/2020 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: > Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I > have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the > wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the > intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I > need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are > dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the > reasoning behind this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 11:20:21 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:20:21 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <768ecb62-d7c5-ca57-1d40-e7647fda70df@copper.net> Prior to this virus, I sold off some 15 head of calves and was waiting to get a count of which cows had calves and what I needed to sell.? I had over 50 at that time and want to get down to 20 head of mother cows.? Within 10 to 14 days I had an additional 15 calves born.? We had just bought $7500 of hay since I had not baled enough last year due to losing a lease I had for the last 10 years.? I then bought another $4000 of hay to get through the winter until the price came back up in the spring.? At that time cows with calves were bringing $750/pr.? For a short time calves came back up to $1.65/lb and I tried to get help to sort them out.? Everyone was busy and it started raining.? Now, calves are at $1.10/lb the packing plants are shut down,? no one here has enough money to buy 1/4 or 1/2 of a beef and pay for processing. and I am now sitting on 76 cows and calves at the last count this morning.? Cow Calf pairs are at $850 yesterday.? I have about enough hay to last a month.? Pasture is very short, I sowed wheat in the pasture last fall and hit 25 acres with 150lbs/acre of 46-0-0 just before a rain and a week later turned them in on the growth.? The $600 in fertilizer saved me about 1200 in hay...? We got a good rain last night, hopefully the sun will get the grass & some wheat back to growing..??? I forgot profit 3 months ago, I am just trying to keep from losing.? Cattle ranchers are almost in the same boat as the oil patch.. Cecil On 4/23/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 23 11:44:24 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Good question, Joe, and I checked it out: left the gas cap off, and it made no difference. Too much rain at the moment to get much done, and I am in the office the rest of the week, anyway. By the way, I *must* apologize for my goof in not deleting the mass of unnecessary quotations yesterday, thus cluttering up the digest and making it incomprehensible. I usually grumble about that sort of thing, and so it is only just that I grumble about my own goof. I shall assign myself due penance. I drive a couple hours to pick up a decent wheel from a salvage/parts house on Saturday. I hope this means I can have the '49 A on its feet by the next weekend. Most of the wheels I found were eaten up. We've had discussions of fluid on ATIS before. All I can say is that, if I ever have to use fluid, I will pay extra not to use something corrosive. It is disheartening to watch the rims dissolve before your eyes. Dean Vinson: I have used a pair of pliers to pull the slots on the cover open a bit, essentially enlarging the diameter, to help keep them in place. I almost lost the cover a couple times in the field. Given the number of tractors I see without covers, I suspect the problem is pretty common. The "original" Steve Allen From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 23 12:14:25 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 15:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1024111318.10625629.1587669265403.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> If available in your area, beet juice is good for filling tires. It doesn?t freeze solid in the winter. Only issue is that if you ever get a flat, it?s a sticky mess. An option is to get wheel weights, that way you can add/remove them as needed for different tasks. When I bought the Cub it had calcium chloride filled tires, the rims were eaten out in a couple of years. Purchased a set of rear wheel weights (150# each) that I can wrestle on and off between mowing grass and plowing. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) Good question, Joe, and I checked it out: left the gas cap off, and it made no difference. Too much rain at the moment to get much done, and I am in the office the rest of the week, anyway. By the way, I *must* apologize for my goof in not deleting the mass of unnecessary quotations yesterday, thus cluttering up the digest and making it incomprehensible. I usually grumble about that sort of thing, and so it is only just that I grumble about my own goof. I shall assign myself due penance. I drive a couple hours to pick up a decent wheel from a salvage/parts house on Saturday. I hope this means I can have the '49 A on its feet by the next weekend. Most of the wheels I found were eaten up. We've had discussions of fluid on ATIS before. All I can say is that, if I ever have to use fluid, I will pay extra not to use something corrosive. It is disheartening to watch the rims dissolve before your eyes. Dean Vinson: I have used a pair of pliers to pull the slots on the cover open a bit, essentially enlarging the diameter, to help keep them in place. I almost lost the cover a couple times in the field. Given the number of tractors I see without covers, I suspect the problem is pretty common. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 23 12:20:09 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> Message-ID: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's lifted. Mike M On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From magreer67 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 14:07:33 2020 From: magreer67 at gmail.com (magreer67) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:07:33 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5ea20397.1c69fb81.1d70e.ffe1@mx.google.com> I'll second that cold beer after a hard work day thing. As far as burning brush, I burn a brush pile at least once a month from March to November here in NE OH. Ive burned 3x already this Spring. Pay attention to the wind, have water available,? and use your head and the FD won't give you any trouble. I have a lot of big old trees on the property. It can just pile up during the winter months.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Offiler Date: 4/23/20 11:23 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans Come on, Cecil, that's an easy one:? remember Prohibition?I'll go on record as saying that cold beer at the end of the day is real nice and I'd be a little less happy if deprived.??SOOn Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:49 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. ? From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans ? The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. ? Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. ? The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. ? It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. ? In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week.? ? Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. ? ? So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. ? Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have ? ? ? Bobby Guilbeau Chief ? Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 ? 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URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 15:21:32 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. Mike M On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > lifted. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >> >> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >> >> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >> >> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >> >> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >> >> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >> >> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >> >> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >> >> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: cgs >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >> >> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Mike, >>>> >>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>> >>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi all, >>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Thu Apr 23 15:43:09 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:43:09 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Chipper? Tom > On 24 April 2020 at 10:21 Mike M wrote: > > LOL, I agree Carl, and we are allowed to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > > on burn bans, and why they exist. The Fire Chief and I do have a > > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > > stomp it out, but it was soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > > lifted. > > > > Mike M > > > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > > > > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > > > > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > > > > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > > > > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > > > > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > > > > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > > > > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cgs mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > > > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > > > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > > > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > > > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > > > > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net mailto:Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > > > > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > > > > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > > > > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson mailto:moscowengnr at outlook.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. > > > > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > > > > Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. > > > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > > > > > > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > > > > > > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > > > > > > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > > > > > > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > > > > > > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > > > > > > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > > > > > > giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 15:55:50 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:55:50 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <1024111318.10625629.1587669265403.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <1024111318.10625629.1587669265403.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: I use methanol.? 50/50? If you have a flat, break down one side ofthe tire, pull out the tube to the hole, clean it and patch, then reassemble.? Many times I don't even pump the fluid out..? I bought some stop leak that will mix with all fluids... Cecil t On 4/23/2020 2:14 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > If available in your area, beet juice is good for filling tires. It doesn?t freeze solid in the winter. Only issue is that if you ever get a flat, it?s a sticky mess. An option is to get wheel weights, that way you can add/remove them as needed for different tasks. > > When I bought the Cub it had calcium chloride filled tires, the rims were eaten out in a couple of years. Purchased a set of rear wheel weights (150# each) that I can wrestle on and off between mowing grass and plowing. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) > > Good question, Joe, and I checked it out: left the gas cap off, and it made no difference. > > Too much rain at the moment to get much done, and I am in the office the rest of the week, anyway. > > By the way, I *must* apologize for my goof in not deleting the mass of unnecessary quotations yesterday, thus cluttering up the digest and making it incomprehensible. I usually grumble about that sort of thing, and so it is only just that I grumble about my own goof. I shall assign myself due penance. > > I drive a couple hours to pick up a decent wheel from a salvage/parts house on Saturday. I hope this means I can have the '49 A on its feet by the next weekend. Most of the wheels I found were eaten up. We've had discussions of fluid on ATIS before. All I can say is that, if I ever have to use fluid, I will pay extra not to use something corrosive. It is disheartening to watch the rims dissolve before your eyes. > > Dean Vinson: I have used a pair of pliers to pull the slots on the cover open a bit, essentially enlarging the diameter, to help keep them in place. I almost lost the cover a couple times in the field. Given the number of tractors I see without covers, I suspect the problem is pretty common. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 23 16:12:37 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1127778087.10768883.1587683557001.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Maybe you just need a bigger fire pit. 15- 20 ft might be what you need. Usually plenty of cinder blocks for free on Craigslist. Stacking 2 - 3 hundred of them shouldn?t be that hard. Plus you can move them from brush pile to brush pile.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. Mike M On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > lifted. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >> >> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >> >> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >> >> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >> >> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >> >> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >> >> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >> >> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >> >> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: cgs >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >> >> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Mike, >>>> >>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>> >>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi all, >>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>>> this? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 16:32:00 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <217dc98b-caeb-f66d-2b8d-94c6ffbff0b7@centurylink.net> References: <217dc98b-caeb-f66d-2b8d-94c6ffbff0b7@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <1B318C71-3345-43C9-99CF-DEF25039E3B5@hvc.rr.com> Same here in NY so far for liquor stores. Gun stores are closed. Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > ? > Same thing here in MO. So are gun shops. > > Mark J > > On 4/23/2020 8:43 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >> In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Cecil >> >> On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: >>> Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. >>> >>> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >>>> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. >>>> Bradford. >>>> >>>> From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >>>> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>>> >>>> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >>>> >>>> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >>>> >>>> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >>>> >>>> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. >>>> >>>> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >>>> >>>> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bobby Guilbeau >>>> Chief >>>> >>>> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >>>> P.O. Box 120 >>>> Turkey Creek, LA 70585 >>>> >>>> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >>>> 337-461-2962 Office >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With the virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get. I am going to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles. We used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO and stock up every trip... > Cecil > > > > On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: > Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. > Bradford. > > From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. > > > So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > > > Bobby Guilbeau > Chief > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > P.O. Box 120 > Turkey Creek, LA 70585 > > Evangeline Parish, Louisiana > 337-461-2962 Office > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > Charlie > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 16:35:14 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:35:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C47DA75-9ECE-4831-B714-CC1D504CEE73@hvc.rr.com> Even Governor Cuomo felt liquor stores were essential Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:25 AM, cgs wrote: > > ? Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. >> Bradford. >> >> From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> >> So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> P.O. Box 120 >> Turkey Creek, LA 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 17:20:53 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:20:53 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <3C47DA75-9ECE-4831-B714-CC1D504CEE73@hvc.rr.com> References: <3C47DA75-9ECE-4831-B714-CC1D504CEE73@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1abb2a61-7982-05d7-b8c0-61103610c462@gmx.com> All depends on how well the Governors mansion is stocked. Mike M On 4/23/2020 7:35 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Even Governor Cuomo felt liquor stores were essential > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:25 AM, cgs wrote: >> >> ? Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep >> that wine flowing. >> >> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >>> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >>> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >>> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >>> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >>> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential >>> in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to >>> others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives >>> is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers >>> are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say >>> they want back. Yeah, sure. >>> >>> Bradford. >>> >>> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >>> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >>> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >>> >>> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >>> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some >>> areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) >>> leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >>> >>> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing >>> problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >>> >>> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >>> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >>> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? >>> And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >>> would pass on the virus as well. >>> >>> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >>> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >>> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >>> >>> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state >>> has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >>> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >>> respond to the Monroe area last week. >>> >>> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >>> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >>> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation >>> of life and property?. >>> >>> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >>> >>> Bobby Guilbeau >>> >>> Chief >>> >>> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >>> >>> P.O. Box 120 >>> >>> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >>> >>> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >>> >>> 337-461-2962 Office >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> Charlie >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 17:23:33 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:23:33 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1127778087.10768883.1587683557001.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1127778087.10768883.1587683557001.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <0a720454-1fb0-1715-1899-632c5fe117bf@gmx.com> That's a brilliant point Carl, we have plenty of rocks, are you sure your're? not a lawyer. Mike M On 4/23/2020 7:12 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Maybe you just need a bigger fire pit. 15- 20 ft might be what you need. Usually plenty of cinder blocks for free on Craigslist. Stacking 2 - 3 hundred of them shouldn?t be that hard. Plus you can move them from brush pile to brush pile.? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't > think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. > The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have > been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. >> >> Carl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike M >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information >> on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a >> history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn >> off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I >> lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got >> into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to >> stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I >> told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes >> later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew >> how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn >> ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. >> His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked >> down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never >> received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that >> it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. >> In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm >> out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by >> case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's >> lifted. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >>> >>> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >>> >>> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >>> >>> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >>> >>> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >>> >>> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >>> >>> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >>> >>> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >>> >>> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: cgs >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >>> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >>> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >>> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >>> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >>> >>> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Mike, >>>>> >>>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Hi all, >>>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>>>> this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 17:27:03 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:27:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: I wish, the only guy I know with a chipper that I can borrow is an old model widow maker. You feed it right into the high speed chipper, no slow speed feeder and no dead mans lever. i won't run it. Mike M On 4/23/2020 6:43 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: > > Chipper? > > Tom > > >> On 24 April 2020 at 10:21 Mike M wrote: >> >> LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't >> think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a >> mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I >> may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >>> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. >>> >>> Carl >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mike M >>> To:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information >>> on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a >>> history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn >>> off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I >>> lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got >>> into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to >>> stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I >>> told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes >>> later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew >>> how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn >>> ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. >>> His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked >>> down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never >>> received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that >>> it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. >>> In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm >>> out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by >>> case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's >>> lifted. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM,szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>>> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >>>> >>>> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >>>> >>>> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >>>> >>>> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >>>> >>>> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >>>> >>>> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >>>> >>>> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >>>> >>>> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >>>> >>>> Carl >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: cgs >>>> To:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>>> >>>> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >>>> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >>>> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >>>> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >>>> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >>>> >>>> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM,Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>>>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>>>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>>>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>>>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>>>>> this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 17:49:56 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:49:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1C58A436-AAED-49B4-A2EF-7058AC2A288C@hvc.rr.com> References: <008c01d61979$1f7707c0$5e651740$@att.net> <1C58A436-AAED-49B4-A2EF-7058AC2A288C@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: ?In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there is bacteria.? ? Benjamin Franklin On 4/23/20 7:33 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Cecil > > I prefer red wine when I drink wine. But my drink of choice is either > beer or bourbon. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:19 AM, bobbyguilbeau at att.net wrote: >> >> ? >> >> And red wine is good for the heart and soul?? >> >> Stay safe everyone >> >> Thanks Brad, I fall I the high risk as well.? But then so does most >> of the folks in Louisiana, we tend to eat way to much?lol >> >> *From:*AT *On Behalf Of *Cecil >> Bearden >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM >> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> All B.S. aside, Red Wine is loaded with anti-inflammatory >> compounds.?? Inflammation creates an immune response.? With the >> virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get.? I am going >> to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles.? We >> used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO >> and stock up every trip... >> Cecil >> >> On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: >> >> Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to >> keep that wine flowing. >> >> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net >> wrote: >> >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be >> the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about >> keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering >> in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell >> even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk >> due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to >> my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But >> I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their >> safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. >> Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are >> also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans >> say they want back. Yeah, sure. >> >> Bradford. >> >> *From:* AT >> *On Behalf Of >> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as >> well as typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said >> firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid >> (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short >> handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing >> problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an >> attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by >> firefighters and further short staffing of departments for >> more dire emergencies.? And of course lessening the >> possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the >> virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters >> that would have normally responded due to being embedded in >> an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day >> seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our >> state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a >> different set of problems.? The state activated our Urban >> Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply >> and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting >> out of control and not having enough people to deal with it >> ?preservation of life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> >> P.O. Box 120 >> >> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 23 18:23:27 2020 From: tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net (ustonThomas Mehrkam) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 01:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <008c01d61979$1f7707c0$5e651740$@att.net> <1C58A436-AAED-49B4-A2EF-7058AC2A288C@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1976206683.739270.1587691407451@mail.yahoo.com> Gun shops are declared an essential business here in Texas.? No burn bans for Corvid-19 On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 7:50:03 PM CDT, cgs wrote: ?In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there is bacteria.? ? Benjamin Franklin On 4/23/20 7:33 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: Cecil I prefer red wine when I drink wine. But my drink of choice is either beer or bourbon. 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Thanks Brad, I fall I the high risk as well.? But then so does most of the folks in Louisiana, we tend to eat way to much?lol ? ? From: AT On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans ? All B.S. aside, Red Wine is loaded with anti-inflammatory compounds.?? Inflammation creates an immune response.? With the virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get.? I am going to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles.? We used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO and stock up every trip... Cecil ? On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. ? From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans ? The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. ? Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. ? The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. ? It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. ? In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week.? ? Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. ? ? So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. ? Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have ? ? ? Bobby Guilbeau Chief ? Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 ? 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URL: From toma at risingnet.net Thu Apr 23 19:23:05 2020 From: toma at risingnet.net (toma at risingnet.net) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:23:05 +0300 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?Burn_bans?= In-Reply-To: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> References: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1587694985.769738492@f24.my.com> Burning is wide open through the shutdown here in California, it won't last long. As soon as the dry weather hits it will be over. -- Sent from myMail for Android Thursday, 23 April 2020, 03:21PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com : >LOL, I agree Carl, and we are allowed to burn in fire pits, > I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a > mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, > I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > >Mike M > >On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. >> >>Carl >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mike M >>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >>I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information >>on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a >>history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn >>off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I >>lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got >>into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to >>stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I >>told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes >>later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew >>how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn >>ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. >>His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked >>down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never >>received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that >>it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. >>In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm >>out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by >>case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's >>lifted. >> >>Mike M >> >>On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> >>>Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >>> >>>In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >>> >>>I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >>> >>>With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >>> >>>There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >>> >>>Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >>> >>>My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >>> >>>There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >>> >>>Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >>> >>>Carl >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: cgs >>>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >>>Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>>If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >>>to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >>>one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >>>do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >>>responders' are out there protecting the crops. >>> >>>On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>> >>>>And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>>>And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>>>Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>>>Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>>> >>>>Greg >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Mike, >>>>> >>>>>This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>>>One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>>>Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>>> >>>>>Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>>> >>>>>Dennis >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>>Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>>>and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>>>state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>>>a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>>>of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>>>burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>>>burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>>>giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:57:44 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 22:57:44 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans Message-ID: We have burned more brush than usual this year, much of it a side product of firewood cutting and accumulating saw logs. What we burn is smaller branches than many folks would be burning because we save fairly small stuff as heating fuel. Our furnace firebox is quite large and will hold enough "sticks" to heat for maybe 4 hours when loaded with wood as small as an inch in diameter as long as they are fairly straight. We don't save a lot of 1" sticks but do save anything from about 1.5" and up. The furnace will accept wood up to almost 3' long if stuck in on an angle but about 28" long is about an ideal average. When it is low on fuel a piece of firewood 12" in diameter and 30" long can be loaded. I have several brush piles of fence-row brush to burn yet but my fields there and one of my neighbors fields across the fence are still corn stubble. I will not burn those piles until those fields are tilled. I have several brush piles that are semi-permanent and I leave them for wildlife shelter. I also have several wooded places where I just toss brush into the edge over a bank and just let it rot in place. Some small stuff like raked up leaves, small sticks and raked up bark from processing get put in a pile to compost down. Once started it goes pretty fast. I should mention that son Scott who mows most of our horse lots and open areas with a 15' bat-wing is not especially fond of my wildlife shelter piles but he tolerates them. :-) At this point the horse pastures are quite green and most of them still short. They are about 2 weeks from a big growth spurt. I have maybe a couple of hundred current or future victims of the Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to drop and cut up. I also have a number of overgrown trees that are a threat to buildings etc. to cut. I dropped a smallish ash tree that I had planted for shade at one barn and its trunk will yield an 8" x 8" replacement square post for that barn. That barn needs about 8 replacement post installed. I'll have plenty of ash for them. The firewood stack will do OK but I'll have a lot of small brush to deal with. I considering a big hole... . -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 20:40:26 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:40:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cc7ea52-db5a-a855-a56e-841a83cb781b@gmx.com> Believe me when I say this Farmer, you won't realize how many Ash trees you had until the EAB moves through. Here in Michigan every Ash tree is dead. I found a young live one and transplanted it to the yard, as they make really nice trees. I treat it twice a year with Dominion 2L drench. A researcher at Michigan State University has been able to keep a yard full of Ash alive and well using this method. Time will tell if it works. Mike M On 4/23/2020 10:57 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > We have burned more brush than usual this year, much of it a side > product of firewood cutting and accumulating saw logs. What we burn is > smaller branches than many folks would be burning because we save > fairly small stuff as heating fuel. Our furnace firebox is quite large > and will hold enough "sticks" to heat for maybe 4 hours when loaded > with wood as small as an inch in diameter as long as they are fairly > straight. We don't save a lot of 1" sticks but do save anything from > about 1.5" and up. The furnace will accept wood up to almost 3' long > if stuck in on an angle but about 28" long is about an ideal average. > When it is low on fuel a piece of firewood 12" in diameter and 30" > long can be loaded. > I have several brush piles of fence-row brush to burn yet but my > fields there and one of my neighbors fields across the fence are still > corn stubble. I will not burn those piles until those fields are > tilled. I have several brush piles that are semi-permanent and I leave > them for wildlife shelter. I also have several wooded places where I > just toss brush into the edge over a bank and just let it rot in > place. Some small stuff like raked up leaves, small sticks and raked > up bark from processing get put in a pile to compost down. Once > started it goes pretty fast. > I should mention that son Scott who mows most of our horse lots and > open areas with a 15' bat-wing is not especially fond of my wildlife > shelter piles but he tolerates them.? :-) > At this point the horse pastures are quite green and most of them > still short. They are about 2 weeks from a big growth spurt. > I have maybe a couple of hundred current or future victims of the > Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to drop and cut up. I also have a number?of > overgrown trees that are a threat to buildings etc. to cut. I dropped > a smallish ash tree that I had planted for shade at one barn and its > trunk will yield an 8" x 8" replacement square post for that barn. > That barn needs about 8 replacement post installed. I'll have plenty > of ash for them. The firewood stack will do OK but I'll have a lot of > small brush to deal with. I considering a big hole... > > > . > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 20:52:06 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 22:52:06 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <3cc7ea52-db5a-a855-a56e-841a83cb781b@gmx.com> References: <3cc7ea52-db5a-a855-a56e-841a83cb781b@gmx.com> Message-ID: Dad & I planted a bunch of Green Ash tree seedlings about 30+ years ago.? I wish they had been planted where we really could use the shade to work under instead of fence rows.? We lost a couple to lightning and also to sheep eating the bark...? My Hack berry trees that I use for shade to work under, one has been eaten up by bag worms and the other had a forked trunk, the ice storm took out one side this winter and the other laid over last month when we had a 70mph North wind.? I have wanted to make a wood chip fired boiler to heat the barn with.? I have an 8inch Morbark with hydraulic feed.. Cecil On 4/23/2020 10:40 PM, Mike M wrote: > Believe me when I say this Farmer, you won't realize how many Ash > trees you had until the EAB moves through. Here in Michigan every Ash > tree is dead. I found a young live one and transplanted it to the > yard, as they make really nice trees. I treat it twice a year with > Dominion 2L drench. A researcher at Michigan State University has been > able to keep a yard full of Ash alive and well using this method. Time > will tell if it works. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 10:57 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> We have burned more brush than usual this year, much of it a side >> product of firewood cutting and accumulating saw logs. What we burn >> is smaller branches than many folks would be burning because we save >> fairly small stuff as heating fuel. Our furnace firebox is quite >> large and will hold enough "sticks" to heat for maybe 4 hours when >> loaded with wood as small as an inch in diameter as long as they are >> fairly straight. We don't save a lot of 1" sticks but do save >> anything from about 1.5" and up. The furnace will accept wood up to >> almost 3' long if stuck in on an angle but about 28" long is about an >> ideal average. When it is low on fuel a piece of firewood 12" in >> diameter and 30" long can be loaded. >> I have several brush piles of fence-row brush to burn yet but my >> fields there and one of my neighbors fields across the fence are >> still corn stubble. I will not burn those piles until those fields >> are tilled. I have several brush piles that are semi-permanent and I >> leave them for wildlife shelter. I also have several wooded places >> where I just toss brush into the edge over a bank and just let it rot >> in place. Some small stuff like raked up leaves, small sticks and >> raked up bark from processing get put in a pile to compost down. Once >> started it goes pretty fast. >> I should mention that son Scott who mows most of our horse lots and >> open areas with a 15' bat-wing is not especially fond of my wildlife >> shelter piles but he tolerates them.? :-) >> At this point the horse pastures are quite green and most of them >> still short. They are about 2 weeks from a big growth spurt. >> I have maybe a couple of hundred current or future victims of the >> Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to drop and cut up. I also have a number?of >> overgrown trees that are a threat to buildings etc. to cut. I dropped >> a smallish ash tree that I had planted for shade at one barn and its >> trunk will yield an 8" x 8" replacement square post for that barn. >> That barn needs about 8 replacement post installed. I'll have plenty >> of ash for them. The firewood stack will do OK but I'll have a lot of >> small brush to deal with. I considering a big hole... >> >> >> . >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Thu Apr 23 21:03:19 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 16:03:19 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <1047229636.1313778.1587700999721@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Locally, we have a big orcharding base. Burning prunings is frowned upon, so they get mulched. the pto driven mulchers can handle up to around 4". The prunings get wind-rowed into a central row so the mulching tractor makes, but one pass. Tom > On 24 April 2020 at 12:27 Mike M wrote: > > I wish, the only guy I know with a chipper that I can borrow is an old model widow maker. You feed it right into the high speed chipper, no slow speed feeder and no dead mans lever. i won't run it. > > Mike M > > > On 4/23/2020 6:43 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: > > > > > > Chipper? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > On 24 April 2020 at 10:21 Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com wrote: > > > > > > LOL, I agree Carl, and we are allowed to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > > > > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > > > > on burn bans, and why they exist. The Fire Chief and I do have a > > > > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > > > > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > > > > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > > > > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > > > > stomp it out, but it was soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > > > > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > > > > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > > > > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > > > > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > > > > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > > > > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > > > > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > > > > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > > > > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > > > > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > > > > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > > > > lifted. > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > > > > > > > > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > > > > > > > > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > > > > > > > > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > > > > > > > > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > > > > > > > > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > > > > > > > > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cgs mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com > > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > > > > > > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > > > > > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > > > > > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > > > > > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > > > > > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net mailto:Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > > > > > > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > > > > > > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > > > > > > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson mailto:moscowengnr at outlook.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. > > > > > > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > > > > > > Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > > > > > > > > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > > > > > > > > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > > > > > > > > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > > > > > > > > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > > > > > > > > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > > > > > > > > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > > > > > > > > giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From alfg at sasktel.net Thu Apr 23 22:46:41 2020 From: alfg at sasktel.net (Ralph Goff) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:46:41 -0600 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1587694985.769738492@f24.my.com> References: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1587694985.769738492@f24.my.com> Message-ID: <1008457b-b380-826f-e39a-771b9d46d2ec@sasktel.net> On 2020-04-23 8:23 p.m., toma at risingnet.net wrote: > > > Burning is wide open through the shutdown here in California, it won't > last long. As soon as the dry weather hits it will be over. > My dad always said that spring time was the driest and most dangerous time of year for fires and I'd agree. All that old dead grass will burn like crazy if there is a wind behind it. A little slower if its quiet. I remember helping fight a yard fire at a neighbours place a few years back. Lucky it was not windy and three of us were able to keep it from burning anything besides the dead grass and an old outhouse. Its one of the several reasons I don't miss growing flax. Having to burn that straw in the spring was stressful. We have the "controlled burn" line to call here. Phone them when we plan to burn and that way if somebody calls 911 about our fire, it will already be registered as a controlled burn for that day and the fire trucks won't be sent out (at my expense). But I won't be burning anything here. Ralph in Sask. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Fri Apr 24 09:21:58 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:21:58 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529119FD-CCF0-4473-AFB2-41C5CD199296@rdfarms.com> I used to have to handle methanol so I am providing the following as a public service announcement in case folks on the list want to try this. Quote from the MSDS is below my comments: Methanol is a great solution for tire weighting in every way except for the initial mixing. It?s it?s pure form it?s a dangerous central nervous poison and it?s odorless so you?ll never know until you?re f$&@ed. If you don?t get enough to kill you; you?ll only go blind. No respirator we tractor folks generally have around filters it either. Flammable beyond belief as well. It?s reaction is exothermic and encourages vaporization so I think you are supposed to add the methanol to the water, not the other way around. Once watered down it?s great. Won?t evaporate out, no longer flammable, spillage on the ground is safe for soil critters and legged critters (unless you form drinkable puddles somehow) and won?t freeze anywhere south of the attic circle if you use 60% by volume, 50% by weight. I know racers use it cavalierly but most racers are crazy. Correlation or cause? Buy it premixed is my advice. PS: Used to have to mix potassium hydroxide lye and methanol. Scary as heck. PSS. Drinking liquor is actually a treatment. Ethanol is believed to slow methanol metabolism. So have a bottle of Jim Beam handy. Spencer Inhalation: Methanol is toxic and can very readily form extremely high vapor concentrations at room temperature. Inhalation is the most common route of occupational exposure. At first, methanol causes CNS depression with nausea, headache, vomiting, dizziness and incoordination. A time period with no obvious symptoms follows (typically 8-24 hrs). This latent period is followed by metabolic acidosis and severe visual effects which may include reduced reactivity and/or increased sensitivity to light, blurred, doubl and/or snowy vision, and blindness. Depending on the severity of exposure and the promptness of treatment, survivors may recover completely or may have permanent blindness, vision disturbances and/or nervous system effects. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?I use methanol. 50/50 If you have a flat, break down one side ofthe tire, pull out the tube to the hole, clean it and patch, then reassemble. Many times I don't even pump the fluid out.. I bought some stop leak that will mix with all fluids... > Cecil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Apr 24 17:07:30 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:07:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5EA37F42.2010300@frontier.com> Carl Gogol wrote: > In NY our annual burn ban runs from March till May 15, unless it is extended > due to drought. By May 15 there is usually enough green new growth up > through last year's dead growth that a fire has difficulty spreading in wild > areas. In NY outdoor burns are generally prohibited except for small > cooking fires. The exception is agricultural burns in certain low > population townships. Even then there are restrictions on the maximum > diameter to be burned and it should be exhausted before discontinuing > supervision. I'm thinking that it should be extinguished before dark,, but > I'm not sure. > Carl > Manlius NY Doesn't need to be extinguished but you cannot abandon it. Plus if you have nosy neighbors you will likely get a visit from the FD or Encon. If you are in the law you won't have a problem. If you are not it can get expensive really quick. We used to run a lot of open burn calls, now it's rare but almost always on a HOT dry day with a nice breeze..... -- Steve W. From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Apr 24 21:23:39 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 00:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> Message-ID: <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> bobbyguilbeau at att.net wrote: > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some > areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) > leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems > for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to > limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and > further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. > And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter > would pass on the virus as well. > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would > have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site > for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has > been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of > problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to > respond to the Monroe area last week. > So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and > attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of > control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of > life and property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > P.O. Box 120 > Turkey Creek, LA 70585 The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but overall bans outdoor burning. I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian tank on your back! Don't miss that at all... -- Steve W. Ret. FF/EMT From cgogol1971 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 04:49:41 2020 From: cgogol1971 at gmail.com (Carl Gogol) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:49:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <5EA37F42.2010300@frontier.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> <5EA37F42.2010300@frontier.com> Message-ID: <00c001d61af7$9bdeea10$d39cbe30$@gmail.com> Thanks Steve, I start burning by 8 AM and make a call to the 911 center alerting them to an ag burn in order to avoid an unnecessary call out. I also call the non-emergency number for 911 when I'm done. -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:08 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans Carl Gogol wrote: > In NY our annual burn ban runs from March till May 15, unless it is > extended due to drought. By May 15 there is usually enough green new > growth up through last year's dead growth that a fire has difficulty > spreading in wild areas. In NY outdoor burns are generally prohibited > except for small cooking fires. The exception is agricultural burns > in certain low population townships. Even then there are restrictions > on the maximum diameter to be burned and it should be exhausted before > discontinuing supervision. I'm thinking that it should be > extinguished before dark,, but I'm not sure. > Carl > Manlius NY Doesn't need to be extinguished but you cannot abandon it. Plus if you have nosy neighbors you will likely get a visit from the FD or Encon. If you are in the law you won't have a problem. If you are not it can get expensive really quick. We used to run a lot of open burn calls, now it's rare but almost always on a HOT dry day with a nice breeze..... -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Sat Apr 25 05:41:20 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:41:20 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> Message-ID: <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> More than once, in Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, I have seen grass fires burn the dead grass over standing water! A springtime burn ban makes a whole lot of sense. Mark J > The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from > March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that > time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So > to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have > exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but > overall bans outdoor burning. > > I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight > fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road > equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across > a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian > tank on your back! > Don't miss that at all... > From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 25 08:14:54 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:14:54 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <7b2d1427-1517-64c9-5c96-6637444b0b3a@gmx.com> Around here they have done away with burn permits, they just ask that you keep it under control and manageable. I tend to call the non-emergency number and tell them I'll be burning some brush, so if they get a call they're aware of it. Mike M On 4/25/2020 8:41 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > More than once, in Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, I have seen grass > fires burn the dead grass over standing water! A springtime burn ban > makes a whole lot of sense. > > Mark J > > >> The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from >> March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that >> time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So >> to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have >> exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but >> overall bans outdoor burning. >> >> I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight >> fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road >> equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across >> a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian >> tank on your back! >> Don't miss that at all... >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From metz-h.b at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 22:47:27 2020 From: metz-h.b at comcast.net (HERBERT METZ) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 01:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <7b2d1427-1517-64c9-5c96-6637444b0b3a@gmx.com> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> <7b2d1427-1517-64c9-5c96-6637444b0b3a@gmx.com> Message-ID: <80170213.530106.1587880048054@connect.xfinity.com> Being adjacent to Fulton County (Atlanta, GA), we can only burn in winter months. Burning requires computer permits on now windy days; charged water hose and on-site supervision at all times, size of burn must be small, daylight hours only, and only natural items (no man made). Even at that there will be a couple of emergencies most every year. Herb(GA) > On April 25, 2020 at 11:14 AM Mike M wrote: > > > Around here they have done away with burn permits, they just ask that > you keep it under control and manageable. I tend to call the > non-emergency number and tell them I'll be burning some brush, so if > they get a call they're aware of it. > > Mike M > > On 4/25/2020 8:41 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > More than once, in Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, I have seen grass > > fires burn the dead grass over standing water! A springtime burn ban > > makes a whole lot of sense. > > > > Mark J > > > > > >> The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from > >> March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that > >> time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So > >> to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have > >> exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but > >> overall bans outdoor burning. > >> > >> I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight > >> fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road > >> equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across > >> a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian > >> tank on your back! > >> Don't miss that at all... > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sun Apr 26 15:21:04 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates. '49 A: We have a wheel that nearly matches. The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct. It goes tot he tire shop in the morning. If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend. Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years. Shouldn't be a big issue: it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran. '51 A: Three jobs today. We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap. I verified the point gap. I verifies we had juice tot eh coil. the, we verified we had spark at the plug. One problem DOWN. Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform. I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it. Two problems DOWN. Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again. I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter. While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet. The new sediment bowl fills without any problem. But the gas was still not getting to the carb. So I pulled the fuel line off. I blew through it, and it was not clogged. So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two. But I noticed something: the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it. The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor. So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal. Gas flowed through it and into the carb. Three problems DOWN. Well, now the question is: will it start? And the answer is: YES! It did! We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain). I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later. No odd noises or behavior. When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out. All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some. We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk. The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out. There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp. The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up. The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not coming out the check hole. Need to get more oil and grease. We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times. We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing. If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend. In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B. Crud! Crud! Crud! Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem. Its slot is chewed up pretty good. I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip: the main body is in it for now. The rest will follow as time permits. We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual). Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods! Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help. I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them. No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful. The "original" Steve Allen From tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 26 17:50:48 2020 From: tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net (ustonThomas Mehrkam) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 00:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <340690166.699616.1587948648560@mail.yahoo.com> ? Great day. Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates. '49 A: We have a wheel that nearly matches.? The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct.? It goes tot he tire shop in the morning.? If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend.? Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years.? Shouldn't be a big issue:? it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran. '51 A: Three jobs today.? We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap.? I verified the point gap.? I verifies we had juice tot eh coil.? the, we verified we had spark at the plug.? One problem DOWN. Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform.? I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it.? Two problems DOWN. Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again.? I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter.? While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet.? The new sediment bowl fills without any problem.? But the gas was still not getting to the carb.? So I pulled the fuel line off.? I blew through it, and it was not clogged.? So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two.? But I noticed something:? the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it.? The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor.? So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal.? Gas flowed through it and into the carb.? Three problems DOWN. Well, now the question is:? will it start?? And the answer is:? YES!? It did!? We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain).? I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later.? No odd noises or behavior.? When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out.? All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some.? We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk.? The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out.? There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp.? The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up.? The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not? coming out the check hole.? Need to get more oil and grease.? We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times. We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing.? If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend. In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B.? Crud!? Crud!? Crud!? Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem.? Its slot is chewed up pretty good.? I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip:? the main body is in it for now.? The rest will follow as time permits.? We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual).? Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods!? Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help.? I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them.? No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The plug will almost come out with your fingers.Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Phone. -------- Original message --------From: ustonThomas Mehrkam Date: 4/26/20 7:51 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start:? the '47 B ?Great day.Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates.'49 A:We have a wheel that nearly matches.? The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct.? It goes tot he tire shop in the morning.? If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend.? Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years.? Shouldn't be a big issue:? it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran.'51 A:Three jobs today.? We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap.? I verified the point gap.? I verifies we had juice tot eh coil.? the, we verified we had spark at the plug.? One problem DOWN.Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform.? I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it.? Two problems DOWN.Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again.? I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter.? While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet.? The new sediment bowl fills without any problem.? But the gas was still not getting to the carb.? So I pulled the fuel line off.? I blew through it, and it was not clogged.? So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two.? But I noticed something:? the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it.? The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor.? So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal.? Gas flowed through it and into the carb.? Three problems DOWN.Well, now the question is:? will it start?? And the answer is:? YES!? It did!? We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain).? I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later.? No odd noises or behavior.? When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out.? All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some.? We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk.? The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out.? There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp.? The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up.? The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not? coming out the check hole.? Need to get more oil and grease.? We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times.We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing.? If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend.In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B.? Crud!? Crud!? Crud!? Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem.? Its slot is chewed up pretty good.? I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip:? the main body is in it for now.? The rest will follow as time permits.? We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual).? Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods!? Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help.? I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them.? No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful.The "original" Steve Allen_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deanvp at att.net Sun Apr 26 19:25:59 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: <340690166.699616.1587948648560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet -------- Original message --------From: ustonThomas Mehrkam Date: 4/26/20 5:50 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start:? the '47 B ?Great day.Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates.'49 A:We have a wheel that nearly matches.? The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct.? It goes tot he tire shop in the morning.? If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend.? Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years.? Shouldn't be a big issue:? it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran.'51 A:Three jobs today.? We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap.? I verified the point gap.? I verifies we had juice tot eh coil.? the, we verified we had spark at the plug.? One problem DOWN.Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform.? I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it.? Two problems DOWN.Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again.? I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter.? While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet.? The new sediment bowl fills without any problem.? But the gas was still not getting to the carb.? So I pulled the fuel line off.? I blew through it, and it was not clogged.? So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two.? But I noticed something:? the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it.? The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor.? So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal.? Gas flowed through it and into the carb.? Three problems DOWN.Well, now the question is:? will it start?? And the answer is:? YES!? It did!? We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain).? I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later.? No odd noises or behavior.? When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out.? All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some.? We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk.? The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out.? There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp.? The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up.? The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not? coming out the check hole.? Need to get more oil and grease.? We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times.We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing.? If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend.In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B.? Crud!? Crud!? Crud!? Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem.? Its slot is chewed up pretty good.? I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip:? the main body is in it for now.? The rest will follow as time permits.? We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual).? Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods!? Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help.? I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them.? No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful.The "original" Steve Allen_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Mon Apr 27 04:49:01 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 06:49:01 -0500 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <797a5da9-788d-6e79-6773-ec032be6787a@centurylink.net> Well done Steve... Mark J Still 'plotting and planning' to do some work on Little Johnny, the '40 H. On 4/26/2020 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates. > > '49 A: > We have a wheel that nearly matches. The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct. It goes tot he tire shop in the morning. If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend. Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years. Shouldn't be a big issue: it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran. > > '51 A: > Three jobs today. We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap. I verified the point gap. I verifies we had juice tot eh coil. the, we verified we had spark at the plug. One problem DOWN. > > Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform. I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it. Two problems DOWN. > > Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again. I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter. While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet. The new sediment bowl fills without any problem. But the gas was still not getting to the carb. So I pulled the fuel line off. I blew through it, and it was not clogged. So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two. But I noticed something: the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it. The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor. So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal. Gas flowed through it and into the carb. Three problems DOWN. > > Well, now the question is: will it start? > > And the answer is: YES! It did! We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain). I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later. No odd noises or behavior. When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out. All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some. > > We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk. The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out. There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp. The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up. The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not coming out the check hole. Need to get more oil and grease. We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times. > > We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing. If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend. > > In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B. Crud! Crud! Crud! Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem. Its slot is chewed up pretty good. I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip: the main body is in it for now. The rest will follow as time permits. We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual). > > Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods! Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help. I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them. No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Mon Apr 27 13:09:07 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116848629.99699692.1588018147461.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 From: deanvp The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 17:08:00 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 19:08:00 -0500 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: <1116848629.99699692.1588018147461.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1116848629.99699692.1588018147461.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: The problem was the loop. If the tank had been several feet above the loop, there would have been enough head pressure to overcome the loop. Gas just isn't that good at flowing uphill. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 From: deanvp The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 29 14:33:16 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:33:16 -0400 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also if you filled the tank all the way you might have had enough head pressure. As I mentioned previously, my COVID-19 motorcycle project has been going very well. I?ve been taking it on test runs in big circles that are never far from the house. Been running great. However I felt vindicated today on that conservative strategy. Shortly into the run I couldn?t down shift :-( I managed to get down shifted to third after a lot of attempts and trying. With third I was able to get rolling again without smoking the clutch. Came back home after rolling through stop signs since there was no way I could get this thing down shifted further. Pulled into the garage to give it a quick inspection and found the root cause: That stick went all the way over a bracket, Between the shift linkage crankcase/transmission housing and out another bracket and wedged tight. You can see the other end near the muffler. I never saw the stick on the road and don?t remember hitting one. I don?t think I could have drove that stick in by hand. I had to break the stick to get it out. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 99660 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?The problem was the loop. If the tank had been several feet above the loop, there would have been enough head pressure to overcome the loop. Gas just isn't that good at flowing uphill. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:09 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) > > Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. > > The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 > From: deanvp > > > The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From chuck.tractor at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 15:06:33 2020 From: chuck.tractor at gmail.com (Chuck Bealke) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:06:33 -0500 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0709A1B0-36DD-42C5-A52D-A92E01D0D9DF@gmail.com> Spencer, you lucked out on that one - should be a much easier fix than transmission work. Sticks do like to get between chain and sprocket off road. Had more fun on tractors with tree limbs grabbing throttle or gov. linkage when you brushed up against them. Have also come too close to being been removed from high Farmall seats by a limb or two. At least there was the bar between lights to hang onto IF you were quick and lucky. > On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > > Also if you filled the tank all the way you might have had enough head pressure. > > As I mentioned previously, my COVID-19 motorcycle project has been going very well. I?ve been taking it on test runs in big circles that are never far from the house. Been running great. However I felt vindicated today on that conservative strategy. Shortly into the run I couldn?t down shift :-( > > I managed to get down shifted to third after a lot of attempts and trying. With third I was able to get rolling again without smoking the clutch. Came back home after rolling through stop signs since there was no way I could get this thing down shifted further. > > Pulled into the garage to give it a quick inspection and found the root cause: > > That stick went all the way over a bracket, Between the shift linkage crankcase/transmission housing and out another bracket and wedged tight. You can see the other end near the muffler. I never saw the stick on the road and don?t remember hitting one. I don?t think I could have drove that stick in by hand. I had to break the stick to get it out. > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Jim Becker wrote: >> >> ?The problem was the loop. If the tank had been several feet above the loop, there would have been enough head pressure to overcome the loop. Gas just isn't that good at flowing uphill. >> >> Jim Becker >> >> -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN >> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:09 PM >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) >> >> Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. >> >> The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) >> >> The "original" Steve Allen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 >> From: deanvp >> >> >> The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 29 16:00:34 2020 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:00:34 -0700 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels Message-ID: Hi all. I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Wed Apr 29 17:11:15 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:11:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, try here: https://www.agrisupply.com/steering-wheels/c/4900030/ Dave Maynard The Maple Hill Farm On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:00 PM wrote: > Hi all. > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Wed Apr 29 17:25:13 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:25:13 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444539383.51089.1588206314093@webmail.xtra.co.nz> > On 30 April 2020 at 11:00 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > Hi all. > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA Can't speak for the Kubota, but the SW for the B275 was the same as the following tractors: Case IH 276 (International) 434 (International) B250 (B Series) B275 (B Series) B414 (B Series) David Brown 1200 (1200 Series) 1210 (1200 Series) 1212 (1200 Series) 770 (700 Series) 780 (700 Series) 850 (800 Series) 880 (800 Series) 885 (800 Series) 890 (800 Series) 950 (900 Series) 990 (900 Series) 995 (900 Series) 996 (900 Series) Ford New Holland 2N (Model N - Series) 9N (Model N - Series) Massey Ferguson 135 (100 Series) 135 GAS / 135 PETROL 135 US BUILT 148 (100 Series) 20 (Industrial Tractors) 203 (Industrial Tractors) 205 (Industrial Tractors) 2203 (Industrial Tractors) 35 (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) 35 GAS / 35 PETROL 35 US BUILT 35X (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) 40 (Industrial Tractors) 65 (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) 765 (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) TE20 (TE20 Series) TEA20 (TE20 Series) TED20 (TE20 Series) TEF20 (TE20 Series) TO20 (TE20 Series) TO30 (TE20 Series) TO35 (TE20 Series) Massey Harris MH50 Last century, I had a spare-time hobby fitting full-power steer most of the above. So I got close and personal with the above SWs. They all shared the same wheel. After market wheels seem plentiful. Tom From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 29 20:00:46 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:00:46 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8543BBFD-B391-4D83-A257-7608746B9756@rdfarms.com> There was a company called Minn-Kota that I used a couple of times. They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking. Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it? That?s another avenue to check anyways. Good luck, Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > ?Hi all. > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From bvandragt at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 20:09:03 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:09:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: <8543BBFD-B391-4D83-A257-7608746B9756@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Evergreen Restoration does high quality recovering of John Deere steering wheels like Minn-Kota used to do:https://www.evergreengauges.com/ -------- Original message --------From: Spencer Yost Date: 4/29/20 11:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels There was a company called Minn-Kota that I used a couple of times.?? They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking.? Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it?That?s another avenue to check anyways.? Good luck,SpencerSent from my iPhone> On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:> > ?Hi all.> I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is> an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260.? Any recommendations > besides the dealers?? Low price is important.? Thanks.> > Ron Haskell> rdhaskell at juno.com> Riverside, California USA> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> _______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 29 20:21:15 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:21:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: <20200430030911.9DC0C21E77@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> References: <20200430030911.9DC0C21E77@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <8BD69DF4-DC16-446A-92D7-2377AC901BF0@rdfarms.com> I?ve used them for a few JD gauges and not only is their stuff really nice, they are easy to deal with. It?s been less than two years since I last bought something from them and didn?t notice at the time they did steering wheels too. Glad someone is doing it. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Brian VanDragt wrote: > > ?Evergreen Restoration does high quality recovering of John Deere steering wheels like Minn-Kota used to do: > https://www.evergreengauges.com/ > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Spencer Yost > Date: 4/29/20 11:00 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels > > There was a company called Minn-Kota that I used a couple of times. They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking. Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it? > > That?s another avenue to check anyways. Good luck, > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > > ?Hi all. > > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > > besides the dealers? Low price is important. 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They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking.? Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it?That?s another avenue to check anyways.? Good luck,SpencerSent from my iPhone> On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:> > ?Hi all.> I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is> an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260.? Any recommendations > besides the dealers?? Low price is important.? Thanks.> > Ron Haskell> rdhaskell at juno.com> Riverside, California USA> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> _______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 30 17:26:09 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:26:09 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project Message-ID: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone From drgerber at bright.net Thu Apr 30 18:24:49 2020 From: drgerber at bright.net (drgerber at bright.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? Dave Gerber, OH -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 30 19:46:08 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> Message-ID: <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually doing. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: drgerber at bright.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? Dave Gerber, OH -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From ken.knierim at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 20:04:34 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:04:34 -0700 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to be correct. However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show charge/dischage on the battery... or am I mistaken? Ken in AZ On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM wrote: > You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current > flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one > direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite > direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the > meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually > doing. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: drgerber at bright.net > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project > > I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the > coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring > harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese > made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the > service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no > destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and > removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. > Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my > best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and > it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a > rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. > Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight > discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge > position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. > > Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? > > Dave Gerber, OH > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project > > So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. > > After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of > the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still > needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of > running on it before I did a true running timing on it. > > As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: > > While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. > Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. > > The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. > The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine > speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years > ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact > tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his > fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the > heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I > bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for > this task. > > I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on > the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and > full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the > reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and > you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. > It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. > > For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I > was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high > idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the > carburetor to get my idle speed right. > > I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the > timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. 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URL: From drgerber at bright.net Thu Apr 30 20:19:34 2020 From: drgerber at bright.net (drgerber at bright.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:19:34 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <007201d61f67$5651eaf0$02f5c0d0$@bright.net> I will pull the gas tank back off after I run some fuel out of it; disk the garden or something; then I will switch the wires around on the amp gauge. While I have it apart again, I will photo the switch with the odd markings, as well as the cut out. If the thing seems to operate correctly while running the fuel out, although the gauge reads backwards, I will know soon enough if the battery runs dead. Won?t be far from the shop. I hate Chinese crap, but seems that switch and cut outs made in America don?t exist; or if they do I sure can?t find them. Dave in Ohio. From: AT On Behalf Of Ken Knierim Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:05 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to be correct. However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show charge/dischage on the battery... or am I mistaken? Ken in AZ On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM > wrote: You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually doing. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: drgerber at bright.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? Dave Gerber, OH -----Original Message----- From: AT > On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 30 20:29:55 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:29:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D6F8E1B-448C-4D3B-8C50-CE7C5B7748E4@rdfarms.com> A great question that I?d like to see discussed. Most (all?) of the ammeters on antique tractors I?ve run across measure the current that the generator is providing, not the current flowing to the battery. So you see an increase in current as soon as you turn the lights on. It?s true for every tractor I have and can remember having. I think maybe some cars in the pre-alternator days did it otherwise? I don?t know: it?s an interesting question. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > ? > Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to be correct. > > However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show charge/dischage on the battery... or am I mistaken? > > Ken in AZ > >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM wrote: >> You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually doing. >> >> Carl >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: drgerber at bright.net >> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. >> >> Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? >> >> Dave Gerber, OH >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. >> >> After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. >> >> As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: >> >> While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. >> >> The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. >> >> I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. >> >> For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. >> >> I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. >> >> A good day. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 30 20:37:37 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:37:37 -0500 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <1D6F8E1B-448C-4D3B-8C50-CE7C5B7748E4@rdfarms.com> References: <1D6F8E1B-448C-4D3B-8C50-CE7C5B7748E4@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <302126cf-c6d2-b1bf-909a-fd151b246fff@copper.net> Back in the old generator days, the Delco regulators had an L terminal.? In one of my old mechanic manuals,? I found out about the L terminal.? I remember this regulator was one of those square Delco regulators. Cecil On 4/30/2020 10:29 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > A great question that I?d like to see discussed. > > Most (all?) of the ammeters on antique tractors I?ve run across > measure the current that the generator is providing, not the current > flowing to the battery. ?So you see an increase in current as soon as > you turn the lights on. It?s true for every tractor I have and can > remember having. > > I think maybe some cars in the pre-alternator days did it otherwise? I > don?t know: ? it?s an interesting question. > > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: >> >> ? >> Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to >> be correct. >> >> However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is >> this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong >> side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I >> would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the >> generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should >> allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show >> charge/dischage?on the battery... or am I?mistaken? >> >> Ken in AZ >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM > > wrote: >> >> You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate >> current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the >> needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it >> reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, >> you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite >> of what the charging system is actually doing. >> >> Carl >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: drgerber at bright.net >> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> > >> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> I had an MT that wouldn't start.? Cranked but no fire. No juice >> at the coil.? Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and >> removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer >> engineering.? Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and >> nothing like the one shown in the service manual.? Had 2(two) >> inline fuses ???? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in >> the dash.? I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all >> the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips.? >> Tried to figure out the markings on the switch.? Hooked the wires >> up by my best guess.? New plugs, new points, new condenser, had >> the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust >> shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one.? Put >> all but the sheet metal back together.? Fired right up. HOWEVER; >> AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on >> ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge >> position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge >> position. >> >> Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? >> >> Dave Gerber, OH >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AT > > On Behalf Of >> Spencer Yost >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. >> >> After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static >> timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. >> First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and >> plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true >> running timing on it. >> >> As you can guess, I never got around to it.? (-: >> >> While the static timing? was close I got a sense of misfire at >> high idle.? Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. >> >> The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load >> RPMs.? The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that >> correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my >> tachometer busted probably 15 years ago.? ?So I opted for the >> shaft conversion table.? ?But my shaft contact tachometer was >> borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his >> fault:? he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t >> have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other >> tools).? So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight >> several months back for this task. >> >> I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical >> tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to >> double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs.? The optical >> tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate >> you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be >> holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft.? It >> also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. >> >> For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft >> when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test >> runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely >> took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. >> >> I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get >> the timing mark to come up.? ?I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now >> idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint >> of that misfire sound. >> >> A good day. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 04:56:00 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 07:56:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: https://www.motionpro.com So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha DT-175. SO On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash > adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, > and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the > adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far > out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started > looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the > fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a > compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice > compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it > took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five > compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s > suspicious. > > So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could > rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how > fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at > all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. > Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had > better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big > enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it > and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have > to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. > > So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel > puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be > coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak > springs in the clutch. > > The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the > covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 1 10:18:35 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:18:35 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> Guys: First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out of this infection....? The only good I see coming out of this is maybe we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some engineering services he provided..? I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN.? Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800.? When it arrived,? I found it was a 460V 3 phase.? The 3 phase was not a problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large manufacturing facilities.? I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the reason as defective.? The seller disputed the defective reason as he had sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the report.?? I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal.? I filed a not as described dispute with Paypal.? Of course the seller stated that he furnished me all the information he had available.? I sent a picture of the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800.?? Great!!!!! Not so Great.................... Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a dock.? The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper.? I need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the drivers are signing the receipt. It looks like I am back to trying to sell it.?? A used 460V plasma cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power.? A facility this large would just buy new. Hey Steve O....?? Is your company interested??? Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma From robinson46176 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:34:47 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 13:34:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve: Commercial announcement: :-) If you are chasing machines... A granddaughter of ours and her husband have such a business at Fairfax Vermont. It's called Vermont Industrial Supply. Our Daughter and her husband moved from Montana to Fairfax to work for them (and just to be close) and the three of them work at it full time. Our son-in-law works at Ben & Jerry's. They buy and sell all manner of tooling and their volume has become quite high. Most of what they sell is used but the spread of what they end up with is surprising. I can't actually make a recommendation since I have never been a customer of theirs. :-) But you might find them useful. BTW, I don't get a commission... :-) I do think that they are good people. :-) On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built > more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and > last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for > motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: > https://www.motionpro.com > > So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is > manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and > we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment > and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own > internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from > others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected > savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a > suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the > factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, > then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say > $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles > on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know > a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do > all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" > setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily > operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC > machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run > 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" > range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two > vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha > DT-175. > > SO > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > >> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >> suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >> springs in the clutch. >> >> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:43:23 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 13:43:23 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> References: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> Message-ID: Hey Cecil: Don't get your hopes up, but I will look into it. We don't really do the sort of fabrication work where a plasma cutter would fit in. That said, I am going to talk it over with one of my guys (who's working mostly from home, but comes in after the hourly folks go home) and see what he thinks. I can't think of any of our equipment using 440V (that's what we call it... like how some people say 110V, some say 120V) but we have several transformers and surely there's available 440 taps. We've got a LOT of 208/220V-3ph, and a bit of 600V-3ph. Send me whatever info you've got. Again - this is a long shot. Steve O. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > Guys: > First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out > of this infection.... The only good I see coming out of this is maybe > we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. > > I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some > engineering services he provided.. I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma > cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. > Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800. > When it arrived, I found it was a 460V 3 phase. The 3 phase was not a > problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large > manufacturing facilities. I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the > reason as defective. The seller disputed the defective reason as he had > sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the > report. I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed > by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal. I filed a not as > described dispute with Paypal. Of course the seller stated that he > furnished me all the information he had available. I sent a picture of > the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800. > Great!!!!! > > Not so Great.................... > > Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a > dock. The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper. I > need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the > drivers are signing the receipt. > It looks like I am back to trying to sell it. A used 460V plasma > cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A facility this > large would just buy new. > > Hey Steve O.... Is your company interested??? > > Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 10:51:41 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 13:51:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks farmer... quick Google search, I see they've got a Facebook page, and from there "Shop Now" I'm on their own site. Will check it out! I'll keep them in mind, but I'm only doing 1-2 acquisitions per year, and it's slowing down since the available floor space is starting to fill. SO On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:35 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > Hi Steve: > Commercial announcement: :-) > If you are chasing machines... A granddaughter of ours and her husband > have such a business at Fairfax Vermont. It's called Vermont Industrial > Supply. Our Daughter and her husband moved from Montana to Fairfax to work > for them (and just to be close) and the three of them work at it full time. > Our son-in-law works at Ben & Jerry's. They buy and sell all manner of > tooling and their volume has become quite high. Most of what they sell is > used but the spread of what they end up with is surprising. I can't > actually make a recommendation since I have never been a customer of > theirs. :-) But you might find them useful. BTW, I don't get a > commission... :-) > I do think that they are good people. :-) > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:56 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built >> more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and >> last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for >> motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: >> https://www.motionpro.com >> >> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is >> manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and >> we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment >> and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own >> internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from >> others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected >> savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a >> suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the >> factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, >> then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say >> $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles >> on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know >> a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do >> all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" >> setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily >> operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC >> machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run >> 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" >> range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two >> vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha >> DT-175. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >>> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >>> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >>> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >>> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >>> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >>> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >>> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >>> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >>> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >>> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >>> suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >>> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >>> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >>> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >>> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >>> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >>> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >>> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >>> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >>> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >>> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >>> springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >>> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Wed Apr 1 12:07:00 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cecil You might think about picking up a 240/3 Phase to 460/3 phase transformer in a suitable size Might make out better with less hassle Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Hey Cecil: > > Don't get your hopes up, but I will look into it. We don't really do the sort of fabrication work where a plasma cutter would fit in. That said, I am going to talk it over with one of my guys (who's working mostly from home, but comes in after the hourly folks go home) and see what he thinks. I can't think of any of our equipment using 440V (that's what we call it... like how some people say 110V, some say 120V) but we have several transformers and surely there's available 440 taps. We've got a LOT of 208/220V-3ph, and a bit of 600V-3ph. Send me whatever info you've got. Again - this is a long shot. > > Steve O. > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> Guys: >> First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out >> of this infection.... The only good I see coming out of this is maybe >> we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. >> >> I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some >> engineering services he provided.. I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma >> cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. >> Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800. >> When it arrived, I found it was a 460V 3 phase. The 3 phase was not a >> problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large >> manufacturing facilities. I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the >> reason as defective. The seller disputed the defective reason as he had >> sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the >> report. I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed >> by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal. I filed a not as >> described dispute with Paypal. Of course the seller stated that he >> furnished me all the information he had available. I sent a picture of >> the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800. >> Great!!!!! >> >> Not so Great.................... >> >> Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a >> dock. The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper. I >> need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the >> drivers are signing the receipt. >> It looks like I am back to trying to sell it. A used 460V plasma >> cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A facility this >> large would just buy new. >> >> Hey Steve O.... Is your company interested??? >> >> Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 1 12:12:36 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:12:36 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rather just sell it as I already have 2 80 amp machines and a 40 amp, one is 3 phase 230V, all Thermal Dynamics.? I should have just bought him a new 30 amp cutter, it would have enough power for most of his use and not that expensive. Cecil On 4/1/2020 2:07 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Cecil > > You might think about picking up a 240/3 Phase to 460/3 phase > transformer in a suitable size ? Might make out better with less hassle > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> Hey Cecil: >> >> Don't get your hopes up, but I will look into it.? We don't really do >> the sort of fabrication work where a plasma cutter would fit in.? >> That said, I am going to talk it over with one of my guys (who's >> working mostly from home, but comes in after the hourly folks go >> home) and see what he thinks.? I can't think of any of our equipment >> using 440V (that's what we call it... like how some people say 110V, >> some say 120V) but we have several transformers and surely there's >> available 440 taps. We've got a LOT of 208/220V-3ph, and a bit of >> 600V-3ph. Send me whatever info you've got.? Again - this is a long shot. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cecil Bearden > > wrote: >> >> Guys: >> First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can >> keep out >> of this infection....? The only good I see coming out of this is >> maybe >> we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. >> >> I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some >> engineering services he provided..? I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma >> cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. >> Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of >> $800. >> When it arrived,? I found it was a 460V 3 phase.? The 3 phase was >> not a >> problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large >> manufacturing facilities.? I filed a dispute with Ebay and I >> listed the >> reason as defective.? The seller disputed the defective reason as >> he had >> sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the >> report.?? I tried again, and was advised that the case had been >> closed >> by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal.? I filed a not as >> described dispute with Paypal.? Of course the seller stated that he >> furnished me all the information he had available.? I sent a >> picture of >> the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for >> $800. >> Great!!!!! >> >> Not so Great.................... >> >> Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a >> dock.? The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the >> shipper.? I >> need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the >> drivers are signing the receipt. >> It looks like I am back to trying to sell it.?? A used 460V plasma >> cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A >> facility this >> large would just buy new. >> >> Hey Steve O....?? Is your company interested??? >> >> Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 1 13:20:26 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Message-ID: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl From jtchall at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 1 18:06:41 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:06:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 years--and it was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial drill, long bed TOS, 3 grinders and some small stuff from an acquaintance that was retiring). All 3 of our CNC lathes are Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them hard like a lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ John Hall On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. ?Japanese bikes are > built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just > last and last.? I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE > go-to source for motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion > Pro: https://www.motionpro.com > > So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is > manage and grow our CNC capabilities.? We are small, funds are tight, > and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance?a sweet new piece of > equipment and pay for it by selling parts to others.? We build parts > for our own internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently > purchase from others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, > and use the projected savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC > equipment.? Once I locate a suitable machine and coordinate shipping > and rigging, it lands on the factory floor, I next get it all set up, > leveled, aligned, and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong.? > Bear in mind we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K > new in 1997, so they have some miles on them.? I do all the necessary > refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great independent CNC > repair tech for stuff that is beyond me.? Then I do all the > programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" > setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily > operation.? Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these > CNC machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still > happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances > in the?+/-0.0001" range.? I like older Japanese stuff.? Back to your > Kawasaki, we've got two vintage bikes:? my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 > and I've got a '75 Yamaha DT-175. > > SO > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost > wrote: > > So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash > adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to > start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it > because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell > they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been > happening.? So I started looking for other explanations.? I seem > to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I > didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test:? > For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 > both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 > seconds of starter time to actually get the four or? five > compression strokes you need to get a max reading.? Hmmm.? ?That?s > suspicious. > > So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I > could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a > look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine.? The > engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it > would catch and turn over once.? Clearly the starter clutch was > slipping.? ?This would explain why I had better luck roll starting > it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m > small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and > that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I > have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. > > So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like > flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately > needs. They should be coming in a few days.? My guess when I get > it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. > > The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before > the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moscowengnr at outlook.com Wed Apr 1 18:27:12 2020 From: moscowengnr at outlook.com (Dennis Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 01:27:12 +0000 Subject: [AT] OT: Take extra care buying on Ebay. In-Reply-To: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> References: <7de89a39-11a7-bf33-6f67-d93c532c2359@copper.net> Message-ID: Cecil, I will try and remember this if we ever get a need for this. The shop I manage has 3 phase 440 for the cranes. Issue is right now with oilfield slow, we are not doing any fabrication. Thanks, Dennis Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?Guys: > First I hope that everyone is safe at home or wherever you can keep out of this infection.... The only good I see coming out of this is maybe we will start buying medicines and equipment from US manufacturers. > > I purchased a plasma cutter for a friend to use in payment for some engineering services he provided.. I bought a Esab PCM-875 plasma cutter on a cart with extension cord from a seller in Nashville TN. Seller finally agreed to pay for shipping for a selling price of $800. When it arrived, I found it was a 460V 3 phase. The 3 phase was not a problem but the 460V is a commercial power used mainly by large manufacturing facilities. I filed a dispute with Ebay and I listed the reason as defective. The seller disputed the defective reason as he had sent it out for testing at a welding repair service and supplied the report. I tried again, and was advised that the case had been closed by Ebay but I should file a dispute with Pay Pal. I filed a not as described dispute with Paypal. Of course the seller stated that he furnished me all the information he had available. I sent a picture of the voltage decal on the back and Paypal decided in my favor for $800. Great!!!!! > > Not so Great.................... > > Seller's location is a Controlled environment self storage without a dock. The shipping charge is $300 or more depending on the shipper. I need a signed receipt to get my refund and during this pandemic, the drivers are signing the receipt. > It looks like I am back to trying to sell it. A used 460V plasma cutter would be hard to sell to anyone with 460V power. A facility this large would just buy new. > > Hey Steve O.... Is your company interested??? > > Cecil out in the country in OKlahoma > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:44:28 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 20:44:28 -0500 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <62EC854249054B5FA6CEB3534060B0E4@JimDesktop> Could it be the remains of a tool box base or the bracket the tool box attached to? Could it be rusted remains of the battery box base? Otherwise, doesn?t sound familiar. Got a picture? Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 3:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 22:12:14 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 00:12:14 -0500 Subject: [AT] Better build a bigger shed In-Reply-To: <000001d60713$2378a310$6a69e930$@att.net> References: <5BAAC386B2E94B09B4A651D64F0C5563@JimDesktop> <02a301d60705$5e655b20$1b301160$@att.net> <000001d60713$2378a310$6a69e930$@att.net> Message-ID: A near copy of the other chart on that page (horses vs. tractors) is also in the USDA yearbook. I started looking at the references, finally noticed the connection. The EH web page has this reference: Gray, R. B. The Agricultural Tractor: 1855 ? 1950. St. Joseph, Michigan: American Society of Agricultural Engineers, 1954 (revised, 1975). The relevant chapter in the 1960 yearbook, ?The Development of the Tractor? was written by E. M. Dieffenbach and R. B. Gray. So it goes back to the same source data but was updated over the years. Jim Becker From: deanvp at att.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:16 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Here is where this chart came from: https://eh.net/encyclopedia/economic-history-of-tractors-in-the-united-states/ Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ From: AT On Behalf Of Jim Becker Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:03 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Interesting. Pretty similar to the one I was looking at, but different enough to suggest the data was separately gathered. Mine came from the USDA yearbook 1960, Power To Produce. Thus the chart stops at 1958. Where did yours come from? Jim Becker From: deanvp at att.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:37 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ From: AT On Behalf Of Jim Becker Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:59 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Somewhat of a SWAG, but there were about 4.8 million tractors in the US in 1960, exclusive of garden tractors. Certainly many of the then 30 or more year old tractors were already gone. So numbers originally produced by 1960 would be higher, call the total 6 million. The annual production peaked in 1951, just over 600 thousand. It dropped off sharply after that. I doubt that as many have been built in the 60 years since 1960 as in the 60 years prior. Call it another 4 million. That puts total US production in the range of 10 million. What about the rest of the world? Maybe as many more as the US built? If so, that would put total world production around 20 million. That has to be about the right order of magnitude. Adding in garden tractors, and even deciding what a garden tractor is will make a big difference. Jim Becker From: Indiana Robinson Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 8:14 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Better build a bigger shed Speaking of a billion tractors... Does anyone have a handle on how many tractors have been built in the world in the last 120 years? I'm not too sure where you would draw a line between "tractors" and "garden tractors". 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When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 03:03:24 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 06:03:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the 1990's. They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one machine used to have a single-stick tube that I retrofitted with an Ebay bar feeder) and we run them unattended after-hours, aka "lights-out". Despite having worked in unknown other shops and beat who-knows how hard, they all can still hold tenths, and the Tsugami has encoders that go out to .00001" - not that we could ever work to that level of precision; between thermal issues and the ability to make measurements down there, that's way beyond what we need or could possibly do. We're slowing down but we're still plodding forward, customers are still ordering, some. We're keeping the people employed and building inventory where it makes sense. SO On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall wrote: > My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 years--and it > was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial drill, long bed TOS, 3 > grinders and some small stuff from an acquaintance that was retiring). All > 3 of our CNC lathes are Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them > hard like a lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that > couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention > from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ > > John Hall > > > On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built > more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and > last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for > motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: > https://www.motionpro.com > > So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is > manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and > we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment > and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own > internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from > others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected > savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a > suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the > factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, > then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say > $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles > on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know > a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do > all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" > setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily > operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC > machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run > 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" > range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two > vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha > DT-175. > > SO > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > >> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >> suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >> coming in a few days. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 06:21:49 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> Message-ID: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From jahaze at aol.com Thu Apr 2 07:48:15 2020 From: jahaze at aol.com (Joe Hazewinkel) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:48:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <96D0EF5F-824D-4CB7-94A1-D08F03662FBD@aol.com> Are they the protective covers that go over the wires for the fender lights? Enjoy, Joe Sent via mobile device > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:21 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > ?Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 08:10:54 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:10:54 -0500 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <47048402.19827066.1585772426629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <075801d608c7$b1e2e740$15a8b5c0$@att.net> <872616797.20389832.1585833709257.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> Sounds like you have the deluxe seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seat bracket to the left of the battery. That voids my earlier tool box comment as the tool boxes are different. What year Cub is it? The only things I can think of that would be that thin are the clips that hold the wiring harness. Most of them are nowhere near 1 1/2 inches wide. I think we need that picture. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:21 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. Anybody have any idea what they?re for? Carl _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 12:28:44 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 12:34:12 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <735532390.20688725.1585856052629.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Looks like the picture didn?t get sent, I?ll ty again Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 12:52:35 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:52:35 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: I think the mailing list strips off all attachments. You can try sending the picture directly to those of us that have replied to this thread (or put it on a picture site somewhere). The standard pan seat is held by a mount that is on the same side of the battery as the tool box. I'm still unsure what you have. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:28 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 13:05:30 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <980108310.20685481.1585855724361.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1171384671.20716653.1585857930635.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Got a response from the list that the pictures exceeded the limit size and may be sent after they?re reviewed. If they don?t get OK?d I?ll try sending them one at a time. The seat mount is on the same side as the tool box, held in by two large bolts with two extra holes to allow for a position adjustment. The tool box attaches over the two large bolts by a single small bolt on the front of the mount. It?s the basic seat according to the owner?s and maintenance manuals I have. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Cc: szabelski at wildblue.net, Jim Becker Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Pictures I think the mailing list strips off all attachments. You can try sending the picture directly to those of us that have replied to this thread (or put it on a picture site somewhere). The standard pan seat is held by a mount that is on the same side of the battery as the tool box. I'm still unsure what you have. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:28 PM To: Antique Group Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures From jtchall at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 2 19:13:25 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 22:13:25 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: About .0002' is as close as I care to hold. We often make offsets of .0002-3. Want some fun, try turning something 1/4" in dia sticking about 1 1/2" out of the chuck---a 10" 3 jaw that is. Slow on work so we pulled back in a job we had subbed to a screw machine shop. Yeah, those Swiss machines will kick my butt all day on the tiny stuff. John Hall On 4/2/2020 6:03 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the 1990's.? > They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one machine used to > have a single-stick tube that I retrofitted with an Ebay bar feeder) > and we run them unattended after-hours,?aka "lights-out".? Despite > having worked in unknown other shops and beat who-knows how hard, they > all can still hold tenths, and the Tsugami has encoders that go out to > .00001" - not that we could ever work to that level of precision; > between thermal issues and the ability to make?measurements down > there, that's way beyond what we need or could possibly do.? We're > slowing down but we're still plodding forward, customers are still > ordering, some.? We're keeping the people employed and building > inventory where it makes sense. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall > wrote: > > My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 > years--and it was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial > drill, long bed TOS, 3 grinders and some small stuff from an > acquaintance that was retiring). All 3 of our CNC lathes are > Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them hard like a lot > of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that couldn't > repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention > from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ > > John Hall > > > On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer.? ?Japanese bikes >> are built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... >> they just last and last.? I see you're tooling up, and wanted to >> mention THE go-to source for motorcycle-specific special service >> tools, Motion Pro: https://www.motionpro.com >> >> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do >> is manage and grow our CNC capabilities.? We are small, funds are >> tight, and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance?a sweet >> new piece of equipment and pay for it by selling parts to >> others.? We build parts for our own internal needs, so I pick and >> choose parts we currently purchase from others, figure out what >> we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected savings to >> fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment.? Once I locate a >> suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on >> the factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, >> and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong.? Bear in mind >> we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in >> 1997, so they have some miles on them.? I do all the necessary >> refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great independent >> CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me.? Then I do all the >> programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed >> "cookbook" setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor >> guys for daily operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main >> point was that these CNC machines are Japanese, and ~25 years >> later, they will still happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, >> and still hold tolerances in the?+/-0.0001" range.? I like older >> Japanese stuff.? Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two vintage >> bikes:? my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha >> DT-175. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost > > wrote: >> >> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve >> lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been >> awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common >> culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were >> definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out >> to affect starting to a degree its been happening.? So I >> started looking for other explanations.? I seem to have spark >> and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think >> it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test:? For a >> 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 >> both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took >> 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or? >> five compression strokes you need to get a max reading.? >> Hmmm.? ?That?s suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off >> so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I >> took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the >> engine.? The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every >> 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once.? Clearly the >> starter clutch was slipping.? ?This would explain why I had >> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the >> engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a >> pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable >> where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to >> be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like >> flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately >> needs. They should be coming in a few days.? 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URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 2 19:57:58 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 22:57:58 -0400 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B4F7664-5FAB-424D-A474-8FB6063FB749@rdfarms.com> Hey folks, Just a reminder that the list only allows messages under 2MB. Carl, the messages you sent were a tad over 5MB and that is why they were held for moderation. In this era of smart phones with picture resolutions that are HUGE, folks need to resize their pics before they send them. Fortunately most email clients will do that on the fly for you but I realize that not all clients do. There have been discussions on the list in the past as to some good utilities for resizing pics before you send so I?ll refrain from discussing them here. I could remove the limit entirely, but with today?s cameras folks would be sending massive messages and I think many of us would start having storage problems at our ISP. So I don?t think that is an answer. Hope this helps, Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?I think the mailing list strips off all attachments. You can try sending the picture directly to those of us that have replied to this thread (or put it on a picture site somewhere). > > The standard pan seat is held by a mount that is on the same side of the battery as the tool box. I'm still unsure what you have. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:28 PM > To: Antique Group > Subject: [AT] Fwd: Pictures > > Sent this out but I think it was not delivered since I got an error message from the list, so I am sending it again. > > They are not for the taillight harness since they sit flat against the axle extension, nothing would fit under them. > > I have the basic seat, just a metal pan with a single drain hole. No cushion or arm rests. > > The Cub is a 1950, or so I was told by the PO. Makes sense since I have the older wire mesh grill which would be right for that year. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 2 20:02:13 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 23:02:13 -0400 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> References: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> Message-ID: I?ll let that one 5MB message they so we can help with this identification. Expect it shortly.... Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?Sounds like you have the deluxe seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seat bracket to the left of the battery. That voids my earlier tool box comment as the tool boxes are different. What year Cub is it? > > The only things I can think of that would be that thin are the clips that hold the wiring harness. Most of them are nowhere near 1 1/2 inches wide. I think we need that picture. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:21 AM > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. > > Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. > > I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. > > What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. > > I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: deanvp at att.net > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? > > http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 > > > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM > To: Antique Group > Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. > > The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. > > I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. > > Anybody have any idea what they?re for? > > Carl > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 2 12:44:13 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Hope this one works. 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Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group < at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Pictures ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Susan Szabelski < szabelski.c.s at gmail.com> To: Szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pictures -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 03:38:00 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 06:38:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John - Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. The job you mention is 6 diameters - that's a lot! I hope at least it's steel. I only deal with this issue when making back cuts on the sub. We cut a lot of aluminum. I have to keep it down to 3 diameters, and I still have to deal with taper. We deal with a couple local general job-shops, and among the rows of verticals and conventional lathes, they each have at least one Swiss over in the corner. As you know, there's always those special jobs a Swiss machine can hit out of the park. But they're kind of their own special beast too, a little different mind-set. And in our case, with the older machines, there's no Mastercam or conversational programming involved, just straight G-code not to mention wait-codes to coordinate the sub. Programming can get tricky; fortunately I enjoy it. I make a game out of avoiding crashes when developing a new job (and I'd score myself around an A-minus) SO On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:13 PM John Hall wrote: > About .0002' is as close as I care to hold. We often make offsets of > .0002-3. Want some fun, try turning something 1/4" in dia sticking about 1 > 1/2" out of the chuck---a 10" 3 jaw that is. Slow on work so we pulled back > in a job we had subbed to a screw machine shop. Yeah, those Swiss machines > will kick my butt all day on the tiny stuff. > > John Hall > > > On 4/2/2020 6:03 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the 1990's. > They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one machine used to have a > single-stick tube that I retrofitted with an Ebay bar feeder) and we run > them unattended after-hours, aka "lights-out". Despite having worked in > unknown other shops and beat who-knows how hard, they all can still hold > tenths, and the Tsugami has encoders that go out to .00001" - not that we > could ever work to that level of precision; between thermal issues and the > ability to make measurements down there, that's way beyond what we need or > could possibly do. We're slowing down but we're still plodding forward, > customers are still ordering, some. We're keeping the people employed and > building inventory where it makes sense. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall wrote: > >> My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 years--and it >> was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial drill, long bed TOS, 3 >> grinders and some small stuff from an acquaintance that was retiring). All >> 3 of our CNC lathes are Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them >> hard like a lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that >> couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need some attention >> from the dealer. Of course as slow as things are now........ >> >> John Hall >> >> >> On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer. Japanese bikes are built >> more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go figure)... they just last and >> last. I see you're tooling up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for >> motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: >> https://www.motionpro.com >> >> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things I do is >> manage and grow our CNC capabilities. We are small, funds are tight, and >> we aren't a job-shop so I can't just finance a sweet new piece of equipment >> and pay for it by selling parts to others. We build parts for our own >> internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently purchase from >> others, figure out what we can save doing it inhouse, and use the projected >> savings to fund the acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a >> suitable machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the >> factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, and powered, >> then on to figuring out what's wrong. Bear in mind we're talking say >> $15,000 for a machine that was $200K new in 1997, so they have some miles >> on them. I do all the necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know >> a great independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me. Then I do >> all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally write detailed "cookbook" >> setup instructions so I can hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily >> operation. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC >> machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still happily run >> 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold tolerances in the +/-0.0001" >> range. I like older Japanese stuff. Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two >> vintage bikes: my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha >> DT-175. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash >>> adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, >>> and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >>> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far >>> out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started >>> looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the >>> fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a >>> compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice >>> compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it >>> took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five >>> compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s >>> suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could >>> rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how >>> fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >>> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. >>> Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had >>> better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big >>> enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it >>> and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have >>> to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel >>> puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be >>> coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >>> springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the >>> covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Fri Apr 3 05:01:19 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 07:01:19 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... Mark J Columbia, MO On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Hi John - > > Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job that we > hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter.? Don't need all that > precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys setup sheets > with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > dead-on quite easily.? Keeps me from having to even think about > tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 05:50:22 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 08:50:22 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark: YouTube is (of course) awash with CNC Swiss videos. First several that come up in a search aren't all that great, because they tend to narrow-focus on the actual cutting area. Whereas if you don't have a decent handle on the big picture going in, this becomes a jumbled collection of cutting tools coming in from seemingly oddball angles and making chips fly. The link I'm providing is pretty good at providing an overview. In the first couple minutes he gets into the weeds a bit with a tiny 4mm machine, but around 3:15 he turns attention to a 20mm machine which is pretty typical of the breed. As a trivial side-note, this video features Citizen machines, and yes it's the same company that makes watches. We have 3 Star machines, and yes it's Star Micronics, the printer company. https://youtu.be/1lNXDNwAlZc I've tried to video our machines in action, but it's futile because of the coolant splashing everywhere. Most videos trying to demo Swiss will cut brass so they can kill the coolant for this exact reason. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 8:01 AM Mark Johnson wrote: > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > Mark J > > Columbia, MO > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi John - > > > > Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 3 06:22:50 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 09:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: References: <86A783B2163941B2882E30BADE2C1E3D@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <1062263120.21357653.1585920170884.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Thanks Spencer, I didn?t think to check the size of the files before posting. If I had, I would have sent them one at a time or tried to get pictures that weren't so large. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Spencer Yost To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 23:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question I?ll let that one 5MB message they so we can help with this identification. Expect it shortly.... Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?Sounds like you have the deluxe seat. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seat bracket to the left of the battery. That voids my earlier tool box comment as the tool boxes are different. What year Cub is it? > > The only things I can think of that would be that thin are the clips that hold the wiring harness. Most of them are nowhere near 1 1/2 inches wide. I think we need that picture. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:21 AM > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Not part of the tool box, it?s on the opposite side of the battery box and attaches to the seat mount with one bolt. > > Not part of the battery box, you can?t get to the four bolts unless you remove the battery box. > > I?ll try to get a picture of the one that I still have since it was mostly there when I undid the bolts. The second one was 95% gone. > > What puzzles me is that they?re thin and don?t attach to anything except the axle extension (actually the two forward bolts also attach the floor pan the the axle extension). So not something of significant strength and not accessible unless you remove the battery box. > > I originally thought part of the electrical grounding since the battery box bolts to the floor pan, and the floor pan bolts to the axle extension using two of the same bolts that these pieces were using. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: deanvp at att.net > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:21:21 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Do any of the parts look like a component of a Cub battery box as shown in this site? > > http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 > > > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:20 PM > To: Antique Group > Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question > > Been working on the Cub for the last 11 - 12 weeks and should have it done in a couple more. When I was taking the tractor apart there were two thin metal strips that were bolted to the axle extension next to the battery box. Both were pretty rusted away and only one of them had a single hole that was still there. I never noticed them before in all the years that I?ve had the Cub, they pretty much blended in with all the rust. The two most rear bolts in the axle extension were pretty rusted away and I had to use bolt extractors to get them out of the axle extension. > > The strips are about 1-1/2 inches wide and about 4 - 5 inches long. Both were bolted between one of the floor pan bolts and one of the other bolts that threads into the axle extension (the floor pan bolts secure the floor pan to the axle extension). Essentially they were bolted between the four bolts that thread into the axle extension. I see no purpose for them and don?t plan on making replacements. > > I doubt very much if they are/were for attaching any implement since they are so thin. I thought maybe they were for grounding purposes, but that doesn?t make sense since the four bolts all thread into the axle extension, and the grounding of the tractor is from the battery box the the back of the transmission. > > Anybody have any idea what they?re for? > > Carl > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 06:46:37 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 08:46:37 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, here in OK there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job was wire forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a jig to bend the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it above the stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot welder and had traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs offshore.? So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? 2ea Kearney Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with the newer Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table.? Now they just sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then I was going to build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank grinder set up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building it was stored under. Cecil On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > Mark J > > Columbia, MO > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi John - >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job that we >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys setup sheets >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 07:27:26 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 10:27:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited for plasma. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings > to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the > stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical > school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to > keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on > crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills > one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set > up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building > it was stored under. > Cecil > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > Mark J > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Hi John - > >> > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about > >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 08:46:01 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 11:46:01 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that > list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & > fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge > HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, > and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C > collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, > the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, > indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, > etc etc. > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, > it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that > involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with > a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet > material most suited for plasma. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about >> >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 09:01:31 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 11:01:31 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading.? It was one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to try to get working.?? I also have a 40 ton horn press.? in addition to the 40 ton ironworker.? and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine.? There is a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines....? There are not very many young folks that know how to operate these old machines.? Just not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either..? Both old guys that were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was > about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of > the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the > bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part being made, which > is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe.? Then I fire it up > to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, > then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due > to the coolant splash.? Then it does the bar change, consisting of > pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to > make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and > feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff > on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making little > tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one > (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head > Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw.? The magic > is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck > for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various > precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, indexing > heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, > etc etc. > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? > Unfortunately, it's a pass.? Sorry.? We have this one job we're > developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're > already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite well.? > We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited for plasma. > > SO > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, > here in OK > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job > was wire > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a jig > to bend > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I > had to roll > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld > the rings > to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it > above the > stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot > welder and had > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a > technical > school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency > drive to > keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my > talents on > crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs > offshore. > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a > 9x40 lathe, > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea > Kearney > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model > Cincinnati > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of > knee mills > one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with > the newer > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now > they just > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then I was > going to > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank > grinder set > up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the > building > it was stored under. > Cecil > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. > I've been a > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely > fascinating - > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > Mark J > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Hi John - > >> > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job > that we > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be > more like > >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and > also long > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need > all that > >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys > setup sheets > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit > the numbers > >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 09:43:17 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:43:17 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: You "forgot" a 48 x 120? ;-) I guess you must not be walking past it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however. CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand! Used machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and cutting you a check for the whole lot. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the 24in > shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside that > was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates American > Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading. It was one the > Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships. I have another > 36in that I need to try to get working. I also have a 40 ton horn press. > in addition to the 40 ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, > and somewhere around here is an old screw machine. There is a couple of > multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines.... There are not > very many young folks that know how to operate these old machines. Just > not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either.. Both old guys that > were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about > to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole > thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder > sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of > our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last > possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part > being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. > Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the > end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a > new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue > automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that >> list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >> etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, >> it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that >> involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with >> a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> wrote: >> >>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >>> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >>> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >>> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >>> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >>> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >>> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >>> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >>> it was stored under. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>> > >>> > Mark J >>> > >>> > Columbia, MO >>> > >>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >> Hi John - >>> >> >>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >>> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >>> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >>> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 3 13:11:07 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 16:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <922009092.21705714.1585944667814.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Cecil, Sounds like you should have an auction and recoup some of your investments. You don?t have to have it on your property, you can do it online, so there?s no crowd milling around all day tearing up your lawn or helping themselves to small stuff. Here?s a site that I keep an eye on and have purchased tools from by bidding online: https://www.estatesales.net/ Just enter you zip code and you can get an idea of estate and online sales in your area. They handle a lot of estate sales, but I?ve seen plenty of shops sell their machinery through online bidding. They take a piece of the profits, but it saves you from having to organize things, price things, and handle all the bidding. There are also auction sites that will do the same online and I?m sure there?s a few in your area. The only draw back is that once you sell something, you?ll find a major need for it. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Offiler To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates You "forgot" a 48 x 120? ;-) I guess you must not be walking past it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however. CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand! Used machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and cutting you a check for the whole lot. SO On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the 24in > shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside that > was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates American > Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading. It was one the > Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships. I have another > 36in that I need to try to get working. I also have a 40 ton horn press. > in addition to the 40 ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, > and somewhere around here is an old screw machine. There is a couple of > multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines.... There are not > very many young folks that know how to operate these old machines. Just > not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either.. Both old guys that > were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about > to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole > thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder > sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of > our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last > possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part > being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. > Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the > end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a > new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue > automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that >> list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >> etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, >> it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that >> involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with >> a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> wrote: >> >>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >>> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >>> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >>> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >>> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >>> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >>> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >>> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >>> it was stored under. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>> > >>> > Mark J >>> > >>> > Columbia, MO >>> > >>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >> Hi John - >>> >> >>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >>> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >>> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >>> >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even think about >>> >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From dejoodster at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:44:34 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 15:44:34 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 3 15:21:07 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 18:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From jtchall at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 3 17:34:11 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:34:11 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43e63a2a-42a9-93be-cd43-1a541b7c1b12@nc.rr.com> We have been fortunate over the years to have a shop about an hour away that is nothing but screw machines. He will make 1 or 100,000. Only ones I have seen in operation were at a tool show. We try to specialize in low volume production work and manuals--we have a lot of manual equipment, but are down to only 3 guys that run it daily, all are over 55. The "great ones" are quickly becoming a thing of the past. We are bridging the gap with prototrak style machines. Those things can knock out some 1-2 pc orders quickly. Everything in the grind shop is all manual, and pretty new. John Hall On 4/3/2020 6:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Hi John - > > Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have 1 job that we > hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter.? Don't need all that > precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys setup sheets > with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > dead-on quite easily.? Keeps me from having to even think about > tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer. > > The job you mention is 6 diameters - that's a lot!? I hope at least > it's steel.? I only deal with this issue when making back cuts on the > sub.? We cut a lot of aluminum.? I have to keep it down to 3 > diameters, and I still have to deal with taper. > > We deal with a couple local general job-shops, and among the rows of > verticals and conventional lathes, they each have at least one Swiss > over in the corner.? As you know, there's always those special jobs a > Swiss machine can hit out of the park.? But they're kind of their own > special beast too, a little different mind-set.? And in our case, with > the older machines, there's no Mastercam or conversational programming > involved, just straight G-code not to mention wait-codes to coordinate > the sub.? Programming can get tricky; fortunately I enjoy it.? I make > a game out of avoiding crashes when developing a new job (and I'd > score myself around an A-minus) > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:13 PM John Hall > wrote: > > About .0002' is as close as I care to hold. We often make offsets > of .0002-3. Want some fun, try turning something 1/4" in dia > sticking about 1 1/2" out of the chuck---a 10" 3 jaw that is. Slow > on work so we pulled back in a job we had subbed to a screw > machine shop. Yeah, those Swiss machines will kick my butt all day > on the tiny stuff. > > John Hall > > > On 4/2/2020 6:03 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Our CNC lathes are all Swiss-type, Star and Tsugami, from the >> 1990's.? They all have magazine bar feeders (now they do; one >> machine used to have a single-stick tube that I retrofitted with >> an Ebay bar feeder) and we run them unattended after-hours,?aka >> "lights-out".? Despite having worked in unknown other shops and >> beat who-knows how hard, they all can still hold tenths, and the >> Tsugami has encoders that go out to .00001" - not that we could >> ever work to that level of precision; between thermal issues and >> the ability to make?measurements down there, that's way beyond >> what we need or could possibly do.? We're slowing down but we're >> still plodding forward, customers are still ordering, some.? >> We're keeping the people employed and building inventory where it >> makes sense. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Hall > > wrote: >> >> My boss has never bought hardly any used equipment in my 30 >> years--and it was all manual machines (2 horizontals, radial >> drill, long bed TOS, 3 grinders and some small stuff from an >> acquaintance that was retiring). All 3 of our CNC lathes are >> Mori's, great machines. We have never pushed them hard like a >> lot of shops, their accuracy is great. I do have one that >> couldn't repeat the last job we ran on it, so it will need >> some attention from the dealer. Of course as slow as things >> are now........ >> >> John Hall >> >> >> On 4/1/2020 7:56 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> Not surprised about the compression, Spencer.? ?Japanese >>> bikes are built more or less like Toyotas and Hondas (go >>> figure)... they just last and last.? I see you're tooling >>> up, and wanted to mention THE go-to source for >>> motorcycle-specific special service tools, Motion Pro: >>> https://www.motionpro.com >>> >>> So, speaking of Japanese.... at work, one of the many things >>> I do is manage and grow our CNC capabilities.? We are small, >>> funds are tight, and we aren't a job-shop so I can't just >>> finance?a sweet new piece of equipment and pay for it by >>> selling parts to others.? We build parts for our own >>> internal needs, so I pick and choose parts we currently >>> purchase from others, figure out what we can save doing it >>> inhouse, and use the projected savings to fund the >>> acquisition of used CNC equipment. Once I locate a suitable >>> machine and coordinate shipping and rigging, it lands on the >>> factory floor, I next get it all set up, leveled, aligned, >>> and powered, then on to figuring out what's wrong.? Bear in >>> mind we're talking say $15,000 for a machine that was $200K >>> new in 1997, so they have some miles on them.? I do all the >>> necessary refurbish, largely myself, but I also know a great >>> independent CNC repair tech for stuff that is beyond me.? >>> Then I do all the programming, tooling, debug, and finally >>> write detailed "cookbook" setup instructions so I can >>> hand-off to the shop floor guys for daily operation.? Sorry, >>> I'm rambling a bit... my main point was that these CNC >>> machines are Japanese, and ~25 years later, they will still >>> happily run 10,000rpm on the main spindle, and still hold >>> tolerances in the?+/-0.0001" range.? I like older Japanese >>> stuff.? Back to your Kawasaki, we've got two vintage bikes: >>> my wife has a '76 Honda CB-200 and I've got a '75 Yamaha DT-175. >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:53 PM Spencer Yost >>> > wrote: >>> >>> So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a >>> valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is >>> been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a >>> common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the >>> adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they >>> were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its >>> been happening.? So I started looking for other >>> explanations.? I seem to have spark and had the smell >>> the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel >>> or spark. I then did a compression test:? For a >>> 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. >>> 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that >>> it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get >>> the four or? five compression strokes you need to get a >>> max reading.? Hmmm.? ?That?s suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was >>> off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve >>> adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter >>> was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at >>> all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and >>> turn over once.? Clearly the starter clutch was >>> slipping.? ?This would explain why I had better luck >>> roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine >>> is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty >>> big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable >>> where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix >>> it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay >>> like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike >>> desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days.? >>> My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak >>> springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running >>> smooth? before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I >>> can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtchall at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 3 17:38:22 2020 From: jtchall at nc.rr.com (John Hall) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:38:22 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <91bb39f6-5a6d-bd25-e6b9-59a6252935a4@nc.rr.com> Believe it or not, there are some guys that like to collect older machine shop equipment. Shapers seem to gather a lot of attention on Facebook. Those and belt drive equipment were signs of a shop to run away from when I started this trade. Those big lathes are either a curse or a blessing. Our TOS will go around 30" with the gap out. There have been times we could have used bigger. Normally it collects dust, firing up 2-3 times a year. It pulled about a 3 week stint last summer. John Hall On 4/3/2020 12:01 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the > 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting > outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers.? I have a > 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while > loading.? It was one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking > for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to try to get working.?? I > also have a 40 ton horn press.? in addition to the 40 ton ironworker.? > and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, and somewhere around here is an > old screw machine.? There is a couple of multiple spindle drills and > all manner of old machines....? There are not very many young folks > that know how to operate these old machines.? Just not a lot of demand > for one-off repair work either..? Both old guys that were my teachers > in my machine work are now gone.. > > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of >> the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the >> bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part being made, which >> is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe.? Then I fire it >> up to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively >> consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard >> to see due to the coolant splash.? Then it does the bar change, >> consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's >> now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, >> engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue automatic >> operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler > > wrote: >> >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff >> on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making little >> tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one >> (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head >> Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw.? The magic >> is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck >> for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various >> precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, >> wheels, etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? >> Unfortunately, it's a pass.? Sorry.? We have this one job we're >> developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but >> we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite >> well.? We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited >> for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, >> here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making >> some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job >> was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a jig >> to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I >> had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld >> the rings >> to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it >> above the >> stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot >> welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a >> technical >> school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency >> drive to >> keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my >> talents on >> crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs >> offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a >> 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? 2ea >> Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model >> Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of >> knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with >> the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table.? >> Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then I >> was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank >> grinder set >> up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out >> the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. >> I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely >> fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job >> that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be >> more like >> >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and >> also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need >> all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the guys >> setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit >> the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 18:15:04 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <8668c0bf-40da-99c8-142f-52c509d1cdd8@copper.net> Well, I had to set it outside,? I know that sounds bad, but the old stuff can set outside if coated with used oil and then power wash it a little steel wool and it is in good condition.? Old machine tool stuff does not pit if ti is by itself.? I save used oil from the tractors & trucks and use it to oil machinery that has to sit out.? These old pieces are flat belt driven machines converted to individual electric drives.? I have converted some to VFD and made some really nice machines.? I need to get a 28 Plymouth sedan project in a container so I can move some machinery inside..? My 12 ton forklift needed an engine transplant and the help I had to do it went to the offshore oil patch and I ended up doing everything by myself..? My old forklift is a tricycle type Gerlinger that was used on an aircraft carrier.? It had a V-8 Mercury Industrial with a 4 spd trans and reverser.? It drove a truck axle that had a giant roller chain sprocket that drove a 30 in sprocket that was connected to the rear 20in truck duals.? the old Mercury was so low on compression it would not fire on ether, so I found a 6cyl ford and 2spd fwd & rev trans out of a pneumatic roller.? Removal of the Mercury involved 3 hours with a cutting torch.? Going back needs a crank pulley machined to attach a 4 groove A section belt pulley to drive the main hydraulic pump.? The cylinder is a 14in x 12ft long ram.?? It takes a lot of oil to move it.? One of these days I will get it running.? If the rainy season quits here I may get some things done..? This morning it was 30mph gusting to 40 with freezing drizzle..? Yesterday was shirtsleeve weather.... Cecil On 4/3/2020 11:43 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > You "forgot" a 48 x 120?? ;-)? ? I guess you must not be walking past > it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there > Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about > the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however.? > CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on > machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand!? Used > machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and > cutting you a check for the whole lot. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, > the 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one > sitting outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers.? > I have a 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator > dropped while loading. It was one the Navy owned during WWII that > sawed the decking for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to > try to get working.?? I also have a 40 ton horn press.? in > addition to the 40 ton ironworker.? and a Warner swasey #2 turret > lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine.? There > is a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old > machines....? There are not very many young folks that know how to > operate these old machines. Just not a lot of demand for one-off > repair work either.. Both old guys that were my teachers in my > machine work are now gone.. > > On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's >> was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a >> video of the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the >> CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part >> being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist >> scribe.? Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before >> the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, >> although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash.? >> Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the >> "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make >> another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and >> feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler >> > wrote: >> >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list!? Some big heavy >> stuff on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making >> little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has >> just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, >> a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll >> bandsaw.? The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets >> for the mill, the various precision vises and other >> workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole >> compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? >> Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry.? We have this one job >> we're developing now that involves making rather precise >> cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's >> working quite well.? We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? >> However, here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were >> making some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest >> job was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a >> jig to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. >> Then I had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot >> weld the rings >> to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it >> above the >> stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot >> welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor >> from a technical >> school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable >> frequency drive to >> keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about >> 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my >> talents on >> crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send >> jobs offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, >> a 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? >> 2ea Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model >> Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple >> of knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job >> with the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding >> table.? Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.? Then >> I was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, >> head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the >> crank grinder set >> up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took >> out the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from >> me. I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining >> absolutely fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.? We have >> 1 job that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it >> would be more like >> >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff >> and also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't >> need all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have:? I can give the >> guys setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can >> hit the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 3 18:26:05 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 20:26:05 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <91bb39f6-5a6d-bd25-e6b9-59a6252935a4@nc.rr.com> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <91bb39f6-5a6d-bd25-e6b9-59a6252935a4@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3fa1c618-7dfe-2f12-4829-db8f5d8dcecd@copper.net> The last time that big lathe was used was to bore some big oilfield engines.? They centered the block on the 4 jaw chuck and bored it!!?? It came from an old oilfield machine shop in OKC. The Berco crank grinder also came from the oil patch.? It will grind? about an 8ft long crank..? Right now, I need to shove a lot of junk out of the buildings and get something working.. ? I have so many projects that got stopped either due to lack of parts, money, or time. On 4/3/2020 7:38 PM, John Hall wrote: > Believe it or not, there are some guys that like to collect older > machine shop equipment. Shapers seem to gather a lot of attention on > Facebook. Those and belt drive equipment were signs of a shop to run > away from when I started this trade. > > Those big lathes are either a curse or a blessing. Our TOS will go > around 30" with the gap out. There have been times we could have used > bigger. Normally it collects dust, firing up 2-3 times a year. It > pulled about a 3 week stint last summer. > > John Hall > > On 4/3/2020 12:01 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >> After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the >> 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting >> outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers.? I have a >> 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while >> loading.? It was one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the >> decking for ships.? I have another 36in that I need to try to get >> working.?? I also have a 40 ton horn press.? in addition to the 40 >> ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 turret lathe, and somewhere >> around here is an old screw machine.? There is a couple of multiple >> spindle drills and all manner of old machines....? There are not very >> many young folks that know how to operate these old machines.? Just >> not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either..? Both old guys >> that were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. >> >> On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >>> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of >>> the whole thing.? It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the >>> bar feeder sitting at idle.? Then it shows the part being made, >>> which is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe.? Then I >>> fire it up to make the last possible part before the bar is >>> effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is >>> kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash.? Then it does the bar >>> change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar >>> that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' >>> bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue >>> automatic operation. >>> >>> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >>> >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler >> > wrote: >>> >>> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list!? Some big heavy >>> stuff on that list!? The only manual machining I do is making >>> little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has >>> just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a >>> 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw. >>> The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the >>> 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the >>> various precision vises and other workholding for mill & >>> grinder, indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, >>> drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. >>> >>> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter.? >>> Unfortunately, it's a pass.? Sorry.? We have this one job we're >>> developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but >>> we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working >>> quite well.? We just do basically zero with sheet material most >>> suited for plasma. >>> >>> SO >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired..? However, >>> here in OK >>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making >>> some >>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors.? The biggest job >>> was wire >>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.? I had to build a >>> jig to bend >>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I >>> had to roll >>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot >>> weld the rings >>> to the handles? The handles were also the feet to hold it >>> above the >>> stove burner.? I lost the pics of it.? I had a 20KW spot >>> welder and had >>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a >>> technical >>> school.? I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency >>> drive to >>> keep from burning the wires up.? The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my >>> talents on >>> crap...? Machine shops were? closing down here to send jobs >>> offshore. >>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a >>> 9x40 lathe, >>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head,? >>> 2ea Kearney >>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model >>> Cincinnati >>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of >>> knee mills >>> one Japanese, the other old old US made.? I did one job with >>> the newer >>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table.? >>> Now they just >>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I >>> was going to >>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>> equipment and a big big crank grinder.? Never got the crank >>> grinder set >>> up.? It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out >>> the building >>> it was stored under. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. >>> I've been a >>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely >>> fascinating - >>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>> > >>> > Mark J >>> > >>> > Columbia, MO >>> > >>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >> Hi John - >>> >> >>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 >>> job that we >>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would >>> be more like >>> >> .0005" or more.? Swiss excels in small precise stuff and >>> also long >>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need >>> all that >>> >> precision, but it's handy to have:? 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URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 19:11:44 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 21:11:44 -0500 Subject: [AT] Cub Part Identification Question In-Reply-To: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <6DC89CF77AEB48E3A1BE1F1838A20F51@JimDesktop> What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 2:44 PM To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hope this one works. Carl ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Group Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Pictures -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: batteryBox.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 492317 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 20:15:51 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 22:15:51 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Apr 3 22:08:20 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 01:08:20 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> Stephen Offiler wrote: > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was > about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the > whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar > feeder sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the > handle of our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make > the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we > see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the > coolant splash. Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back > the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make another > part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the > machine to continue automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO So you made my scribes... I was touching up the tip of one the other day, and sneezed. If you ever wondered just how far a sharp scribe will penetrate a bare hand, I have first hand knowledge.... -- Steve W. From soffiler at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:13:45 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 07:13:45 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <8668c0bf-40da-99c8-142f-52c509d1cdd8@copper.net> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <8668c0bf-40da-99c8-142f-52c509d1cdd8@copper.net> Message-ID: Well, Cecil, that answered a question I was about to pose. I was going to comment that you've got a LOT of heavy iron in those machine tools, so how do you move them around? Answer, Gerlinger 12-ton. And John Hall mentioned there are guys who collect old machine tools, which made me think... modern farmers probably say the same thing: "Imagine, there are guys around that collect those old farm tractors!" There's a channel I follow on YouTube called "abom79". He's one of those shaper guys: https://youtu.be/Yc3n6DTeMNQ SO On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 6:44 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > Well, I had to set it outside, I know that sounds bad, but the old stuff > can set outside if coated with used oil and then power wash it a little > steel wool and it is in good condition. Old machine tool stuff does not > pit if ti is by itself. I save used oil from the tractors & trucks and use > it to oil machinery that has to sit out. These old pieces are flat belt > driven machines converted to individual electric drives. I have converted > some to VFD and made some really nice machines. I need to get a 28 > Plymouth sedan project in a container so I can move some machinery > inside.. My 12 ton forklift needed an engine transplant and the help I had > to do it went to the offshore oil patch and I ended up doing everything by > myself.. My old forklift is a tricycle type Gerlinger that was used on an > aircraft carrier. It had a V-8 Mercury Industrial with a 4 spd trans and > reverser. It drove a truck axle that had a giant roller chain sprocket > that drove a 30 in sprocket that was connected to the rear 20in truck > duals. the old Mercury was so low on compression it would not fire on > ether, so I found a 6cyl ford and 2spd fwd & rev trans out of a pneumatic > roller. Removal of the Mercury involved 3 hours with a cutting torch. > Going back needs a crank pulley machined to attach a 4 groove A section > belt pulley to drive the main hydraulic pump. The cylinder is a 14in x > 12ft long ram. It takes a lot of oil to move it. One of these days I > will get it running. If the rainy season quits here I may get some things > done.. This morning it was 30mph gusting to 40 with freezing drizzle.. > Yesterday was shirtsleeve weather.... > Cecil > On 4/3/2020 11:43 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > You "forgot" a 48 x 120? ;-) I guess you must not be walking past it > very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there Cecil and > you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about the big, old, > manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however. CNC is great when > you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on machinery that large will > not be in high-volume demand! Used machinery dealers would probably enjoy > taking a tour of your place and cutting you a check for the whole lot. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > >> After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe, the >> 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one sitting outside >> that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. I have a 36in Yates >> American Bandsaw that a forklift operator dropped while loading. It was >> one the Navy owned during WWII that sawed the decking for ships. I have >> another 36in that I need to try to get working. I also have a 40 ton horn >> press. in addition to the 40 ton ironworker. and a Warner swasey #2 >> turret lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine. There is >> a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old machines.... >> There are not very many young folks that know how to operate these old >> machines. Just not a lot of demand for one-off repair work either.. Both >> old guys that were my teachers in my machine work are now gone.. >> On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the >> whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder >> sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of >> our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last >> possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part >> being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. >> Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the >> end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a >> new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue >> automatic operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on >>> that list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >>> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >>> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >>> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >>> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >>> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >>> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >>> etc etc. >>> >>> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. >>> Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing >>> now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that >>> road with a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero >>> with sheet material most suited for plasma. >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >>>> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >>>> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >>>> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >>>> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to >>>> roll >>>> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >>>> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >>>> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >>>> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >>>> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >>>> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >>>> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >>>> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >>>> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >>>> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >>>> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >>>> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >>>> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >>>> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they >>>> just >>>> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >>>> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >>>> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >>>> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >>>> it was stored under. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >>>> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >>>> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating >>>> - >>>> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >>>> > >>>> > Mark J >>>> > >>>> > Columbia, MO >>>> > >>>> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> >> Hi John - >>>> >> >>>> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >>>> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >>>> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >>>> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >>>> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >>>> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >>>> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:23:03 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 07:23:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> Message-ID: Steve: Scribes - yes, quite possible we made yours. We do about 100,000 a year. Makes me wonder sometimes where they all go! The majority go out as either Blue-Point (black anodized, laser mark logo) or Moody (blue ano, no mark) and some go out bare aluminum under different brands like King or Nasco. The majority have pressed-in picks; whereas, the one I showed in the video has threaded, replaceable picks. If anybody cared to watch the video you might have noticed the drilling and tapping on both ends. It roughly doubles the cycle time vs the pressed-in design. The almost-finished part sits and waits and waits for the back-drill and back-tap. BTW the pressed design gets a little green Loctite as insurance policy. Watch those puncture wounds; they infect easily. Now is not a good time for a visit to the ER! SO On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:08 AM Steve W. wrote: So you made my scribes... I was touching up the tip of one the other > day, and sneezed. If you ever wondered just how far a sharp scribe will > penetrate a bare hand, I have first hand knowledge.... > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 05:25:46 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 08:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> Message-ID: <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Steve, Great video! Do you have any mist collection or is it not enough to warrant a system? In 2008 I worked in a large Swiss Screw house. There was a oil haze everyday about 6 ' above the ground in the winter months. I would come home smelling like cutting oil. Those were the days. Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com mailto:soffiler at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc. > > > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet material most suited for plasma. > > > > SO > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK > > > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > > > decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire > > > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend > > > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll > > > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings > > > to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the > > > stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had > > > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical > > > school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to > > > keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. > > > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on > > > crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. > > > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, > > > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney > > > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati > > > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills > > > one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer > > > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just > > > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to > > > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > > > equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set > > > up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building > > > it was stored under. > > > Cecil > > > > > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > > > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > > > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > > > > > Mark J > > > > > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > > >> Hi John - > > > >> > > > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > > > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > > > >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > > > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > > > >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > > > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > > > >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 06:41:25 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 07:33:16 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:33:16 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 10:18:38 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> References: <1264776431.20691110.1585856331942.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From ken.knierim at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 10:29:41 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 10:29:41 -0700 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Steve: thanks for all the video and manufacturing information. I'd seen shapers sitting around and knew generally how they worked (from a retired machinist/engineer/shop wizard neighbor) but this is the first time I've seen one in action. My son and I watched the machine work The new neighbor has 4 Haas and a Brother for CNC equipment now; any of them are impressive to watch but the Brother is a step up (to me anyway). Fast and efficient. Of course, the neighbor is pretty fastidious and cares for his equipment well too. Jim: the neighbor fought with the coolant mist in his shop; it was wrecking the AC filters and getting into everything until he got a HEPA filtered system for abating the mess. Didn't take long before he had them on all the machines. Afterward the filters in the AC system would actually last a decent amount of time (rather than daily replacements). It might not apply to what you were doing (since the CNC's are fairly well enclosed) but I know it bothered him until he found and installed the filtration systems. very informative. Thanks! Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > Steve, > > Great video! Do you have any mist collection or is it not enough to > warrant a system? In 2008 I worked in a large Swiss Screw house. There was > a oil haze everyday about 6 ' above the ground in the winter months. I > would come home smelling like cutting oil. Those were the days. > > Jim Thomson > Rehoboth, MA > > On April 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was about > to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the whole > thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder > sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of > our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last > possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part > being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. > Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the > end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a > new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue > automatic operation. > > https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg > > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that > list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & > fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge > HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, > and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C > collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, > the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, > indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, > etc etc. > > Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, > it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that > involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with > a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet > material most suited for plasma. > > SO > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net> > wrote: > > I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK > there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some > decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire > forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend > the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll > a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings > to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the > stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had > traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical > school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to > keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. > It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on > crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. > So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, > a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney > Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati > overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills > one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer > Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just > sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to > build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work > equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set > up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building > it was stored under. > Cecil > > On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a > > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - > > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... > > > > Mark J > > > > Columbia, MO > > > > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> Hi John - > >> > >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we > >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like > >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long > >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that > >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets > >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers > >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 10:48:22 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> I have to make a correction to the previous post, I misread not only my notes that I jotted done from the on line parts list, but I read the parts list wrong to boot. The earlier version of the battery box should have been 538609R2, and the later version should have been 538609RGV. The 538609R2 is not available any more, the 538609RGV is available. Sorry for any confusion. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 12:10:26 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:10:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise Message-ID: Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. Does anyone know of any Reputable dealers for used engines? I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA Thanks guys, Dave Maynard The Maple Hill Farm Marion, NY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:36:13 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:36:13 -0500 Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <311065962.20694723.1585856653228.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <5C5A5B424D1E42FEAA91B377CFD4489D@JimDesktop> I don't think the box ever changed from 1947 thrugh 1979. "GV" tacked on the end of a CaseIH part number indicates it is part of the "Gold Value" line. It may be an alternative to a more expensive original part or may be all that is available. That line is "Case IH's competitive answer to repairing your heritage tractor." Which I think may translate to something like -- We saw how much was being sold by Valu-Bilt for these old tractors and decided to get into that business. Part 351336R12 is one of the box lids, which is not relevant to the current discussion. The last hard copy parts catalog was issued 8/79. It was scanned for the on-line catalog. The on-line catalog has some part list updates. I also have access to catalogs from 1970 and 1975. 351330R11 was the original box, a number not listed in the online. It is the only number listed through the 1970 catalog but is not in the 1975 catalog. So any Cub from 1947 through at least 1970 used that box. 538609R1 is the only version listed in the 1975 catalog. So that change was between '70 and '75. There is no obvious difference between this and 351330R11. The catalog says "Box w/product graphic" whereas the old one said "Box". The new part number may have only indicated that the part came with a warning sticker. There were some electrical changes made in 1972, adding a key start and a clutch interlock. But this didn't require changes to the box. 538609R2 is listed in the 1979 catalog. The incremented revision number indicates some (probably minor) change from 1975. I suspect a change to the safety sicker. 538609R2GV is listed on-line. It is a Gold Value substitute part and the only thing currently available from CaseIH. If you want to see some good pictures of a battery box, look here: http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gel/battbox_001.htm Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:48 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I have to make a correction to the previous post, I misread not only my notes that I jotted done from the on line parts list, but I read the parts list wrong to boot. The earlier version of the battery box should have been 538609R2, and the later version should have been 538609RGV. The 538609R2 is not available any more, the 538609RGV is available. Sorry for any confusion. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 4 12:52:18 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:52:18 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803e4f8e-e9ac-ec2e-d1c4-dc112e105346@gmx.com> Do you have a stethoscope you can you use to pinpoint the noise? Mike M On 4/4/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. > Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it > makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter > adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart > several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no > broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this > engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the > injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but > to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder > which seems to be not as common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any > and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > Thanks guys, > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tubetester at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 12:52:51 2020 From: tubetester at gmail.com (Moe Fretz) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:52:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: typical noisy Kubota diesel. Possibly injection pump timing. $-------& Moe Fretz L'Orignal Ontario, Canada On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 > horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise > that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns > out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find > anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, > pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by > running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups > with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is > still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as > common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and > all suggestions and comments welcome. > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > Thanks guys, > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 13:43:10 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:43:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. Still stumped. Dave Maynard On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >> pistons all good. >> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >> still there. 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It is too rounded off for the right sized 8-pt socket. -Coolant in the system. Capacity is 8 1/2 gals.; it took only 5, so there must have been some in the system already. couldn't see any up top, but it wouldn't take any more. -Repro Battery ground cable purchased and bolted in. -Drawbar moved out to the position I am used to. LACK or progress: -Dean will say "I told ya so," but I had some time and had to try something. Brake adjuster still stuck solid. Spent 30 mins hitting is with heat but only MAPP and Propane--my acetylene bottle is apparently empty. Need to find a place to fill it. Used penetrant and candle wax and hammer and impact. No movement yet. I need to get a plastic tub big enough for the electrolysis and/or vinegar. So the right brake assembly is still stuck. I have saved all the suggested methods for unstucking it and am working through them are opportunity permits. I am just about ready to try to fire the old boy. I need to get some gas. If the battery doesn't crank it, I'll pull the one out of my pickup (and replace it). I can run jumper cables to try it. Too wretched cold and wet to do any more today. My left shoulder is killing me, and I am cold all over, so we gave up for today. I remain confident in getting the tractor running--the carb is the big question mark (plugs looked real sooty, but that at least indicates running). The right brake shaft is holding me back--pun intended. The MO Gov issued a stay-at-home order yesterday to go into effect Monday. I hope somebody is still filling acetylene somewhere. I still have to work--both in the office and at home. The "original" Steve Allen From dejoodster at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:53:12 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 16:53:12 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump shop check it. Jason On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of > the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long > socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good > with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it > change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no > wear and looked good. > > Still stumped. > Dave Maynard > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: > >> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >> Possibly injection pump timing. >> >> >> $-------& >> Moe Fretz >> >> L'Orignal >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >>> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >>> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >>> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >>> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >>> pistons all good. >>> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >>> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >>> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >>> still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as >>> common as most. >>> Does anyone know of any >>> Reputable dealers for used engines? >>> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any >>> and all suggestions and comments welcome. >>> >>> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >>> >>> Thanks guys, >>> Dave Maynard >>> The Maple Hill Farm >>> Marion, NY >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.knierim at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 15:24:48 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 15:24:48 -0700 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason wrote: > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump > shop check it. > > Jason > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of >> the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long >> socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. >> The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good >> with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it >> change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no >> wear and looked good. >> >> Still stumped. >> Dave Maynard >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: >> >>> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >>> Possibly injection pump timing. >>> >>> >>> $-------& >>> Moe Fretz >>> >>> L'Orignal >>> Ontario, Canada >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >>>> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >>>> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >>>> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >>>> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >>>> pistons all good. >>>> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >>>> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >>>> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >>>> still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as >>>> common as most. >>>> Does anyone know of any >>>> Reputable dealers for used engines? >>>> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any >>>> and all suggestions and comments welcome. >>>> >>>> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, >>>> Dave Maynard >>>> The Maple Hill Farm >>>> Marion, NY >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sat Apr 4 16:19:55 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:19:55 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> How many hours?? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded very similar and they ran forever... Cecil On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or > crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow > it down, like pulling a plug wire? > > Ken in AZ > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason > wrote: > > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have > the pump shop check it. > > Jason > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > ? ? ?I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like > the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer > neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks > it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > ? ? ?The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say > all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or > what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? > All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. > > Still stumped. > Dave Maynard > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz > wrote: > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor > this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall > and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller > said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but > it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart > several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings > are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, > pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to > destroy this engine by running it too much. Just > yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with > new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no > avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 > cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > Does anyone know of any > Reputable dealers for used engines? > ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you can > hear the noise. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 4 16:35:03 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures In-Reply-To: <5C5A5B424D1E42FEAA91B377CFD4489D@JimDesktop> References: <1714324168.21806025.1585952467451.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <728223644.22273075.1586007685123.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <93DD695081A34DAFA8FCE0A84FF4D9B6@JimDesktop> <446359537.22414788.1586020718026.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <1196388982.22431104.1586022502432.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <5C5A5B424D1E42FEAA91B377CFD4489D@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <428113440.22719651.1586043303627.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Jim, I will agree that 538609R2 is the correct part number for the box. I went the the Case dealer?s web site and figured out that when they said it was no longer available, they meant they didn?t have any original 538609R2 boxes in stock. When they said that the 538609RGV was available, they meant that that?s the one they sell. As I indicated before, I misread my scribbled notes and typed in the 351336R12 part number for the battery cover in error. I went to eBay and looked for 538609R2 battery boxes and found plenty of them available. So it got me to thinking about what I have and why it mounts differently. When I purchased the Cub, the PO?s brother told me that the PO worked for Westinghouse as a welder for all most all his life, and was one of their top welders. So I started to think that maybe he went to replace the battery box due it being rusted out, and couldn?t get the old bolts out. So maybe he took a new replacement box and modified it to mount in a different manner (three studs through the floor pan). I haven?t put the battery in yet, so I went and took a look at the bottom of the box, expecting to see the four bolt holes in the bottom of the box. No such thing. So I don't have a modified 538609R2 box. I thought that maybe being a welder he just welded a box of his own, but that also doesn?t look like the case. There are definite bends made by machine and not by hand. The bottom of the box is most definitely machine formed, so this is not a case of somebody welding up some flat plates to make a box. Now I?m guessing that this is an aftermarket box built to be a non-direct replacement for the 538609R2 box, maybe because of the difficulty of removing the original four mounting bolts once the original box rusts away (???). There are three studs on the bottom of the box, each stud has a welded on spacer to allow for the box to clear the remnants of the old four mounting bolts. I looked at pictures of other floor pans and haven?t seen any that had the three required holes in them. So the floor pan had to be drilled to accommodate the three studs. Whatever the case may be, I?m leaving the box as is because that?s how I got it, and the fact that I?ve already got it painted and installed. It?s also mounted in the exact same location as a 538609R2 box would be. If the correct police want to check on how it?s mounted, they?ll have to crawl underneath the tractor to see. Thanks again to everybody who looked into this and tried to help. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I don't think the box ever changed from 1947 thrugh 1979. "GV" tacked on the end of a CaseIH part number indicates it is part of the "Gold Value" line. It may be an alternative to a more expensive original part or may be all that is available. That line is "Case IH's competitive answer to repairing your heritage tractor." Which I think may translate to something like -- We saw how much was being sold by Valu-Bilt for these old tractors and decided to get into that business. Part 351336R12 is one of the box lids, which is not relevant to the current discussion. The last hard copy parts catalog was issued 8/79. It was scanned for the on-line catalog. The on-line catalog has some part list updates. I also have access to catalogs from 1970 and 1975. 351330R11 was the original box, a number not listed in the online. It is the only number listed through the 1970 catalog but is not in the 1975 catalog. So any Cub from 1947 through at least 1970 used that box. 538609R1 is the only version listed in the 1975 catalog. So that change was between '70 and '75. There is no obvious difference between this and 351330R11. The catalog says "Box w/product graphic" whereas the old one said "Box". The new part number may have only indicated that the part came with a warning sticker. There were some electrical changes made in 1972, adding a key start and a clutch interlock. But this didn't require changes to the box. 538609R2 is listed in the 1979 catalog. The incremented revision number indicates some (probably minor) change from 1975. I suspect a change to the safety sicker. 538609R2GV is listed on-line. It is a Gold Value substitute part and the only thing currently available from CaseIH. If you want to see some good pictures of a battery box, look here: http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gel/battbox_001.htm Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:48 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I have to make a correction to the previous post, I misread not only my notes that I jotted done from the on line parts list, but I read the parts list wrong to boot. The earlier version of the battery box should have been 538609R2, and the later version should have been 538609RGV. The 538609R2 is not available any more, the 538609RGV is available. Sorry for any confusion. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I took a look at an online parts list that a local Case dealer has on line for the Cub, it?s an electronic version of the original parts manual that they scanned and added a parts look up table to. They reference two battery box part numbers: 538609R2 - Terminal Box W/Production Graphic 351336R12 - Value, Terminal Box >From the scanned manual sheets the one I have looks like the 538609R2. They didn?t have an actual picture of the 538609R2 box, but had a picture of the 351336R12 box that appears to show the bottom ribs that you referenced. They also reference tractor serial numbers, but I don?t have a serial tag on the Cub, so I can?t tell which the ?as supplied? box should be. Since the box I have was bolted over the apparent original box, I?m guessing that the 351336R12 box was the original, and the 538609R2 was a later version. The part numbers would also tend to support that the box I have is a later version. Either way, the mystery has been apparently solved and I appreciate everybody?s efforts in answering the question. By the way, since you came up with the apparent correct answer, you win the prize. Just send me your address and I?ll send you the two pieces of the original battery box.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I'm not aware of any noteworthy changes to the battery box. The 12-volt tractors used a different lid. But even then the box remained the same. Maybe there is just so little remaining of your original and the one I photographed that it looks different. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:41 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures That would make sense since the two pieces used the four bolts shown in your picture. It would also explain why the heads of the bolts were so far gone (battery acid eating them away). There wouldn?t be any other reason for the four bolts, and the thinness of the two pieces wouldn?t provide any real strength for any other use. All the manuals I have show the existing style of battery box that I currently have. So this must have been a very early version of a battery box. Thanks for the response, I figured somebody would come up with an answer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures I sent a reply to the list with an attached image. Hopefully it will get through after a while. In the meanwhile, here is what the reply said without the image: What you have there is the remaining piece of a battery box. There certainly isn't much left of it. Here (if it goes through) is picture of the bottom of another one that isn't quite as far gone. Note that in this one about 2/3 of the bottom is still there. All that remains in your picture is the lower portion of one bottom rib of the box. The bolt size and spacing in my picture agrees with your picture. Your piece seems to somewhat curve up on an edge that matches the rib in mine. I think that whatever you currently have for a battery box was installed over the top of the original. Follow the link Dean posted to see what the original looked like. http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=82882 Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:21 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures Hard to do at the moment since they were attached to the four bolts under the battery box, and I?ve already reinstalled the battery box. I?ll take a look tomorrow and see if I can maybe get a shot from behind the Cub. Maybe I can get a picture from a maintenance manual and just indicate were they were. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Fwd: Pictures A photo of where it goes on the tractor would help greatly Jason On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 12:09 PM wrote: > Hope this one works. > > Carl > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: szabelski at wildblue.net > To: Antique Group > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:38:52 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Fwd: Pictures > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Susan Szabelski > To: Szabelski at wildblue.net > Sent: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Pictures > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 17:22:41 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 20:22:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. Dave M. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden wrote: > How many hours? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded > very similar and they ran forever... > Cecil > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack > the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, > like pulling a plug wire? > > Ken in AZ > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason wrote: > >> I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump >> shop check it. >> >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of >>> the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long >>> socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. >>> The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is >>> good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it >>> change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no >>> wear and looked good. >>> >>> Still stumped. >>> Dave Maynard >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz wrote: >>> >>>> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >>>> Possibly injection pump timing. >>>> >>>> >>>> $-------& >>>> Moe Fretz >>>> >>>> L'Orignal >>>> Ontario, Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. >>>>> Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes >>>>> a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it >>>>> turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >>>>> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >>>>> pistons all good. >>>>> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this >>>>> engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors >>>>> and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, >>>>> noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be >>>>> not as common as most. >>>>> Does anyone know of any >>>>> Reputable dealers for used engines? >>>>> I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any >>>>> and all suggestions and comments welcome. >>>>> >>>>> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >>>>> >>>>> Thanks guys, >>>>> Dave Maynard >>>>> The Maple Hill Farm >>>>> Marion, NY >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sat Apr 4 18:11:14 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 20:11:14 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: <07e2e477-8efc-3c1d-d03b-c2d3897cb104@copper.net> How many engine hours is showing?? Cecil On 4/4/2020 7:22 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced > all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as > well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along > with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it > was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > Dave M. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > How many hours?? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that > sounded very similar and they ran forever... > Cecil > > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: >> Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? >> Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you >> can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? >> >> Ken in AZ >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason > > wrote: >> >> I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and >> have the pump shop check it. >> >> Jason >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> ? ? ?I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds >> like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My >> farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and >> he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. >> ? ? ?The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they >> say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump >> timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only >> one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and >> looked good. >> >> Still stumped. >> Dave Maynard >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz >> > wrote: >> >> typical noisy Kubota diesel. >> Possibly injection pump timing. >> >> >> $-------& >> Moe Fretz >> >> L'Orignal >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red >> tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice >> shape overall and a good price. However it makes >> a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a >> lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We >> have had this engine apart several times and cant >> find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no >> broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. >> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want >> to destroy this engine by running it too much. >> Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and >> cups with new as the sound is like a bad >> injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. >> The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to >> be not as common as most. >> Does anyone know of any >> Reputable dealers for used engines? >> ? ? ?I have attached a link to video where you >> can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and >> comments welcome. >> >> https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA >> >> >> Thanks guys, >> Dave Maynard >> The Maple Hill Farm >> Marion, NY >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 4 20:26:08 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 23:26:08 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: Now just showing 2003 hours. Dave M. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 9:21 PM Roger Moffat wrote: > > > On Apr 4, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all > the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. > Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the > filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and > have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > > Does cracking open the injector pipes one at a time when it?s running make > any difference to the noise - its frequency, location or anything else? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 03:26:02 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 06:26:02 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Glad you liked it, Ken! SO On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:30 PM Ken Knierim wrote: > Steve: thanks for all the video and manufacturing information. I'd seen > shapers sitting around and knew generally how they worked (from a retired > machinist/engineer/shop wizard neighbor) but this is the first time I've > seen one in action. My son and I watched the machine work > > The new neighbor has 4 Haas and a Brother for CNC equipment now; any of > them are impressive to watch but the Brother is a step up (to me anyway). > Fast and efficient. Of course, the neighbor is pretty fastidious and cares > for his equipment well too. > > Jim: the neighbor fought with the coolant mist in his shop; it was > wrecking the AC filters and getting into everything until he got a HEPA > filtered system for abating the mess. Didn't take long before he had them > on all the machines. Afterward the filters in the AC system would actually > last a decent amount of time (rather than daily replacements). It might not > apply to what you were doing (since the CNC's are fairly well enclosed) but > I know it bothered him until he found and installed the filtration systems. > > very informative. Thanks! > > Ken in AZ > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Great video! Do you have any mist collection or is it not enough to >> warrant a system? In 2008 I worked in a large Swiss Screw house. There was >> a oil haze everyday about 6 ' above the ground in the winter months. I >> would come home smelling like cutting oil. Those were the days. >> >> Jim Thomson >> Rehoboth, MA >> >> On April 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's was >> about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a video of the >> whole thing. It starts with a quick overview of the CNC and the bar feeder >> sitting at idle. Then it shows the part being made, which is the handle of >> our double-ended machinist scribe. Then I fire it up to make the last >> possible part before the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part >> being made, although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. >> Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the "remnant" (the >> end of the bar that's now too short to make another part) while dropping a >> new 12' bar, engaging it, and feeding it into the machine to continue >> automatic operation. >> >> https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg >> >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list! Some big heavy stuff on that >> list! The only manual machining I do is making little tools, jigs & >> fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has just one (very nice) Hardinge >> HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe, a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, >> and a DoAll bandsaw. The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C >> collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets for the mill, >> the various precision vises and other workholding for mill & grinder, >> indexing heads, and a whole compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, >> etc etc. >> >> Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. Unfortunately, >> it's a pass. Sorry. We have this one job we're developing now that >> involves making rather precise cuts, but we're already down that road with >> a chop-saw that's working quite well. We just do basically zero with sheet >> material most suited for plasma. >> >> SO >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net> >> wrote: >> >> I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. However, here in OK >> there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were making some >> decorating crap for some traveling vendors. The biggest job was wire >> forming for some Potpourri Pie holders. I had to build a jig to bend >> the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion. Then I had to roll >> a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot weld the rings >> to the handles The handles were also the feet to hold it above the >> stove burner. I lost the pics of it. I had a 20KW spot welder and had >> traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor from a technical >> school. I dropped the amperage with the variable frequency drive to >> keep from burning the wires up. The wires were about 3/16 dia. >> It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my talents on >> crap... Machine shops were closing down here to send jobs offshore. >> So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe, a 9x40 lathe, >> a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 2ea Kearney >> Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model Cincinnati >> overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple of knee mills >> one Japanese, the other old old US made. I did one job with the newer >> Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding table. Now they just >> sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk. Then I was going to >> build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars, head work >> equipment and a big big crank grinder. Never got the crank grinder set >> up. It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took out the building >> it was stored under. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: >> > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from me. I've been a >> > software guy all my life but I find machining absolutely fascinating - >> > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now... >> > >> > Mark J >> > >> > Columbia, MO >> > >> > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi John - >> >> >> >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter. We have 1 job that we >> >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it would be more like >> >> .0005" or more. Swiss excels in small precise stuff and also long >> >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't need all that >> >> precision, but it's handy to have: I can give the guys setup sheets >> >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can hit the numbers >> >> dead-on quite easily. 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URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 04:46:40 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 07:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> Message-ID: <484546730.141989.1586087201125@connect.xfinity.com> Dave, This may be a long shot but have you checked the exhaust manifold for leaks or cracks? I went through this with my old truck last summer. I adjusted all the valves and replaced a couple rocker arms but still had the same type of tick. A friend told me to check for exhaust leaks. I pressurized the system from the tail pipe and found plenty of leaks but the most critical were at the exhaust manifold(inline 6 cylinder). I thought it was a bad gasket but the manifold bolts were loose. 95% of my tick went away. I still have one valve to adjust as I too went around with the stethoscope and isolated the tick to one of 2 rocker that need to be adjusted. I would have never looked at this so it is worth a try. Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 4, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > Dave M. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > How many hours? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded very similar and they ran forever... > > Cecil > > > > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > > > > > > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? > > > > > > Ken in AZ > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason < dejoodster at gmail.com mailto:dejoodster at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump shop check it. > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > > > > > The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. > > > > > > > > > > Still stumped. > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz < tubetester at gmail.com mailto:tubetester at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > > > > > > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $-------& > > > > > > Moe Fretz > > > > > > > > > > > > L'Orignal > > > > > > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > > > > > > > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any > > > > > > > Reputable dealers for used engines? > > > > > > > I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > The Maple Hill Farm > > > > > > > Marion, NY > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 05:08:12 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 08:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <484546730.141989.1586087201125@connect.xfinity.com> References: <76007aea-37c3-555e-d296-5d4033d2d9c1@copper.net> <484546730.141989.1586087201125@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <350694573.142204.1586088492829@connect.xfinity.com> Dave, Here a video of the tick before I started correcting the problem. https://youtu.be/0P-USZfsbzs Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 5, 2020 at 7:46 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > > Dave, > > This may be a long shot but have you checked the exhaust manifold for leaks or cracks? I went through this with my old truck last summer. I adjusted all the valves and replaced a couple rocker arms but still had the same type of tick. A friend told me to check for exhaust leaks. I pressurized the system from the tail pipe and found plenty of leaks but the most critical were at the exhaust manifold(inline 6 cylinder). I thought it was a bad gasket but the manifold bolts were loose. 95% of my tick went away. I still have one valve to adjust as I too went around with the stethoscope and isolated the tick to one of 2 rocker that need to be adjusted. I would have never looked at this so it is worth a try. > > Jim Thomson > Rehoboth, MA > > > > On April 4, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > Have already switched injectors, replaced one, no change. Now replaced all the injectors yesterday with new and new cups on the bottom as well. Running a 20-50W synthetic and oil has been changed twice along with the filter. Same oil I've always run in my Chevy Duromax since it was new and have 300,000 miles on it and never done anything to it. > > > > Dave M. > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 7:19 PM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How many hours? What oil are you running? I have had Perkins that sounded very similar and they ran forever... > > > Cecil > > > > > > On 4/4/2020 5:24 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can you swap injectors and see if the noise follows the injector? Or crack the injector fitting while its running and see if you can narrow it down, like pulling a plug wire? > > > > > > > > Ken in AZ > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:53 PM Jason < dejoodster at gmail.com mailto:dejoodster at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would pull the injector on the bad cylinder at least and have the pump shop check it. > > > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:43 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have listened with my stethoscope and it sounds like the rear of the engine, probably cylinder #5. My farmer neighbor listened with a long socket extension and he thinks it's more forward maybe #2 or #3. > > > > > > The pump was taken to D&W Diesel and tested and they say all is good with it. I dont know how to check pump timing, or what could make it change. And if so, why only one cylinder? All the pump cam lobes showed no wear and looked good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still stumped. > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:52 PM Moe Fretz < tubetester at gmail.com mailto:tubetester at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > > > > > > > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $-------& > > > > > > > Moe Fretz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L'Orignal > > > > > > > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > > > > > > > > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is still there. The engine is an F2803 5 cylinder which seems to be not as common as most. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any > > > > > > > > Reputable dealers for used engines? > > > > > > > > I have attached a link to video where you can hear the noise. Any and all suggestions and comments welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/pMxOofbbJOA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys, > > > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > > > > > > The Maple Hill Farm > > > > > > > > Marion, NY > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 5 05:53:55 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 08:53:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar and why I am guessing that. If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > F2803 From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sun Apr 5 12:10:48 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 15:10:48 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had this engine apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil was new when I got it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time it has seen. Dave On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost wrote: > Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic > lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines > were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar > and why I am guessing that. > > If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for > minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right > before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality > synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > > > F2803 > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Sun Apr 5 13:18:10 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:18:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long has it been in there? Mike M On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals > are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first > thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had > this engine apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil > was new when I got it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the > few hours of run time it has seen. > > Dave > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost > wrote: > > Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking > hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine > and these engines were notorious for developing sticking lifters. > Noise sounds very familiar and why I am guessing that. > > If I am right,It is harmless but annoying.? There are some > techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam > in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or > so.? Then using a high-quality synthetic.? In addition I made very > frequent oil changes. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > > > F2803 > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 5 14:55:42 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 17:55:42 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8124F03C-5689-4413-93F6-FFF3F85E788E@rdfarms.com> Fly wheel puller came in Friday so I got the flywheel/rotor off. Pulled the starter clutch assembly from behind the rotor and sure enough : two big cracks. I guess I?ll hit up eBay and see what I can find. Spencer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110371 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > > ?So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s suspicious. > > So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. > > So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. > > The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sun Apr 5 15:12:26 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 18:12:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Fuel was just put in a few days ago. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM Mike M wrote: > Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long has it > been in there? > > Mike M > > > On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals are > free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first thing we > did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had this engine > apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil was new when I got > it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time > it has seen. > > Dave > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost wrote: > >> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic >> lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines >> were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar >> and why I am guessing that. >> >> If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for >> minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right >> before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality >> synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> > >> > F2803 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_1741666602929774740_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 17:41:04 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 20:41:04 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: What happens to the noise if you have it running, and then one at a time crack the fittings of the injector pipes on the injector pump? Does the noise go away on any one pipe? Does it alter pitch or change in any way? Roger > On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Fuel was just put in a few days ago. > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM Mike M > wrote: > Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long has it been in there? > > Mike M > > > On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and internals are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is the very first thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of the times we have had this engine apart. I have used Rislone in it in the begining and oil was new when I got it and have changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time it has seen. >> >> Dave >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost > wrote: >> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L engine and these engines were notorious for developing sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar and why I am guessing that. >> >> If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with seafoam in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe 100 miles or so. Then using a high-quality synthetic. In addition I made very frequent oil changes. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: >> > >> > F2803 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 5 17:49:46 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 19:49:46 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <54D08D28-ABAE-4263-936D-1853FF27632B@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <61b2f91d-8829-2423-a5c0-737464376575@copper.net> I noticed that the click is easier to hear at idle.? Can you take off the valve cover and run it at idle for a bit?? While idling and valve cover off, push down on each side of the rocker arms with a hammer handle or similar and see if the noise stops.? You could have some worn rocker arm bushings.? I had on old ford 292 that did that.? It would drop a pushrod sometimes if you over revved it like when it got stuck in mud... Cecil On 4/5/2020 7:41 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > What happens to the noise if you have it running, and then one at a > time crack the fittings of the injector pipes on the injector pump? > > Does the noise go away on any one pipe? Does it alter pitch or change > in any way? > > Roger > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Fuel was just put in a few days ago. >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Long shot here, but what's the quality of the fuel, and how long >> has it been in there? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/5/2020 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> Lifters have all been out and checked, ports are clear and >>> internals are free and valve lash is adjusted to spec. That is >>> the very first thing we did, and it has been rechecked each of >>> the times we have had this engine apart. I have used Rislone in >>> it in the begining and oil was new when I got it and have >>> changed the oil and filter twice in the few hours of run time it >>> has seen. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 AM Spencer Yost >> > wrote: >>> >>> Does this engine have hydraulic lifters?Sounds like sticking >>> hydraulic lifters. I had an Isuzu trooper with the 3.5 L >>> engine and these engines were notorious for developing >>> sticking lifters. Noise sounds very familiar and why I am >>> guessing that. >>> >>> If I am right,It is harmless but annoying. There are some >>> techniques for minimizing this. I used to control it with >>> seafoam in the engine oil right before an oil change - maybe >>> 100 miles or so.? Then using a high-quality synthetic.? In >>> addition I made very frequent oil changes. >>> >>> Spencer >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Dave Maynard >>> >> > wrote: >>> > >>> > F2803 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have had this engine apart > several times and cant find anything wrong, bearings are all good, > no broken rings, out of spec bores, pistons all good. > At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this > engine by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the > injectors and cups with new as the sound is like a bad injector, > but to no avail, noise is still there. 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URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sun Apr 5 18:59:32 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:59:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5. Have tried all rocker arm by pushing like Cecil says, not there. I've wondered about injection timing. Cam loves all look good with no wear on injection pump cam. I understand that the gear is pressed on and could have slipped, but wouldn't that affect all cylinders. Only mabey if original cam had one lobe slightly at the edge of spec and gear slip made it slightly more off enough to affect just one cylinder. Ya"ll see why I'm tearing my hair out....and not that much to lose anymore...lol Dave On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:53 PM Doug Tallman wrote: > I was wondering about injection timing too. Sounds like preignition. Doug T > On 4/4/2020 3:52 PM, Moe Fretz wrote: > > typical noisy Kubota diesel. > Possibly injection pump timing. > > > $-------& > Moe Fretz > > L'Orignal > Ontario, Canada > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, got my 1st non antique non red tractor this summer. Kubota >> 62 horse 4wd. Nice shape overall and a good price. However it makes a noise >> that seller said dealer told him it was a lifter adjustment, but it turns >> out not so. We have had this engine apart several times and cant find >> anything wrong, bearings are all good, no broken rings, out of spec bores, >> pistons all good. >> At odds trying to figure this out, and dont want to destroy this engine >> by running it too much. Just yesterday, replaced all the injectors and cups >> with new as the sound is like a bad injector, but to no avail, noise is >> still there. 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URL: From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sun Apr 5 19:00:35 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:00:35 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <5E881644.1070908@frontier.com> Message-ID: <5E8A8D43.3000706@frontier.com> Stephen Offiler wrote: > Steve: > > Scribes - yes, quite possible we made yours. We do about 100,000 a > year. Makes me wonder sometimes where they all go! The majority go out > as either Blue-Point (black anodized, laser mark logo) or Moody (blue > ano, no mark) and some go out bare aluminum under different brands like > King or Nasco. The majority have pressed-in picks; whereas, the one I > showed in the video has threaded, replaceable picks. If anybody cared > to watch the video you might have noticed the drilling and tapping on > both ends. It roughly doubles the cycle time vs the pressed-in design. > The almost-finished part sits and waits and waits for the back-drill and > back-tap. BTW the pressed design gets a little green Loctite as > insurance policy. > > Watch those puncture wounds; they infect easily. Now is not a good time > for a visit to the ER! > > SO Mine are blue-point IIRC. Been a while since I got them. I have about 3 sets, come in handy to remove small parts and clips.. Yeah, a bit late for the ER, I was just in there in late Feb. They decided to install a couple stents and I get to stab myself at lest 5 times a day, at least the needles are tiny. -- Steve W. From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sun Apr 5 19:03:58 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:03:58 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: References: <464771da-738c-3257-6db4-ae7ce1d4b8f1@centurylink.net> <8bf1ce6e-ce6b-0d6a-5eae-d5081b8f0084@copper.net> <887910239.128352.1586003146943@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5E8A8E0E.2020203@frontier.com> Ken Knierim wrote: > Steve: thanks for all the video and manufacturing information. I'd seen > shapers sitting around and knew generally how they worked (from a > retired machinist/engineer/shop wizard neighbor) but this is the first > time I've seen one in action. My son and I watched the machine work > > The new neighbor has 4 Haas and a Brother for CNC equipment now; any of > them are impressive to watch but the Brother is a step up (to me > anyway). Fast and efficient. Of course, the neighbor is pretty > fastidious and cares for his equipment well too. > > Jim: the neighbor fought with the coolant mist in his shop; it was > wrecking the AC filters and getting into everything until he got a HEPA > filtered system for abating the mess. Didn't take long before he had > them on all the machines. Afterward the filters in the AC system would > actually last a decent amount of time (rather than daily replacements). > It might not apply to what you were doing (since the CNC's are fairly > well enclosed) but I know it bothered him until he found and installed > the filtration systems. > > very informative. Thanks! > > Ken in AZ > Want to see shapers being used, hit the Abom79 channel on youtube. He now runs his own manual machine shop after working for Motion. -- Steve W. From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 19:42:57 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 22:42:57 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike M On 4/5/2020 10:42 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that > the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too > much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 5 20:09:17 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 22:09:17 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3457ee43-2e4b-0c73-2fd8-4bf36e368c65@copper.net> Does this noise start immediately or after it is run a bit.? It could be carbon buildup on the head or piston.? This would increase compression and also if it was glowing it could cause pre-detonation.?? Another thought.? Is it possible that the pre-combustion chamber is moving in its recess? ? This is a one time click along with the injection it seems. Cecil On 4/5/2020 9:42 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that > the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too > much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom > On 06 April 2020 at 14:42 Roger Moffat wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He sold it and bought a later model.? The engine that knocked, ? still knocked at over 150K miles...? Sometimes a knock is not too bad... Cecil On 4/5/2020 10:35 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: > > I was wondering about a errant piston, too. Have struck once on an AC > crawler engine. > > Also came across an over length con rod once, how that was made was a > bit of a mystery. > > Have you thought about a compression test? > > Tom > >> On 06 April 2020 at 14:42 Roger Moffat wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too >> much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger > > >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7jdj at aol.com Sun Apr 5 23:12:31 2020 From: k7jdj at aol.com (k7jdj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 06:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress?I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? Roger_______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Mon Apr 6 05:50:44 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:50:44 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <8124F03C-5689-4413-93F6-FFF3F85E788E@rdfarms.com> References: <8124F03C-5689-4413-93F6-FFF3F85E788E@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <2515df27-806e-3cc7-ba0e-d279be1810f4@basicisp.net> Wow! I'd say you were lucky it didn't come apart the last time you rode it. Hope you find the part cheap. Phil in TX On 4/5/2020 4:55 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > Fly wheel puller came in Friday so I got the flywheel/rotor off. Pulled the starter clutch assembly from behind the rotor and sure enough : two big cracks. > > I guess I?ll hit up eBay and see what I can find. > > Spencer > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> ?So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s suspicious. >> >> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >> >> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. >> >> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 6 06:08:07 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 08:08:07 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder > liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did > you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any > sign of head distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > > wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that > the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too > much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Mon Apr 6 08:35:14 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:35:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner > movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > Cecil > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners > if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look > carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head > distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the > compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before > top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 6 10:01:31 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:01:31 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 > had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his > father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was > more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston > and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been > chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is > rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears > identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same > except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 > or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm > wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause > preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they > would have to be accurately measured. > ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, > but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the > liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on > upstroke. > Cecil > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has >> cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get >> click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and >> look for any sign of head distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so >> that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting >> (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> >> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners >> if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look >> carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head >> distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:39:07 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:39:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? 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Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> >> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners >> if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look >> carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head >> distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 11:03:56 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:03:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5ECE3148-DB74-4D4A-9AF1-663AB01B9637@gmail.com> Actually I mis-spoke below? A longer rod would make the piston come up higher, but it would also start higher, not lower as I wrote. Roger > On Apr 6, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > > >> On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard > wrote: >> >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? > > No, a longer rod would cause that - the piston is coming up higher in the cylinder (and starting fractionally lower) so there?s greater compression in a cylinder with a longer rod (or a piston with a higher deck height). > > Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7jdj at aol.com Mon Apr 6 11:04:30 2020 From: k7jdj at aol.com (k7jdj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1966002606.1415140.1586196270756@mail.yahoo.com> Good point. -----Original Message----- From: Cecil Bearden To: at Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2020 6:08 am Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke.? Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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URL: From ken.knierim at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 11:05:42 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:05:42 -0700 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I chased in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard system would kick the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept thinking it was a rod or something. I finally got an engine to upgrade from the 305 to a 383 (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the bolts on the torque converter to the flex plate had slipped and were rattling. Had to replace the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded in the engine and wasn't. Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it possible there's something loose in the bell housing? Ken in AZ On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard wrote: > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > >> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >> clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>> head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_5572200372103490139_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 6 11:17:21 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:17:21 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: <6aa0105f-8b8a-2bcc-eeae-a21c2a291142@copper.net> I have a 2003 F-150 4wd that had a broke cross member and a clicking that sounded like the air conditioner clutch.? At this time I was having work done as my back was killing me.? Mechanic replaced A/C clutch and it still clicked.? He said drive it till it quits.? Last time I ever used him....? Took it to Transmission shop and $600 later it had a new flex plate.? Had to weld up cross member under transmission tail.? 6 months later had to rebuild transmission.? $2300 and I pulled a trailer about 150 miles and when I got back the flex plate clicking again.? It was during Christmas of 2018.? Trans guy was on vacation.? It? still sits here as I had t o use it to feed cattle with and have not had time to make appt. o get flex plate replaced.? F-150 torque converters expand if they get hot and break the flex plate. Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:05 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I > chased in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard > system would kick the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept > thinking it was a rod or something. I finally got an engine to upgrade > from the 305 to a 383 (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the > bolts on the torque converter to the flex plate had slipped and were > rattling. Had to replace the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded > in the engine and wasn't. > > Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it > possible there's something loose in the bell housing? > > Ken in AZ > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance > from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as > there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about > the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been > short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M > wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and > bearing clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart >> before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The >> seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never >> been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you >> could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings >> had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the >> noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that >> appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the >> rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost >> immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is >> almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if >> that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods >> so they would have to be accurately measured. >> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart >> again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been >> that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down >> stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >> wrote: >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has >>> cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you >>> would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when >>> you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets >>>> quieter on #5 >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the >>> noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow >>> different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s >>> igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre >>> in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_5572200372103490139_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k7jdj at aol.com Mon Apr 6 11:31:18 2020 From: k7jdj at aol.com (k7jdj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1707035314.1474130.1586197878782@mail.yahoo.com> Harmonic damper? -----Original Message----- From: Ken Knierim To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2020 11:06 am Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I chased in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard system would kick the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept thinking it was a rod or something. I finally got an engine to upgrade from the 305 to a 383 (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the bolts on the torque converter to the flex plate had slipped and were rattling. Had to replace the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded in the engine and wasn't.? Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it possible there's something loose in the bell housing? Ken in AZ On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard wrote: Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know.? ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke.? Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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Cranck and cam bearings all seem good with no play or any heat looking stress, but cant check main bearings without splitting tractor because Kubota engines have crank assembly installed from the end like you would a camshaft. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 2:31 PM wrote: > Harmonic damper? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Knierim > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Sent: Mon, Apr 6, 2020 11:06 am > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > Really reaching a bit here... I had a persistent rattling noise I chased > in my Blazer. It made enough racket that the spark retard system would kick > the timing back. Tried all kinds of things; kept thinking it was a rod or > something. I finally got an engine to upgrade from the 305 to a 383 > (stroker 350). When I tore it apart, I found the bolts on the torque > converter to the flex plate had slipped and were rattling. Had to replace > the flexplate to fix it but the noise sounded in the engine and wasn't. > > Yours sounds like a particular cylinder from the video but is it possible > there's something loose in the bell housing? > > Ken in AZ > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner > movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > Cecil > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners > if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look > carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head > distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the > compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before > top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bohinch at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 15:03:55 2020 From: bohinch at gmail.com (Bo Hinch) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 17:03:55 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > >> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >> clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>> head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Mon Apr 6 15:24:42 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:24:42 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >> >>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>> clearances? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >>> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >>> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >>> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >>> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >>> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >>> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>> Cecil >>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Apr 6 15:34:15 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: <223138769.956990.1586212456807@connect.xfinity.com> A short rod won't change injector timing but it will change the compression ratio and power output of that cylinder. A compression test of each cylinder might show this. Brian > On April 6, 2020 at 6:24 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch < bohinch at gmail.com mailto:bohinch at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > > > > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > > > > > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com mailto:k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? > > > > > > > I would do a compression check as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renton, WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com > > > > > > > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But only on #5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Mon Apr 6 18:18:37 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <223138769.956990.1586212456807@connect.xfinity.com> References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <223138769.956990.1586212456807@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1694273501.24760797.1586222317033.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Dave, Have you tried going on line and searching for something like ?Kubota M5700 engine noise?? Maybe somebody out there had the same problem and posted how they resolved it. There may be a discussion group where you might get ideas other than what?s been already mentioned here. You might also find a Kubota M5700 owners group who can tell you exactly what?s going on. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian VanDragt To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 18:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise A short rod won't change injector timing but it will change the compression ratio and power output of that cylinder. A compression test of each cylinder might show this. Brian > On April 6, 2020 at 6:24 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch < bohinch at gmail.com mailto:bohinch at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > > > > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > > > > > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com mailto:k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? > > > > > > > I would do a compression check as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renton, WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com > > > > > > > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But only on #5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > AT mailing list > > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AT mailing list > > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AT mailing list > > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Apr 7 16:02:40 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 19:02:40 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> Message-ID: <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far.? Doug T On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good > point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch > wrote: > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard > > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its > clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to > the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new > concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that > would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M > wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring > and bearing clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart >> before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The >> seller said it was his father's tractor since new and >> never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil >> pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and >> rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had >> been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other >> reason, but dont know. >> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower >> he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this >> motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. >> He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter >> by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. >> Part number is almost the same except last digit and now >> I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would >> shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no >> part number on the rods so they would have to be >> accurately measured. >> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back >> apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has >> been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once >> on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >> wrote: >>> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine >>> even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner >>> is moving you would get click. Did you look >>> carefully at the head when you had it off and look >>> for any sign of head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it >>>> gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the >>> noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow >>> different so that the compression is higher, and so >>> it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top >>> dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 02:18:24 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 05:18:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 SO On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause > pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston > wouldn't come up as far. Doug T > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good > point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: > >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>> >>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>> clearances? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>>>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>>> Cecil >>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>> head distress? >>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But only on #5? >>>>> >>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>> >>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>> >>>>> Roger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> <#m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Wed Apr 8 07:11:30 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:11:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? Dave On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>>> clearances? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, >>>>> but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the >>>>>> liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on >>>>>> upstroke. >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>>> head distress? >>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> <#m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 8 07:36:22 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:36:22 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been many years since I did a compression analysis.? Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? Cecil On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? > Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that > could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite > causing the knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > > I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm > stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 liter, > giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? Now, what-if the > con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds .0059 liter to the > combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down > to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause > pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the > piston wouldn't come up as far.? Doug T > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James >> makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may >> change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch > > wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and >> its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not >> traveling to close to the head as there would be >> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the >> wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would >> have been short, not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all the >> piston,ring and bearing clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this >>> engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and >>> rod and bearings. The seller said it was his >>> father's tractor since new and never been >>> apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan >>> than you could imagine and obviously that piston >>> and rod and bearings had been replaced and I >>> thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless >>> there was some other reason, but dont know. >>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson >>> mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder >>> version of this motor that appears identical >>> except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to >>> be the same except it a tweak shorter by an >>> almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. >>> Part number is almost the same except last digit >>> and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's >>> mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By >>> the way, there is no part number on the rods so >>> they would have to be accurately measured. >>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get >>> this back apart again, but hoping to have this >>> fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my >>> experience has been that the liner movement >>> was a double "thud" once on down stroke and >>> once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this >>>> engine even has cylinder liners if it does >>>> and that liner is moving you would get >>>> click. Did you look carefully at the head >>>> when you had it off and look for any sign >>>> of head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, >>>>> and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others?the engine >>>> misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is >>>> somehow different so that the compression >>>> is higher, and so it?s igniting >>>> (pre-igniting) too much before top dead >>>> centre in just that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 8 08:58:32 2020 From: tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net (ustonThomas Mehrkam) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 15:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> Message-ID: <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> A Google search for? kubota M5700 engine noise? turns up a thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem.? Knock piston 5.? You might follow this thread to see if there was a solution M5700 'Knock' and other questions | | | | M5700 'Knock' and other questions My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... | | | On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden wrote: I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been many years since I did a compression analysis.? Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? Cecil On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? Dave On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 SO On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far.? Doug T On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know.? ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke.? Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose.? Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others?the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Wed Apr 8 09:46:52 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:46:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as Mangus. Dave M On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam wrote: > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on > tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. > Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a > solution > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but > we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < > crbearden at copper.net> wrote: > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the > problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I > did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > Cecil > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? > Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could > change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the > knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause > pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston > wouldn't come up as far. Doug T > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good > point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from > head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be > damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in > by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing > clearances? > > Mike M > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had > a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's > tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on > oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and > bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. > Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding > that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except > the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak > shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number > is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be > someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there > is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but > hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > Dave > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner > movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > Cecil > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners > if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look > carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head > distress? > I would do a compression check as well. > > Gary > > Renton, WA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Moffat > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard > wrote: > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > But only on #5? > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the > compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before > top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Wed Apr 8 09:57:16 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:57:16 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the others. Dave M. On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard wrote: > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my > son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as > Mangus. > > Dave M > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam > wrote: > >> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on >> tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. >> Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a >> solution >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but >> we have a couple things we are trying t... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < >> crbearden at copper.net> wrote: >> >> >> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the >> problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I >> did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >> Cecil >> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? >> Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could >> change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the >> knock? >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. >> 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber >> volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That >> adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops >> compression down to 18.4:1 >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >> wrote: >> >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >> clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >> Cecil >> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >> >> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners >> if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look >> carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head >> distress? >> I would do a compression check as well. >> >> Gary >> >> Renton, WA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roger Moffat >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> >> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >> >> >> But only on #5? >> >> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >> >> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >> >> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >> >> Roger >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 10:28:05 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided by chamber volume. If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R is the compression ratio: R = (S + C)/C R = S/C + 1 R ? 1 = S/C (R ? 1) * C = S C = S/(R ? 1) C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus the new compression ratio R1 is: R1 = S/C1 + 1 R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the deck of the block. Jim Becker From: Stephen Offiler Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 SO On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far. Doug T On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? Mike M On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. Dave On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. Cecil On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? I would do a compression check as well. Gary Renton, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 But only on #5? When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? 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URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 8 11:25:35 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:25:35 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> References: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> Message-ID: <4745652F-C868-47A6-92FC-BFCF54B2AEB0@rdfarms.com> I have been able to read part/casting numbers on rods with my inspection scope. If the oil drain bolt hole is close enough to #5 you might get the access you need for looking around with a scope. it can be tedious but usually can be done. But if you?re luck is like mine that oil drain bolt will be on the wrong side of the engine :-). Push comes to shove you can pull the pan for inspection. Long story but I actually had to do this once to see which one of three available rods I needed to buy to replace the one that was broken. One of the three was only available in overseas markets and took 2-3 months to get so wanted to start the ordering process if needed before I started the tear down. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ? > Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided by chamber volume. > > If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: > > If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R is the compression ratio: > R = (S + C)/C > R = S/C + 1 > R ? 1 = S/C > (R ? 1) * C = S > C = S/(R ? 1) > > C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 > > A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus the new compression ratio R1 is: > R1 = S/C1 + 1 > R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 > > Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. > > I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the deck of the block. > > Jim Becker > > From: Stephen Offiler > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman wrote: >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >>>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >>>>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >>>>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? >>>>>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Roger >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 8 12:01:49 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0e4327cc-6661-40b6-8481-0d2989a89472@copper.net> Usually a piston pin bushing will produce a double knock. Usually..............? Just like an old farmer once told me when in the middle of a drought.?? I said:"The cows are grazing in the heat of the day.? That's a sign of rain" He said: "All signs fail in dry weather" Cecil On 4/8/2020 11:57 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been > guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there > could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown > reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause > higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose > or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing > an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. > Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to > get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could > be apart a little longer than the others. > > Dave M. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a > post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize > him on here as Mangus. > > Dave M > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam > > wrote: > > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a > thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with > exactly the same problem.? Knock piston 5.? You might follow > this thread to see if there was a solution > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice > shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might > be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been > many years since I did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets > older tricks thing!!! > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > Cecil > > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the > proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be > leftover fuel that could change things on next compression > stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler > > wrote: > > I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x > 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 > liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? > Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds > .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, > which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > > > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing > or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less > compression because the piston wouldn't come up as > far.? Doug T > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But >> James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too >> short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch >> > wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting >> rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But >> it's not traveling to close to the head as >> there would be damage showing. Just have this >> new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, >> not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M >> > >> wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all >> the piston,ring and bearing clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had >>> this engine apart before and #5 had a >>> new piston and rod and bearings. The >>> seller said it was his father's tractor >>> since new and never been apart....he >>> lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than >>> you could imagine and obviously that >>> piston and rod and bearings had been >>> replaced and I thought they had been >>> chasing the noise. Unless there was some >>> other reason, but dont know. >>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a >>> Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that >>> has a 4 cylinder version of this motor >>> that appears identical except the number >>> of cyl's. He found the rod to be the >>> same except it a tweak shorter by an >>> almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 >>> or .010. Part number is almost the same >>> except last digit and now I'm wondering >>> if that could be someone's mistake. >>> Would shorter rod cause preignition? By >>> the way, there is no part number on the >>> rods so they would have to be accurately >>> measured. >>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can >>> get this back apart again, but hoping to >>> have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil >>> Bearden >> > wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my >>> experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on >>> down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if >>>> this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is >>>> moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you >>>> had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> >>>> >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email >>>> Discussion Group >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave >>>>> Maynard >>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at >>>>> a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others?the >>>> engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about >>>> cylinder 5 is somehow different so >>>> that the compression is higher, and >>>> so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too >>>> much before top dead centre in just >>>> that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than >>>> the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. 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There are several things > I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two > machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with > Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi > at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop > (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it.? Google > to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that > allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck > isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive > relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the memory > error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need > more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like this, any words > of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it > was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dejoodster at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:03:02 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 15:03:02 -0500 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <4745652F-C868-47A6-92FC-BFCF54B2AEB0@rdfarms.com> References: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> <4745652F-C868-47A6-92FC-BFCF54B2AEB0@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately Kubota cast numbers aren't as solid of means to identify parts as they are on other brands. Jason On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 1:25 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > I have been able to read part/casting numbers on rods with my inspection > scope. If the oil drain bolt hole is close enough to #5 you might get the > access you need for looking around with a scope. it can be tedious but > usually can be done. But if you?re luck is like mine that oil drain bolt > will be on the wrong side of the engine :-). Push comes to shove you can > pull the pan for inspection. > > Long story but I actually had to do this once to see which one of three > available rods I needed to buy to replace the one that was broken. One of > the three was only available in overseas markets and took 2-3 months to get > so wanted to start the ordering process if needed before I started the tear > down. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ? > Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume > divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided > by chamber volume. > > If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: > > If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R > is the compression ratio: > R = (S + C)/C > R = S/C + 1 > R ? 1 = S/C > (R ? 1) * C = S > C = S/(R ? 1) > > C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 > > A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus > the new compression ratio R1 is: > R1 = S/C1 + 1 > R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 > > Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether > the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a > misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem > unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the > next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. > > I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod > without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by > bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the > deck of the block. > > Jim Becker > > *From:* Stephen Offiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>>> clearances? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, >>>>> but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the >>>>>> liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on >>>>>> upstroke. >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>>> head distress? >>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com >>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>>> mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 8 13:10:30 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:10:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With Wine you are basically running a virtual machine (OK not really but from a resources perspective it?s close) inside of the laptop running Linux - so you have two computers competing for the same physical resources. My guess is the resource limitation is the laptop not the USB drive and there is probably some configuration you can do to avoid it. I stopped using Wine years ago so unfortunately I don?t remember much. I also don?t think wine will help you with the connectivity issue? Not sure if you?re using wine to be able to run some office products or what but doubt it will help connectivity. A supported USB wireless adapter is cheap. You might want to use green shims to solve this technical problem. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=301306 Spencer. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not > sure if you?re using wine to be able to run some office products or > what but doubt it will help connectivity. > > A supported USB wireless adapter is cheap. You might want to use green > shims to solve this technical problem. > > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=301306 > > > Spencer. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding >> Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting >> and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of >> paperwork as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected >> to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best.? There are several >> things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had >> two machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with >> Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my >> WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop >> (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google >> to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer >> that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck >> isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive >> relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the >> memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? >> Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like >> this, any words of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when >> it was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 8 13:20:01 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> References: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2041563806.26600235.1586377201162.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Your laptop has 4GB but you?ve already used some of that for whatever you already have loaded (operating system, games and programs, file, etc.) so you may not have enough room left to add whatever files are required for Wine. Check how much available RAM you have and see how much Wine needs. You may have to move some files from your laptop to the thumb drive, or another separate thumb drive, in order to make room for Wine. Keep in mind that you?re also going to need some memory for whatever you?ll be working on. If you don?t have sufficient room you may notice slow down or hang up, and you may have to do frequent saves. Remember that the computer saves the original file and the copy you?re working on until you save the new file, and then the saved file becomes the new original file and the old original file is gone (actually still there but the space it took up becomes available for saving/creating files). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. _http://forums.linuxmint.com_ On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running > off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork > as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my > workstation at work, which is... OK at best.? There are several things > I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two > machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with > Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi > at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop > (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it.? Google > to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that > allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck > isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive > relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the memory > error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need > more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like this, any words > of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it > was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Wed Apr 8 13:22:17 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 20:22:17 +0000 Subject: [AT] [External] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple thoughts on this. Any reason to not use your iMac? If you don't like Apple Numbers and want a more Microsoft Excel feeling application you could use Apache's Open Office. It's free open source software similar to Libre Office. As for linux and your USB Wifi adapter. I wonder if running it off a USB stick is a more limited install that may not have the full compliment of drivers available? I haven't played with it lately but I had an old D-Link USB wireless adapter that I thought I'd used with Ubuntu and there weren't any hoops to jump through. But it's been some time so don't remember exactly. As others have said, I'd pass it by on the Mint forums and see if someone there might point you in the right direction. I don't think Wine is the solution here IMHO. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:00 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group Subject: [External] [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) Steve O. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:27:18 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:27:18 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <2041563806.26600235.1586377201162.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> <2041563806.26600235.1586377201162.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: That 4GB is plenty for a Mate installation. I have several laptops with that amount, running Linux. On 4/8/20 4:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Your laptop has 4GB but you?ve already used some of that for whatever you already have loaded (operating system, games and programs, file, etc.) so you may not have enough room left to add whatever files are required for Wine. > > Check how much available RAM you have and see how much Wine needs. You may have to move some files from your laptop to the thumb drive, or another separate thumb drive, in order to make room for Wine. Keep in mind that you?re also going to need some memory for whatever you?ll be working on. If you don?t have sufficient room you may notice slow down or hang up, and you may have to do frequent saves. Remember that the computer saves the original file and the copy you?re working on until you save the new file, and then the saved file becomes the new original file and the old original file is gone (actually still there but the space it took up becomes available for saving/creating files). > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:29:48 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion > > Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, > register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. > _http://forums.linuxmint.com_ > > On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running >> off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork >> as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my >> workstation at work, which is... OK at best.? There are several things >> I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two >> machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes with >> Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi >> at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop >> (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it.? Google >> to the rescue.? The solution involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that >> allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck >> isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive >> relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 GB.? I was taking the memory >> error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need >> more than 4GB of RAM?? Anybody run into anything like this, any words >> of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >> was new in 2008.? I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:05:40 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:05:40 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ken. I am brutally new and incompetent with this Linux stuff. I don't know if there's a memory config for Wine. I am just going thru this very long, very beginner-friendly step-by-step: https://www.pcsteps.com/10463-install-wine-linux-mint-ubuntu-run-windows-apps/ It has me copy-pasting commands into the Terminal and I am completely lost as to what any of them are doing. I do need to go back and make note of the point where the Wine install process starts to produce errors. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:15 PM Ken Knierim wrote: > Is there a memory configuration for Wine that can be adjusted? (I haven't > used it in quite a while and I'm sure things have changed) > Most of the linux systems I have use a lot less memory but I don't have > any booting from thumb drives (SD cards on embedded Debian controllers, > yes). > 4 Gig should be more than enough and an old Solidworks system should be > pretty stout. > Some of the older hardware couldn't address all the memory but Linux > should tell you how much it thinks it has available with the "free" > command. > > Cheers, > > Ken in AZ > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 PM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off >> a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as >> well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at >> work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit >> annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux >> is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. >> I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine >> under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The >> solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to >> run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't >> full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily >> on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the >> thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? >> Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >> was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:08:09 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:08:09 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Spencer. Yes, I am told Wine is what I need to unpack the Netgear drivers. Here's a quote from the instructions I'm trying to follow: "...I used Wine to ?install? the drivers. Install Wine and make sure it is configured to Windows XP. It does not really install the drivers, but runs the install wizard like it was on windows and unpacks them into a kind of phony C:\ drive so you can use them. Use Wine to browse that C:\ drive and you will find a folder WNDA3100v2. Inside that folder is a folder- Driver and in that WinXP200. There you will find a file bcmwlhigh5.inf. That is the prize you have been looking for..." and this comes from here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383708 Now... a supported Wifi adapter... why didn't I think of that?! SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:10 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > With Wine you are basically running a virtual machine (OK not really but > from a resources perspective it?s close) inside of the laptop running Linux > - so you have two computers competing for the same physical resources. My > guess is the resource limitation is the laptop not the USB drive and there > is probably some configuration you can do to avoid it. I stopped using > Wine years ago so unfortunately I don?t remember much. > > I also don?t think wine will help you with the connectivity issue? Not > sure if you?re using wine to be able to run some office products or what > but doubt it will help connectivity. > > A supported USB wireless adapter is cheap. You might want to use green > shims to solve this technical problem. > > https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=301306 > > > Spencer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:18:59 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:18:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] [External] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got a modern, powerful workstation on my desk at work that runs Solidworks 2020 plus several browser windows, the company's enterprise management software, and a couple spreadsheets wall at once without breaking a sweat. At home, I use remote software over VPN so the iMac is actually just a keyboard and display; all the real processing is getting done on the work machine. But. The iMac is just a 21" monitor and I've got dual 27" / 21" at work, so it is necessary to collapse things down, not run so much at once, etc. It gets annoying trying to figure out new ways to work with limited monitor space. That's one problem. The other problem is everybody and his brother must be streaming Netflix all day, because I've also got latency issues that compound the annoyance. My scheme is to get a second machine going at home, so the iMac/work machine are doing only Solidworks and enterprise mgmt; the browsers and spreadsheets would run on the second machine. Incidentally, we use Libre Office at work, and I use that at home on the iMac as well. Not a fan of Numbers. I was not surprised to find Libre Office bundled with Linux Mint. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:22 PM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > A couple thoughts on this. > > Any reason to not use your iMac? If you don't like Apple Numbers and want > a more Microsoft Excel feeling application you could use Apache's Open > Office. It's free open source software similar to Libre Office. > > As for linux and your USB Wifi adapter. I wonder if running it off a USB > stick is a more limited install that may not have the full compliment of > drivers available? I haven't played with it lately but I had an old D-Link > USB wireless adapter that I thought I'd used with Ubuntu and there weren't > any hoops to jump through. But it's been some time so don't remember > exactly. As others have said, I'd pass it by on the Mint forums and see if > someone there might point you in the right direction. I don't think Wine is > the solution here IMHO. > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:00 PM > *To:* Antique tractor email discussion group > > *Subject:* [External] [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion > > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 14:25:03 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:25:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to $15 from Amazon. I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the laptop was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it Ethernet? 4 Gb should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old desktop with less than that but I'm not running it as USB but I have ran other Linux on USB like Knoppix without any problems. I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I have a USB WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like yours it is for Windows. . On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler wrote: > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > Steve O. > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 15:47:04 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 18:47:04 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks farmer. You all are being quite helpful, and I really appreciate it. Imagine my dismay to learn just how novice I really am - I never even considered there was such a thing as a "linux-compatible network adapter" until Spencer and now you mentioned it. Going to see if maybe Staples or Best Buy or whoever else might have one; that way I can drive over there and get it same-day. The company's buying this hardware. Before you ask - they aren't too wild about buying me a whole new laptop, and I don't blame them; at best I might fall into 1/2-1 day per week routine working from home. But incidentals like these, no problem. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to $15 from > Amazon. > I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the laptop > was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it Ethernet? 4 Gb > should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old desktop with less than > that but I'm not running it as USB but I have ran other Linux on USB like > Knoppix without any problems. > I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon > shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I have a USB > WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like yours it is for Windows. > > > . > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler wrote: > >> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off >> a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >> >> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >> home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as >> well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at >> work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit >> annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. >> >> Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux >> is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. >> I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine >> under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The >> solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to >> run under Linux. >> >> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >> memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't >> full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily >> on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the >> thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? >> Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? >> >> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >> was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) >> >> Steve O. >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 17:45:47 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 20:45:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> References: <023c967c-f119-9b43-3cde-2ed4c76071d4@accnorwalk.com> <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <45D55CC821B84D8DB67E64D4148CBC03@JimDesktop> Message-ID: Absolutely correct, Jim. I realized my error on the drive to work, intended to post an update, but work as usual got in the way. I also figured as a first-pass approximation I wasn't off by much. SO On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:14 PM Jim Becker wrote: > Compression ratio is of the swept volume plus combustion chamber volume > divided by the chamber volume. It looks like you used swept volume divided > by chamber volume. > > If I ignore the bore, which is just a multiplier on top of everything: > > If stroke is S, C is the average height of the combustion chamber, and R > is the compression ratio: > R = (S + C)/C > R = S/C + 1 > R ? 1 = S/C > (R ? 1) * C = S > C = S/(R ? 1) > > C = 92/(23 ? 1) = 92/22 = 4.18 > > A shorter rod increases C by the same amount to the new value C1. Thus > the new compression ratio R1 is: > R1 = S/C1 + 1 > R1 = 92/(4.18 + 1) + 1 = 92/5.18 + 1 = 17.75 + 1 = 18.75 call it 18.8 > > Back to the original problem, it isn?t clear to me that it matters whether > the ratio is 18.4 or 18.8. It seems that is low enough to cause a > misfire. If there isn?t enough compression to get ignition, it seem > unlikely the left over fuel from a misfire would cause preignition on the > next cycle. But who knows what all the behavior might be. > > I can?t come up with any way to identify a mismatched connecting rod > without disassembly. Once the head is off, it should be easy to find by > bringing each piston up to TDC and measuring the height relative to the > deck of the block. > > Jim Becker > > *From:* Stephen Offiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:18 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. > 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber > volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That > adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops > compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > wrote: > >> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>>> clearances? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, >>>>> but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the >>>>>> liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on >>>>>> upstroke. >>>>>> Cecil >>>>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>>>> head distress? >>>>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com >>>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>>>> mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But only on #5? >>>>>> >>>>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that >>>>>> the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much >>>>>> before top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>>>> >>>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hfleming at moosebird.net Thu Apr 9 06:51:21 2020 From: hfleming at moosebird.net (Howard Fleming) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 09:51:21 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <692af9b8-556a-1488-b179-ea5579e6ec52@moosebird.net> Just to add my 2 bits to the conversation..... 4 gigs of ram in the laptop should be more than enough for most things (if you leave wine out of the equation).? I am running Debian 10 on a Asus laptop here with 4 gigs, with the OS installed on the hard drive. Another option not mentioned for internet access is if you are near the wifi router, and if it has an ethernet port(s), use an ethernet cable to connect the laptop to the router, there is a better chance that the ethernet interface is support by Linux (Mint, or any other flavor for that matter). As mentioned by others, an adapter directly supported by Linux Mint is a much better option. Only addition I would suggest is to get wifi usb 3.0 adapter, it should handle the 2.0 spec without a problem, and if you do have 3.0 usb port on the laptop, should speed it up considerably (assuming wifi is not your limiting factor.....). *If* you do want to try to use your existing adapter and are looking for specific windows files for the usb adapter that you do have, you may already have the files on the windows laptop you tested the adapter on.? You "should" be able to to find the inf file under c:\windows\inf, and the inf file should name the driver file you will also need, if you decide to try this.? Having done this in the past, I would recommend buying a new adapter. As for farmers comment on the command line, he is probably correct on it holding back Linux on the desktop/mainstream for home use.? In the business world it tends to be more "we are a windows shop mindset" which tends to trickle down to end users.... I personally like the command line for many things, tends to be much faster for many things (including getting yourself in trouble if you enter the wrong command). I run mostly Debian at home for desktop and server use, tho I do have one 15 plus year old Centos 4.2 server still going (isolated from the internet!) that I have been meaning to replace for the last 10 years or so ;o). And the more I learn about Linux, the less I know...... Howard On 4/8/20 6:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Thanks farmer.? You all are being quite helpful, and I really > appreciate it.? Imagine my dismay to learn just how novice I really am > - I never even considered there was such a thing as a > "linux-compatible network adapter" until Spencer and now you mentioned > it.? Going to see if maybe Staples or Best Buy or whoever else might > have one; that way I can drive over there and get it same-day.? The > company's buying this hardware. Before you ask - they aren't too wild > about buying me a whole new laptop, and I don't blame them; at best I > might fall into 1/2-1 day per week routine working from home.? But > incidentals like these, no problem. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM Indiana Robinson > > wrote: > > You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to > $15 from Amazon. > I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the > laptop was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it > Ethernet? 4 Gb should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old > desktop with less than that but I'm not running it as USB but I > have ran other Linux on USB like Knoppix without any problems. > I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon > shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I > have a USB WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like > yours it is for Windows. > > > . > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding > Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success > booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it > aside. > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more > work from home.? While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have > a ton of paperwork as well.? I have my home computer (iMac) > remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at > best.? There are several things I find a bit annoying, and > they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > Back to that old laptop.? The Libre Office package that comes > with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it > talking to my WiFi at home.? I've got a Netgear USB Wifi > interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) > but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue.? The solution > involves Wine, a compatibility?layer that allows Windows stuff > to run under Linux. > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was > out of memory.? The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure > as holy heck isn't full.? I have been hearing that operation > off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM.? This laptop has 4 > GB.? I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, > but that's clearly wrong.? Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine > when it was new in 2008.? 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 07:53:02 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:53:02 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <692af9b8-556a-1488-b179-ea5579e6ec52@moosebird.net> References: <692af9b8-556a-1488-b179-ea5579e6ec52@moosebird.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the inputs, Howard! You're right, a cable is definitely an option. In fact, that's where I started. At home, my router is on a shelf in a closet on the second floor, and the only cable I have is 3' long, but that was good enough for a quick test. Success. Encouraging, but my home office is way down in the basement, so my next step was to see what would happen with the Netgear WiFi adapter I used to use on this machine under XP. Fail. Completely ignored by Linux. I quickly found somebody on the forums that had made this exact adapter work, so that seemed encouraging... and down the rabbit hole I slipped. I have since determined that a 50' cable will reach from that closet to my desk, and I'm on my way out to get one. This is really a grand experiment to figure out a solution to working from home. I'm not married to this laptop nor Linux, but they were so close at hand that it was an obvious place to begin. I have to keep reminding myself what the main goal is - to mitigate the annoyances I encountered in my intial work-from-home experience. SO On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:59 AM Howard Fleming wrote: > Just to add my 2 bits to the conversation..... > > 4 gigs of ram in the laptop should be more than enough for most things (if > you leave wine out of the equation). I am running Debian 10 on a Asus > laptop here with 4 gigs, with the OS installed on the hard drive. > > Another option not mentioned for internet access is if you are near the > wifi router, and if it has an ethernet port(s), use an ethernet cable to > connect the laptop to the router, there is a better chance that the > ethernet interface is support by Linux (Mint, or any other flavor for that > matter). > > As mentioned by others, an adapter directly supported by Linux Mint is a > much better option. > > Only addition I would suggest is to get wifi usb 3.0 adapter, it should > handle the 2.0 spec without a problem, and if you do have 3.0 usb port on > the laptop, should speed it up considerably (assuming wifi is not your > limiting factor.....). > > *If* you do want to try to use your existing adapter and are looking for > specific windows files for the usb adapter that you do have, you may > already have the files on the windows laptop you tested the adapter on. > You "should" be able to to find the inf file under c:\windows\inf, and the > inf file should name the driver file you will also need, if you decide to > try this. Having done this in the past, I would recommend buying a new > adapter. > > As for farmers comment on the command line, he is probably correct on it > holding back Linux on the desktop/mainstream for home use. In the business > world it tends to be more "we are a windows shop mindset" which tends to > trickle down to end users.... > > I personally like the command line for many things, tends to be much > faster for many things (including getting yourself in trouble if you enter > the wrong command). > > I run mostly Debian at home for desktop and server use, tho I do have one > 15 plus year old Centos 4.2 server still going (isolated from the > internet!) that I have been meaning to replace for the last 10 years or so > ;o). > > And the more I learn about Linux, the less I know...... > > Howard > > > > > > On 4/8/20 6:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Thanks farmer. You all are being quite helpful, and I really appreciate > it. Imagine my dismay to learn just how novice I really am - I never even > considered there was such a thing as a "linux-compatible network adapter" > until Spencer and now you mentioned it. Going to see if maybe Staples or > Best Buy or whoever else might have one; that way I can drive over there > and get it same-day. The company's buying this hardware. Before you ask - > they aren't too wild about buying me a whole new laptop, and I don't blame > them; at best I might fall into 1/2-1 day per week routine working from > home. But incidentals like these, no problem. > > SO > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:25 PM Indiana Robinson > wrote: > >> You can get a Linux compatible USB WIFI adapter for about $10 to $15 from >> Amazon. >> I wouldn't use Wine at all if it was avoidable. I take it that the laptop >> was not WIFI because it was a workstation model? was it Ethernet? 4 Gb >> should be plenty. I'm running Linux Mint on an old desktop with less than >> that but I'm not running it as USB but I have ran other Linux on USB like >> Knoppix without any problems. >> I have a $12.99 Linux compatible WIFI adapter sitting in my Amazon >> shopping cart waiting to add a few other items before I order. I have a USB >> WIFI adapter laying on the table beside me but like yours it is for Windows. >> >> >> . >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:01 PM Stephen Offiler >> wrote: >> >>> We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate >>> would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off >>> a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. >>> >>> Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from >>> home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as >>> well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at >>> work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit >>> annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. >>> >>> Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux >>> is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. >>> I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine >>> under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The >>> solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to >>> run under Linux. >>> >>> Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of >>> memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't >>> full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily >>> on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the >>> thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? >>> Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? >>> >>> (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it >>> was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) >>> >>> Steve O. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:37:20 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 14:37:20 -0400 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion Message-ID: Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some back-up files on it now. The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. One kind of amazing thing about Linux is how much complex software you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. One good info source is: https://distrowatch.com/ OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit for me that will hold a Ethernet cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and an air line for the basement wood-shop. 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I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of the year it won't be a problem anyway! Best regards, Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 Columbia, Missouri On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... > Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. > "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved > from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning > while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not > harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord > hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for > booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some > back-up files on it now. > The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get > "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. > One kind of amazing thing?about Linux is how much complex software you > can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and > whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. > One good info source is: > https://distrowatch.com/ > > OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop > machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled > closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff > up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something > quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit > for me that will hold a Ethernet?cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and > an air line for the basement wood-shop. > A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed > control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled > water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hank at millerfarm.com Thu Apr 9 12:25:58 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:25:58 -0500 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <68ee9a79-66ca-7195-ad76-50b454b504cf@centurylink.net> References: <68ee9a79-66ca-7195-ad76-50b454b504cf@centurylink.net> Message-ID: If it wasn't such a pain to work with fiber optical cable would be better yet, it avoids ground loop problems and other electrical problems. Also completely immune to lightning. I was hoping to do a similar line to my shop in a year (this summer is booked just solving humidy problems so my tractors don't rust away), but I'm not sure if the virus will affect my bonus which was supposed to supply the cash to do this with. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 14:00, Mark Johnson wrote: > Farmer: > As long as your Ethernet cable is < 300 feet you should be fine...get the best cable you can buy, though. Cat7 shielded cable will cost more but will be much more resistant to electrical noise for a lengthy underground run. > I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of the year it won't be a problem anyway! > Best regards, > Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 > Columbia, Missouri > > On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. >> "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some back-up files on it now. >> The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. >> One kind of amazing thing about Linux is how much complex software you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. >> One good info source is: >> https://distrowatch.com/ >> >> OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit for me that will hold a Ethernet cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and an air line for the basement wood-shop. >> A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hfleming at moosebird.net Thu Apr 9 14:22:35 2020 From: hfleming at moosebird.net (Howard Fleming) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:22:35 -0400 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: References: <68ee9a79-66ca-7195-ad76-50b454b504cf@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <1509cbce-be7f-7472-89d6-3b67ac92b0ed@moosebird.net> If your home and shop are on different electrical services, it might be worth the effort to pull fiber to avoid the electrical issues mentioned by Henry. I have been looking at monoprice.com for pre made optical cables to run between my house and garage (about 100').? Currently have 2 Cat 5e cables running between the buildings, but I am considering moving my "in house" servers from the basement to the garage to reduce the noise levels. You might want to consider running at least 2 conduits when you do it, its not that much more effort. I ran 1-2", 2-3/4" and 1-1/2" pvc conduits when I buried mine years ago (it is what I had on hand at the time), and wish I had at least another 2" in place now.? I hate digging ditches, but? will be digging another one at some point soon. Howard On 4/9/20 3:25 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > If it wasn't such a pain to work with fiber optical cable would be > better yet, it avoids ground loop problems and other electrical > problems. Also completely immune to lightning. > > I was hoping to do a similar line to my shop in a year (this summer is > booked just solving humidy problems so my tractors don't rust away), > but I'm not sure if the virus will affect my bonus which was supposed > to supply the cash to do this with. > > -- > ? Henry Miller > ? hank at millerfarm.com > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 14:00, Mark Johnson wrote: >> >> Farmer: >> >> As long as your Ethernet cable is < 300 feet you should be fine...get >> the best cable you can buy, though. Cat7 shielded cable will cost >> more but will be much more resistant to electrical noise for a >> lengthy underground run. >> >> I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's >> entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built >> correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through >> the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and >> weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to >> get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of >> the year it won't be a problem anyway! >> >> Best regards, >> Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 >> Columbia, Missouri >> >> >> On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>> Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... >>> Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. >>> "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved >>> from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning >>> while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not >>> harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord >>> hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for >>> booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep >>> some back-up files on it now. >>> The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get >>> "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 >>> years. >>> One kind of amazing thing?about Linux is how much complex software >>> you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells >>> and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. >>> One good info source is: >>> https://distrowatch.com/ >>> >>> OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop >>> machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled >>> closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff >>> up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something >>> quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit >>> for me that will hold a Ethernet?cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line >>> and an air line for the basement wood-shop. >>> A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed >>> control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled >>> water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 9 14:57:39 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:57:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] Back To Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <1509cbce-be7f-7472-89d6-3b67ac92b0ed@moosebird.net> References: <1509cbce-be7f-7472-89d6-3b67ac92b0ed@moosebird.net> Message-ID: <84D1BAC8-33D0-48A0-83BC-B359CFB7E753@rdfarms.com> I use wireless access point in a house window nearest the shop and a wireless router in the shop window closest to the house set up for client bridging. The two are close enough for this to work. Between the shop and the barn which is more than 100 yards, I use a radio link. It?s cheap and easy. The wireless router in barn that is connected to the radio link is again set up as a client bridge I have to have wireless in the barn because the alpacas like to binge watch Animal Planet. (-; Seriously I have cameras all around the barn to keep an eye on the animals and this lets me just bring up a camera on my phone. The radiolink product I use is discontinued, but I think the below is probably what it became. Do your own research before buying: EnGenius Technologies Long Range 11n 5GHz Wireless Bridge/Access Point (ENH500) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M1PM22/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qI5JEbS17B75C I?m done with wires. Everything is wireless. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Howard Fleming wrote: > > ? If your home and shop are on different electrical services, it might be worth the effort to pull fiber to avoid the electrical issues mentioned by Henry. > > I have been looking at monoprice.com for pre made optical cables to run between my house and garage (about 100'). Currently have 2 Cat 5e cables running between the buildings, but I am considering moving my "in house" servers from the basement to the garage to reduce the noise levels. > > You might want to consider running at least 2 conduits when you do it, its not that much more effort. > > I ran 1-2", 2-3/4" and 1-1/2" pvc conduits when I buried mine years ago (it is what I had on hand at the time), and wish I had at least another 2" in place now. I hate digging ditches, but will be digging another one at some point soon. > > Howard > >> On 4/9/20 3:25 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> If it wasn't such a pain to work with fiber optical cable would be better yet, it avoids ground loop problems and other electrical problems. Also completely immune to lightning. >> >> I was hoping to do a similar line to my shop in a year (this summer is booked just solving humidy problems so my tractors don't rust away), but I'm not sure if the virus will affect my bonus which was supposed to supply the cash to do this with. >> >> -- >> Henry Miller >> hank at millerfarm.com >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 14:00, Mark Johnson wrote: >>> Farmer: >>> >>> As long as your Ethernet cable is < 300 feet you should be fine...get the best cable you can buy, though. Cat7 shielded cable will cost more but will be much more resistant to electrical noise for a lengthy underground run. >>> >>> I don't know how well insulated your farm shop might be, but it's entirely possible, if your "temperature controlled closet" is built correctly, that just letting the computer run all the time through the winter will provide enough heat to keep the distilled water and weed chemicals from freezing. Some experimentation might be needed to get insulation/venting balanced well enough for that. 9 months out of the year it won't be a problem anyway! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Mark J, former Hoosier and lifelong Boilermaker...Purdue Ag Class of 1978 >>> Columbia, Missouri >>> >>> >>> On 4/9/2020 1:37 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>>> Another option I have often used in the past is dual booting... Windows / Linux and just keep everything on the hard drive. >>>> "Somewhere" here I have a fair sized laptop hard drive that I saved from a laptop that had part of the motherboard fried by lightning while in my lap (Yes, I did jump about 10') The hard drive was not harmed so I bought a $10 converter case (came with a USB cord hard-wired into it) for it so I could use it. I used to use it for booting Linux like you are doing with a flash-drive. I just keep some back-up files on it now. >>>> The Linux I was using then was Mandriva but I just couldn't get "comfortable" with it... I think now it has been abandoned about 10 years. >>>> One kind of amazing thing about Linux is how much complex software you can run on very simple distributions without all of the bells and whistles. Puppy Linux was a light one I used to play with a lot. >>>> One good info source is: >>>> https://distrowatch.com/ >>>> >>>> OLD TRACTOR NOTE: I'm still trying to pick out one of my old desktop machines to move to the farm shop in a small temperature controlled closet so I can keep tractor info on it and get online to look stuff up. The smart phone screen is just too small for more than something quick. Son Scott is going to run a 2 1/2" plastic commercial conduit for me that will hold a Ethernet cable, a new 1/2" PEX water line and an air line for the basement wood-shop. >>>> A plastic tote in the bottom of that closet will hold some weed control chemicals to avoid freezing and a shelf will keep distilled water for winter use for batteries especially for the golf cart. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Francis Robinson >>>> aka "farmer" >>>> Central Indiana USA >>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of cgs Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 2:30 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. http://forums.linuxmint.com On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to run under Linux. Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) Steve O. _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 06:10:24 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 09:10:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion In-Reply-To: <0b4d01d60f33$b540cd40$1fc267c0$@harnerfarm.net> References: <37aba174-319e-94ba-a943-d287e33af944@gmail.com> <0b4d01d60f33$b540cd40$1fc267c0$@harnerfarm.net> Message-ID: Thanks Stuart! I don't doubt that it probably isn't as hard as it sounds, and I'd certainly learn some things along the way. Yesterday I relegated the whole wireless discussion to the back burner by running a cable from my basement home-office up to the closet on the 2nd floor where the modem/router lives. Not as hard as it sounds; there have been various cables run there in the past, and I used an old defunct satellite TV cable to pull my Ethernet thru. The cable itself was donated by the IT guy at work. In order to regain the full portable aspect of the laptop I'm still going to have to tackle the Wifi adapter at some point, but for now it's main task is a secondary workstation in the home-office to roughly approximate the dual-monitor setup I have come to rely upon at work. Whether I do as you suggest and see about getting the existing Netgear device running, or as farmer and Spencer suggest and purchase a compatible one.... well that will depend on my desire for a learning experience. SO On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:30 AM Stuart Harner wrote: > Steve, > > > > Your Linux distro is probably missing the driver for the wireless > hardware. Linux does not detect hardware as well as Windows even though it > gets better all the time. I suspect the age of your laptop has something to > do with it. > > > > Try booting under Windows and getting all the info for the wireless > adaptor written down. Then search the Interwebs for a Linux driver and > instructions on how to install it. This usually isn?t as hard as it sounds. > > > > Another option is to get a wireless extender and wire the laptop to it. So > your connection would be Wireless router----Wireless Extender-----Laptop > (via cable). > > > > *From:* AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] *On Behalf Of * > cgs > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 2:30 PM > *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [OT] Back to Linux Discussion > > > > Go to the Linux Mint Forum, which has hundreds of guys smarter than me, > register and post the question. They may have a simpler answer. > *http://forums.linuxmint.com * > > On 4/8/20 3:00 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > We were discussing Linux a few weeks ago, and after deciding Mint/Mate > would be a good choice, I had some initial success booting and running off > a thumb drive. Then, I kind of set it aside. > > > > Now, renewed interest as my employer would like to see more work from > home. While I'm on the shop floor a lot, I do have a ton of paperwork as > well. I have my home computer (iMac) remote-connected to my workstation at > work, which is... OK at best. There are several things I find a bit > annoying, and they'd mostly be resolved if I had two machines at home. > > > > Back to that old laptop. The Libre Office package that comes with Linux > is perfect for my needs, but I need to get it talking to my WiFi at home. > I've got a Netgear USB Wifi interface for that laptop (tested, works fine > under Windows) but Linux just ignores it. Google to the rescue. The > solution involves Wine, a compatibility layer that allows Windows stuff to > run under Linux. > > > > Problem - during the Wine install, I got a message that I was out of > memory. The bootable thumb drive is 128GB, so it sure as holy heck isn't > full. I have been hearing that operation off a thumb drive relies heavily > on RAM. This laptop has 4 GB. I was taking the memory error to mean the > thumb drive, but that's clearly wrong. Maybe I need more than 4GB of RAM? > Anybody run into anything like this, any words of wisdom? > > > > (Laptop is a Dell Precision M4400, a workstation-class machine when it was > new in 2008. I used to run Solidworks on it) > > > > Steve O. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 11 20:59:00 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen From szabelski at wildblue.net Sun Apr 12 07:24:42 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Steve, With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder firing: #1 #2. #3 #4 Good luck. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bfallon at whidbey.com Sun Apr 12 07:39:12 2020 From: bfallon at whidbey.com (Bruce Fallon) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:39:12 -0700 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <002c01d610d8$224536b0$66cfa410$@whidbey.com> "A" firing order Bruce Fallon Langley, WA 98260 -----Original Message----- From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:25 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Steve, With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder firing: #1 #2. #3 #4 Good luck. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Sun Apr 12 10:19:45 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Carl, Did you miss the fact that he is working on a JD-A and not an IH?? :-)? On the other hand, all he has to do is bring one cyl on compression and see where the rotor points. The other wire will be easy!?? Hope everyone has the best Ester they can under the circumstances.? Doug T On 4/12/2020 10:24 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Steve, > > With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder firing: > > #1 > > #2. #3 > > #4 > > Good luck. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 11:29:24 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:29:24 -0500 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: It is the same thing except rather than 1-3-4-2 it is either 1-2-miss-miss or 1-miss-miss-2. Bring it up on #1 TDC then look at the rotor. It will either be pointing at or directly away from #1 on the cap. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: Doug Tallman Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:19 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Carl, Did you miss the fact that he is working on a JD-A and not an IH? :-) On the other hand, all he has to do is bring one cyl on compression and see where the rotor points. The other wire will be easy! Hope everyone has the best Ester they can under the circumstances. Doug T On 4/12/2020 10:24 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Steve, > > With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the > engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the > distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter > clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the > engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for > pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of > rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again > based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The > rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder > firing: > > #1 > #2. #3 > > #4 > > Good luck. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. > The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put > it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up > the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of > throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's > the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good > oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the > cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. > obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: > the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, > and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I > know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting > out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket > under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" > shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off > and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A > shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one > is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 > Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the > sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the > ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly > corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and > grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but > only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal > contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 > next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. > Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the > distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember > which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I > know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. > Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to > assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and > the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. > I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no > dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with > a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little > more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is > moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to > clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse > problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am > running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone > through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his > equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I > absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the > guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be > working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Sun Apr 12 13:21:12 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <192738912.2713375.1586701482321.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <960439815.2877217.1586722872804.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Yep, was thinking red, not green!? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Becker To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question It is the same thing except rather than 1-3-4-2 it is either 1-2-miss-miss or 1-miss-miss-2. Bring it up on #1 TDC then look at the rotor. It will either be pointing at or directly away from #1 on the cap. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: Doug Tallman Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:19 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Carl, Did you miss the fact that he is working on a JD-A and not an IH? :-) On the other hand, all he has to do is bring one cyl on compression and see where the rotor points. The other wire will be easy! Hope everyone has the best Ester they can under the circumstances. Doug T On 4/12/2020 10:24 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Steve, > > With respect to the ignition wires. The firing order is cast on the > engine, should be 1,3,4,2 (based on my quick memory of my Cub). Remove the > distributor cap and note which way the rotor turns (should be counter > clockwise (again based on my quick recall of the Cub). Hand crank the > engine until the timing mark indicates TDC on #1 while checking for > pressure on #1cylinder, if no pressure you?re on TDC #4. Note position of > rotor that is #1 cylinder, if you are on #1, should be at the top, (again > based on my Cub). Then the wires should be clockwise #1, #3, #4, #2. The > rotor should turn 270 degrees counter clockwise between each cylinder > firing: > > #1 > #2. #3 > > #4 > > Good luck. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. > The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put > it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up > the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of > throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's > the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good > oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the > cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. > obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: > the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, > and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I > know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting > out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket > under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" > shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off > and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A > shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one > is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 > Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the > sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the > ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly > corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and > grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but > only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal > contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 > next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. > Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the > distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember > which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I > know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. > Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to > assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and > the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. > I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no > dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with > a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little > more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is > moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to > clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse > problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am > running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone > through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his > equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I > absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the > guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be > working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Sun Apr 12 22:30:17 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question In-Reply-To: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1149307541.90099271.1586663940189.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has tow advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for along time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you cant it to move. Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 11:49:30 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:49:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers Message-ID: Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses a double verification system in order for her to log into her work email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From soffiler at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 12:03:51 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's her birthday, so, what does SHE want? She's got 7 years of comfort-level with that Apple device. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Mon Apr 13 12:44:43 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:44:43 +0000 Subject: [AT] [External] Re: OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I'd kind of follow along this line of thinking as well. What will she get the most benefit from. Just like a tool in the shop, it's not a great value if it does't work when you need it to. Is there anyone you can check with that supports the staff to make sure there aren't requirements for the apps she's using? Most likely there is both an Apple iOS app and a corresponding Google Android app. But that app may have other requirements or dependancies. So it wouldn't hurt to find out what those might be. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:03 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT - Tablet computers It's her birthday, so, what does SHE want? She's got 7 years of comfort-level with that Apple device. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M > wrote: Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses a double verification system in order for her to log into her work email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Mon Apr 13 12:46:30 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114085861.3506167.1586807190570.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> If you know some of the people she works with, ask them what they use and if they have any preferences. I would prefer Apple myself. You don?t need the top of the line I-pad (ie: a gazillion megs of RAM, a gazillion pallet colors, etc.). Once you talk to her coworkers, talk to someone at an Apple store if you want to go Apple, or to a TI person at something like Best Buy if you want to go anything else. Also, Apple used to offer discounts for students, don?t know if they still do. So if she?s taking any classes, she may qualify for a discount, I think it was 10-15%. Only trouble is that she would have to be the one buying the laptop and would have to provide her student ID. That would mean that you would have to take her to the store for her birthday and surprise her in the store. Just make up some story for going there maybe a day or two early. What I did for my wife, was I took my daughter, who was in college at the time, and I used her student ID. I told the Apple worker, it was for her school work and I was paying for it. I also bought it in New Hampshire and there?s no tax there. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: Antique tractor email discussion group Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses a double verification system in order for her to log into her work email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From moscowengnr at outlook.com Mon Apr 13 12:57:38 2020 From: moscowengnr at outlook.com (Dennis Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:57:38 +0000 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, I also like the iPad products. I typically go in and buy the close to the best and largest capacity available at the time. Result is I use them several years, and they are still good when it is time to upgrade. Current version I use is iPadAir2, which was released in 2014, and I probably got mine about a year later. I have a ZAGG keyboard/case for mine, so I use it for most of the basic things I do. I go top my Windows based PC when I need to handle files or attachments. Typically when it is time for me to upgrade, I can hand my old iPad down to some relative, and it has enough capacity where they can use it for several more years. Dennis Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From hank at millerfarm.com Mon Apr 13 13:08:42 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:08:42 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are not many choices. Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, at 13:49, Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From hrpletch at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:33:37 2020 From: hrpletch at gmail.com (Howard Pletcher) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:33:37 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having tried to help a couple people adjust to the differences between an iphone and an android when they swapped, I would give the 7 years of experience a lot of weight. I know I wouldn't dare to try to replace my wife's ipad with anything else, no matter what the cost. Howard On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:35:59 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:35:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exactly what I was thinking when I typed my first reply. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:34 PM Howard Pletcher wrote: > Having tried to help a couple people adjust to the differences between an > iphone and an android when they swapped, I would give the 7 years of > experience a lot of weight. I know I wouldn't dare to try to replace my > wife's ipad with anything else, no matter what the cost. > > Howard > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M wrote: > >> Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My >> wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow >> and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up >> so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's >> what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up >> medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses >> a double verification system in order for her to log into her work >> email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I >> can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to >> stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> Mike M >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > Howard > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kgwaugh0943 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:37:41 2020 From: kgwaugh0943 at gmail.com (Kenneth Gene Waugh) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:37:41 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Today the only tablet I have is an Amazon 10", which I got only because I wanted a tablet but did not want to spend a lot of money. I had an Apple iPad at one time (the very first model they made), and use iPhones yet today. I agree with those who say if she really uses it, is happy with it, the Apple might just be the way to go. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:34 PM Henry Miller wrote: > There are not many choices. > > Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings > have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges > depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay > as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is > targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can > work but might be rough edges. > > I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a > laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. > Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will > break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good > brand. > > There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not > ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... > > Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing > else is there. > > -- > Henry Miller > hank at millerfarm.com > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, at 13:49, Mike M wrote: > > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > > appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Mike M > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- Gene Kenneth Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Mon Apr 13 13:40:19 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. To clarify a couple things: Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor. I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose. However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? The gear is on there tight: I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller. I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have. Any suggestions as to type? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done. Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done. The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. Anyway, I'll keep at it! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has tow advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for along time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you cant it to move. Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 13:42:28 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 16:42:28 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they just don't play together well. Mike M On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > There are not many choices. > > Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. > > I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. > > There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... > > Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From toma at risingnet.net Mon Apr 13 14:22:17 2020 From: toma at risingnet.net (toma at risingnet.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:22:17 +0300 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_-_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1586812937.363650449@f10.my.com> I have been a Mac user since'89. Never could stand windows. It really pains me to have to use my wife's laptop to do taxes every year. Now I run smartphones that I get on eBay for about $50. I love the Android system. Compatible with everything and will do everything. Maybe you could get your wife a cheap Android phone to play with to see if you could wean her off the iPad. I just run mine on wifi. I hardly need a computer. I have my mom's iPad here but it sits in a drawer discharged and unused. -- Sent from myMail for Android Monday, 13 April 2020, 01:36PM -07:00 from Stephen Offiler soffiler at gmail.com : >Exactly what I was thinking when I typed my first reply. > >SO > >On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:34 PM Howard Pletcher < hrpletch at gmail.com> wrote: >>Having tried to help a couple people adjust to the differences between an iphone and an android when they swapped, I would give the 7 years of experience a lot of weight.? I know I wouldn't dare to try to replace my wife's ipad with anything else, no matter what the cost.?? >> >>Howard >>On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com> wrote: >>>Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My >>>wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow >>>and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up >>>so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's >>>what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up >>>medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses >>>a double verification system in order for her to log into her work >>>email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I >>>can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to >>>stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. 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URL: From claudekyker at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:33:49 2020 From: claudekyker at gmail.com (Claude Kyker) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:33:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71C56F1F-0E43-49E6-9DB5-4625658BDF62@gmail.com> In my opinion, if she is using an iPad, she will be disappointed with anything else. YMMV Claude Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From claudekyker at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:43:37 2020 From: claudekyker at gmail.com (Claude Kyker) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:43:37 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. Claude Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the > way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they > just don't play together well. > > Mike M > > >> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> There are not many choices. >> >> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >> >> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >> >> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >> >> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Mon Apr 13 15:37:28 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:37:28 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70E359D8-D0FB-49D9-A48E-7B96312424D2@rdfarms.com> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: > > ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. > > Claude > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >> just don't play together well. >> >> Mike M >> >> >>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> There are not many choices. >>> >>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>> >>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>> >>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>> >>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 13 17:40:35 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:40:35 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <70E359D8-D0FB-49D9-A48E-7B96312424D2@rdfarms.com> References: <70E359D8-D0FB-49D9-A48E-7B96312424D2@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.?? Note I said Shouldn't................. Cecil On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. > > Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: >> >> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >> >> Claude >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >>> just don't play together well. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>> There are not many choices. >>>> >>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>>> >>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>>> >>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>>> >>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From chuck.tractor at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 19:33:38 2020 From: chuck.tractor at gmail.com (Chuck Bealke) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:33:38 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> References: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> Message-ID: <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and hotels for most of trip. > On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said Shouldn't................. > Cecil > > >> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >> >> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: >>> >>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>> >>> Claude >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >>>> just don't play together well. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>> >>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>>>> >>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>>>> >>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>>>> >>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 20:44:31 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:44:31 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> References: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <794ec9ce-4928-a4b0-3b26-ebc117e9ddb9@gmx.com> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. Mike M On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and hotels for most of trip. > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >> >> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said Shouldn't................. >> Cecil >> >> >>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>> >>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker wrote: >>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>> >>>> Claude >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is the >>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes they >>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough edges. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and get a good brand. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will see... >>>>>> >>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. Nothing else is there. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jdnut at aol.com Mon Apr 13 21:21:35 2020 From: jdnut at aol.com (jdnut at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 04:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Brake disassembly References: <1674553830.64635.1586838095518.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1674553830.64635.1586838095518@mail.yahoo.com> Hi,I guess I didn't realize you didn't have the gear off. ?The Service manual for the Model B styled tractor, in my opinion the best of all the service manuals.... shows removing the gear by using a punch on the end of the shaft. ?On my recent exploration on some Deere "BO" brakes, I had that the gear came off with a gentle tap, one I took off with a bearing puller, and two, I did like the Deere "B" service manual shows.... assembly in a vice (mine was actually some wood to kinda keep things in place), the nut loose, on enough to keep the punch off the edge of the shaft...and a big punch and big hammer. ?I used a little propane heat, just because that seems to help... and I was able to get the things loose with no damage. ?The end of the shaft that the punch goes on has a depression to keep from damaging the threads. ? Once you get the drum off, the conical head of the adjustment bolt will be in a little well. ?I used a little heat, then as it cooled, I put penetrating oil in the well, .... did that for 3-6 days... and pretty soon if you leave it overnight, you will see that the oil has run out around the bolt. ?The oil in the well was also helpful in freeing up the little adjustment pins. ?Be careful with those pins.... I haven't seen too many places to get them. ? If I get to my barn tomorrow, I may take some pictures of the service manual and my brake assemblies.? Take care, John MaxwellFerndale CA -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2020 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. To clarify a couple things:? Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor.? I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose.? However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck?? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? The gear is on there tight:? I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller.? I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have.? Any suggestions as to type?? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done.? Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done.? The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. Anyway, I'll keep at it! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" ??? Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground.? Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever.? That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes.? Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the? brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster.? All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod.? When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe?? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has tow advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on.? I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for along time.? Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench.? You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out.? So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough.? Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over,? Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you cant it to move.? Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot.? Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there.? I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force.? If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with.? I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease.? It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world? when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly.? So they rust up big time.? On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in.? #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones.? I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked.? Usually it is more heat.? It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment.? Anticipate severe cases of frustration.? Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter.? He turns over, stiffly.? That's the battery, I'm sure.? The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire.? I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks.? The right side sprayed gas out in a stream.? Well.? obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder.? Two things:? the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl.? I know the float is OK because I checked it.? So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it.? #1 Next item on the purchase list:? Needle and seat.? The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too:? I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it.? The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure.? Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made.? #2 Next item on the purchase list:? a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch.? Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded.? When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one.? This may be why.? and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke.? #3 Next item on the purchase list:? new coil wire.? #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it.? Oh, and a battery.? #5. Now, here's my question:? I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK.? They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom.? My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor.? Right or left on top?? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake.? I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight.? I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet.? I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller.? Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more.? I am leaving it under tension overnight.? I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment.? I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . .? I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale.? It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerpolkaman at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 22:25:30 2020 From: tylerpolkaman at gmail.com (Tyler Juranek) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:25:30 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= Message-ID: Hi Mike, Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer and set it up myself. Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. Good Luck, Tyler Juranek IA On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: > Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain > about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > > Mike M > > On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>> Shouldn't................. >>> Cecil >>> >>> >>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>>> >>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>>> >>>>> Claude >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>>>>> the >>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>>>>> they >>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>>>>>> see... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 02:52:20 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:52:20 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <794ec9ce-4928-a4b0-3b26-ebc117e9ddb9@gmx.com> References: <0efe94de-046d-98f9-9751-987289d449ae@copper.net> <26B74DB6-382E-4B2C-A141-1241BF1F8D8B@gmail.com> <794ec9ce-4928-a4b0-3b26-ebc117e9ddb9@gmx.com> Message-ID: Apple has a "Certified Refurbished" program. I'm seeing $80-100 off many of them and $300 off the 12.9" Pro. SO On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:44 PM Mike M wrote: > Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain > about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > > Mike M > > On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > > Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and > pricey but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good > part of her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged > it along on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and hotels for most of trip. > > > >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > wrote: > >> > >> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the > money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her > decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed in > the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > Shouldn't................. > >> Cecil > >> > >> > >>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets > as part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look > into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if you > buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. > >>> > >>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few > months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > wrote: > >>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one > that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have > access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is > available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. > >>>> > >>>> Claude > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is > the > >>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes > they > >>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike M > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there are > rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports it (Samsung > might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the chrome platform > but that is targeted at laptops and low powered desktop and so again as a > tablet it can work but might be rough edges. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again > is a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the > keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks robustness > and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for business class and > get a good brand. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they > are not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will > see... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. > Nothing else is there. > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Tue Apr 14 05:38:39 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:38:39 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c3e0e8d-e6f3-49ef-4bae-5f6aa77db889@basicisp.net> I will second Tyler's recommendation of Newegg. I have bought a lot of computer parts and accessories from them since 2000. Always a good price and excellent service. Phil in TX On 4/14/2020 12:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > Hi Mike, > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > and set it up myself. > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > Good Luck, > Tyler Juranek > IA > > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>> Shouldn't................. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>>>> >>>>>> Claude >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 09:24:25 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:24:25 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. Mike M On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > Hi Mike, > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > and set it up myself. > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > Good Luck, > Tyler Juranek > IA > > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>> Shouldn't................. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>>>>> >>>>>> Claude >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we will >>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 09:44:06 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:44:06 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> Message-ID: I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! SO On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M wrote: > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > > Good Luck, > > Tyler Juranek > > IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and > pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good > part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it > along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up > the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her > >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be > changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on > tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to > look > >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you > have > >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple > is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but > there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer > supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push > the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again > is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they > are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we > will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 12:29:44 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> Message-ID: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I > would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I > needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >? ?Good Luck, > >? ?Tyler Juranek > >? ?IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M > > wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her > complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big > and pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a > good part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > lugged it along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > pony up the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > influence her > >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to > be changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > on tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might > want to look > >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal > where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real > cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just > a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or > get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > when you have > >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel > signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > newer Apple is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and > sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > work, but there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants > to push the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be > rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, > it again is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware > lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > admit they are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > year, we will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Tue Apr 14 13:12:34 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:12:34 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> Message-ID: <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some credit on your wife?s current iPad. Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a work Mac. Good luck! Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M wrote: >>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> > Hi Mike, >>> > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell >>> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be >>> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >>> > and set it up myself. >>> > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of >>> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would >>> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed >>> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was >>> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >>> > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go >>> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> > Good Luck, >>> > Tyler Juranek >>> > IA >>> > >>> > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >>> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >>> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >> >>> >> Mike M >>> >> >>> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and pricey >>> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good part of >>> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it along >>> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship and >>> >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up the >>> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >>> >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be changed >>> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>> >>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>> Cecil >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on tablets as >>> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to look >>> >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where if >>> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >>> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >>> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you have >>> >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >>> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are aware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and sometimes >>> >>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >>> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but there >>> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >>> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >>> >>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >>> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >>> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit they are >>> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 13:22:30 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:22:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: I wasn't going to say this, but Spencer basically just did. With Apple you get what you pay for. I have an iMac at home and I'm on my second iPhone in 10 years. They literally never give me a bit of trouble and that's really saying something over a span of 10 years! (7 on the Mac) SO On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:12 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > > Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not be > worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if you buy > from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some credit on > your wife?s current iPad. > > Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad Air, > etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model should be > plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might want to double > check her current usage tho to be sure. She might also start using the > camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. > > Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any devices > she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an adapter. I > guess that can come after the unwrapping. > > As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time and I > have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple products. Sure, > they are expensive. But they?re really good products and Apple is more > likely than any other vendor to support their customers, back their product > and protect your privacy. Those are important things to me. Full > disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a work Mac. > > Good luck! > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't > use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What > model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for > my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M wrote: > >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> > Good Luck, >> > Tyler Juranek >> > IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big and >> pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a good >> part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even lugged it >> along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on ship >> and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just pony up >> the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to influence her >> >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to be >> changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials on >> tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might want to >> look >> >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal where >> if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good when you >> have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you are >> aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a newer Apple >> is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They work, but >> there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific manufacturer >> supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants to >> push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, it >> again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts admit >> they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this year, we >> will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a tablet >> get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-3591205772617992727_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 13:29:44 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use the Internet. Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > First off: ?great gift idea. ? I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > > ?Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > undercut them by much. ?The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > credit on your wife?s current iPad. > > Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. ? ?Might > want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. ? She might > also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. > > Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > adapter. ? I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > > As an aside: ?I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > important things to me. Full disclosure: ?I have a personal Mac and a > work Mac. > > Good luck! > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> > Hi Mike, >>> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> they sell >>> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> I'd be >>> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> computer >>> > and set it up myself. >>> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> December of >>> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> I would >>> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> I needed >>> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> thing was >>> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> have it. >>> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> ready to go >>> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >? ?Good Luck, >>> >? ?Tyler Juranek >>> >? ?IA >>> > >>> > On 4/13/20, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> her complain >>> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >> >>> >> Mike M >>> >> >>> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> big and pricey >>> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >>> a good part of >>> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> lugged it along >>> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> on ship and >>> >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> pony up the >>> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> influence her >>> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> to be changed >>> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>> Cecil >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> on tablets as >>> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> might want to look >>> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> deal where if >>> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? >>> real cheap. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> just a few >>> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> or get one >>> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> when you have >>> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> signal is >>> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> are aware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> and sometimes >>> >>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> powered >>> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> be rough >>> >>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>> year, we will >>> >>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>> tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>> software. >>> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 13:43:40 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I > would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I > needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >? ?Good Luck, > >? ?Tyler Juranek > >? ?IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M > > wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her > complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big > and pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a > good part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > lugged it along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > pony up the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > influence her > >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to > be changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > on tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might > want to look > >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal > where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real > cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just > a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or > get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > when you have > >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel > signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > newer Apple is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and > sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > work, but there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants > to push the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be > rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, > it again is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware > lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > admit they are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > year, we will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 13:48:33 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <96E8E806-7877-4145-8C07-CB251B4FC84A@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use the Internet. Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > First off: ?great gift idea. ? I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > > ?Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > undercut them by much. ?The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > credit on your wife?s current iPad. > > Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. ? ?Might > want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. ? She might > also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. > > Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > adapter. ? I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > > As an aside: ?I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > important things to me. Full disclosure: ?I have a personal Mac and a > work Mac. > > Good luck! > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> > Hi Mike, >>> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> they sell >>> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> I'd be >>> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> computer >>> > and set it up myself. >>> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> December of >>> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> I would >>> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> I needed >>> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> thing was >>> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> have it. >>> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> ready to go >>> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >? ?Good Luck, >>> >? ?Tyler Juranek >>> >? ?IA >>> > >>> > On 4/13/20, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> her complain >>> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >> >>> >> Mike M >>> >> >>> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> big and pricey >>> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >>> a good part of >>> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> lugged it along >>> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> on ship and >>> >>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> pony up the >>> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> influence her >>> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> to be changed >>> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>> Cecil >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> on tablets as >>> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> might want to look >>> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> deal where if >>> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? >>> real cheap. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> just a few >>> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> or get one >>> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> when you have >>> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> signal is >>> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> are aware. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> and sometimes >>> >>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> powered >>> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> be rough >>> >>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>> year, we will >>> >>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>> tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>> software. >>> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Tue Apr 14 13:49:12 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:49:12 +0000 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A__OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_compute?= =?utf-8?q?rs?= In-Reply-To: <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com>, <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: My guess is that Apple isn't going to give you anything for an iPad that's 7 years old. Or at least not likely enough to make it worth the effort to send back in. My old iPhone 4S worked just fine but there isn't a market for it so no trade value from Apple. After her new one is setup and working as expected you may want to erase the old one and see if it performs any better. You may use it for a simple device for other tasks. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of szabelski at wildblue.net Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:43 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Mike, I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the most bang for my buck? Thanks, Mike M On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > they sell > > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > > Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > I'd be > > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer > > and set it up myself. > > Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > December of > > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I > would > > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > > Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I > needed > > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > thing was > > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. > > Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > ready to go > > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > > Good Luck, > > Tyler Juranek > > IA > > > > On 4/13/20, Mike M > > wrote: > >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her > complain > >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >> > >> Mike M > >> > >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big > and pricey > >>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent a > good part of > >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > lugged it along > >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on > ship and > >>> hotels for most of trip. > >>> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > pony up the > >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > influence her > >>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to > be changed > >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>> Cecil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > on tablets as > >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might > want to look > >>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal > where if > >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or real > cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just > a few > >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or > get one > >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > when you have > >>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > signal is > >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > are aware. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Claude > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > newer Apple is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and > sometimes > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet > >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > work, but there > >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants > to push the > >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > powered > >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be > rough > >>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, > it again is > >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > detach the > >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware > lacks > >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > extra for > >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > admit they are > >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > year, we will > >>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > tablet get. > >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 13:52:47 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:52:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Hi Carl, thanks for checking into that, you are right on the yearly cost since the hospital bought the first one, her yearly costs were very low :). I do have my own I pad but never use it. I used to use it for Facebook, and that was it. Since I dumped Facebook, it just gathers dust. Regards, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. > > If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. > > Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She > doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned > about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the > most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I >> would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I >> needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >? ?Good Luck, >> >? ?Tyler Juranek >> >? ?IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her >> complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big >> and pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a >> good part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> lugged it along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on >> ship and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> pony up the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> influence her >> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to >> be changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> on tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might >> want to look >> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal >> where if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real >> cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just >> a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or >> get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> when you have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> are aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> work, but there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants >> to push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be >> rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, >> it again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware >> lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> admit they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> year, we will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 14:00:01 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <997976272.4351602.1586898001331.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Just noticed that I indicated that the I-pad I priced had 32M. Should actually be 32Gb. Apparently nobody caught that. Also another thing to check on is a company discount, they may offer one to hospitals. When I was working we could get one through the company. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Hi Carl, thanks for checking into that, you are right on the yearly cost since the hospital bought the first one, her yearly costs were very low :). I do have my own I pad but never use it. I used to use it for Facebook, and that was it. Since I dumped Facebook, it just gathers dust. Regards, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. > > If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. > > Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She > doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned > about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the > most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I >> would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I >> needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >? ?Good Luck, >> >? ?Tyler Juranek >> >? ?IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her >> complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big >> and pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a >> good part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> lugged it along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on >> ship and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> pony up the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> influence her >> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to >> be changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> on tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might >> want to look >> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal >> where if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real >> cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just >> a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or >> get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> when you have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> are aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> work, but there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants >> to push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be >> rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, >> it again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware >> lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> admit they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> year, we will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 14 14:05:20 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <997976272.4351602.1586898001331.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <6c0a793f-2d02-fdbd-9d7f-1fd54a838a3b@gmx.com> <9d791106-5eec-9cfa-85e1-94d20a42f18d@gmx.com> <1586729913.4343735.1586897020305.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <997976272.4351602.1586898001331.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1415677308.4356394.1586898320212.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, Just thought of one more thing. You said you have a daughter in college, she should be able to get software packages at student discounts. So if you wife needs something, have your daughter check into it. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: szabelski at wildblue.net To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Just noticed that I indicated that the I-pad I priced had 32M. Should actually be 32Gb. Apparently nobody caught that. Also another thing to check on is a company discount, they may offer one to hospitals. When I was working we could get one through the company. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Hi Carl, thanks for checking into that, you are right on the yearly cost since the hospital bought the first one, her yearly costs were very low :). I do have my own I pad but never use it. I used to use it for Facebook, and that was it. Since I dumped Facebook, it just gathers dust. Regards, Mike M On 4/14/2020 4:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I took a quick look at Apple.com and priced out a basic I-pad with 32M and Wi-Fi and it was Under $400. There was also a tab for getting a trade-in discount. You?ll need her serial number to get the trade-in value, it indicated up to $480, but I?m sure you wouldn?t get the $480 on a seven year old I-pad unless she has it loaded. > > If you consider how long she?s had her current I-pad, your yearly cost has probably not been that much. You?ll probably get a decent yearly cost return if she keeps the new one for the same amount of time. > > Have you considered keeping her old I-pad for yourself? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always found > that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last years latest > and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest model. She > doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not concerned > about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and will give me the > most bang for my buck? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > > wrote: >> >> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> > Hi Mike, >> >? ?Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> they sell >> > Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >? ?Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> > assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> I'd be >> > nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a computer >> > and set it up myself. >> >? ?Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> December of >> > 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought I >> would >> > just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >? ?Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. I >> needed >> > something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> > internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> > business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> thing was >> > going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> > computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> > Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they have it. >> >? ?Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> ready to go >> > for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >? ?Good Luck, >> >? ?Tyler Juranek >> >? ?IA >> > >> > On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> wrote: >> >> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear her >> complain >> >> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >> >> >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too big >> and pricey >> >>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent a >> good part of >> >>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> lugged it along >> >>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi on >> ship and >> >>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> pony up the >> >>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> influence her >> >>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has to >> be changed >> >>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I said >> >>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>> Cecil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> on tablets as >> >>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You might >> want to look >> >>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a deal >> where if >> >>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or? real >> cheap. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out just >> a few >> >>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? or >> get one >> >>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> when you have >> >>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> signal is >> >>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> are aware. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based and >> sometimes >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the tablet >> >>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> work, but there >> >>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google wants >> to push the >> >>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> powered >> >>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might be >> rough >> >>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface line, >> it again is >> >>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> detach the >> >>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the hardware >> lacks >> >>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> extra for >> >>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> admit they are >> >>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> year, we will >> >>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Tue Apr 14 14:38:30 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:38:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 14:46:30 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:46:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>> year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>> tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>> antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>> software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> > >>> > >>> < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon > > > >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com > >>> < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link > > > >>> > >>> > >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 19:39:39 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something? https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 Thank-you, Mike M On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much > as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel > well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes > home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my > iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs > Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate > screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux > Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in > 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I > was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it > for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is > slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me > ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The > older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the > layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops > that the group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the > latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting > all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t > have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our > internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do > offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. > I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with > Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though > superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better > product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the > fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see > an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and > had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy > crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I > wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their > partners can?t > >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg > may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In > addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least > get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera > has gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good > products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac > and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute > latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that > I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the > Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>>? ? Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>>? ? they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>>? ? I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>>? ? computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>>? ? December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>>? ? I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>>? ? I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I > host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books > for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>>? ? thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would > check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>>? ? have it. > >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>>? ? ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>>? ? Good Luck, > >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek > >>>>>? ? IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>>? ? her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they > spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>>? ? big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent > >>>>? ? a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>>? ? lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>>? ? on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>>? ? > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>>? ? pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>>? ? influence her > >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>>? ? to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I > said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>>? ? on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>>? ? might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>>? ? deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>>? ? real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>>? ? just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>? ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>>? ? or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>>? ? when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>>? ? signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>>? ? are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>>? ? newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>>? ? and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>>? ? tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>>? ? work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>>? ? manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>>? ? wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>>? ? powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>>? ? be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>>? ? line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>>? ? detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>>? ? hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>>? ? extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>>? ? admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>>? ? year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>>? ? tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>>? ? antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>>? ? software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? -- > >>>>? ? 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URL: From swilliams268 at frontier.com Tue Apr 14 21:29:55 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 00:29:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E968DC3.6080407@frontier.com> Mike M wrote: > Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My > wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow > and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up > so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's > what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up > medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses > a double verification system in order for her to log into her work > email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that. I > can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to > stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike M > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com Being a medical related outfit they are likely running EPIC for the access and such. It will connect to both Windows and Mac browsers but requires extra work on the Mac. Personally I'd opt for one of the convertible windows machines that can be used as a laptop or a tablet. That allows the use of easily compatible programs as most businesses run windows machines so getting answers about problems is easier as well. -- Steve W. From meulenms at gmx.com Tue Apr 14 21:44:05 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 00:44:05 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: <5E968DC3.6080407@frontier.com> References: <5E968DC3.6080407@frontier.com> Message-ID: <9686901c-f56f-f007-2b8f-dfe125a9b6fb@gmx.com> Yes, they do run EPIC. On 4/15/2020 12:29 AM, Steve W. wrote: > Mike M wrote: >> Seems like a slow day, so I thought I'd ask about tablet computers. My >> wife has an I-pad that is about 7 years old or so, it is extremely slow >> and freezes often, leaving her frustrated. She has a birthday coming up >> so I thought I'd buy her a new tablet. I'm a little overwhelmed. Here's >> what she needs it for: general web surfing, Facebook, and looking up >> medical cases for the next day. She's in the OR, and the University uses >> a double verification system in order for her to log into her work >> email, and patient charts, so it would need the ability to do that.? I >> can try to find the name of the program if necessary. I would prefer to >> stay away from Apple, simply due to the cost. Any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> Mike M >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > Being a medical related outfit they are likely running EPIC for the > access and such. It will connect to both Windows and Mac browsers but > requires extra work on the Mac. > Personally I'd opt for one of the convertible windows machines that > can be used as a laptop or a tablet. That allows the use of easily > compatible programs as most businesses run windows machines so getting > answers about problems is easier as well. > From deanvp at att.net Tue Apr 14 23:18:57 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 23:18:57 -0700 Subject: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <004701d612ed$c01ddce0$405996a0$@att.net> Steve, Yes, what is necessary is to remove stuff around the brake components so you can get to the parts that are stuck. The brake drum should slide off of the brake pads so that you get the drum and big shaft off. Can you get the brake linings to move in and out when you move the brake pedal back and forth. If so then you want to have the brake pedal in the position where it puts no pressure on the brake drums. Then the drum should slide off fairly easy. But most often the brake linings are also interfering with the drum because the adjustment mechanism is rusted tight. So you need to get the drum off with the shaft out by doing what you need to do to free the linings from the drum. You can't get to what is rusted stuck until you get the drum off. Kind of a catch 22. Can you get anything between the linings and drum to break them loose? I hate to tell you this but sometimes they are so stuck to the drum that the linings become disposable. Somehow you need to be able to get the linings loose enough so the shaft and drum will slip out. Getting the pinion gear off the big shaft can be a bear at times. If the lining is stuck to the drum everything works against you. My first way to get the gear loose is to loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the shaft. Then I take a BFH with a plate protecting the end of the shaft and give it the biggest whack I can muster, Maybe more than one if necessary. If that doesn't work them you will have to use a puller. There is a video on the web that shows a good type of puller to use. You may have one or you may need to rent one or fabricate something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OATNWzjs15g Just remember to get everything apart from the brake assembly before you try to loosen rusted tight parts. First remove the brake shoes. Be careful to not bend the edges of the slots at the ends of the pins. The adjusting pin on the end of the brake pedal shaft needs to be removed and loosened up. The adjusting pins that are moved by the adjusting bolt need to be loosened and removed. Then and only then can you try to remove the adjuster bolt. Yes I am saying that after heating up the casting all the way around the adjuster bolt hit the square end of the adjuster bolt with another one of those big whacks as hard as you can muster. What you are trying to do is break the rust bond on the threads. Once you think you have done that, heat the casting all around the adjusting bolt again and then try to turn it. If you get the casting hot enough you will be able to turn it. Once you get it to move you are on the road to home. Once you get the drum off of the brake linings I think you will get an immediate idea of how the brake works and the parts that need to be loosened up and then removed. Believe it or not the adjusting bolt will probably be the last item. In my previous comments I never thought that you might not yet have the drum and big shaft out. All of my suggestions were worthless until that happens. The world doesn't come to an end if you have to ruin the linings to get the drum off. Just more work and expense. I have found that taking a lighter hammer and tapping all around the drum will sometimes break the rust bond between the drum and the linings. If everything was rusted tight when the brake pedal was depressed and locked you could have a challenge getting them apart. The problem is you have to get them loose enough from the drum to get the shaft out and even possibly enough play to get the big nut loose. If pulling the brake pedal all the way back doesn't loosen them up the internal adjusting pins are also rusted. I would expect that. Beat on the drum and make music while trying to break the linings loose from the drum. Hope this helps. BTW, the next one will be a lot easier! ? Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:40 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. To clarify a couple things: Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor. I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose. However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? The gear is on there tight: I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller. I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have. Any suggestions as to type? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done. Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done. The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. Anyway, I'll keep at it! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has two advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for a long time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then of the adjuster shaft to see if you can get it it to move. Then go back and go through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 04:33:52 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:33:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Short answer, cellular capability and memory. SO On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:39 PM Mike M wrote: > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and > Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the >> group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >> any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >> gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Wed Apr 15 05:22:47 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:22:47 -0500 Subject: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <004701d612ed$c01ddce0$405996a0$@att.net> References: <1039631405.91503052.1586810419193.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <004701d612ed$c01ddce0$405996a0$@att.net> Message-ID: <1557c9fb-93d0-182e-af54-a4ca00c2bc63@copper.net> I would like to add something to Dean's very good advice.? I use an air hammer with a blank bit, or one with a big flat head on it to vibrate rust loose on corroded items.? The vibration of an air hammer will move things that a sledge won't.??? This is what I use for everything from loosening brake drums to driving A-frame bushings to sickle rivets: https://www.yardstore.com/riveting/pneumatic-tools/rivet-guns/new/acat-9x-rivet-gun It does require a bushing from the standard .401 shank to the .498.? This company also has some very powerful .401 shank hammers.? An industrial riveter hits harder than an air hammer. If you want to stay with the .401 shank, then get the highest number X with a .401 shank. Cecil On 4/15/2020 1:18 AM, deanvp at att.net wrote: > Steve, > > Yes, what is necessary is to remove stuff around the brake components so you can get to the parts that are stuck. The brake drum should slide off of the brake pads so that you get the drum and big shaft off. Can you get the brake linings to move in and out when you move the brake pedal back and forth. If so then you want to have the brake pedal in the position where it puts no pressure on the brake drums. Then the drum should slide off fairly easy. But most often the brake linings are also interfering with the drum because the adjustment mechanism is rusted tight. So you need to get the drum off with the shaft out by doing what you need to do to free the linings from the drum. You can't get to what is rusted stuck until you get the drum off. Kind of a catch 22. Can you get anything between the linings and drum to break them loose? I hate to tell you this but sometimes they are so stuck to the drum that the linings become disposable. Somehow you need to be able to get the linings loose enough so the shaft and drum will slip out. Getting the pinion gear off the big shaft can be a bear at times. If the lining is stuck to the drum everything works against you. My first way to get the gear loose is to loosen the nut until it is flush with the end of the shaft. Then I take a BFH with a plate protecting the end of the shaft and give it the biggest whack I can muster, Maybe more than one if necessary. If that doesn't work them you will have to use a puller. There is a video on the web that shows a good type of puller to use. You may have one or you may need to rent one or fabricate something. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OATNWzjs15g > > Just remember to get everything apart from the brake assembly before you try to loosen rusted tight parts. First remove the brake shoes. Be careful to not bend the edges of the slots at the ends of the pins. The adjusting pin on the end of the brake pedal shaft needs to be removed and loosened up. The adjusting pins that are moved by the adjusting bolt need to be loosened and removed. Then and only then can you try to remove the adjuster bolt. Yes I am saying that after heating up the casting all the way around the adjuster bolt hit the square end of the adjuster bolt with another one of those big whacks as hard as you can muster. What you are trying to do is break the rust bond on the threads. Once you think you have done that, heat the casting all around the adjusting bolt again and then try to turn it. If you get the casting hot enough you will be able to turn it. Once you get it to move you are on the road to home. > > Once you get the drum off of the brake linings I think you will get an immediate idea of how the brake works and the parts that need to be loosened up and then removed. Believe it or not the adjusting bolt will probably be the last item. > > In my previous comments I never thought that you might not yet have the drum and big shaft out. All of my suggestions were worthless until that happens. The world doesn't come to an end if you have to ruin the linings to get the drum off. Just more work and expense. I have found that taking a lighter hammer and tapping all around the drum will sometimes break the rust bond between the drum and the linings. If everything was rusted tight when the brake pedal was depressed and locked you could have a challenge getting them apart. The problem is you have to get them loose enough from the drum to get the shaft out and even possibly enough play to get the big nut loose. If pulling the brake pedal all the way back doesn't loosen them up the internal adjusting pins are also rusted. I would expect that. Beat on the drum and make music while trying to break the linings loose from the drum. > > Hope this helps. > > BTW, the next one will be a lot easier! ? > > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:40 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 13 > > Thanks heaps for the info, Dean; I really appreciate it. > > To clarify a couple things: > Yes, I have the assembly off the tractor. I have the pedal off its shaft, and the pedal shaft is loose. However, the brakes are still stuck tight, and I still haven't got the gear on the big shaft off. > Will I be able to remove the shaft and drum once I get the gear off even with the adjuster stuck? With everything but the pedal shaft stuck tight still, I am not sure how I will get the main shaft/drum separated from the casting. > > You are saying (I think) that hitting the adjuster on the end will actually cause it to turn some when it starts breaking free? > > The gear is on there tight: I am concerned about braking teeth as I use the gear puller. I obviously need to get a better quality one than the one I have. Any suggestions as to type? That's a thick gear on a heavy shaft! > > And yes, you give good advice that I should just suspect everything needs to be done. Thing is, it is obvious somethings *have* been done. The new idle and high speed in the carb are some examples. > > Anyway, I'll keep at it! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message -----Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:30:17 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > Message-ID: <003b01d61154$9e97ec90$dbc7c5b0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The wiring on a distributor is the same as a Wico C Magneto. Top goes to #1 cylinder on the flywheel side. Bottom wire to plug on pulley side. > > Using jumper cables to start JD's is an exercise in futility. Put a good battery in and make sure you have good short heavy cables and connections. > All JD Two Cylinder tractors are Positive ground. Too much power is lost in the cables and connections when using jumper cables which typically are not a big enough gauge to begin with. > > I think with what you are finding I think it would be wise to just assume everything is bad and assume nothing has been fixed recently or ever. That will keep you from making incorrect assumptions that components should be working. > > Now to the brakes. Do you have the brake ASSEMBLY OFF OF THE TRACOTR? > Secondly do you have the brake shoes off and all the associated parts, especially those that contact the adjuster. All components that contact the adjuster cone need to be removed before attempting to remove the adjuster rod. When rotating the brake shaft do the pins slide back and forth that > apply pressure to the brake shoe? In my experience ever single component > of the whole brake assembly needs to be individually removed and cleaned up. > But you are at least one step ahead in that the brake shaft turns that is a big step forward. Removing the brake assembly from the tractor has two advantages. !,) there is less cast iron to heat up and 2.) It is easier to work on. I've never been able to get the adjuster to turn just using the square end of the shaft without first hitting the square end with a BF hammer while the brake casting is really hot for a long time. Then once I can see some movement from hitting the end of the adjusting shaft the I start trying to turn the shaft. The square end is the same size as the shaft so even with a pipe wrench the moment arm isn't very good on the shaft even with a big pipe wrench. You might try to protect the square end of the shaft with a socket but even if the end get bunged up ii is easy to clean up once you get it out. > > So ok, you have the brake casting in the vice, remember now you have added more metal mass to the brake assembly so it will take a lot of heat to get hot enough. Heat the casting all around where the adjusting shaft goes through the casting. Heat some more further out, then around the shaft again, over and over, Then as rapidly as you can use the big hammer on then > of the adjuster shaft to see if you can get it it to move. Then go back and go > through the whole heating process Again and repeat the big hammer routine. > The only time you will be able to move the shaft is when it is hot. Once you get movement just keep working the shaft trying to get penetrating oil > in there. I've never had good luck with melted wax but some swear by it. > Just simply heating and reheating multiple times will break the rust bond > and eventually it will come loose. It sometimes takes real brute force. If > you fail put it aside and try again another time. I have never failed but some are worse than others. > > The strange part will be when you do get everything apart and cleaned up all the parts will be so lose you will wonder why they were stuck so tight > to begin with. I have started using anti-seize grease on the shafts that > go through the castings. It just seems to stick to stuff better than normal grease. It sticks to anything it comes in contact with including you. > What happens are the shafts and associated openings are vents to the outside world and they tend to draw moisture from the outside world when the tractor heats up and cools AND of course if the tractor is left outside in the elements they are the path for moisture to get inside the brake > assembly. So they rust up big time. On newer two cylinder tractors JD put > "O" rings around those shafts to block some of that potential for moisture > getting in. #1 rule is don't leave the tractor outside in the weather. > > Just remember you may have to be the meanest, baddest mechanic in the area to break things loose. I have never broken a casting and I have run into a > few really bad ones. I tend to do several brake assemblies at a time > because then I remember exactly what has worked and not worked. Usually it > is more heat. It will not be fun until you get them loose then you will > feel a real sense of accomplishment. Anticipate severe cases of frustration. Good Luck. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:59 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [AT] JD A Update; Quick Question > > Fellows, here's an update on the A and a question. > > My son and I spent much of the afternoon of Easter Vigil working on the A. > The battery is just about one step on a scale of 100 above dead, but I put it in, and we made an attempt to start. > > I put some gas in and opened up the valve on the sediment bowl, hooked up the jumper cables to my pickup, turned on the key, gave him a bit of throttle and choke, and hit the starter. He turns over, stiffly. That's the battery, I'm sure. The starter sounds fine, just isn't getting good oompf. > > No fire. I decided to reduce to load on the starter and opened the cylinder cocks. The right side sprayed gas out in a stream. Well. obviously, the gas is running straight into the cylinder. Two things: the valve on the sediment bowl was leaking gas in even when it was closed, and the needle-and-seat were not stopping the gas in the carb bowl. I know the float is OK because I checked it. So I pulled the seat fitting out, and, sure enough, the needle has a groove around it and no gasket under it. #1 Next item on the purchase list: Needle and seat. The "new" shut-off valve needs to be replaced, too: I can only get it to shut off and not drip by really cranking down on it. The ancient one on my other A shuts off reliably with just a little pressure. Of, course, the new one is metric in its outer dimensions, so I can guess where it was made. #2 Next item on the purchase list: a higher quality shut-off valve for the sediment bowl. > > Meanwhile, I had my son clean up the connections on the coil and the ignition switch. Pulled the coil wire off the coil, and the end was badly corroded. When we tested for spark by pulling the right plug and grounding it against a cleaned spot on the frame, we got one spark but only one. This may be why. and when he tried to clean it, the metal contact broke. #3 Next item on the purchase list: new coil wire. #4 next item, then I will probably get a new set of points while I am at it. Oh, and a battery. #5. > > Now, here's my question: I told my son to pull the plug wires of the distributor to see if their ends were OK. They are, but he can't remember which one was on top and which the bottom. My other A has a mag, so I know which ones go where on it, but I don't know about the distributor. Right or left on top? Good lesson for him--and a reminder to me not to assume he knows more than he does. > > Anyway, we also spent a long time on the brake. I got the pedal off, and the pedal shaft seems to be free, but the adjuster is still stuck tight. I got that iron nice and orange (got a rental bottle of acetylene) but no dice yet. I pulled the nut off the shaft and am working on the gear with a puller. Crank down, whack the puller with a hammer, crank a little more. I am leaving it under tension overnight. I am not sure that it is moving, but I keep at it. > > I was hoping not to have to do the electrolysis because I will have to clean up the machined surfaces very good very quickly to prevent a worse problem, and I want to get the gear off first, if possible, but I am running out of options. > > I was told when I bought this tractor that it ran recently and was gone through by a feller that does quality work and really takes care of his equipment. I begin to suspect that the story is embellished. . . . I absolutely prefer JDs, but I almost wish I'd spent the money on the 8N the guy in town has for sale. It runs. > > Well, it's good experience for my son even if it frustrates me not to be working WITH it yet but still working ON it. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 15 06:47:55 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <452621615.4791135.1586958475926.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, The main differences in prices are the amount of Gb and whether you?re getting wi-if or wi-for plus cellular. Unit color doesn?t make a difference. You can select any of the choices and see a complete list of what?s included. The I-pad I priced at Apple.com yesterday, 32Gb and wi-if only, was $329. The same I-pad at the U of M website is $299, so about 10% student discount. I also noticed that they also have a trade-in offer, but I don?t think there be any major difference from what you would get directly from Apple, it?s probably the same offer from Apple. I?m sure that they're basically an Apple authorized dealer that deals directly with the U of M students, and are located on campus in the school bookstore. Now the question is, if you take advantage of the trade in, do you have to surrender you wife?s I-pad when you pick up the new one, or are you given a week or so to bring it in? Could make getting the new I-pad ahead of her birthday a little difficult. Of course you daughter would have to make the purchase since they more than likely would tell you that they can only deal with students. Maybe you could call them and tell it?s for you daughter?s birthday, then you and her could go together to get it. Carl ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something? https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 Thank-you, Mike M On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much > as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel > well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes > home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my > iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs > Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate > screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux > Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in > 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I > was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it > for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is > slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me > ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The > older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the > layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops > that the group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the > latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting > all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t > have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our > internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do > offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. > I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with > Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though > superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better > product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the > fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see > an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and > had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy > crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I > wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their > partners can?t > >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg > may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In > addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least > get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera > has gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good > products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac > and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute > latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that > I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the > Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>>? ? Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>>? ? they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>>? ? I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>>? ? computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>>? ? December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>>? ? I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>>? ? I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I > host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books > for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>>? ? thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would > check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>>? ? have it. > >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>>? ? ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>>? ? Good Luck, > >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek > >>>>>? ? IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>>? ? her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they > spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>>? ? big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent > >>>>? ? a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>>? ? lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>>? ? on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>>? ? > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>>? ? pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>>? ? influence her > >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>>? ? to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I > said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>>? ? on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>>? ? might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>>? ? deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>>? ? real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>>? ? just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>? ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>>? ? or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>>? ? when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>>? ? signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>>? ? are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>>? ? newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>>? ? and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>>? ? tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>>? ? work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>>? ? manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>>? ? wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>>? ? powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>>? ? be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>>? ? line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>>? ? detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>>? ? hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>>? ? extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>>? ? admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>>? ? year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>>? ? tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>>? ? antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>>? ? software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? -- > >>>>? ? 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I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something? https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 Thank-you, Mike M On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much > as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel > well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes > home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my > iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs > Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate > screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux > Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in > 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I > was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it > for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is > slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me > ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The > older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the > layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops > that the group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the > latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting > all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t > have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our > internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do > offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. > I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with > Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though > superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better > product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the > fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see > an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and > had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy > crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I > wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their > partners can?t > >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg > may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In > addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least > get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera > has gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good > products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac > and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute > latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that > I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the > Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>>? ? Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>>? ? they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>>? ? I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>>? ? computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>>? ? December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>>? ? I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>>? ? I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I > host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books > for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>>? ? thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would > check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>>? ? have it. > >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>>? ? ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>>? ? Good Luck, > >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek > >>>>>? ? IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>>? ? her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they > spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>>? ? big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent > >>>>? ? a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>>? ? lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>>? ? on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>>? ? > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>>? ? pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>>? ? influence her > >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>>? ? to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I > said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>>? ? on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>>? ? might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>>? ? deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>>? ? real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>>? ? just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>>? ? > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>>? ? or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>>? ? when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>>? ? signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>>? ? are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>>? ? >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>>? ? newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>>? ? and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>>? ? tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>>? ? work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>>? ? manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>>? ? wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>>? ? powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>>? ? be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>>? ? line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>>? ? detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>>? ? hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>>? ? extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>>? ? admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>>? ? year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>>? ? tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>>? ? antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>>? ? software. > >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>>? ? > > >>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>? ? -- > >>>>? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>? ? AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> AT mailing list > >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>>? ? Virus-free. www.avast.com > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> AT mailing list > >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Wed Apr 15 07:51:30 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. Mike M On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset > and Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >> was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >> offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >> I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >> Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >> product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >> fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >> an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >> had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >> crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >> may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >> get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >> has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >> products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >> and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >> latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >> I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >> host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >> for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >> check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >> spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >> said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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I Believe you said that you have an old I-pad that you don?t really use. You may want to consider trading that one in and then keeping your wife?s I-pad for yourself if it?s newer than yours. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. Mike M On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset > and Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >> was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >> offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >> I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >> Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >> product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >> fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >> an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >> had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >> crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >> may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >> get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >> has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >> products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >> and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >> latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >> I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >> host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >> for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >> check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >> spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >> said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From hrududu at sopris.net Wed Apr 15 08:41:43 2020 From: hrududu at sopris.net (Hrududu@sopris.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:41:43 -0600 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <269CE896-AE68-4B81-8B4F-C2D88CA88C2A@sopris.net> Buying through Apple, I believe the ?trade in? is not a reduction in price but rather an Apple gift card to be used with them. > On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:27 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > Has another thought regrading the trade in. I Believe you said that you have an old I-pad that you don?t really use. > You may want to consider trading that one in and then keeping your wife?s I-pad for yourself if it?s newer than yours. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. > > Mike M > > >> On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Mike, >> >> Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. >> >> Carl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike M >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild >> differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset >> and Co-processor, am I missing something? >> >> https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 >> >> Thank-you, >> Mike M >> >> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much >>> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >>> well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >>> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my >>> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux >>> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >>> 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >>> was productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it >>> for my daighter From meulenms at gmx.com Wed Apr 15 08:49:56 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:49:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> <2037166417.4864313.1586964450344.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <6f67168d-13a4-571e-f9de-8865dd4bdae5@gmx.com> I think mine is actually a little newer, so I'll check to see what the trade is in on that. Mike M On 4/15/2020 11:27 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Has another thought regrading the trade in. I Believe you said that you have an old I-pad that you don?t really use. > You may want to consider trading that one in and then keeping your wife?s I-pad for yourself if it?s newer than yours. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. > > Mike M > > > On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Mike, >> >> Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. >> >> Carl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike M >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild >> differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset >> and Co-processor, am I missing something? >> >> https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 >> >> Thank-you, >> Mike M >> >> >> >> On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >>> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >>> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >>> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >>> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >>> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >>> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >>> was productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >>> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >>> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >>> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >>> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >>> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >>> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >>> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >>> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >>> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >>> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >>> offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >>> I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >>> Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >>> superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >>> product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >>> fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >>> an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >>> had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >>> crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >>> wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >>> partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >>> may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >>> addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >>> get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >>> has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >>> products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >>> and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >>> latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >>> I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> >>> >>>> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >>> Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >>> host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >>> for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >>> check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >>> spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >>> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >>> said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>> >>>>? ? year, we will >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>> >>>>? ? tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>> >>>>? ? software. >>> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> > >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? -- >>> >>>>? ? 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Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AT mailing list >>> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> AT mailing list >>> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > AT mailing list >>> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 15 13:13:43 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> References: <185678662.4345758.1586897313388.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <897625383.4794137.1586958809049.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <694a31da-8e34-94f3-79c9-c4f0eed70223@gmx.com> Message-ID: <502474938.5109100.1586981623335.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, I checked to see what my I-pad would be worth in trade in: Apple.com - $50 U of M. - $45 I have an I-pad Air, which is one of the higher level I-pads. Also noticed that the trade in through U of M had a list to scroll through and apparently only takes certain I-pads and I-phones. Apple didn?t show a list, they just asked for the serial number of my I-pad. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers Thanks again guys, this has been very informative. Mike M On 4/15/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > Should have also mentioned that they also show the I-pad Air and I-pad Pro, which are the higher priced items. I was only talking about the basic I-pad since that?s what I believe you ?re interested in. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the wild > differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same Chipset > and Co-processor, am I missing something? > > https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4 > > Thank-you, > Mike M > > > > On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as much >> as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel >> well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes >> home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At home my >> iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting a separate >> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux >> Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I >> was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought it >> for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older one is >> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me >> ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. The >> older one is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the >> layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops >> that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the >> latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting >> all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t >> have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our >> internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do >> offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. >> I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with >> Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better >> product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the >> fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see >> an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and >> had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy >> crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at Newegg >> may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least >> get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera >> has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good >> products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a personal Mac >> and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute >> latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that >> I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I >> host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books >> for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would >> check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they >> spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? ?Note I >> said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. See, I told you a long time ago that you would like Linux. :-) :-) . -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 17:05:10 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:05:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] O.T. - Tablet computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will acknowledge that 100% farmer! You are definitely one of, if not THE, primary people who put the bug in my ear! SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:02 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > Snip > I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of > the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. > I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > See, I told you a long time ago that you would like Linux. :-) :-) > > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Wed Apr 15 17:10:56 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:10:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>> year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>> antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>> software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 03:52:49 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 06:52:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the >> group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >> any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >> gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >> >>>> year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >> >>>> tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>> antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>> software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> AT mailing list >> >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon >> > >> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >>> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link >> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> AT mailing list >> >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > AT mailing list >> > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 04:59:10 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:59:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at > Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something > like that during initial?startup in order to point to the thumb rather > than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually > learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS > into RAM.? You can do what looks like work straight from there, but > anything you do is lost on power-down.? I eventually decided to > install and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has been wonky in > the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even > recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at > all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will > be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and > dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > > wrote: >> >> ? >> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from home as >> much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they >> don't travel well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work flow so all >> the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be >> on the floor.? At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns >> workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management >> software.? It left me wanting a separate screen for email, >> spreadsheets, word processing.? I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate >> Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it >> works like a?charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >> productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We bought >> it for my daighter gor college and a new work one.? The older >> one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer >> programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? the new one >> runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky.? That >> started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running >> windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older >> laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have >> the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and >> getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, >> and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have >> to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any >> cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M > >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if >> they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can >> use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college >> with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though >> superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most >> software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a >> better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason >> my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad >> blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to >> the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and >> rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day >> and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. >> Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I >> wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their >> partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save at >> Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In >> addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At >> least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad >> Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 >> GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the >> camera.? ? Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure.? >> ?She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the >> camera has gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she >> has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on >> getting an >> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living for a >> long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really >> good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support >> their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. >> Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal >> Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I >> have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I >> buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the >> absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature >> that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing >> speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want >> an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the >> Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't >> know if >> >>>>? ? they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my >> buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I >> thought >> >>>>? ? I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>>? ? computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>>? ? December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I >> thought >> >>>>? ? I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was >> in order. >> >>>>? ? I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but >> I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the >> books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>>? ? thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the >> same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I >> would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>>? ? have it. >> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 >> out and >> >>>>? ? ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to >> do so. >> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >> >>>>>? ? IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>>? ? her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a >> love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are >> they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought >> it too >> >>>>? ? big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since she has >> spent >> >>>>? ? a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. >> Even >> >>>>? ? lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and >> had WiFi >> >>>>? ? on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August >> is just >> >>>>? ? pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>>? ? influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is obsolete >> or has >> >>>>? ? to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault.? >> ?Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have >> specials >> >>>>? ? on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>>? ? might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>>? ? deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>>? ? real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>>? ? just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>>? ? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI >> only ? >> >>>>? ? or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only >> is good >> >>>>? ? when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used >> anywhere cel >> >>>>? ? signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making >> sure you >> >>>>? ? are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> >> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>>? ? and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and >> so the >> >>>>? ? tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>>? ? work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>>? ? wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops >> and low >> >>>>? ? powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but >> might >> >>>>? ? be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>>? ? line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet >> when you >> >>>>? ? detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it >> wrong. Pay >> >>>>? ? extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the >> enthusiasts >> >>>>? ? admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually >> change this >> >>>>? ? year, we will >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people >> with a >> >>>>? ? tablet get. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> >>>>? ? software. >> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> >>>>? ? > > >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> AT mailing list >> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> > > >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>? ? -- >> >>>>? ? 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 06:10:59 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:10:59 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as >> possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) >> I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me >> and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the >> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >> management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, >> spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on >> a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. >> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> wrote: >> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >>> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >>> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >>> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >>> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that >>> the group has me convinced I should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >>> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >>> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >>> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >>> any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, >>> would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I >>> can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if >>> I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >>> gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >>> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg >>> site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>> >>>> they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>> >>>> I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>> >>>> computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>> >>>> December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>> >>>> I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>> >>>> I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>> >>>> thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>> >>>> have it. >>> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>> ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>> >>>>> Good Luck, >>> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>> IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>> >>>> her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>> >>>> big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>> >>>> a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>> >>>> lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>> on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>> >>>> pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>> >>>> influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>> >>>> to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>> >>>> on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>> >>>> might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>> >>>> deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>> >>>> real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>> >>>> just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>> or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>> >>>> when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>> >>>> signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>> >>>> are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>> >>>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>> >>>> and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>> >>>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>> >>>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>> >>>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>> >>>> powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>> >>>> be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>> >>>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>> >>>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>> >>>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>> >>>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Thu Apr 16 06:40:14 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:40:14 +0000 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A__OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_compute?= =?utf-8?q?rs?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com>, Message-ID: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 07:56:16 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:56:16 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computers?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <337194b8-9edc-365d-d220-76b67f438767@gmail.com> You can buy a 120 GB SSD for about $25, a very good investment. On 4/16/20 9:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie.? You're another strong member > of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to > work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach.? > 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data > storage is on the work?servers.? I don't store a lot of data in any > event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB > free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking >> at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or >> something like that during initial?startup in order to point to >> the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually >> learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the >> OS into RAM.? You can do what looks like work straight from >> there, but anything you do is lost on power-down.? I eventually >> decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has >> been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and >> dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might >> not have been the HD at all.? As yet I haven't really customized >> the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start >> over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from >>> home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC >>> guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work >>> flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in >>> the shop to be on the floor.? At home my iMac becomes the >>> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software.? It left me wanting >>> a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? >>> I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop >>> that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like >>> a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >>> productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We >>> bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work >>> one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot >>> of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >>> only? the new one runs with no issues. The older one is >>> slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the layer >>> firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older >>> laptops that the group has me convinced I should try >>> linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t >>> have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running >>> slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have >>> newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >>> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish >>> since we can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up >>> greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, >>> if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we >>> can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a >>> better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party >>> ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due >>> to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and >>> rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, >>> I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea. ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save >>> at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. >>> At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an >>> iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. >>> 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the >>> camera.? ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good >>> the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. >>> If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check >>> on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living >>> for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to >>> use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a >>> personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. >>> I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck >>> if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the >>> absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I >>> want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished >>> and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I >>> don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my >>> buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can >>> go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump >>> ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer >>> was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do >>> the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I >>> needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought >>> the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I >>> would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would >>> bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver >>> 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I >>> just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I >>> have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man >>> are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of >>> things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) >>> and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in >>> August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't >>> try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault. ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might >>> have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just >>> heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was >>> free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal >>> comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get >>> ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI >>> only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used >>> anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones >>> and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there >>> feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft >>> surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot >>> of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it >>> wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the >>> enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually >>> change this >>> >>>>? ? year, we will >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most >>> people with a >>> >>>>? ? tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> >>>>? ? antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>> antivirus >>> >>>>? ? software. >>> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> > >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> > >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? -- >>> >>>>? ? 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URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 07:57:52 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:57:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <033d18bd-dc3a-ec50-b633-07431e93c52b@gmail.com> Right! We use and re-use old tractors....so why not old computers. On 4/16/20 9:40 AM, Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially > laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like > most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under > $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie.? You're another strong member > of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to > work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach.? > 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data > storage is on the work?servers.? I don't store a lot of data in any > event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB > free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking >> at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or >> something like that during initial?startup in order to point to >> the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually >> learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the >> OS into RAM.? You can do what looks like work straight from >> there, but anything you do is lost on power-down.? I eventually >> decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has >> been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and >> dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might >> not have been the HD at all.? As yet I haven't really customized >> the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start >> over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to work?from >>> home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC >>> guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just reorganizing work >>> flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in >>> the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the >>> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs >>> Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a >>> separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I >>> installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that >>> was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a?charm.? >>> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it >>> the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? We >>> bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work >>> one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot >>> of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >>> only? the new one runs with no issues. The older one is >>> slow and cluncky.? That started with some of the layer >>> firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older >>> laptops that the group has me convinced I should try >>> linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t >>> have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running >>> slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have >>> newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >>> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish >>> since we can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up >>> greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, >>> if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we >>> can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a >>> better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party >>> ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due >>> to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and >>> rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, >>> I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea. ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you might save >>> at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. >>> At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an >>> iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. >>> 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the >>> camera.? ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good >>> the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. >>> If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check >>> on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a living >>> for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to >>> use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have a >>> personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. >>> I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck >>> if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the >>> absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I >>> want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished >>> and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I >>> don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my >>> buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can >>> go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump >>> ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer >>> was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do >>> the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I >>> needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought >>> the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I >>> would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would >>> bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver >>> 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I >>> just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I >>> have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man >>> are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of >>> things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) >>> and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in >>> August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't >>> try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might >>> have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I just >>> heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was >>> free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal >>> comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get >>> ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI >>> only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be used >>> anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones >>> and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there >>> feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft >>> surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot >>> of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it >>> wrong. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 07:58:27 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:58:27 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. > Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. > (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 > and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of > the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work > around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is > a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on > the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked > at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being > OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu Thu Apr 16 08:05:59 2020 From: brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu (Gunnells, Brad R) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:05:59 +0000 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> , Message-ID: Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may be out of luck if it's too old. It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to mounting the drive internally. Brad ________________________________ From: AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad ________________________________ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 08:10:30 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:10:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71efde94-818e-97bf-80b8-b3d11012c412@gmail.com> If you are lucky the SSD will plug into an extra SATA connector on the motherboard. Such internal setup is far better than plugging into an external port. I've even velcro'd SSDs in place when there was no drive bay available. We are brave people: we work on tractors so a computer is no challenge! There are many tutorials for this process; do it and feel proud. On 4/16/20 10:58 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes.? My question is how the SSD's > connect.? USB?? If so,? do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially > laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like > most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for > under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make > it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call > a form of recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie. You're another strong > member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? > I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but > if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the > right approach.? 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work > on the laptop, so data storage is on the work?servers.? I don't > store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home > use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and > apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm >> looking at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to >> F12 or something like that during initial?startup in order to >> point to the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I >> eventually learned it was actually just loading an >> installable copy of the OS into RAM.? You can do what looks >> like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on >> power-down.? I eventually decided to install and partition my >> HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right >> now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall >> what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at >> all.? As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so >> it will be no big deal to go back and start over, >> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to >>> work?from home as much as possible, which is tough when >>> you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just >>> reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home >>> with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At >>> home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns >>> workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >>> management software.? It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I >>> installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop >>> that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like >>> a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >>> productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? >>> We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new >>> work one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not >>> run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. >>> Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. >>> The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with >>> some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running >>> windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 >>> older laptops that the group has me convinced I >>> should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, >>> szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she >>> doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s >>> probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >>> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have >>> that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get >>> our internet through a dish since we can?t get any >>> cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before >>> we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >> > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up >>> I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account >>> we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple >>> is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third >>> party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster >>> due to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, >>> and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups >>> everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might >>> save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take >>> trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is >>> an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you >>> need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use >>> the camera. ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure. ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how >>> good the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the >>> years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to >>> check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the >>> unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a >>> living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance >>> to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have >>> a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that >>> way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer >>> buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need >>> the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now >>> I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple >>> refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? >>> I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One >>> of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I >>> can go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. >>> Jump ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new >>> computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, >>> do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything >>> I needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and >>> bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it >>> now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I >>> would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the >>> Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is >>> coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. >>> I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but >>> man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds >>> of things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my >>> advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage >>> in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and >>> don't try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier >>> might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I >>> just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad >>> was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the >>> deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s >>> iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to >>> get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. >>> WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be >>> used anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are >>> phones and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite >>> there feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the >>> specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the >>> Microsoft surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a >>> lot of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look >>> at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even >>> the enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 08:10:09 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:10:09 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA rings a big bell. SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: > Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell > Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case > and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD > on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less > than 15 minute job on mine. > > Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to > remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may > be out of luck if it's too old. > > It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it > like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to > mounting the drive internally. > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's > connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. > Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. > (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 > and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------ > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of > the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work > around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is > a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on > the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked > at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being > OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > SO > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Steve > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > Steve O. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From hank at millerfarm.com Thu Apr 16 08:14:36 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80781c51-d4ff-44c8-8ee7-f010668388ef@www.fastmail.com> That is like asking how a plow attaches to your tractor. Without knowing if you have a 3 point, tow behind, fast hitch, or one of the million other ideas engineers have come up with over the years. If you have the same connector on both ends it works. If not sometimes you can get an adapter sometimes not. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, at 09:58, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R wrote: >> An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). >> >> SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. >> >> So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? >> >> Brad >> >> >> *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen Offiler >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM >> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >> *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. >> >> Thanks again, >> SO >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: >>> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! >>> >>> >>> On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> Hi Bob: >>>> >>>> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >>>> >>>> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >>>> >>>> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >>>> >>>> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. >>>> >>>> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Mike, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Carl >>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> > From: Mike M >>>>>>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >>>>>>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >>>>>>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >>>>>>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >>>>>>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >>>>>>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >>>>>>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >>>>>>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >>>>>>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >>>>>>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >>>>>>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >>>>>>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >>>>>>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >>>>>>> > the Internet. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>> > Mike M >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >>>>>>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >>>>>>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >>>>>>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >>>>>>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >>>>>>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >>>>>>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >>>>>>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >>>>>>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >>>>>>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >>>>>>> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >>>>>>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >>>>>>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >>>>>>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >>>>>>> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >>>>>>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >>>>>>> >> work Mac. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Good luck! >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Spencer >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>>>>>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>>>>>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>>>>>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>>>>>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>>>>>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> SO >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>>>>> >>>> they sell >>>>>>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>>>> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>>>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>>>>> >>>> I'd be >>>>>>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>>>>> >>>> computer >>>>>>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>>>>> >>>> December of >>>>>>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>>>>> >>>> I would >>>>>>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>>>>> >>>> I needed >>>>>>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>>>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>>>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>>>>> >>>> thing was >>>>>>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>>>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>>>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>>>>> >>>> have it. >>>>>>> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>>>>> >>>> ready to go >>>>>>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>>>> >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>>>> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>>>> >>>>> IA >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>>>>> >>>> her complain >>>>>>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>>>>> >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>>>>> >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>>>>> >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>>>>> >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>>>>> >>>> pony up the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>>>>> >>>> influence her >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>>>>> >>>> to be changed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>>>>> >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>>>>> >>>> might want to look >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>>>>> >>>> deal where if >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>>>>> >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>>>>> >>>> just a few >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>>>>> >>>> or get one >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>>>>> >>>> when you have >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>>>>> >>>> signal is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>>>>> >>>> are aware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>>>>> >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>>>>> >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>>>>> >>>> tablet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>>>>> >>>> work, but there >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>>>>> >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>>>>> >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>>>>> >>>> powered >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>>>>> >>>> be rough >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>>>>> >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>>>>> >>>> detach the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>>>>> >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>>>>> >>>> extra for >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>>>>> >>>> admit they are >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>>>>> >>>> year, we will >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>>>>> >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>>>>> >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> 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Tired of trying to get all the ducks in a row in the garage on a make-shift workbench, my son and I cleared off the heavy-duty one in the shop this morning (I took a day off to use the good weather--back to rain tomorrow). Then, we got the unit mounted in the big vice. A few hits with Dean's BFH on the end of the gear puller, popped that puppy loose. Then holding a block of wood over the end of the shaft, a few more hits started the drum moving. Once past the edge of the casting, a pry bar applied evening pressure while a few more taps got the drum almost completely off the shoes. Then, a couple more taps with a big drift, and the shaft was loose and the drum off! Woo-hoo!! A little judicious prying got the shoes off, and the pedal shaft came right on out. One of the adjuster pins slid out with fingers; the other with just a little persuasion with a pair of pliers. Before dragging the torch in, I thought I'd see if a little bit of impact wrench might start the adjuster moving. Pulled the trigger, and--BUUUZZZZZZ--it spun right out! As Dean suggested: I don't understand what the heck the hold-up was. Everything came out VERY easily. the linings are cracked, but they aren't even worn down very much. [Scratches head.] I have to humbly thank all who have contributed so far. I did consult the B manual as suggested, and I followed all the good advice given about techniques. I think I could salvage everything except the shoe linings, but I want this thing in use ASAP, so I ordered a complete hardware and shoe set from Steiner tractor. A little pricey, but time is money is time. I will try to clean up the old hardware and save it for spares, and I want to clean up inside all the holes in the casting where the operating parts go, but the whole disassembly (once on the heavy bench took 12 minutes (and two of those were spend in wonderment that it was going so well). The inside of the drum is ROUGH, so I may try to find a better one somewhere, but I am not exactly going to be taking this guy on the interstate. Anyway, I feel REAL happy and VERY grateful. More updates as the electrical and carb parts come in, but I think they'll be more positive. The "original" Steve Allen From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Thu Apr 16 10:52:04 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <795920859.93304209.1587059015080.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <795920859.93304209.1587059015080.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J On 4/16/2020 12:43 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > SUCCESS, gentlemen! > > Tired of trying to get all the ducks in a row in the garage on a make-shift workbench, my son and I cleared off the heavy-duty one in the shop this morning (I took a day off to use the good weather--back to rain tomorrow). Then, we got the unit mounted in the big vice. A few hits with Dean's BFH on the end of the gear puller, popped that puppy loose. Then holding a block of wood over the end of the shaft, a few more hits started the drum moving. Once past the edge of the casting, a pry bar applied evening pressure while a few more taps got the drum almost completely off the shoes. Then, a couple more taps with a big drift, and the shaft was loose and the drum off! Woo-hoo!! > > A little judicious prying got the shoes off, and the pedal shaft came right on out. One of the adjuster pins slid out with fingers; the other with just a little persuasion with a pair of pliers. Before dragging the torch in, I thought I'd see if a little bit of impact wrench might start the adjuster moving. Pulled the trigger, and--BUUUZZZZZZ--it spun right out! > > As Dean suggested: I don't understand what the heck the hold-up was. Everything came out VERY easily. the linings are cracked, but they aren't even worn down very much. [Scratches head.] > > I have to humbly thank all who have contributed so far. I did consult the B manual as suggested, and I followed all the good advice given about techniques. > > I think I could salvage everything except the shoe linings, but I want this thing in use ASAP, so I ordered a complete hardware and shoe set from Steiner tractor. A little pricey, but time is money is time. I will try to clean up the old hardware and save it for spares, and I want to clean up inside all the holes in the casting where the operating parts go, but the whole disassembly (once on the heavy bench took 12 minutes (and two of those were spend in wonderment that it was going so well). > > The inside of the drum is ROUGH, so I may try to find a better one somewhere, but I am not exactly going to be taking this guy on the interstate. > > Anyway, I feel REAL happy and VERY grateful. > > More updates as the electrical and carb parts come in, but I think they'll be more positive. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 16 13:28:54 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 From: Mark Johnson To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J From bradloomis at charter.net Thu Apr 16 14:52:57 2020 From: bradloomis at charter.net (bradloomis at charter.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:52:57 -0700 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> I?m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after, but I got an internal ?kit? from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux. Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year. Bradford From: AT On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA rings a big bell. SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may be out of luck if it's too old. It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to mounting the drive internally. Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this >>>> year, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a >>>> tablet get. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >>>> antivirus software. >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdnut at aol.com Thu Apr 16 15:00:55 2020 From: jdnut at aol.com (Jdnut) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:00:55 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <50AED532-88BC-4F8A-B835-374799EC48F7@aol.com> Congratulations on the disassembly! Time and a big hammer are good helpers. I admit ?rough? is in the eyes of the beholder, but I would be tempted to wipe it down some with one of those rust destroyer chemicals (with appropriate protection, and it might help keep any residual asbestos from becoming airborne), touch it some with one of those foam sanding pads, and just let use hone it to a nice smooth finish. Take care, John Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:29 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > > ?That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 > From: Mark Johnson > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? > IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... > > Mark J > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 15:04:10 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:04:10 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks Brad. On that note, we've been using Libre Office at work for years now. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was bundled with Linux Mint. Our IT guy has been looking over my shoulder and now he's getting Linux-curious... SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:53 PM wrote: > I?m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after, > but I got an internal ?kit? from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my > wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS > and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs > infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine > going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux. > Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year. > > Bradford > > > > *From:* AT *On Behalf Of *Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton > more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a > workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA > rings a big bell. > > > > SO > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > > Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell > Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case > and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD > on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less > than 15 minute job on mine. > > > > Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to > remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may > be out of luck if it's too old. > > > > It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it > like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to > mounting the drive internally. > > > > Brad > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's > connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > > > SO > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. > Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. > (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 > and a 240GB for under $50. > > > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a > fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of > recycling. ? > > > > Brad > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen > Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of > the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't > committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work > around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is > a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on > the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked > at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being > OS and apps, not data. > > > > Thanks again, > > SO > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used > the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > > > I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php > > > > I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. > > > > Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable > thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ > > > > I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. > Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during > initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. > > > > It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned > it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You > can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is > lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD > for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to > be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; > might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the > install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, > reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. > > > > SO > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Steve > > > > I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? > > > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > > Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as > possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) > I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me > and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the > portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the > management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, > spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on > a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. > Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. > > > > Steve O. > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: > > Mike > > I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my > daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd > will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi > only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. > That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 > > All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the > group has me convinced I should try linux on > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > ?Mike, > > > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, > which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife > and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue > is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any > cable out here. > > > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > > the Internet. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike M > > > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. > >> > >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t > >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not > >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if > >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some > >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. > >> > >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad > >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model > >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might > >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might > >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has > gotten. > >> > >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any > >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an > >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. > >> > >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time > >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple > >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products > >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their > >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are > >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a > >> work Mac. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Spencer > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: > >>> > >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always > >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last > >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest > >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not > >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and > >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mike M > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! > >>>> > >>>> SO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. > >>>> > >>>> Mike M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if > >>>> they sell > >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. > >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an > >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought > >>>> I'd be > >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a > >>>> computer > >>>>> and set it up myself. > >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to > >>>> December of > >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought > >>>> I would > >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. > >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. > >>>> I needed > >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an > >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my > >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the > >>>> thing was > >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact > >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on > >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they > >>>> have it. > >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and > >>>> ready to go > >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. > >>>>> Good Luck, > >>>>> Tyler Juranek > >>>>> IA > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear > >>>> her complain > >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate > >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: > >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too > >>>> big and pricey > >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent > >>>> a good part of > >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even > >>>> lugged it along > >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi > >>>> on ship and > >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden > >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just > >>>> pony up the > >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to > >>>> influence her > >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has > >>>> to be changed > >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said > >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. > >>>>>>>> Cecil > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials > >>>> on tablets as > >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You > >>>> might want to look > >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a > >>>> deal where if > >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or > >>>> real cheap. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out > >>>> just a few > >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? > >>>> or get one > >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good > >>>> when you have > >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel > >>>> signal is > >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you > >>>> are aware. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Claude > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a > >>>> newer Apple is > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based > >>>> and sometimes > >>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the > >>>> tablet > >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They > >>>> work, but there > >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific > >>>> manufacturer supports > >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google > >>>> wants to push the > >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low > >>>> powered > >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might > >>>> be rough > >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface > >>>> line, it again is > >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you > >>>> detach the > >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the > >>>> hardware lacks > >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay > >>>> extra for > >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts > >>>> admit they are > >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually change this > >>>> year, we will > >>>>>>>>>>>> see... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most people with a > >>>> tablet get. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast > >>>> antivirus software. > >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list > >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com 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URL: From bloomis at charter.net Thu Apr 16 15:47:02 2020 From: bloomis at charter.net (bloomis at charter.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:47:02 -0700 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> <02e801d61439$649f6f30$2dde4d90$@charter.net> Message-ID: <04a801d61440$f28bf7d0$d7a3e770$@charter.net> It has been Outlook that has kept me wed to Office since I got my first CD at a Pasadena IBM User group meeting in 1997. Been using since and have emails going back almost that far. I tried Thunderbird a few years ago and was thoroughly underwhelmed. But with the advent of IMAP mail, which I don?t need and all the iterations of Outlook since I guess I?m going to make a move to either my own domain or learn to live with either Thunderbird or Gmail. Bradford. From: AT On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 3:04 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Thanks Brad. On that note, we've been using Libre Office at work for years now. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was bundled with Linux Mint. Our IT guy has been looking over my shoulder and now he's getting Linux-curious... SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:53 PM > wrote: I?m just home from my day so late to this and probably many replies after, but I got an internal ?kit? from Crucial for the 12 yo Dell XPS that was my wifes. It included a copy of cloning software so you can copy your old OS and everything else to the new SSD. Dead nuts simple to do. It runs infinitely faster and better. Inexpensive upgrade to keep an old machine going. One day W7 will go away on it and it will be some version of Linux. Windows, and more importantly Office are getting worse every year. Bradford From: AT > On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA rings a big bell. SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may be out of luck if it's too old. It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to mounting the drive internally. Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of recycling. ? Brad _____ From: AT > on behalf of Stephen Offiler > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. Thanks again, SO On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: Hi Bob: I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. SO On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Steve I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler > wrote: ? Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. Steve O. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: Mike I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > ?Mike, > > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get any cable out here. > > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use > the Internet. > > Thanks, > Mike M > >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has gotten. >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> work Mac. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M > wrote: >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >>>> they sell >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >>>> I'd be >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >>>> computer >>>>> and set it up myself. >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >>>> December of >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >>>> I would >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >>>> I needed >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >>>> thing was >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >>>> have it. >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >>>> ready to go >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >>>>> Good Luck, >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>>>> IA >>>>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >>>> her complain >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >>>> big and pricey >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >>>> a good part of >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >>>> lugged it along >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >>>> on ship and >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >>>> pony up the >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >>>> influence her >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >>>> to be changed >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>>>>>>> Cecil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >>>> on tablets as >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >>>> might want to look >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >>>> deal where if >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >>>> real cheap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >>>> just a few >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >>>> or get one >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >>>> when you have >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >>>> signal is >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >>>> are aware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >>>> newer Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >>>> and sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >>>> tablet >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >>>> work, but there >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >>>> manufacturer supports >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >>>> wants to push the >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >>>> powered >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >>>> be rough >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >>>> line, it again is >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >>>> detach the >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >>>> hardware lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >>>> extra for >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >>>> admit they are >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 16 16:00:31 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1902711711.5963840.1587078031016.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Steve, This could be a long shot, but depending on how bad the surface is, you might be able to ?turn? the drum yourself. What you may want to try is to reassemble the entire unit, only use double sided tape to attach sandpaper to the brake shoes. Adjust the shoes so that they put some pressure on the drum and spin the drum. Start with something like 120 grit and work up to 400 grit or better, depending on how smooth you think the drum surface needs to be. Adjust shoe pressure as you go. You may be surprised at how fast you can get the drum surface smoothed out, especially if you can get the drum spinning fast enough. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 From: Mark Johnson To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dean at vinsonfarm.net Thu Apr 16 18:31:49 2020 From: dean at vinsonfarm.net (Dean Vinson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:31:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] Tax deductible contributions to antique tractor clubs Message-ID: <00bc01d61457$f7cbfee0$e763fca0$@vinsonfarm.net> Today I learned (on a forum about classic railroad equipment) the coronavirus relief act contains a provision allowing those who do not itemize deductions to still subtract from their 2020 taxable income up to $300 of charitable contributions. Internet searches for "CARES Act Section 2204" or "CARES Act incentives for charitable giving" will turn up details. I mention this because some antique tractor associations are 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations, and the recent increase to the standard deduction meant that I and surely many others no longer itemize deductions. which might tend to remove some incentive or at least remove the reminder to donate to charitable causes. Section 2204 in the CARES Act puts some of that incentive/reminder back. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 19:00:38 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:00:38 -0500 Subject: [AT] Tax deductible contributions to antique tractor clubs In-Reply-To: <00bc01d61457$f7cbfee0$e763fca0$@vinsonfarm.net> References: <00bc01d61457$f7cbfee0$e763fca0$@vinsonfarm.net> Message-ID: <47CAECECA6E248FE8EE36727DBF41DA9@JimDesktop> Maybe they were trying to encourage some gifts to the Red Cross or similar? From: Dean Vinson Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:31 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: [AT] Tax deductible contributions to antique tractor clubs Today I learned (on a forum about classic railroad equipment) the coronavirus relief act contains a provision allowing those who do not itemize deductions to still subtract from their 2020 taxable income up to $300 of charitable contributions. Internet searches for ?CARES Act Section 2204? or ?CARES Act incentives for charitable giving? will turn up details. I mention this because some antique tractor associations are 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations, and the recent increase to the standard deduction meant that I and surely many others no longer itemize deductions? which might tend to remove some incentive or at least remove the reminder to donate to charitable causes. Section 2204 in the CARES Act puts some of that incentive/reminder back. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Thu Apr 16 20:20:28 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 22:20:28 -0500 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <515225c4-f807-9a55-b103-10589520477c@basicisp.net> Most new SSDs and other hard drives are SATA (Serial ATA) the replacement for IDE hard drives. I have laptops here with SATA and IDE drive connections. Same for desktops. I would jump on a $25 120Gb SSD. they are faster than a 7200 rpm hard drive and no moving parts. Way better than any hard drive I have ever had. Phil in TX On 4/16/2020 9:58 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to > waste time going down any rabbit holes.? My question is how the SSD's > connect.? USB?? If so,? do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially > laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like > most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for > under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make > it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call > a form of recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie. You're another strong > member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.? > I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but > if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the > right approach.? 120GB is a ton for my needs.? Mostly doing work > on the laptop, so data storage is on the work?servers.? I don't > store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home > use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and > apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, > then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to make a >> bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm >> looking at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you to >> F12 or something like that during initial?startup in order to >> point to the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I >> eventually learned it was actually just loading an >> installable copy of the OS into RAM.? You can do what looks >> like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on >> power-down.? I eventually decided to install and partition my >> HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right >> now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall >> what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at >> all.? As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so >> it will be no big deal to go back and start over, >> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to >>> work?from home as much as possible, which is tough when >>> you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I am just >>> reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home >>> with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.? At >>> home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns >>> workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >>> management software.? It left me wanting a separate >>> screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.? I >>> installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop >>> that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like >>> a?charm.? Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was >>> productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage? >>> We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new >>> work one.? The older one is slso slow snd will not >>> run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. >>> Both ate WiFi only? the new one runs with no issues. >>> The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with >>> some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running >>> windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 >>> older laptops that the group has me convinced I >>> should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, >>> szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she >>> doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s >>> probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >>> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have >>> that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get >>> our internet through a dish since we can?t get any >>> cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before >>> we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >> > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up >>> I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account >>> we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in >>> college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even >>> though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so >>> most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple >>> is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The >>> reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third >>> party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster >>> due to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, >>> and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the >>> other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the >>> problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups >>> everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off:? great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and >>> their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might >>> save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty >>> good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take >>> trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is >>> an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you >>> need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use >>> the camera. ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be >>> sure. ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how >>> good the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the >>> years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to >>> check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the >>> unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside:? I?ve been doing software for a >>> living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance >>> to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re >>> really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to >>> support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect your >>> privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I have >>> a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that >>> way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer >>> buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need >>> the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a >>> feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now >>> I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple >>> refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>>? ? Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? >>> I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>>? ? Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One >>> of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I >>> can go buy a >>> >>>>? ? computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>>? ? Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. >>> Jump ahead to >>> >>>>? ? December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>>? ? Since I am a power user, I knew a new >>> computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the >>> basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, >>> do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything >>> I needed, the >>> >>>>? ? thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and >>> bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it >>> now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I >>> would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>>? ? Tractor note: I really need to get the >>> Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>>? ? ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and >>> rainy to do so. >>> >>>>>? ? Good Luck, >>> >>>>>? ? Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>>? ? IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is >>> coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. >>> I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but >>> man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I >>> thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since >>> she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds >>> of things. Even >>> >>>>? ? lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my >>> advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage >>> in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and >>> don't try to >>> >>>>? ? influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets is >>> obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your >>> fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier >>> might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>>? ? might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know I >>> just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad >>> was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the >>> deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s >>> iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to >>> get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. >>> WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be >>> used anywhere cel >>> >>>>? ? signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just >>> making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>>? ? >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it >>> sounds like a >>> >>>>? ? newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are >>> Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are >>> phones and so the >>> >>>>? ? tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite >>> there feel. They >>> >>>>? ? work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the >>> specific >>> >>>>? ? manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>>? ? wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at >>> laptops and low >>> >>>>? ? powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can >>> work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the >>> Microsoft surface >>> >>>>? ? line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay >>> tablet when you >>> >>>>? ? detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a >>> lot of the >>> >>>>? ? hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look >>> at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>>? ? extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even >>> the enthusiasts >>> >>>>? ? admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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I'm going to have to google it just > to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 05:27:06 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:27:06 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Note the link shows model years 2011-2013 for the Boomer 40. Tractordata obviously isn't perfect, but it's usually pretty good, so at least worth raising a question whether this is really a 2007 tractor of a different model, or a Boomer 40 that is newer than claimed. Third possibility that it is as claimed and Tractordata is missing, well, some tractor data, is also on the table. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:15 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/7/4/6746-new-holland-boomer-40.html > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:50 AM Indiana Robinson > wrote: > >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pga2 at basicisp.net Fri Apr 17 05:30:02 2020 From: pga2 at basicisp.net (Phil Auten) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:30:02 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. Phil in TX On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a > fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end > loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... > I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base? > :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google > it just to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 05:35:50 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:35:50 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The 40-hp New Holland offering in 2007 timeframe: http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/005/6/8/5681-new-holland-tc40a.html On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:27 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > Note the link shows model years 2011-2013 for the Boomer 40. Tractordata > obviously isn't perfect, but it's usually pretty good, so at least worth > raising a question whether this is really a 2007 tractor of a different > model, or a Boomer 40 that is newer than claimed. Third possibility that > it is as claimed and Tractordata is missing, well, some tractor data, is > also on the table. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:15 AM Stephen Offiler > wrote: > >> >> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/7/4/6746-new-holland-boomer-40.html >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:50 AM Indiana Robinson >> wrote: >> >>> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >>> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >>> hours on it. Very good condition... >>> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >>> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >>> just to see what one looks like. :-) >>> Anyone have any idea? >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 17 05:58:57 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:58:57 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> My TS110 is a 2003 model.? Most guys around here have had pretty good service from New Holland.? The early 2000 models were just updated Fords.? My tractor had the hourmeter turned back or replaced and was about 5000 hours short..? I believe it was a mowing tractor used by a contractor for the state DOT.? At that time the state was contracting mowing the highways.? Contractors figured out they could not make any money after about 5 years. One governor got re-elected over retiring the old guys who were tractor operators.? 5 years later, ODOT was buying tractors and mowers and hiring operators.? Just another state Boondoogle. Cecil On 4/17/2020 7:30 AM, Phil Auten wrote: > > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one > Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be > spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded > here of the stories my dad told me about one particular used car > dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a >> fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end >> loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base? >> :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to >> google it just to see what one looks like.? :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 06:34:22 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:34:22 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> Message-ID: I don't think Cecil's terrible experience with his TS110 says much if anything about New Hollands in general. Sorry for my barrage of replies earlier; I was actually in the middle of something else and not giving this my full attention. So to recap, there's something wrong with the information we're given. I am pretty sure there's no such thing as a 2007 Boomer 40. The things it could be include: 1) 2011-2013 Boomer 40 (they just got the date plain wrong) 2) 2017 Boomer 40 (the date is one digit off, a real possibility, not to mention 350 hrs makes it sound pretty new) 3) 2003-2008 Boomer TC40A (date is correct, and they're abbreviating the model) These are three somewhat different tractors which will have different monetary values, as well as some features you might not want... the '17 has Tier 4 emissions which I'd have to look up, but I think those are the ones with particulate filters that go into an annoying "regen" cycle periodically. I'm not sure about DEF but maybe that too. Show stopper for some people. SO On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:59 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > My TS110 is a 2003 model. Most guys around here have had pretty good > service from New Holland. The early 2000 models were just updated Fords. > My tractor had the hourmeter turned back or replaced and was about 5000 > hours short.. I believe it was a mowing tractor used by a contractor for > the state DOT. At that time the state was contracting mowing the > highways. Contractors figured out they could not make any money after > about 5 years. One governor got re-elected over retiring the old guys who > were tractor operators. 5 years later, ODOT was buying tractors and mowers > and hiring operators. Just another state Boondoogle. > Cecil > On 4/17/2020 7:30 AM, Phil Auten wrote: > > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil > has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to > make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the > stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the > late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > > Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair > price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 > hours on it. Very good condition... > I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base :-) > but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it just > to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Fri Apr 17 07:09:04 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:09:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> <1441d707-76c0-f9d9-76e7-15922c9c40fa@copper.net> Message-ID: <7a51d96f-f7df-7218-83a4-45932a8ebdd9@copper.net> My TS110 had problems due to an unscrupulous dealer.? The same thing can be said about my MTZ/Belarus 1220.4 .? My MTZ had the clutch replaced at a very high cost to the factory by the dealer who could not make his 1yr payment to the factory.? At 12 hrs of use the clutch was disassembled, the flywheel resurfaced, leaving out the pilot bearing, new disks were installed that were woven not ceramic and the center plate was replaced.? The clutch assembly is a balanced unit and is to be balanced before installation.? No balancing was done.? The problems with both tractors were due to the actions of bad dealers, and poor mechanics.? When we replaced the pilot bearing on my MTZ, I was not aware that the clutch disks were supposed to be ceramic.? I also did not realize that the balanced clutch assembly had been taken apart until I was furnished a copy of the warranty claim from the dealer.? The engine has a vibration above 1500 rpm.? I am sure it is due to the unbalanced clutch. Cecil On 4/17/2020 8:34 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > I don't think Cecil's terrible experience with his TS110 says much if > anything about New Hollands in general. > > Sorry for my barrage of replies earlier; I was actually?in the middle > of something else and not giving?this my full attention.? So to recap, > there's something wrong with the information we're given.? I am pretty > sure there's no such thing as a 2007 Boomer 40.? The things it could > be include: > > 1)? 2011-2013 Boomer 40 (they just got the date plain wrong) > 2)? 2017 Boomer 40 (the date is one digit off, a real possibility, not > to mention 350 hrs makes it sound pretty new) > 3)? 2003-2008 Boomer TC40A (date is correct, and they're abbreviating > the model) > > These are three somewhat different tractors which will have different > monetary?values, as well as some features you might not want... the > '17 has Tier 4 emissions which I'd have to look up, but I think those > are the ones with particulate filters that go into an annoying "regen" > cycle periodically. ?I'm not sure about DEF but maybe that?too.? Show > stopper for some people. > > SO > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:59 AM Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > My TS110 is a 2003 model.? Most guys around here have had pretty > good service from New Holland.? The early 2000 models were just > updated Fords.? My tractor had the hourmeter turned back or > replaced and was about 5000 hours short..? I believe it was a > mowing tractor used by a contractor for the state DOT.? At that > time the state was contracting mowing the highways.? Contractors > figured out they could not make any money after about 5 years.? > One governor got re-elected over retiring the old guys who were > tractor operators.? 5 years later, ODOT was buying tractors and > mowers and hiring operators.? Just another state Boondoogle. > Cecil > > On 4/17/2020 7:30 AM, Phil Auten wrote: >> >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the >> one Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things >> can be spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I >> am reminded here of the stories my dad told me about one >> particular used car dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, >> and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away >>> about a fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with >>> front end loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... >>> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge >>> base? :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to >>> have to google it just to see what one looks like.? :-) >>> Anyone have any idea? >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dejoodster at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 10:55:50 2020 From: dejoodster at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:55:50 -0500 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there with Deere and Kubota. Jason On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil > has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to > make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the > stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the > late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > > Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair > price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 > hours on it. Very good condition... > I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base :-) > but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it just > to see what one looks like. :-) > Anyone have any idea? > > . > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Fri Apr 17 12:28:37 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:28:37 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: I think all tractors under 70 hp are just rebranded something else built overseas. Maybe not in 2007 though. Mike M On 4/17/2020 1:55 PM, Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New > Holland compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors > right up there with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten > wrote: > > Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the > one Cecil has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things > can be spruced up to make them seem a lot better than they are. I > am reminded here of the stories my dad told me about one > particular used car dealer back in the late 50's and early 60's, > and they weren't good. > > Phil in TX > > > On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about >> a fair price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front >> end loader and 350 hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge >> base? :-)? but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to >> have to google it just to see what one looks like.? :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Apr 17 14:00:45 2020 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:00:45 +0000 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question Message-ID: Farmer, I have almost the same tractor 2004 TC40DA and they were called "Boomer" tractors when I bought mine new in the spring of 2005. There is a web page that specializes in the compact diesels like these. Your nephew may want to look at tractorbynet.com There is even a section on buying/pricing of New Holland tractors. https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/new-holland-buying-pricing/ and other sections on own and operating these machines. There are a few versions of the 40hp tractor of that vintage and its hard to say price without knowing which one he is looking at. My tractor is the "delux" model with hydrostatic transmission, 17LA loader, R4 tires, & Supersteer. Its been a great machine and now has about 1200 hours on it with few issues. I do not think that it is terribly rare for a compact tractor like this to be very low on hours. It amazes me how many people buy these machines and they never leave the barn. New Holland compact tractors, of this vintage, were built in North Carolina and mine has a Shibuara engine. Farmer, you or you nephew can write me directly if I can answer questions, be sure to mention new holland tractor in the subject line so I won't mistake it for spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 15:26:53 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:26:53 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: My nephew responded... They may have the wrong year listed? Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. ****************************8 I will send him Andy Glines information. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there > with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hfleming at moosebird.net Fri Apr 17 15:30:52 2020 From: hfleming at moosebird.net (Howard Fleming) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:30:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58c72079-02e8-f4e5-ec33-58c4308320ae@moosebird.net> If you have the tag number from your Dell laptop, you can enter it at http://dell.com/support and it should tell you hardware it has (at least when it was shipped). Check your laptop, you "might" have an external sata port on it, some laptops do.? That may get around a lot of the speed issues. Howard On 4/16/20 11:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > Ah-HA.? Thanks Brad.? I was thinking external, but internal makes a > ton more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, > a workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08.? > SATA rings a big bell. > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old > Dell Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner > of the case and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the > SSD. Mound the SSD on the slide out chassis and slip it back in > and put the screw in. A less than 15 minute job on mine. > > Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive > to remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. > So you may be out of luck if it's too old. > > It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and > use it like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance > compared to mounting the drive internally. > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers > Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't > want to waste time going down any rabbit holes.? My question is > how the SSD's connect.? USB?? If so,? do they need 2.0, 3.0? > > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R > > wrote: > > An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. > Especially laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM > instead of 7200 like most desktops. (or at least that's what > I'd seen several years ago). > > SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found > for under $30 and a 240GB for under $50. > > So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and > make it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's > what I call a form of recycling. ? > > Brad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AT > on behalf of > Stephen Offiler > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > > *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers > That sounds like a?good plan, Charlie.? You're another strong > member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for > sure.? I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig > as yet, but if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD > sounds like the right approach.? 120GB is a ton for my needs.? > Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on the > work?servers.? I don't store a lot of data in any event... > just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB > free, the majority being OS and apps, not data. > > Thanks again, > SO > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs > wrote: > > On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint > OS, then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very > fast! > > On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher?to >> make a bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm >> looking at Linux.? Some machines, not mine, will need you >> to F12 or something like that during initial?startup in >> order to point to the thumb rather than the HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I >> eventually learned it was actually just loading an >> installable copy of the OS into RAM.? You can do what >> looks like work straight from there, but anything you do >> is lost on power-down.? I eventually decided to install >> and partition my HD for dual-boot.? My HD has been wonky >> in the past but right now it seems to be fine and dandy >> and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; >> might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't >> really customized the install much, so it will be no big >> deal to go back and start over, reformatting the HD and >> dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Go for it Bob!? I am now doing my level best to >>> work?from home as much as possible, which is tough >>> when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)? I >>> am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork >>> comes home with me and I'm only in the shop to be on >>> the floor.? At home my iMac becomes the portal to my >>> Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks >>> and the management software.? It left me wanting a >>> separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word >>> processing.? I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate >>> Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in >>> 2008, and it works like a?charm.? Learning curve is >>> minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >>> >>> Steve O. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 >>> vintage? We bought it for my daighter gor >>> college and a new work one.? The older one is >>> slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer >>> programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi only? >>> the new one runs with no issues. The older one >>> is slow and cluncky.? That started with some of >>> the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >>> >>> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for >>> 2 older laptops that the group has me convinced >>> I should try linux on >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, >>> szabelski at wildblue.net >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Mike, >>> > >>> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she >>> doesn?t have the latest OS, which is why she?s >>> probably running slow and getting all the ads. >>> My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we >>> don?t have that issue. Our only issue is that we >>> have to get our internet through a dish since we >>> can?t get any cable out here. >>> > >>> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues >>> before we up greased. >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Mike M >> > >>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >>> > >>> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up >>> I-Pad, if they do offer >>> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu >>> account we can use. I'm not >>> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft >>> in college with Windows >>> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, >>> even though superior, would >>> > not grant licensing for their operating >>> system, so most software was >>> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that >>> Apple is a better product, >>> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. >>> The reason my wife's >>> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any >>> third party ad blocking >>> > software for it. My windows machine is much >>> faster due to the fact I can >>> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on >>> it, and rarely see an ad. >>> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems >>> the other day and had to >>> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as >>> the problem. Holy crap, if I >>> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups >>> everyday, I wouldn't use >>> > the Internet. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mike M >>> > >>> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >> First off: great gift idea.? ?I?m sure she?ll >>> appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >>? Apple keeps a really tight control on prices >>> and their partners can?t >>> >> undercut them by much.? The few bucks you >>> might save at Newegg may not >>> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is >>> pretty good. In addition if >>> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take >>> trade-ins. At least get some >>> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >>> >> >>> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There >>> is an iPad Pro, iPad >>> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what >>> you need. 32 GB model >>> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t >>> use the camera. ? Might >>> >> want to double check her current usage tho to >>> be sure.? ?She might >>> >> also start using the camera when she sees how >>> good the camera has gotten. >>> >> >>> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the >>> years. If she has any >>> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need >>> to check on getting an >>> >> adapter.? ?I guess that can come after the >>> unwrapping. >>> >> >>> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a >>> living for a long time >>> >> and I have never understood many folks >>> reluctance to use Apple >>> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But >>> they?re really good products >>> >> and Apple is more likely than any other >>> vendor to support their >>> >> customers, back their product and protect >>> your privacy. Those are >>> >> important things to me. Full disclosure:? I >>> have a personal Mac and a >>> >> work Mac. >>> >> >>> >> Good luck! >>> >> >>> >> Spencer >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay >>> that way. I have always >>> >>> found that I get the most bang for my >>> computer buck if I buy last >>> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist >>> need the absolute latest >>> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's >>> a feature that I'm not >>> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest >>> processing speed, and >>> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., >>> now I want an iPad! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SO >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple >>> refurbished and the Newegg site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? Mike M >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? >>> I don't know if >>> >>>>? ? they sell >>> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >>> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One >>> of my buddies is an >>> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually >>> impaired, I thought >>> >>>>? ? I'd be >>> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even >>> though I can go buy a >>> >>>> computer >>> >>>>> and set it up myself. >>> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. >>> Jump ahead to >>> >>>> December of >>> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in >>> January. I thought >>> >>>>? ? I would >>> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >>> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new >>> computer was in order. >>> >>>>? ? I needed >>> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do >>> the basics, but I host an >>> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live >>> events, do the books for my >>> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For >>> everything I needed, the >>> >>>> thing was >>> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and >>> bought the same exact >>> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with >>> it now. I would check on >>> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. >>> I would bet they >>> >>>>? ? have it. >>> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the >>> Oliver 770 out and >>> >>>> ready to go >>> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold >>> and rainy to do so. >>> >>>>> Good Luck, >>> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >>> >>>>> IA >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M >> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is >>> coming, I just hear >>> >>>>? ? her complain >>> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new >>> one. I have a love/hate >>> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, >>> but man are they spendy. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? >>> iPad. I thought it too >>> >>>>? ? big and pricey >>> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.? Ever >>> since she has spent >>> >>>>? ? a good part of >>> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all >>> kinds of things. Even >>> >>>> lugged it along >>> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my >>> advice) and had WiFi >>> >>>>? ? on ship and >>> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of >>> marriage in August is just >>> >>>>? ? pony up the >>> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and >>> don't try to >>> >>>> influence her >>> >>>>>>>> decision.? That way if the one she gets >>> is obsolete or has >>> >>>>? ? to be changed >>> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be >>> your fault.? ?Note I said >>> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >>> >>>>>>>> Cecil >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier >>> might have specials >>> >>>>? ? on tablets as >>> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal >>> promotions. You >>> >>>> might want to look >>> >>>>>>>>> into that.? I am with AT&T and I know >>> I just heard of a >>> >>>>? ? deal where if >>> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the >>> pad was free or >>> >>>>? ? real cheap. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, >>> the deal comes out >>> >>>>? ? just a few >>> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my >>> wife?s iPhone... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude >>> Kyker >>> >>>>? ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether >>> to get ?WIFI only ? >>> >>>>? ? or get one >>> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular >>> data. WIFI only is good >>> >>>>? ? when you have >>> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,? cellular data can be >>> used anywhere cel >>> >>>> signal is >>> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, >>> just making sure you >>> >>>>? ? are aware. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M >>> >>> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but >>> it sounds like a >>> >>>> newer Apple is >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers >>> are Windows based >>> >>>>? ? and sometimes >>> >>>>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids >>> are phones and so the >>> >>>> tablet >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite >>> there feel. They >>> >>>> work, but there >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how >>> the specific >>> >>>> manufacturer supports >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have >>> budget). Google >>> >>>> wants to push the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is >>> targeted at laptops and low >>> >>>> powered >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it >>> can work but might >>> >>>>? ? be rough >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the >>> Microsoft surface >>> >>>> line, it again is >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an >>> okay tablet when you >>> >>>> detach the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, >>> a lot of the >>> >>>> hardware lacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you >>> look at it wrong. Pay >>> >>>> extra for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but >>> even the enthusiasts >>> >>>> admit they are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might >>> actually change this >>> >>>> year, we will >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see... >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet >>> most people with a >>> >>>> tablet get. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for >>> viruses by Avast >>> >>>> antivirus software. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses >>> by Avast antivirus >>> >>>> software. >>> >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> AT mailing list >>> >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >> > >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>? ? -- >>> >>>>? ? 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URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Fri Apr 17 17:46:16 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: <1492904612.6729543.1587170776002.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> You should be able to go to the auction site and ask them to clarify the information in the listing, maybe ask them to supply a model/serial number. I would be hesitant to bid on something that I wasn?t sure about. Is there any out is he bids on it and it?s not what it was supposed to be? He may want to ask them that. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Indiana Robinson To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] New fangled tractor question My nephew responded... They may have the wrong year listed? Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. ****************************8 I will send him Andy Glines information. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there > with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 17:49:07 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:49:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?=5BExternal=5D_Re=3A_OT_=E2=80=94_Tablet_computer?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: <58c72079-02e8-f4e5-ec33-58c4308320ae@moosebird.net> References: <8092ac5b-009f-1981-caab-27311938a9b5@gmail.com> <58c72079-02e8-f4e5-ec33-58c4308320ae@moosebird.net> Message-ID: Thank you Howard, that's extremely helpful. I do have the tag #, and it worked when I entered it at the dell/support link you provided. And, yes, I do have an external SATA port. Never really gave it any thought. It functions and I use it as a USB port, and only just now I'm seeing that it is shaped a bit differently. Great info, thanks again! SO On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:09 PM Howard Fleming wrote: > If you have the tag number from your Dell laptop, you can enter it at > http://dell.com/support and it should tell you hardware it has (at least > when it was shipped). > > Check your laptop, you "might" have an external sata port on it, some > laptops do. That may get around a lot of the speed issues. > > Howard > > > On 4/16/20 11:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Ah-HA. Thanks Brad. I was thinking external, but internal makes a ton > more sense from a speed standpoint. My laptop is a Dell Precision, a > workstation-class machine (I ran Solidworks on it) dates to '08. SATA > rings a big bell. > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gunnells, Brad R > wrote: > >> Depending on the laptop, some are made fairly accessible. My old Dell >> Latitude (business class machine) is one screw on the corner of the case >> and it slides out. It's a SATA interface just like the SSD. Mound the SSD >> on the slide out chassis and slip it back in and put the screw in. A less >> than 15 minute job on mine. >> >> Some laptops may be a bit more difficult to get to the hard drive to >> remove. REALLY old laptops may have an IDE drive and not SATA. So you may >> be out of luck if it's too old. >> >> It is possible to get an external SSD drive in an enclosure and use it >> like your memory stick. But you're loosing some performance compared to >> mounting the drive internally. >> >> Brad >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen >> Offiler >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:58 AM >> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group < >> at at lists.antique-tractor.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Re: OT ? Tablet computers >> >> Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to >> waste time going down any rabbit holes. My question is how the SSD's >> connect. USB? If so, do they need 2.0, 3.0? >> >> SO >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R >> wrote: >> >> An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially laptops. >> Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like most desktops. >> (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago). >> >> SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for under $30 >> and a 240GB for under $50. >> >> So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make it a >> fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call a form of >> recycling. ? >> >> Brad >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* AT on behalf of Stephen >> Offiler >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:10 AM >> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group < >> at at lists.antique-tractor.com> >> *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> >> That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong member of >> the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. I haven't >> committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to work >> around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach. 120GB is >> a ton for my needs. Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data storage is on >> the work servers. I don't store a lot of data in any event... just looked >> at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being >> OS and apps, not data. >> >> Thanks again, >> SO >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs wrote: >> >> On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS, then used >> the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast! >> >> On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> Hi Bob: >> >> I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php >> >> I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks. >> >> Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a bootable >> thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/ >> >> I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking at >> Linux. Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or something like >> that during initial startup in order to point to the thumb rather than the >> HD. >> >> It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually learned >> it was actually just loading an installable copy of the OS into RAM. You >> can do what looks like work straight from there, but anything you do is >> lost on power-down. I eventually decided to install and partition my HD >> for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right now it seems to >> be fine and dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; >> might not have been the HD at all. As yet I haven't really customized the >> install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start over, >> reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition. >> >> SO >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> wrote: >> >> Steve >> >> I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3? >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >> ? >> Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to work from home as much as >> possible, which is tough when you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) >> I am just reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home with me >> and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the >> portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the >> management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for email, >> spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on >> a Dell laptop that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like a charm. >> Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was productive with it the same day. >> >> Steve O. >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com >> wrote: >> >> Mike >> >> I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought it for my >> daighter gor college and a new work one. The older one is slso slow snd >> will not run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me ?Apps?. Both ate WiFi >> only the new one runs with no issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. >> That started with some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7 >> >> All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older laptops that the >> group has me convinced I should try linux on >> >> Bob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > If your wife?s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn?t have the latest >> OS, which is why she?s probably running slow and getting all the ads. My >> wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don?t have that issue. Our only >> issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish since we can?t get >> any cable out here. >> > >> > My wife?s older I-pad had the same issues before we up greased. >> > >> > Carl >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Mike M >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT ? Tablet computers >> > >> > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if they do offer >> > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can use. I'm not >> > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college with Windows >> > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though superior, would >> > not grant licensing for their operating system, so most software was >> > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a better product, >> > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason my wife's >> > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad blocking >> > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to the fact I can >> > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and rarely see an ad. >> > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other day and had to >> > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem. Holy crap, if I >> > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I wouldn't use >> > the Internet. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mike M >> > >> >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >> First off: great gift idea. I?m sure she?ll appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and their partners can?t >> >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save at Newegg may not >> >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty good. In addition if >> >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins. At least get some >> >> credit on your wife?s current iPad. >> >> >> >> Also get the model that is just ?iPad?. There is an iPad Pro, iPad >> >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need. 32 GB model >> >> should be plenty as well since she doesn?t use the camera. Might >> >> want to double check her current usage tho to be sure. She might >> >> also start using the camera when she sees how good the camera has >> gotten. >> >> >> >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years. If she has any >> >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check on getting an >> >> adapter. I guess that can come after the unwrapping. >> >> >> >> As an aside: I?ve been doing software for a living for a long time >> >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to use Apple >> >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they?re really good products >> >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to support their >> >> customers, back their product and protect your privacy. Those are >> >> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a personal Mac and a >> >> work Mac. >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way. I have always >> >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck if I buy last >> >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the absolute latest >> >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a feature that I'm not >> >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest processing speed, and >> >>> will give me the most bang for my buck? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Mike M >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: >> >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I want an iPad! >> >>>> >> >>>> SO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished and the Newegg site. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike M >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote: >> >>>>> Hi Mike, >> >>>>> Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I don't know if >> >>>> they sell >> >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story. >> >>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my buddies is an >> >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually impaired, I thought >> >>>> I'd be >> >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can go buy a >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> and set it up myself. >> >>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump ahead to >> >>>> December of >> >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in January. I thought >> >>>> I would >> >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong. >> >>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer was in order. >> >>>> I needed >> >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the basics, but I host an >> >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do the books for my >> >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I needed, the >> >>>> thing was >> >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought the same exact >> >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I would check on >> >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would bet they >> >>>> have it. >> >>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver 770 out and >> >>>> ready to go >> >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and rainy to do so. >> >>>>> Good Luck, >> >>>>> Tyler Juranek >> >>>>> IA >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I just hear >> >>>> her complain >> >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I have a love/hate >> >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man are they spendy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote: >> >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12? iPad. I thought it too >> >>>> big and pricey >> >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since she has spent >> >>>> a good part of >> >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of things. Even >> >>>> lugged it along >> >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice) and had WiFi >> >>>> on ship and >> >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ?My experience after 40 years of marriage in August is just >> >>>> pony up the >> >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't try to >> >>>> influence her >> >>>>>>>> decision. That way if the one she gets is obsolete or has >> >>>> to be changed >> >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your fault. Note I said >> >>>>>>>> Shouldn't................. >> >>>>>>>> Cecil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might have specials >> >>>> on tablets as >> >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal promotions. You >> >>>> might want to look >> >>>>>>>>> into that. I am with AT&T and I know I just heard of a >> >>>> deal where if >> >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was free or >> >>>> real cheap. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal comes out >> >>>> just a few >> >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife?s iPhone... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> ?Something to be aware of is whether to get ?WIFI only ? >> >>>> or get one >> >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI only is good >> >>>> when you have >> >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI, cellular data can be used anywhere cel >> >>>> signal is >> >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just making sure you >> >>>> are aware. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Claude >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M > >>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ?Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it sounds like a >> >>>> newer Apple is >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are Windows based >> >>>> and sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones and so the >> >>>> tablet >> >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there feel. They >> >>>> work, but there >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific >> >>>> manufacturer supports >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have budget). Google >> >>>> wants to push the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at laptops and low >> >>>> powered >> >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can work but might >> >>>> be rough >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edges. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft surface >> >>>> line, it again is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay tablet when you >> >>>> detach the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot of the >> >>>> hardware lacks >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay >> >>>> extra for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts >> >>>> admit they are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. 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URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 17:56:01 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:56:01 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: Now, that's a match, pretty close anyway. Tractordata (again, not perfect but usually pretty good) shows the 3040 as '08-'17 and it shows the 250TL as the correct loader. I'd say the pic of the operator's manual is the dead giveaway. http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/4/7/6477-new-holland-boomer-3040.html SO On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 6:27 PM Indiana Robinson wrote: > My nephew responded... > They may have the wrong year listed? > > Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until > the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 > New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader > alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 > 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the > smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought > they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a > 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. > ****************************8 > I will send him Andy Glines information. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > >> First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland >> compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there >> with Deere and Kubota. >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: >> >>> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >>> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >>> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >>> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >>> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >>> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >>> >>> Phil in TX >>> >>> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >>> >>> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >>> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >>> hours on it. Very good condition... >>> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >>> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >>> just to see what one looks like. :-) >>> Anyone have any idea? >>> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Francis Robinson >>> aka "farmer" >>> Central Indiana USA >>> robinson46176 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurt.sharpe79 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 18:59:46 2020 From: kurt.sharpe79 at gmail.com (beaux jangles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:59:46 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> Message-ID: The new tractors are rebranded LS tractors. If you look at the manufacturer tag it will say made by LS tractor. Kubota is not. They make their own. I know that this is true for Case. Hope this helps. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up there > with Deere and Kubota. > > Jason > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one Cecil >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced up to >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. >> >> Phil in TX >> >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and 350 >> hours on it. Very good condition... >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google it >> just to see what one looks like. :-) >> Anyone have any idea? >> >> . >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deanvp at att.net Fri Apr 17 19:16:08 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) In-Reply-To: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <447242865.93413696.1587068934094.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of your ability and then let the brake lining finish the job. Brakes just aren't used that much on these old tractors. Just my humble opinion. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 1:29 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) That's a good question, Mark. I don't know how to answer that, but I don't think so just because there isn't much there to begin with (compared to an automotive drum). Besides: wouldn't I have to drill out the rivets in the center hole (holding the shaft on) to have it turned? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:52:04 -0500 From: Mark Johnson To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Is there enough 'meat' left on the drum that you could have it turned? IIRC JD brake drums aren't all that thick... Mark J _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 03:20:30 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 06:20:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] New fangled tractor question In-Reply-To: <1492904612.6729543.1587170776002.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <668cc6e2-9442-79e7-aeb6-cf53af34dd2e@basicisp.net> <1492904612.6729543.1587170776002.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: A little more digging around shows 3 different transmissions: gear, hydrostatic, and CVT "Easy Drive". I'd want to know which it has, and if it's the CVT, I'd want to know more about its reputation. SO On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:24 AM wrote: > You should be able to go to the auction site and ask them to clarify the > information in the listing, maybe ask them to supply a model/serial number. > I would be hesitant to bid on something that I wasn?t sure about. > > Is there any out is he bids on it and it?s not what it was supposed to be? > He may want to ask them that. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Indiana Robinson > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] New fangled tractor question > > My nephew responded... > They may have the wrong year listed? > > Well it is on auction online and I wont have access to the tractor until > the day before the auction ends on the 23th. The auction lists it as a 2007 > New Holland 250TI, but when I search that I get just the front end loader > alone. A pic of the Operator's Manual is for New Holland Boomer 3040 3045 > 3050. A pic of the tractor shows "Boomer" on the side, but I cant read the > smaller lettering from the photo. I looked at a new Boomer 40 and thought > they were the same. In looking for comparisons the closest I found is a > 2009 Boomer 3040. So maybe it is a Boomer 3040. > ****************************8 > I will send him Andy Glines information. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM Jason wrote: > > > First thing is to find out what New Holland it really is. The New Holland > > compact tractors are among the most popular compact tractors right up > there > > with Deere and Kubota. > > > > Jason > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 11:09 AM Phil Auten wrote: > > > >> Given Cecil Bearden's issues with the New Holland he has, I would > >> certainly be leery. I don't know how this tractor compares to the one > Cecil > >> has, but hour meters can be easily replaced and things can be spruced > up to > >> make them seem a lot better than they are. I am reminded here of the > >> stories my dad told me about one particular used car dealer back in the > >> late 50's and early 60's, and they weren't good. > >> > >> Phil in TX > >> > >> On 4/17/2020 6:49 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > >> > >> Got a question last night from a nephew about 4 states away about a fair > >> price to pay for a 2007 New Holland Boomer 40 with front end loader and > 350 > >> hours on it. Very good condition... > >> I explained that it was about 50 years too new for my knowledge base > >> :-) but told him that I would ask around. I'm going to have to google > it > >> just to see what one looks like. :-) > >> Anyone have any idea? > >> > >> . > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> > >> Francis Robinson > >> aka "farmer" > >> Central Indiana USA > >> robinson46176 at gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp:// > lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 18 10:16:51 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. Mike M On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been > guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there > could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown > reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause > higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose > or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing > an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. > Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to > get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could > be apart a little longer than the others. > > Dave M. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a > post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize > him on here as Mangus. > > Dave M > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam > > wrote: > > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a > thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with > exactly the same problem.? Knock piston 5.? You might follow > this thread to see if there was a solution > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice > shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might > be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? It has been > many years since I did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets > older tricks thing!!! > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > Cecil > > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the > proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be > leftover fuel that could change things on next compression > stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? > > Dave > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler > > wrote: > > I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm bore x > 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume is .547 > liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter.? > Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?? That adds > .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, > which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > SO > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman > > > wrote: > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing > or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less > compression because the piston wouldn't come up as > far.? Doug T > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But >> James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too >> short, it may change injector timing. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch >> > wrote: >> >> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >> > > wrote: >> >> Actually, did not check length of connecting >> rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But >> it's not traveling to close to the head as >> there would be damage showing. Just have this >> new concern about the wrong rod being put in >> by mistake, but that would have been short, >> not long. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M >> > >> wrote: >> >> When you had it apart, did you check all >> the piston,ring and bearing clearances? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had >>> this engine apart before and #5 had a >>> new piston and rod and bearings. The >>> seller said it was his father's tractor >>> since new and never been apart....he >>> lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than >>> you could imagine and obviously that >>> piston and rod and bearings had been >>> replaced and I thought they had been >>> chasing the noise. Unless there was some >>> other reason, but dont know. >>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help has a >>> Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that >>> has a 4 cylinder version of this motor >>> that appears identical except the number >>> of cyl's. He found the rod to be the >>> same except it a tweak shorter by an >>> almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 >>> or .010. Part number is almost the same >>> except last digit and now I'm wondering >>> if that could be someone's mistake. >>> Would shorter rod cause preignition? By >>> the way, there is no part number on the >>> rods so they would have to be accurately >>> measured. >>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before I can >>> get this back apart again, but hoping to >>> have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil >>> Bearden >> > wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my >>> experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on >>> down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com >>> wrote: >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if >>>> this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is >>>> moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you >>>> had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> >>>> >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email >>>> Discussion Group >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave >>>>> Maynard >>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have cracked injector lines one at >>>>> a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others?the >>>> engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about >>>> cylinder 5 is somehow different so >>>> that the compression is higher, and >>>> so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too >>>> much before top dead centre in just >>>> that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than >>>> the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Sat Apr 18 13:52:53 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:52:53 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <2BD8A492-D8D0-4BE1-8BC9-7A506C236F69@gmail.com> <422352851.1041963.1586153551591@mail.yahoo.com> <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but it worked! Lol Dave Maynard The Maple Hill Farm Marion, NY https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M wrote: > Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. > > Mike M > > > On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing > until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be > residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe > carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression > or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre > combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, > or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we > can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it > apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the > others. > > Dave M. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard > wrote: > >> The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my >> son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as >> Mangus. >> >> Dave M >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam >> wrote: >> >>> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on >>> tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. >>> Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a >>> solution >>> >>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>> >>> >>> >>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>> >>> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but >>> we have a couple things we are trying t... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < >>> crbearden at copper.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the >>> problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I >>> did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >>> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >>> Cecil >>> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? >>> Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could >>> change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the >>> knock? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: >>> >>> I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. >>> 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber >>> volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That >>> adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops >>> compression down to 18.4:1 >>> >>> SO >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >>> wrote: >>> >>> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >>> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >>> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >>> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >>> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >>> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>> >>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>> clearances? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> >>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding >>> that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except >>> the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak >>> shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number >>> is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be >>> someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there >>> is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. >>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: >>> >>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>> Cecil >>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>> head distress? >>> I would do a compression check as well. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Renton, WA. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roger Moffat >>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>> >>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>> >>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>> >>> >>> But only on #5? >>> >>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>> >>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>> >>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_1552331258667723648_m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 18 15:59:54 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Drum2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 704217 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ken.knierim at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 17:52:10 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:52:10 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: Not sure if it helps but for removing rust I'm using a needle scaler and it seems to be more effective than a wire brush and somewhat less likely to render the rust aerosol. I got it for knocking the slag off my arc welds. It's also pretty effective at making me deaf if I don't have my ear protection on. :) Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 4:39 PM STEVE ALLEN wrote: > Dean, > > I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. > It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to > clean the loose stuff off. > > I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and > work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here > requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake > job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) > > Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the > pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun > cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. > > Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch > makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a > mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's > real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. > > The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will > not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas > runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. > but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very > small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is > pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the > thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting > are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen > the bowl. > > Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. > > Ain't Old Iron fun? > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) > Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Steve, > > Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, > you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do > so > unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has > happened > to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you > describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide > some pictures. > > PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of > the > drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle > grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are > useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't > dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is > noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't > perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough > they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound > foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I > have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if > you > want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best > of_______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sat Apr 18 20:05:09 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 23:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <527011879.7296757.1587265509297.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Steve, The rust looks like it?s the kind that?s in layers (???). You can usually chip that kind of rust off by hitting it with a ball peen hammer, sometimes from the outside surface. The way it looks in the picture, new shoes wouldn?t last very long and you?re going to hear a lot of grinding. You may not be able to adjust the brake shoes to the point were you?ll have enough surface contact to actually stop properly. The idea I gave you about using double sided tape and sandpaper won?t work on anything that bad. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of From bradloomis at charter.net Sat Apr 18 20:39:20 2020 From: bradloomis at charter.net (bradloomis at charter.net) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:39:20 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <058901d615fc$1cd1ed30$5675c790$@charter.net> A co-worker had a needle gun he got when he was welding in the San Diego ship yards. Most DEAFinitly Deafening. But it does the trick. Bradford From: AT On Behalf Of Ken Knierim Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 5:52 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Not sure if it helps but for removing rust I'm using a needle scaler and it seems to be more effective than a wire brush and somewhat less likely to render the rust aerosol. I got it for knocking the slag off my arc welds. It's also pretty effective at making me deaf if I don't have my ear protection on. :) Ken in AZ On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 4:39 PM STEVE ALLEN > wrote: Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of_______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 18 21:00:27 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 00:00:27 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> Won't load for me Dave. Mike M On 4/18/2020 4:52 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me > find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and > knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything > and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further > with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors > made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on > a four cylinder version of this Kubota? engine and sent me the > attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve > spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at > the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, > haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back > from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to > attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but > it worked! Lol > > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M > wrote: > > Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative > thread. > > Mike M > > > On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been >> guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if >> there could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by >> yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion >> chamber which may cause higher compression or poor atomization. >> Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre combustion chamber. >> Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe >> even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we >> can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. >> Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could be apart a >> little longer than the others. >> >> Dave M. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard >> > wrote: >> >> The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That >> is a post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may >> recognize him on here as Mangus. >> >> Dave M >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam >> > wrote: >> >> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a >> thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with >> exactly the same problem. Knock piston 5.? You might >> follow this thread to see if there was a solution >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> >> >> >> >> >> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >> >> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in >> nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil >> Bearden > > wrote: >> >> >> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston >> might be the problem.? Steve O may have figured it out.? >> It has been many years since I did a compression >> analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >> Cecil >> >> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the >> proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there >> be leftover fuel that could change things on next >> compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler >> > wrote: >> >> I just worked out some math.? That engine is 87mm >> bore x 92mm stroke.? 23:1 compression.? Swept volume >> is .547 liter, giving?combustion chamber volume of >> .0238 liter.? Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too >> short?? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion >> chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression >> down to 18.4:1 >> >> SO >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >> > > wrote: >> >> The rod being too short can't change injector >> timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean >> less compression because the piston wouldn't come >> up as far.? Doug T >> >> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. >>> But James makes a good point to ponder, if the >>> rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Actually, did not check length of >>> connecting rod and its clearance from >>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to >>> close to the head as there would be >>> damage showing. Just have this new >>> concern about the wrong rod being put in >>> by mistake, but that would have been >>> short, not long. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> When you had it apart, did you check >>> all the piston,ring and bearing >>> clearances? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard >>> wrote: >>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone >>>> had this engine apart before and #5 >>>> had a new piston and rod and >>>> bearings. The seller said it was >>>> his father's tractor since new and >>>> never been apart....he lied! There >>>> was more RTV on oil pan than you >>>> could imagine and obviously that >>>> piston and rod and bearings had >>>> been replaced and I thought they >>>> had been chasing the noise. Unless >>>> there was some other reason, but >>>> dont know. >>>> ? ? ?My friend and mechanic help >>>> has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder >>>> version of this motor that appears >>>> identical except the number of >>>> cyl's. He found the rod to be the >>>> same except it a tweak shorter by >>>> an almost immeasurable amount, >>>> maybe .005 or .010. Part number is >>>> almost the same except last digit >>>> and now I'm wondering if that could >>>> be someone's mistake. Would shorter >>>> rod cause preignition? By the way, >>>> there is no part number on the rods >>>> so they would have to be accurately >>>> measured. >>>> ? ? ?It's going to be a bit before >>>> I can get this back apart again, >>>> but hoping to have this fixed in >>>> time to plow. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil >>>> Bearden >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> That was one of my thoughts, >>>> but my experience has been that >>>> the liner movement was a double >>>> "thud" once on down stroke and >>>> once on upstroke. >>>> Cecil >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, >>>> k7jdj at aol.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't >>>>> know if this engine even has >>>>> cylinder liners if it does and >>>>> that liner is moving you would >>>>> get click. Did you look >>>>> carefully at the head when you >>>>> had it off and look for any >>>>> sign of head distress? >>>>> I would do a compression check >>>>> as well. >>>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> Renton, WA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: Antique Tractor Email >>>>> Discussion Group >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 >>>>> noise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, >>>>>> Dave Maynard >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have cracked injector lines >>>>>> one at a time, and it gets >>>>>> quieter on #5 >>>>> >>>>> But only on #5? >>>>> >>>>> When you crack the others?the >>>>> engine misses, but the noise >>>>> remains? >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if something about >>>>> cylinder 5 is somehow >>>>> different so that the >>>>> compression is higher, and so >>>>> it?s igniting (pre-igniting) >>>>> too much before top dead >>>>> centre in just that cylinder? >>>>> >>>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher >>>>> than the other 4? >>>>> >>>>> Roger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <#m_1552331258667723648_m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soffiler at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 03:26:01 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:26:01 -0400 Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> Message-ID: Me neither. Error: Access to r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:00 AM Mike M wrote: > Won't load for me Dave. > > Mike M > > > On 4/18/2020 4:52 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a > solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on > here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning > things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other > pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just > today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this > Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to > my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you > click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you > there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my > laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted > video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, > but it worked! Lol > > Dave Maynard > The Maple Hill Farm > Marion, NY > > https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M wrote: > >> Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. >> >> Mike M >> >> >> On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >> >> By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing >> until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be >> residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe >> carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression >> or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre >> combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, >> or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we >> can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it >> apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the >> others. >> >> Dave M. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard >> wrote: >> >>> The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post >>> my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here >>> as Mangus. >>> >>> Dave M >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam < >>> tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on >>>> tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. >>>> Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a >>>> solution >>>> >>>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> M5700 'Knock' and other questions >>>> >>>> My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, >>>> but we have a couple things we are trying t... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < >>>> crbearden at copper.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the >>>> problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I >>>> did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! >>>> Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? >>>> Cecil >>>> On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? >>>> Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could >>>> change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the >>>> knock? >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. >>>> 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber >>>> volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That >>>> adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops >>>> compression down to 18.4:1 >>>> >>>> SO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause >>>> pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston >>>> wouldn't come up as far. Doug T >>>> On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good >>>> point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch wrote: >>>> >>>> Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from >>>> head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be >>>> damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in >>>> by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing >>>> clearances? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: >>>> >>>> No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 >>>> had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's >>>> tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on >>>> oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and >>>> bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. >>>> Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. >>>> My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is >>>> rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears >>>> identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same >>>> except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or >>>> .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm >>>> wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause >>>> preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would >>>> have to be accurately measured. >>>> It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but >>>> hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner >>>> movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. >>>> Cecil >>>> On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder >>>> liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you >>>> look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of >>>> head distress? >>>> I would do a compression check as well. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Renton, WA. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roger Moffat >>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group >>>> >>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 >>>> >>>> >>>> But only on #5? >>>> >>>> When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? >>>> >>>> I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the >>>> compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before >>>> top dead centre in just that cylinder? >>>> >>>> Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> <#m_-7504448141289623126_m_1552331258667723648_m_8915876887222976661_m_-1492703640572686617_m_7767314955428663431_m_-8610138368857045324_m_4006388287010896440_m_1943752252575946901_m_2085109996553918962_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macowboy at comcast.net Sun Apr 19 05:13:52 2020 From: macowboy at comcast.net (Jim Thomson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise In-Reply-To: References: <269232ac-3737-a4c3-497e-d3daa08a6408@gmx.com> <3f848913-ab37-b589-c879-8c9be8697d5a@accnorwalk.com> <37122bfd-15e7-6730-05d1-6e3bb870451c@copper.net> <2016461439.2276699.1586361512104@mail.yahoo.com> <21222055-084f-79b7-7535-0eb79be920d0@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1748911721.409485.1587298432582@connect.xfinity.com> I could see the video from my phone. Jim Thomson Rehoboth, MA > On April 19, 2020 at 6:26 AM Stephen Offiler wrote: > > Me neither. Error: > Access tohttp://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:00 AM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > Won't load for me Dave. > > > > Mike M > > > > > > On 4/18/2020 4:52 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but it worked! Lol > > > > > > Dave Maynard > > > The Maple Hill Farm > > > Marion, NY > > > https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative thread. > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong rod, just been guessing until we can get it in and apart. I wonder though if there could be residual fuel from an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre combustion chamber which may cause higher compression or poor atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we need to get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this time it could be apart a little longer than the others. > > > > > > > > > > Dave M. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as Mangus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave M > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam < tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Google search for kubota M5700 engine noise turns up a thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem. Knock piston 5. You might follow this thread to see if there was a solution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/413832-m5700-knock-other-questions.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M5700 'Knock' and other questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be the problem. Steve O may have figured it out. It has been many years since I did a compression analysis. Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!! > > > > > > > Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number?? > > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/8/2020 9:11 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By reducing compression, would ignition take place at the proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there be leftover fuel that could change things on next compression stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM Stephen Offiler < soffiler at gmail.com mailto:soffiler at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just worked out some math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept volume is .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short? That adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter, which drops compression down to 18.4:1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:02 PM Doug Tallman < dtallman at accnorwalk.com mailto:dtallman at accnorwalk.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rod being too short can't change injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just mean less compression because the piston wouldn't come up as far. Doug T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the piston is correct as we replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder, if the rod is too short, it may change injector timing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch < bohinch at gmail.com mailto:bohinch at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or the wrong Piston ( too short or tall ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, did not check length of connecting rod and its clearance from head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close to the head as there would be damage showing. Just have this new concern about the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but that would have been short, not long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M < meulenms at gmx.com mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you had it apart, did you check all the piston,ring and bearing clearances? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No sleeves in this engine. Someone had this engine apart before and #5 had a new piston and rod and bearings. The seller said it was his father's tractor since new and never been apart....he lied! There was more RTV on oil pan than you could imagine and obviously that piston and rod and bearings had been replaced and I thought they had been chasing the noise. Unless there was some other reason, but dont know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend and mechanic help has a Jacobson mower he's is rebuilding that has a 4 cylinder version of this motor that appears identical except the number of cyl's. He found the rod to be the same except it a tweak shorter by an almost immeasurable amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part number is almost the same except last digit and now I'm wondering if that could be someone's mistake. Would shorter rod cause preignition? By the way, there is no part number on the rods so they would have to be accurately measured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's going to be a bit before I can get this back apart again, but hoping to have this fixed in time to plow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil Bearden < crbearden at copper.net mailto:crbearden at copper.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was one of my thoughts, but my experience has been that the liner movement was a double "thud" once on down stroke and once on upstroke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cecil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, k7jdj at aol.com mailto:k7jdj at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cylinder liner loose. Don't know if this engine even has cylinder liners if it does and that liner is moving you would get click. Did you look carefully at the head when you had it off and look for any sign of head distress? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do a compression check as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renton, WA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger Moffat mailto:rogerkiwi at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 7:43 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota M5700 noise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Dave Maynard < dave at themaplehillfarm.com mailto:dave at themaplehillfarm.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have cracked injector lines one at a time, and it gets quieter on #5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But only on #5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you crack the others the engine misses, but the noise remains? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if something about cylinder 5 is somehow different so that the compression is higher, and so it?s igniting (pre-igniting) too much before top dead centre in just that cylinder? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eg #5 piston slightly higher than the other 4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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URL: From deanvp at att.net Sun Apr 19 09:26:11 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:00 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Dean, I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. Ain't Old Iron fun? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 19 10:38:39 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! In-Reply-To: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> References: <1939454420.94699623.1587250794343.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109@copper.net> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil On 4/19/2020 11:26 AM, deanvp at att.net wrote: > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:00 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > > Dean, > > I have attached a pic, but it may be too big--I don't remember the limit. It shows a patch of the worst surface. I have used a rotary wire brush to clean the loose stuff off. > > I have no intention of trying for perfection. I need the thing to run and work in the field. I don't know if the kind of roughness you see here requires more attention or not. I am spending a fair amount on this brake job, and I don't want to have to do it again any time soon ;-) > > Right now, I have also cleaned up the inside of the casting where the pedal shaft, the adjuster, the can, and the adjusting pins go. Shotgun cleaning brushes proved to be pretty effective. > > Been fighting the fuel and ignition systems today. I The ignitions switch makes contact only intermittently, and the distributor cap contacts are a mess, so new ones are on the way. The tractor has good compression: it's real tight to turn the pulley to get the points on the cam to set the gap. > > The fuel sediment bowl has me flummoxed. When I open the valve, it will not fill the bowl unless the bowl is loosened. Loosen the bowl so that gas runs out over the top, and it will fill the bowl and send gas to the carb. but have the bowl tight against the gasket, and it will just drip a very small amount, even with the valve wide open. It acts like the system is pressurized, even with the drain cock on the carb bowl open. I took the thing off and verified that all the passages in the sediment filter casting are open and free. Durned if I know why the gas won't run until I loosen the bowl. > > Thursday was a good day; today, not so much. > > Ain't Old Iron fun? > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:16:08 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (Mark Johnson) > Message-ID: <052401d61527$53aa5cf0$faff16d0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Steve, > > Congratulations on getting it all apart. That feels good doesn't it. Yes, you can get the brake drum turned and yes there is enough meat left to do so unless..... it has been turned before or something very unusual has happened to gouge the drum surface deeper than anything I have ever seen. Could you describe that drum surface in a little more detail and maybe even provide some pictures. > > PS: I''ve taken apart probably 20 or more brake assemblies and some of the drum have looked really ugly but all I have ever done is use a right angle grinder with a wire brush wheel and cleaned them up to the point they are useable. Sure they would be better if they were turned but..... we aren't dealing with a brake that is going 80 miles an hour. And sometimes it is noticeable when applying the brakes that the inside of the drum isn't perfect but... they do the job intended. And.... if they are used enough > they get better with every application. Maybe I'm penny wise and pound > foolish I've just never seen one so bad they need to be turned. Yes, if I have the money and time to fix every thing perfectly ...do it ....but if you want a perfectly good working tractor brake clean the drum up to the best of > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From simon419 at acsalaska.net Sun Apr 19 13:52:02 2020 From: simon419 at acsalaska.net (simon419 at acsalaska.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:52:02 -0400 Subject: [AT] Steve allen sediment bowl Message-ID: <1587329522.twriaa7vuogskgwg@mymail.acsalaska.net> Steve, If the float bowl in the carb is full there is no flow required from the sediment bowl as this part of the? system is full. Loosen the float bowl and see if the fuel flows properly. Art Hotchkiss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sun Apr 19 16:58:10 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 19 17:03:11 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:03:11 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <211b14bd-f5cd-aa02-64bf-f4088d8c3895@copper.net> Maybe the drain on the carb is plugged up. Cecil On 4/19/2020 6:58 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 19 17:16:39 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:16:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates In-Reply-To: <2515df27-806e-3cc7-ba0e-d279be1810f4@basicisp.net> References: <2515df27-806e-3cc7-ba0e-d279be1810f4@basicisp.net> Message-ID: <43842206-1141-41C5-9FF9-6604D25D468C@rdfarms.com> Just a quick update on this: I got the starter clutch two weekends ago and got it on. Success! Now the engine turns with the starter. However I was still getting just weak pops from the exhaust. However, it was not firing against itself and making all sorts of noise like most engines when you have the timing off. Just some weak pops. But in my heart of hearts it really sounded like a timing issue. However, being a solid-state bike the only way you can screw up timing is to reverse coil wires or have a bad computer. So I checked and I had the wiring exactly as the manual described. I had a few few marginal resistance readings on the computer/igniter, so I got a used one off of eBay just to doublecheck. Still no difference. Checked the primary/secondary resistance of both coils and even put my spark tester on. It all looks good. I finally decided I had to follow my instincts and I reversed the wiring on the coils. Runs like an champ. Lesson: if you ever have a 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD, the manual is dead wrong on coil wiring. Ancillary lesson: Make a note of the wiring when you disassemble it and don?t just cavalierly say ?oh I?m sure the manual has it - I don?t need to mark them?. Been taking it on ever-longer test runs. It?s runs pretty nice - I?m really pleased. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Phil Auten wrote: > > ? > Wow! I'd say you were lucky it didn't come apart the last time you rode it. Hope you find the part cheap. > > Phil in TX > > > On 4/5/2020 4:55 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >> Fly wheel puller came in Friday so I got the flywheel/rotor off. Pulled the starter clutch assembly from behind the rotor and sure enough : two big cracks. >> >> I guess I?ll hit up eBay and see what I can find. >> >> Spencer >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: >>> >>> ?So I mentioned a little while back that I was doing a valve lash adjustment on my 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. It is been awfully hard to start, and valve adjustment is a common culprit. I?m glad I did it because the adjustments were definitely out though I could tell they were not so far out to affect starting to a degree its been happening. So I started looking for other explanations. I seem to have spark and had the smell the fuel on spark plugs. So I didn?t think it was fuel or spark. I then did a compression test: For a 30-year-old bike it?s got startlingly nice compression. 135 both sides cold with no oil. But I also noticed that it took 15-20 seconds of starter time to actually get the four or five compression strokes you need to get a max reading. Hmmm. That?s suspicious. >>> >>> So while the alternator crankshaft ?peep-hole? cover was off so I could rotate the crankshaft for the valve adjustment, I took a look see at how fast the starter was spinning the engine. The engine wasn?t spinning at all except about every 5-10 seconds it would catch and turn over once. Clearly the starter clutch was slipping. This would explain why I had better luck roll starting it than using the starter. But the engine is big enough and I?m small enough that I need a pretty big hill to roll start it and that just isn?t viable where I live or wherever I might stop so I have to fix it to be in ?riding? condition. >>> >>> So I took this opportunity to order a few things on eBay like flywheel puller and a fuel petcock that this bike desperately needs. They should be coming in a few days. My guess when I get it disassembled is to find weak springs in the clutch. >>> >>> The goal is to have this bike starting and running smooth before the covid-19 zombie comes to get me so I can out-run it. :-) >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Sun Apr 19 18:57:43 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <658691385.7856133.1587347863645.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Sun Apr 19 19:27:05 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:27:05 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <658691385.7856133.1587347863645.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <658691385.7856133.1587347863645.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain.? Then check the flow out of the drain...? If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl.?? Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... Cecil On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Sun Apr 19 19:44:55 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:44:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> Message-ID: <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that will fit in the drain. Then attach a clear plastic tube to the barb. Route the tube upward and secure then open the fuel petcock. Look at the level of gasoline in the tube. That level should fall short of the base (actually the bottom of the gasket between the base and bowl) by the exact specification mentioned for your carburetor. After having dealt with a lot of floats that have been completely mangled by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the only measurement that seems to work. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain. Then check the flow out of the drain... If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl. Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... > Cecil > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: STEVE ALLEN >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! >> >> Dean and Cecil, >> >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. >> >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. >> >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. >> >> Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. >> >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. >> >> Thanks for all the help so far! >> >> The "original" Steve Allen >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 >> From: >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Steve, >> >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . >> >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. >> >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? >> >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. >> >> Dean VP >> Apache Junction, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 >> From: Cecil Bearden >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine >> without inline filters. >> Cecil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Sun Apr 19 21:01:47 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:01:47 -0400 Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black Message-ID: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs the valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as this is a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped steel and a gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on them as the upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read where I should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the gasket maker start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them down, in this case 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says to tighten them right down. *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening bolts. Re-torque will not be necessary."** * Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what method did you use? Thanks, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Mon Apr 20 04:25:14 2020 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:25:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black In-Reply-To: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> References: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> Message-ID: <734f8b20-2590-ef83-365f-d71b2459c114@accnorwalk.com> Mike, I would recommend a Permatex product called "the right stuff". It is an anerobic rubber and is far superior to silicone. It is available in caulk gun tubes or a spray can lke cheese whiz. I use the caulk gun tubes at the shop. A little pricier but it works good. I can't remember the last time I bought silicone at the shop since starting to use this.? Doug T On 4/20/2020 12:01 AM, Mike M wrote: > This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag > zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs > the valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as > this is a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped > steel and a gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on > them as the upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read > where I should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the > gasket maker start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them > down, in this case 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says > to tighten them right down. > > *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, > surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble > parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening > bolts. Re-torque will not be necessary."** > * > Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over > tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what > method did you use? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Mon Apr 20 06:12:46 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black In-Reply-To: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> References: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1414769634.8063905.1587388366398.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Mike, I?ve used the RTV several times when I didn?t want to bother getting a new gasket, or when I just couldn?t wait for one. On critical installations I?ve followed the RTV instructions and applied a bead and then basically finger tight until the RTV oozed out. Issue here is that you need to get even pressure to get an even thickness. After it cures snug the bolts up. Also, it?s important to have all surfaces clean of oil and grease to make sure you gets good bond to both surfaces. For non critical installations, you can torque the bolts to spec, it really doesn?t take a lot to form a seal. When you apply the RTV make sure you apply it completely around all the bolt holes so that you don?t develop leaks at any of the bolts. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: Antique tractor email discussion group Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs the valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as this is a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped steel and a gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on them as the upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read where I should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the gasket maker start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them down, in this case 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says to tighten them right down. *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening bolts. Re-torque will not be necessary."** * Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what method did you use? Thanks, Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From soffiler at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 07:16:15 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:16:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: That's a neat trick Spencer! Archiving that one... SO On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:45 PM Spencer Yost wrote: > It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that will fit in > the drain. Then attach a clear plastic tube to the barb. Route the > tube upward and secure then open the fuel petcock. Look at the level of > gasoline in the tube. That level should fall short of the base (actually > the bottom of the gasket between the base and bowl) by the exact > specification mentioned for your carburetor. > > After having dealt with a lot of floats that have been completely mangled > by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the only measurement > that seems to work. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden > wrote: > > > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire > up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain. Then check the flow out > of the drain... If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain > hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment > bowl. Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of > the line... > > Cecil > > > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where > the needle valve is being plugged??? > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: STEVE ALLEN > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > >> > >> Dean and Cecil, > >> > >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > >> > >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl > will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More > will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, > the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. > That's why I am so confused. > >> > >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more > on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the > numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took > the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect > on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and > otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > >> > >> Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had > heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if > my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get > the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill > a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't > want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > >> > >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51. > >> > >> Thanks for all the help so far! > >> > >> The "original" Steve Allen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > >> From: > >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Steve, > >> > >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean > enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is > somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe > lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > >> > >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are > the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again > but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the > grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > >> > >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. > In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the > float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that > carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I > usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to > fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you > have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in > its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the > sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the > bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock > before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > >> > >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it > and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think > on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't > fill. But I have been there done that. > >> > >> Dean VP > >> Apache Junction, AZ > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> Message: 8 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > >> From: Cecil Bearden > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > >> without inline filters. > >> Cecil > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Mon Apr 20 07:25:55 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:25:55 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <1beef9dd-86a4-ba1a-d69d-fc32ee8dbe15@copper.net> Good trick Spencer!!? I guess the newer generation would call that a Hack!!!? My old mentor would call that his trade secret!! I sure miss that old guy.? He started out in the Blacksmith shop at 14yrs old.? Had only a 6th grade education, but could make anything run that came on the place.? I had the good fortune to work alongside this fellow when I was 14 also.? I worked with him while going to college until he retired 6 years later. The man was like a Grandfather to me.?? I suppose that is why I learned mechanics as well as I did. Cecil On 4/20/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > That's a neat trick Spencer!? Archiving that one... > > SO > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:45 PM Spencer Yost > wrote: > > It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that > will fit in the drain.? ?Then attach a clear plastic tube to the > barb.? ? Route the tube upward and secure then open the fuel > petcock.? Look at the level of gasoline in the tube.? ?That level > should fall short of the base (actually the bottom of the gasket > between the base and bowl) by the exact specification mentioned > for your carburetor. > > After having dealt with a lot of floats that have? been completely > mangled by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the > only measurement that seems to work. > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden > > wrote: > > > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and > stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain.? > Then check the flow out of the drain...? If you only get a drip > out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the > restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl.? ?Remove > the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... > > Cecil > > > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net > wrote: > >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or > dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: STEVE ALLEN > > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net > ) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > >> > >> Dean and Cecil, > >> > >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > >> > >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb > bowl--that makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the > needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck > closed.? The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is > loose enough for gas to run out the top of it.? More will run out > there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel line is clear, the > screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places.? > That's why I am so confused. > >> > >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about > this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we > decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last > year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been > revised to say it is a '49).? Anyway, we took the new electric > impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those > remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and > otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a > trice.? Literally three minutes, and all were out. > >> > >> Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I > had heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the > 7.? Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and > apply more heat and get the others.? Since the tractor is so close > to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get > the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to > try to move the tractor at that point.? I didn't want to have to > rebuild my cribbing. > >> > >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope > the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel > and the brakes for the '51. > >> > >> Thanks for all the help so far! > >> > >> The "original" Steve Allen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > >> From: > > >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > >>? ? > > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Steve, > >> > >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side > of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just > needs to clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The > only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the > drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > >> > >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. > These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them > from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface.? > ?Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of > the moving parts have been covered. > >> > >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment > bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is > sticking closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb > will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel > flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably > already full.? Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the > carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the > bowl.? If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you > have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle > sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor > bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in > turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous > since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not > residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > >> > >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into > the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by > lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem > temporarily. And I will think on it.? ?Its been awhile since I've > had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there > done that. > >> > >> Dean VP > >> Apache Junction, AZ > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> Message: 8 > >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > >> From: Cecil Bearden > > >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the > housing that > >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen > out and > >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas > engine > >> without inline filters. > >> Cecil > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AT mailing list > >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > >> > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 20 08:01:35 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1beef9dd-86a4-ba1a-d69d-fc32ee8dbe15@copper.net> References: <115d40c3-fdd8-06a0-1294-d83681d22012@copper.net> <2086FB2F-6E34-4B2C-B4E0-126F88DA6352@rdfarms.com> <1beef9dd-86a4-ba1a-d69d-fc32ee8dbe15@copper.net> Message-ID: <569089340.3539131.1587394895175@mail.yahoo.com> NEAT IDEA!Thanks Spencer.David On Monday, April 20, 2020, 10:26:16 AM EDT, Cecil Bearden wrote: Good trick Spencer!!? I guess the newer generation would call? that a Hack!!!? My old mentor would call that his trade secret!!?? I sure miss that old guy.? He started out in the Blacksmith shop at 14yrs old.? Had only a 6th grade education, but could make anything run that came on the place.? I had the good fortune to work alongside this fellow when I was 14 also.? I worked with him while going to college until he retired 6 years later. The man was like a Grandfather to me.?? I suppose that is why I learned mechanics as well as I did.? Cecil On 4/20/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: That's a neat trick Spencer!? Archiving that one... SO On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:45 PM Spencer Yost wrote: It?s a bit of a pain, but try to find a little brass barb that will fit in the drain.? ?Then attach a clear plastic tube to the barb.? ? Route the tube upward and secure then open the fuel petcock.? Look at the level of gasoline in the tube.? ?That level should fall short of the base (actually the bottom of the gasket between the base and bowl) by the exact specification mentioned for your carburetor. After having dealt with a lot of floats that have? been completely mangled by previous owners, I have found occasionally this is the only measurement that seems to work. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?I would pull the drain plug out of the carburetor bowl and stick a wire up it to make sure nothing is blocking the drain.? Then check the flow out of the drain...? If you only get a drip out of the fuel bowl, and the drain hole is clear, then the restriction is between the needle and the sediment bowl.? ?Remove the gas line from the carburetor and check the flow out of the line... > Cecil > >> On 4/19/2020 8:57 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Fuel flowing, float not stuck, is the needle valve stuck or dirt where the needle valve is being plugged??? >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: STEVE ALLEN >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! >> >> Dean and Cecil, >> >> The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. >> >> As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places.? That's why I am so confused. >> >> While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice.? Literally three minutes, and all were out. >> >> Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others.? Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. >> >> Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. >> >> Thanks for all the help so far! >> >> The "original" Steve Allen >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 >> From: >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" >>? ? >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="utf-8" >> >> Steve, >> >> Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . >> >> After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface.? ?Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. >> >> Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? >> >> But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it.? ?Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.? But I have been there done that. >> >> Dean VP >> Apache Junction, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 >> From: Cecil Bearden >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! >> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that >> would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and >> cut the line and install an inline filter.? 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URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Mon Apr 20 09:58:11 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:58:11 -0400 Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black In-Reply-To: <1414769634.8063905.1587388366398.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <97f7e949-e66c-7868-37dd-e40d1ddbe280@gmx.com> <1414769634.8063905.1587388366398.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Sounds good guys thanks! Sounds like the original is a design flaw, so maybe "The Right Stuff" is the way to go. Mike M On 4/20/2020 9:12 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Mike, > > I?ve used the RTV several times when I didn?t want to bother getting a new gasket, or when I just couldn?t wait for one. > > On critical installations I?ve followed the RTV instructions and applied a bead and then basically finger tight until the RTV oozed out. Issue here is that you need to get even pressure to get an even thickness. After it cures snug the bolts up. Also, it?s important to have all surfaces clean of oil and grease to make sure you gets good bond to both surfaces. > > For non critical installations, you can torque the bolts to spec, it really doesn?t take a lot to form a seal. > > When you apply the RTV make sure you apply it completely around all the bolt holes so that you don?t develop leaks at any of the bolts. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:01:47 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [AT] Permatex Ultra Black > > This could be old tractor related, so I don't feel bad. I have a Scag > zero turn with a Kohler 7000 series engine. After a whopping 200 hrs the > valve cover gaskets started to leak. There is an upgrade kit, as this is > a known issue, that is composite and uses O-rings vs stamped steel and a > gasket. I'm going to try some Permatex Ultra Black RTV on them as the > upgraded versions cost about 100 bucks all told. I've read where I > should tighten the screws loosely just enough to make the gasket maker > start to ooze out, then wait an hour and torque them down, in this case > 44-66 in/lbs. According to Permatex's site it says to tighten them right > down. > > *"Apply a continuous and even bead of silicone to one surface, > surrounding all bolt holes. Remove excess with knife at once. Assemble > parts immediately. Do not squeeze out silicone by over tightening bolts. > Re-torque will not be necessary."** > * > Says nothing about torquing them in the first place, just not to over > tighten, kind of ambiguous. Has anyone used this stuff, and if so what > method did you use? > > Thanks, > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Mon Apr 20 13:09:11 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:09:11 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> Steve, I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping only when the brake pedal is depressed. . Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Lets start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a needle and seat that isn't opening! If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Mon Apr 20 13:24:13 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:24:13 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> Message-ID: <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A wire will not go directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug. When you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you happen to check the drain plug operation? Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of deanvp at att.net Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Steve, I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping only when the brake pedal is depressed. . Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a needle and seat that isn't opening! If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged sediment bulb fixture. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean and Cecil, The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so confused. While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. Literally three minutes, and all were out. Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for the '51. Thanks for all the help so far! The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. But I have been there done that. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without inline filters. Cecil _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 13:55:48 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> Message-ID: <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> Dean, The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads so you still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that is looking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor). Brian > On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked > if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain > cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain and > screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the end of the > screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for the opening to > drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A wire will not go > directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas to the needle and seat > and you know the seat is opening and still not getting gas out the > carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the carburetor bowl and find > out what is wrong with the drain plug. When you had the carburetor bowl off > to change the needle and seat did you happen to check the drain plug > operation? > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of deanvp at att.net > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS > on the '49 A wheels! > > Steve, > > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture looks like > the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a surface > perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with the shaft? Or > trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is the surface shown the > inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? > Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular to > the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that surface isn't > critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the shaft or the inside of > the barrel side that is important. The surface the brake shoe linings rub > against to provide friction for stopping only when the brake pedal is > depressed. . > > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel > run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is fills > up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it doesn't > then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug in the > carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged sediment bulb > fixture. > > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. > > Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from the > carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our > of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a > needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to the > carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the answer is > yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged sediment bulb > fixture. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS > on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that makes no > difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have verified that > they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment bowl will fill is if > it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of it. More will run out > there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel line is clear, the screens > and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the right places. That's why I am so > confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some more > on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, but the > numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). Anyway, we took > the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it would have any effect > on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I heated, pounded on, and > otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had heated it > some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. Tuesday, if my plans > hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. > Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole in the > cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, but I was NOT > going to try to move the tractor at that point. I didn't want to have to > rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the info > above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the brakes for > the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the face of > the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to clean enough to > remove really major surface issues. The only side that is somewhat > sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the brake shoe lining rubs > against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their respective > holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These are the parts I > put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get > grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but > make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl fills > up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking closed. In a > properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill up because the float > probably is shutting off fuel flow to the carburetor because that carburetor > bowl is probably already full. Therefore you have an airlock. I usually > loosen the carburetor drain a little and let some fuel run out to fill the > bowl. If no fuel comes out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a > carburetor float that is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its > seat. Once some fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment > bulb should fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is > full is kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure > its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening it > and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on > it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. > But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that would > prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and cut the > line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine without > inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Mon Apr 20 18:56:20 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:56:20 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> Brian, I hope we don't confuse Steve. All I remember is if I turn the lever clockwise the screw goes in and opens the valve. If I turn it counter clockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think. But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up two DLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA. A day ago I had one in my hand. It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confuses me every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I have been through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then I remember how the valve works. Steve will tell us which way it is. Thanks for trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimes is a full time job. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragt Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean, The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads so you still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that is looking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor). Brian > On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked > if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain > cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A > wire will not go directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug. When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation? > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Steve, > > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? > Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. . > > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel > run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. > > Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our > of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a > needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had > heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. > Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get > grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but > make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on > it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. > But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Apr 20 19:08:30 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:08:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> Message-ID: I checked one before I replied. It does seem like you turn it clockwise to drain it because you are above the carburetor looking down on the upside down valve, but if you turn your head upside down to look at it, it is counterclockwise to drain.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: deanvp at att.net Date: 4/20/20 9:56 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 21 06:20:37 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> References: <1608668444.95165124.1587340690028.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <01d301d6174f$8fbf4320$af3dc960$@att.net> <023d01d61751$a95f6740$fc1e35c0$@att.net> <1115804619.1120390.1587416149685@connect.xfinity.com> <003201d61780$0ee6d570$2cb48050$@att.net> Message-ID: <1015470577.8811096.1587475237706.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise. When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall. I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close), you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: deanvp at att.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Brian, I hope we don't confuse Steve. All I remember is if I turn the lever clockwise the screw goes in and opens the valve. If I turn it counter clockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think. But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up two DLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA. A day ago I had one in my hand. It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confuses me every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I have been through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then I remember how the valve works. Steve will tell us which way it is. Thanks for trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimes is a full time job. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragt Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Dean, The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads so you still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that is looking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor). Brian > On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor could be blocked > if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock. The drain > cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it. A > wire will not go directly up the hole If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug. When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation? > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Steve, > > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside of the side of the barrel? > Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical. It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. . > > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue. What isn't clear to me is does the fuel > run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up? Does it flow freely? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb. > > Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freely our > of the end of the gas line? If so then you have a plugged carburetor or a > needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! > > Dean and Cecil, > > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run. > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference. Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed. The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it. More will run out there than will drip out of the carb. The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places. That's why I am so confused. > > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today. Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49). > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long. Hey, Presto! it spun them all out in a trice. > Literally three minutes, and all were out. > > Then, I figures, what the hey? let's try the other wheel. I had > heated it some but not nearly as much. We got 2 out of the 7. > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply more heat and get the others. > Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side. Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point. I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing. > > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards. I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51. > > Thanks for all the help so far! > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700 > From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Steve, > > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. . > > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rusting again but not get > grease on the brake shoe surface. Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but > make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed. In a properly sealed system the sediment bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full. > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl. If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat. Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure its just not residue from when you were filling up the bulb? > > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I will think on > it. Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill. > But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP > Apache Junction, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500 > From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! > Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters. > Cecil > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From bvandragt at comcast.net Tue Apr 21 09:13:31 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:13:31 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <1015470577.8811096.1587475237706.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Okay, you guys must have aftermarket backwards valves. I've been a mechanical engineer for 23 years and I know my clockwise from counterclockwise, left hand from right hand threads, and open versus closed valves. It looks like I am the only one looking at an actual drain valve instead of making assumptions or going from memory. I have attached a picture of my drain valve removed from the carburetor and you can clearly see the left hand threads on the stem versus the right hand pipe thread that mounts it into the bowl. I would make a video of it operating if I had a third hand. It is counterclockwise to open and clockwise to close, looking at the handle end. I just didn't want somebody to break their handle off turning it the wrong way, but I guess everybody should drain their carburetors at their own risk.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: szabelski at wildblue.net Date: 4/21/20 9:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise.When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall.I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close),? you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise.Carl----- Original Message -----From: deanvp at att.netTo: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT)Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian VanDragt To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Okay, you guys must have aftermarket backwards valves. I've been a mechanical engineer for 23 years and I know my clockwise from counterclockwise, left hand from right hand threads, and open versus closed valves. It looks like I am the only one looking at an actual drain valve instead of making assumptions or going from memory. I have attached a picture of my drain valve removed from the carburetor and you can clearly see the left hand threads on the stem versus the right hand pipe thread that mounts it into the bowl. I would make a video of it operating if I had a third hand. It is counterclockwise to open and clockwise to close, looking at the handle end. I just didn't want somebody to break their handle off turning it the wrong way, but I guess everybody should drain their carburetors at their own risk.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: szabelski at wildblue.net Date: 4/21/20 9:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise.When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall.I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close),? you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise.Carl----- Original Message -----From: deanvp at att.netTo: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT)Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From philkelley at windstream.net Tue Apr 21 11:33:24 2020 From: philkelley at windstream.net (Phillip Kelley) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:33:24 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info regarding tractors and other skills. The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA Phil Kelley - GA From hank at millerfarm.com Tue Apr 21 12:00:25 2020 From: hank at millerfarm.com (Henry Miller) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:00:25 -0500 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <595c4ed9-d94e-49c4-be7c-e83c210380d1@www.fastmail.com> Old computers will not boot from a USB drive, you might need to write a CD to boot from. I have that problem with some of my old computers. -- Henry Miller hank at millerfarm.com On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, at 13:33, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both Rufus > and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the project to > my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go through all > the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb drive doesn't > boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From soffiler at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 12:05:51 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:05:51 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not the expert Phil but I did manage to complete this task recently and it's still pretty fresh. Here's what I did: - On a Win10 machine, I downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (64 bit) - Same machine, I downloaded Balena Etcher - Put in a freshly reformatted thumb drive (at least that's what I did. Format not Quick Format) - run Etcher At the end of the above process, the thumb drive was bootable on my laptop, and ready to continue with the installation. I played around a bit and finally decided to partition my existing hard drive. I still have one application I need that runs under XP (for now; I am making arrangements to do that task a different way in the future). Once I don't need XP at all, the plan is to pull the HD and install an SSD and re-install Linux. SO On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:33 PM Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium. I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD. I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive. Attempts to make it bootable failed using both Rufus > and Etcher because they don't support Vista. So I moved the project to > my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again. It appears to go through all > the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb drive doesn't > boot . Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated. TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Tue Apr 21 12:36:24 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! In-Reply-To: <20200421161349.6741321B5A@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> References: <20200421161349.6741321B5A@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <1394433199.9059130.1587497784373.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Well today was the day to start the Cub up after finally getting it all back together over the last 3 - 4 months. Took the battery off of the charger and connected it to the Cub. Put in a gallon of gas and hit the starter.... nothing. Charger indicated battery was taking a charge over the last week and was fully charged. Checked it with a volt meter and it only read about 1 volt. Looked at the tag on the side of the battery and saw that it was made in Oct 06. That and having sat for a couple of years didn?t sound like it was worth bothering with. So I ordered a new one which I?ll pick up in the next hour. Interesting thing is that I went to shut the gas off, and the bowl was basically empty, just a little gas in the bowl and a very slow drip. Thought about all the resent postings and dropped the bowl. Gas flowed in (dripped) a little faster, but the bowl would not fill all the way up. Pulled the shut off valve out expecting gas to run out, nothing. Took the sediment bowl assembly off of the gas tank, lots of gas now on the garage floor since I couldn?t catch it all. Reinstalled the shut off valve and blew into the end of the assembly and could hear air coming out were the gas enters the bowl. Removed the shut off valve and shoved a drill bit down into the end that threads into the gas tank, it didn?t come through. Tried a smaller drill bit, same thing. Took a drill bit that was just slightly smaller than the opening, and drilled into the threaded end until I could see the drill at the shut off valve opening. Gave it a good wrap on the bench and a slug of semi-solid gunk came out. Put everything back together, reinstall it, put in a gallon of gas, opened the shut off valve and the gas flowed like it was supposed to and filled the bowl. Might be the same problem that?s been being discussed for the last few days. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian VanDragt To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! Okay, you guys must have aftermarket backwards valves. I've been a mechanical engineer for 23 years and I know my clockwise from counterclockwise, left hand from right hand threads, and open versus closed valves. It looks like I am the only one looking at an actual drain valve instead of making assumptions or going from memory. I have attached a picture of my drain valve removed from the carburetor and you can clearly see the left hand threads on the stem versus the right hand pipe thread that mounts it into the bowl. I would make a video of it operating if I had a third hand. It is counterclockwise to open and clockwise to close, looking at the handle end. I just didn't want somebody to break their handle off turning it the wrong way, but I guess everybody should drain their carburetors at their own risk.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: szabelski at wildblue.net Date: 4/21/20 9:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS ? on the '49 A wheels! You have to think about the valve from the inside of the bowl, not the outside. If you look from the inside to the outside, you want the plugging end of the valve to move towards the bowl wall. That means that the plugging end rotates clockwise, just like a bolt/screw with standard right hand threads. That means that from the outside the threaded stem is rotating counterclockwise.When you?re opening the drain you rotate the stem clockwise which means the plugging end is rotating counter clockwise and is moving away from the wall.I?ve seen previous discussions about the plug being left hand thread versus right hand thread, there is no left hand thread on these valves. If you want to do a sanity check, thread a nut unto a bolt and turn the bolt by the threaded end while looking at the nut. In order the get the bolt head to contact the nut (close),? you have to rotate the threaded end of the bolt counter clockwise.Carl----- Original Message -----From: deanvp at att.netTo: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT)Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!Brian,I hope we don't confuse Steve.? All I remember is if I turn the leverclockwise the? screw goes in and opens the valve.? If I turn it counterclockwise the valve closes. Just the opposite of what you would think.But, I don't have a carburetor available check that. I just packed up twoDLTX-10 carburetors and a Magneto to take with me back to WA.? A day ago Ihad one in my hand.? It's possible I have it backwards. I know it confusesme every time I need to open the carburetor drain valve. Even though I havebeen through it many times. It's intuitively; backwards to me. Then Iremember how the valve works.? Steve will tell us which way it is.? Thanksfor trying to keep me on the straight and narrow. At my age that sometimesis a full time job.Dean VPApache Junction, AZ-----Original Message-----From: AT On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:56 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESSon the '49 A wheels!Dean,The drain cock works as you described, but they have left hand threads soyou still turn them clockwise to close and counterclockwise to open (that islooking up at it from the bottom of the carburetor).Brian> On April 20, 2020 at 4:24 PM deanvp at att.net wrote:> > > I forgot to mention that the drain cock of the carburetor? could beblocked> if gas flows good to the carburetor but not out the drain cock.??? Thedrain> cock is the reverse of normal. You screw it in (CW) to open the drain > and screw it out(CCW) to close it. Think of it having a bulb on the > end of the screw shaft and you need to move the bulb away and up for > the opening to drain or having to pull the bulb down to close it.? A > wire will not go directly up the hole? If you know you are getting gas > to the needle and seat and you know the seat is opening and still not > getting gas out the carburetor bowl drain plug then? just remove the > carburetor bowl and find out what is wrong with the drain plug.? When > you had the carburetor bowl off to change the needle and seat did you > happen to check the drain plug operation?> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of > deanvp at att.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:09 PM> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Steve,> > I may be getting senile in my old age but yes I agree the picture > looks like the inside of the drum but which surface is it?? Is it a > surface perpendicular to the shaft or a surface that is parallel with > the shaft?? Or trying another way. Think of the drum as a barrel. Is > the surface shown the inside of the bottom of the barrel or the inside ofthe side of the barrel?> Unless I am seeing things the picture shows me a surface perpendicular > to the shaft and the inside of the bottom of a barrel. If so that > surface isn't critical.? It is the surface that is parallel to the > shaft or the inside of the barrel side that is important. The surface > the brake shoe linings rub against to provide friction for stopping > only when the brake pedal is depressed. .> > Carburetor/sediment bulb issue.?? What isn't clear to me is does the fuel> run out of the carburetor fuel bowl drain when the sediment bowl is > fills up?? Does it flow freely?? If yes everything is copasetic. If it > doesn't then the needle and seat isn't opening up, or there is a plug > in the carburetor gas inlet or a plugged gas line or a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Let's start over. Let's work backwards to the sediment bulb.> >? Does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line is disconnected from > the carburetor and when the sediment bulb fills up does the gas run freelyour> of the end of the gas line??? If so then you have a plugged carburetor ora> needle and seat that isn't opening! > > If the answer is No does the sediment bulb fill up if the gas line to > the carburetor is disconnected from the sediment bulb fixture?? If the > answer is yes you have a plugged gas line. If No you have a plugged > sediment bulb fixture.> > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE > ALLEN> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:58 PM> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + > PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels!> > Dean and Cecil,> > The pic shows the INSIDE of the drum, where the brake shoes run.? > > As for the carb, I have the drain cock open on the carb bowl--that > makes no difference.? Also, I replaced the needle-and-seat, and I have > verified that they are not stuck closed.? The only way the sediment > bowl will fill is if it is loose enough for gas to run out the top of > it.? More will run out there than will drip out of the carb.? The fuel > line is clear, the screens and gaskets are all new, clean, and in the > right places.? That's why I am so confused.> > While waiting on the new distributor cap and thinking about this fuel > headache, my boy and I cut grass today.? Then, we decided to work some > more on the '49 A wheels I wrote about last year (I labeled it a '48, > but the numbers apparently have been revised to say it is a '49).? > Anyway, we took the new electric impact out to the shed to see if it > would have any effect on those remaining lug bolts on the wheel I > heated, pounded on, and otherwise cussed so long.? Hey, Presto! it spunthem all out in a trice.> Literally three minutes, and all were out.? > > Then, I figures, what the hey?? let's try the other wheel.? I had > heated it some but not nearly as much.? We got 2 out of the 7.? > Tuesday, if my plans hold, we'll get the torch out there and apply moreheat and get the others.> Since the tractor is so close to the shed wall, I had to drill a hole > in the cedar siding to get the impact on the left side.? Unorthodox, > but I was NOT going to try to move the tractor at that point.? I > didn't want to have to rebuild my cribbing.> > Anyway, the weekend has had its challenges and rewards.? I hope the > info above helps folks understand the situation with the fuel and the > brakes for the '51.> > Thanks for all the help so far!> > The "original" Steve Allen> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> Message: 7> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:26:11 -0700> From: > To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"> > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <019901d61667$3f6aba50$be402ef0$@att.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Steve,> > Having a little trouble figuring out if that is the back side of the > face of the drum or not but that particular surface just needs to > clean enough to remove? really major surface issues. The only side > that is somewhat sensitive is the inside surface of the drum that the > brake shoe lining rubs against when activated to stop. .> > After cleaning all loose parts should rotate and slide in their > respective holes with very little finger pressure, No friction. These > are the parts I put anti-seize grease on to try oi keep them from rustingagain but not get> grease on the brake shoe surface.?? Be somewhat skimpy with the grease but> make sure all surfaces of the moving parts have been covered. > > Does the fuel run out of the carburetor bowl when the sediment bowl > fills up? If not the carburetor float needle and seat is sticking > closed.? In a properly sealed system the sediment? bulb will not fill > up because the float probably is shutting off fuel flow to the > carburetor because that carburetor bowl is probably already full.? > Therefore you have an airlock. I usually loosen the carburetor drain a > little and let some fuel run out to fill the bowl.? If no fuel comes > out of the carburetor fuel bowl then you have a carburetor float that > is sticking or a carburetor needle sticking in its seat.? Once some > fuel comes out of the carburetor bowl drain the sediment bulb should > fill up. Now having that in turn drip or leak when the bulb is full is > kind of incongruous since you had an air tight air lock before. Sure itsjust not residue from when you were filling up the bulb?> > But..... if none of that makes sense and you can get fuel into the > carburetor bowl and you can get the sediment bowl to fill by lessening > it and the tractor will run ignore the problem temporarily. And I willthink on> it.?? Its been awhile since I've had to deal with a bowl that won't fill.> But I have been there done that. > > Dean VP> Apache Junction, AZ> > -----Original Message-----> Message: 8> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:38:39 -0500> From: Cecil Bearden > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!!> Message-ID: <2fd2cd68-7248-182d-4fa7-d3b230819109 at copper.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed> > I have had a rusty screen on top of the bowl, inside the housing that > would prevent gas from going through.?? I just pull the screen out and > cut the line and install an inline filter.? I don't run any gas engine > without inline filters.> Cecil> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 13:04:32 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] OT - Linux revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f@gmail.com> Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Tue Apr 21 17:09:03 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 18:04:01 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402@mail.yahoo.com> Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 18:06:35 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <978218795.579397.1587517441402@mail.yahoo.com> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <978218795.579397.1587517441402@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244@mail.yahoo.com> Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerpolkaman at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 20:05:50 2020 From: tylerpolkaman at gmail.com (Tyler Juranek) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) Message-ID: Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From deanvp at att.net Tue Apr 21 23:34:54 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Wed Apr 22 13:17:21 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** From jahaze at aol.com Wed Apr 22 13:49:14 2020 From: jahaze at aol.com (Joe Hazewinkel) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:49:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <376EF2B5-204C-4AC7-B0B9-B53838C79F50@aol.com> Is the gas cap on too tight or the hole plugged? On my cub I used to have to loosen the cap when running so the gas would keep flowing. Once I got a new gas cap things worked great. Enjoy, Joe Sent via mobile device > On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:17 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > ?I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: > On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA > On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:15:07 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:15:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) In-Reply-To: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: > On Apr 21, 2020, at 8:09 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . Does it make a difference if the cap is on or off the tank? i.e. could the tank be vacuum locked with the cap on preventing flow? Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szabelski at wildblue.net Wed Apr 22 15:29:14 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <136674418.9925570.1587594554064.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Fresh our of ideas to answer the fuel problem except to guess that maybe, just maybe, the new assembly is not an exact replacement for your tractor(???). If you still have the old assembly do a one-to-one comparison and see if there?s something different/missing, like a small hole someplace. I?ve seen assemblies that required a detent button the be pushed, or a small screw to be turned, to bleed air out of the system in order to get fuel flowing. Doubt if that is your issue though. As far as the tire rim, yes you can put different width tires on a rim, within limits. What is important is the bead diameter. You may notice more side wall bulge with a narrower rim, and you may have to up the pressure in order to get the tire to look like the tire with the wider rim. I can put three tire widths on my Cubs rims. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one > of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, > and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall > before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes > ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the > inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread > your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary > tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface > somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface > was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work > had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl > has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I > do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen > inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and > the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being > brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I > took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and > the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, > there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain > cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing > something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad > news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past > several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on > the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From dean at vinsonfarm.net Wed Apr 22 17:25:33 2020 From: dean at vinsonfarm.net (Dean Vinson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:25:33 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose Message-ID: <000e01d61905$b4f515e0$1edf41a0$@vinsonfarm.net> Hello, all. Any pro tips on how to keep the clutch cover in place on a 620? It's just a press-fit situation. The cover has a lip around the edge, mostly curled over but with three "flat spots" 120 degrees apart. They align with three spring clips attached to the inside of the pulley. Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak. But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around. Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again. I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak.? ?But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around.? Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again.?I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover.? ?Dean VinsonSaint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dean at vinsonfarm.net Wed Apr 22 18:37:36 2020 From: dean at vinsonfarm.net (Dean Vinson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:37:36 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose In-Reply-To: <20200423003341.E98E021B33@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> References: <000e01d61905$b4f515e0$1edf41a0$@vinsonfarm.net> <20200423003341.E98E021B33@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <002201d6190f$c4ed7af0$4ec870d0$@vinsonfarm.net> Oh, well that would explain it? so much for my natural mechanical intuition. :) Thanks! Dean Vinson Saint Paris, OH From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian VanDragt Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:34 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose The flat spots on the cover are clearance for the adjusting nuts. The flat springs should snap over the curled edge. Brian -------- Original message -------- From: Dean Vinson > Date: 4/22/20 8:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose Hello, all. Any pro tips on how to keep the clutch cover in place on a 620? It's just a press-fit situation. The cover has a lip around the edge, mostly curled over but with three "flat spots" 120 degrees apart. They align with three spring clips attached to the inside of the pulley. Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak. But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around. Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again. I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover. Dean Vinson Saint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bvandragt at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 19:18:18 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:18:18 -0400 Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose In-Reply-To: <002201d6190f$c4ed7af0$4ec870d0$@vinsonfarm.net> Message-ID: It will go on pretty hard. I use a dead blow hammer. I use a stiff putty knife and hammer to get them off.Brian? -------- Original message --------From: Dean Vinson Date: 4/22/20 9:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose Oh, well that would explain it?? so much for my natural mechanical intuition.?? :)?Thanks!?Dean VinsonSaint Paris, OH?From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian VanDragtSent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:34 PMTo: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose?The flat spots on the cover are clearance for the adjusting nuts. The flat springs should snap over the curled edge.Brian?-------- Original message --------From: Dean Vinson Date: 4/22/20 8:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: [AT] JD 620 clutch cover keeps working loose ?Hello, all.? Any pro tips on how to keep the clutch cover in place on a 620??It's just a press-fit situation.?? The cover has a lip around the edge, mostly curled over but with three "flat spots" 120 degrees apart.?? They align with three spring clips attached to the inside of the pulley.?? Everything looks good and uniformly shaped and not beat up or broken or weak.? ?But two or three times over the past couple years I've had to carefully reinstall it, tapping gradually with a rubber mallet to get it to seat fully all the way around.? Looks fine for a while but then it always slowly works loose again.?I had the tractor out this evening for some rear-blade work on a little lane I'm trying to fix up, and it worked and sounded and looked great as usual... but you can see that missing clutch cover.? ?Dean VinsonSaint Paris, Ohio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Wed Apr 22 19:25:27 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:25:27 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans Message-ID: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Hi all, Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From walking_tractor at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 19:48:46 2020 From: walking_tractor at yahoo.com (Yahoo Mail) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 02:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <933271993.113367.1587610126093@mail.yahoo.com> Mike,I'm over by Paw Paw (just west of Kalamazoo) and we've been having a bunch of out of control fires lately.? People trying to burn leaves and brush especially during windy conditions.? Ya well.... ? The reasoning behind the ban is, as I understand, to keep the fire dept. volunteers safe by not having to be in close contact fighting unnecessary fires.? The fewer times they have to go out the safer they should be.? And yes, you have a point that it is generally safer to burn off brush now rather than July or August and the farmers around here have a real bunch to deal with this time of year from pruning the fruit trees and grape vines.David On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:25:41 PM EDT, Mike M wrote: Hi all, Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arr44 at suddenlink.net Wed Apr 22 19:49:18 2020 From: arr44 at suddenlink.net (Alan Riley) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:49:18 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <6dca0ac8-06fc-0534-29a9-12f01869dbf4@suddenlink.net> We have had a burn ban in effect in Louisiana for about a month. The state here gave as it's reasons that the smoke might have a negative effect on people with existing respiratory conditions thus possibly making them more susceptible to the virus and also that a fire could possibly get out of hand taking first responders away from more important duties. Alan in Louisiana On 4/22/2020 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: > Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind > this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From moscowengnr at outlook.com Wed Apr 22 20:13:33 2020 From: moscowengnr at outlook.com (Dennis Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 03:13:33 +0000 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: Mike, This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. Dennis Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: > > ?Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind > this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From hrududu at sopris.net Wed Apr 22 20:38:30 2020 From: hrududu at sopris.net (Hrududu@sopris.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:38:30 -0600 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. Greg > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: > > ?Mike, > > This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. > > Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. > > Dennis > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >> >> ?Hi all, >> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >> this? >> >> Mike M >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Wed Apr 22 21:24:32 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:24:32 -0700 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <710545114.96902117.1587586641017.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <143f01d61927$17841780$468c4680$@att.net> Try the gas flow test with the gas cap off. Sounds like you are ok on the drum. Some how I'm not up to date on the wheel issue but usually a they will fit on both size rims but if one rear is 10" and the other is 11" there will be noticeable difference in profile and may cause you to wich you hadn't done it. Primarily a cosmetic issue but the wheels diameter is going to be slightly different too. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 1:17 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) I appreciate very much all the time people are taking to answer my questions! Tyler, you may be on to something. David, that's a great idea, but no such provision on this model. Dean, I completely disassembled the sediment bowl unit to ensure it was not plugged up--unlikely, anyway, since it is brand new. And, yes, I have had both its valve and the carb bowl drain open at the same time. That's what's maddening. It should be one, long, open passage. I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I have been running my '49 A since 1984 (and the '47 B before that), so I *thought* I had these basic things figured out. I had never had a brake unit apart, of course, but I have cleaned up and put kits in carbs and such things. Almost all the work I've done WITH the tractors has been with a brush hog, so I am green (sorry) at the ag stuff. I just don't get what's happening with this particular fuel system. I wish the sediment bowl casting that came with the tractor had not broken: it flowed gas. On the brake drum: the shoes were not worn away: the rivets were a long way from being exposed. They were dirty and cracked--no doubt ready to crumble, but there were no grooves from exposed rivets. There was a shallow but perceptible ridge where the shoes didn't ride, but my grinding/sanding work has really reduced it. Brief update on the '49: I *may* have found a wheel. It is 10" not 11", but I am told (I've never swapped tires in this fashion before) that the 11.2 tire will work on either rim. Is that true? The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 Send AT mailing list submissions to at at lists.antique-tractor.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com You can reach the person managing the list at at-owner at lists.antique-tractor.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT - Linux revisited (cgs) 2. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) 3. Re: 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (Yahoo Mail) 4. 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(deanvp at att.net) (deanvp at att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:04:32 -0400 From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Linux revisited Message-ID: <0bd0ac9c-c727-43a6-e15c-bafdc900901f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Repeat: my post to the Linux Mint Forum, a friendly bunch: On 4/21/20 2:33 PM, Phillip Kelley wrote: > I have been a lurker here for many years and gained much valuable info > regarding tractors and other skills. > > The recent thread about installing Linux on an old laptop has prompted > me to dust off an old HP dvb6t running 32 bit Windows Vista Home > Premium.? I have successively cloned and replaced the hard drive to a > 240 GB SSD.? I then downloaded Linux Mint 19.3 (32 bit) ISO to a new > 64GB thumb drive.? Attempts to make it bootable failed using both > Rufus and Etcher because they don't support Vista.? So I moved the > project to my Win 10 laptop and tried Rufus again.? It appears to go > through all the steps but ends with an error message and the thumb > drive doesn't boot .? Am I making this to complicated? > > Any advice would be appreciated.? TIA > > Phil Kelley - GA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_050.png Type: image/png Size: 44342 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <919742017.96392313.1587514143208.JavaMail.zimbra at centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <978218795.579397.1587517441402 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:06:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo Mail To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <1257987604.588635.1587517595244 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Oopsy.? Next to last sentence should have read in part "save the engine when it ran out of OIL".Sorry 'bout that.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:04:01 PM EDT, Yahoo Mail wrote: Steve,?Something finally came to me.? To back up a little bit, I am by no means a JD expert, not even a little bit.? I understand that least some of the 2 cylinders had an oil pressure operated valve in the sediment bowl assembly.? If so then the engine would need to run to let fuel flow. The tractor starts on what is in the carb until oil pressure builds up.? It was a safety valve type setup to save the engine when it ran out of fuel.? At least that's how it was described to me.David On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:09:13 PM EDT, STEVE ALLEN wrote: OK, guys.? I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it.? Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean:? the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride.? Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside.? I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it.? I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff.? Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride.? The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower.? I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas.? 1)? The drain cock is fine:? it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it.? 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock.? The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean.? the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile.? 3)? The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed.? 4)? I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen.? I used air to verify that all passages were free.? Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl.? I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop.? Bad news.? They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel.? There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A.? Per the A Parts manual:? JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice.? Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several.? I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure:? my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:05:50 -0500 From: Tyler Juranek To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: #'ea JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the #'di A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Steve, I am going to chime in with my $0.02. I do not know if this can help, but I will try anyway. On my Oliver 88, (I have since sold it) the sediment bowl was a pain in the rear when I would take it off to clean now and then. The last time I had to do it, that bowl would just drip, drip, drip and barely fill when I turned the valve on. I would crank it over, and it would kind of "burp" itself, and then somehow it would start, run, and I never had a problem after that, and it always filled. So I wonder if this is kind of like what you're experiencing? Just a thought. Take Care! Tyler Juranek IA On 4/21/20, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another > one of my own. > > '51 A: > Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. > Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all > free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will > not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. > > To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the > shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw > as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting > it. I misread your question. > > I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a > rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth > the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't > ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth > of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. > > I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't > hesitate to sing out! > > Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb > bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know > because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain > cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the > needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is > free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my > breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off > and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used > air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be > an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. > > I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be > missing something. . . . > > '49 A: > Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. > Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. > There's just not enough good bead left. > > So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A > Parts > manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). > > I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. > > Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. > Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten > past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a > field on the other side ;-) > > One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:34:54 -0700 From: To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'" Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) Message-ID: <08d401d61870$23575ca0$6a0615e0$@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve; I'm getting close to being stumped. What does this mean: I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen? Are you referring to the sediment bulb assembly? Answer this question relative to the gas sediment bulb. If you leave the carburetor drain valve open you still have to loosen the sediment bulb to get gas to flow and then when the bulb fills up then you can tighten the bulb and then gas will run out of the carburetor drain valve? I still don't think we are on the same page about what surface we are talking about on the drum. If I understand you correctly the old brake linings wore into the drum (inside wall of the barrel) and left a ridge is that correct? Not seen that ridge as often as the rivets wearing grooves into the drum when the brake lining gets too thin. Too big of grooves and ridges are why drums are turned. If you want to turn the drums you don't need to remove the shafts. The machinist will use the shaft to turn the drum. The new linings will find a new home based on the drum. If the new linings hit a ridge that is where the first lining wear will be but that will happen very rapidly and then the lining will start making full contact with the rest of the drum.. Even if the inside of the drum, where the lining rubs, is a little rusty/rough it will smooth out after a while. The linings are pretty tough. When you do get the brakes on and the tractor running be gently with the brakes for a while and let them rub with a light pressure and you will feel the roughness and after a few sessions like that you will notice the brakes smooth out. Don't be too generous with the grease. You don't want that to get on the brake linings. Just a film. The brakes will get hot if used heavily and you don't want that grease running around inside there. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) OK, guys. I will try to answer all questions, and then I have another one of my own. '51 A: Got the brake unit back together today but ran out of time to mount it. Lots of anti-seize on the pins, cam, and spinny parts to keep it all free, and grease in the shaft at the bearing surfaces so that it will not gall before the rear-end oil gets to it. To answer Dean: the surface was the inside of the drum, where the shoes ride. Sorry, but the outside of the drum sometimes looks as raw as the inside. I didn't mean to imply you were somehow not getting it. I misread your question. I started with an air gun to remove the scaly stuff. Then, we used a rotary tool with a stone wheel and also some crocus cloth to smooth the surface somewhat and to lower the ridge where the shoes didn't ride. The surface was not perfect by any means, but an hour's worth of rotary and hand work had it looking much better and the ridge much lower. I *think* it will be adequate; if anyone sees a fatal objection, don't hesitate to sing out! Gas. 1) The drain cock is fine: it will run gas out when the carb bowl has gas in it. 2) The needle and seat aren't stuck; I know because, when I do get gas to the carb, it will run out the drain cock. The brass screen inside the gas inlet is clear and clean. the needle and seat are new, and the float is mobile. 3) The line is free and clear; in addition to being brand new, I blew it out with my breath, and it was not obstructed. 4) I took the filter casting off and disassembled it, removing the valve core and the screen. I used air to verify that all passages were free. Summary, there *should* be an open passage all the way from the tank to the drain cock, but gas only flows if I loosen the seal at the sediment bowl. I think I have answered all the questions, but I sure seem to be missing something. . . . '49 A: Got both wheels off today and took a trip into town to the tire shop. Bad news. They can save one but not the other, even with the donor wheel. There's just not enough good bead left. So I need a 11 x 38" pressed steel wheel for the '49 A. Per the A Parts manual: JD # AA3861 (sub for JD1260R). I would appreciate ANY leads, but, of course, the closer to MO the better. Guys, I really appreciate all the help, all the suggestions, all the advice. Every time you help me over a wall, another looms, but we've gotten past several. I look forward to the day when the last wall reveals a field on the other side ;-) One thing is sure: my son is getting an education, too. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com ------------------------------ End of AT Digest, Vol 27, Issue 24 ********************************** _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rogerkiwi at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 03:47:05 2020 From: rogerkiwi at gmail.com (Roger Moffat) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:47:05 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 04:30:32 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:30:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > ? > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >> >> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgogol1971 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 04:35:52 2020 From: cgogol1971 at gmail.com (Carl Gogol) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:35:52 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> Message-ID: <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> In NY our annual burn ban runs from March till May 15, unless it is extended due to drought. By May 15 there is usually enough green new growth up through last year's dead growth that a fire has difficulty spreading in wild areas. In NY outdoor burns are generally prohibited except for small cooking fires. The exception is agricultural burns in certain low population townships. Even then there are restrictions on the maximum diameter to be burned and it should be exhausted before discontinuing supervision. I'm thinking that it should be extinguished before dark,, but I'm not sure. Carl Manlius NY -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Mike M Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:25 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group Subject: [AT] Burn bans Hi all, Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 05:09:42 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:09:42 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every out-of-state plate. The officers would simply remind the occupants that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day quarantine was mandatory. So the border wasn't really closed, but many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth Amendment. This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer homes in March. And then there's the golfer story. Three men from MA crossed the RI border to play golf. That's a non-work reason. They met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates. For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. Fourth Amendment? https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf BOY are we ever off-topic. SO On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have > closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property > They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area > > Bob > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: > > ? > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson > wrote: > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there > vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps > will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > > It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking > the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer > medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. > > Roger > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? Mike M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 05:33:49 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:33:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32774712-D716-4E61-A6EE-27789CAACEFF@hvc.rr.com> Steve Just made a wrong turn I guess? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote: > > ? > Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every out-of-state plate. The officers would simply remind the occupants that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day quarantine was mandatory. So the border wasn't really closed, but many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth Amendment. This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer homes in March. And then there's the golfer story. Three men from MA crossed the RI border to play golf. That's a non-work reason. They met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates. For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. Fourth Amendment? > > https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf > > BOY are we ever off-topic. > > SO > >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: >> They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property >> They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area >> >> Bob >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> >>> It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. >>> >>> Roger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobbyguilbeau at att.net Thu Apr 23 05:42:06 2020 From: bobbyguilbeau at att.net (bobbyguilbeau at att.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:42:06 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have Bobby Guilbeau Chief Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA 70585 Evangeline Parish, Louisiana 337-461-2962 Office From: AT On Behalf Of Stephen Offiler Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:10 AM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every out-of-state plate. The officers would simply remind the occupants that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day quarantine was mandatory. So the border wasn't really closed, but many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth Amendment. This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer homes in March. And then there's the golfer story. Three men from MA crossed the RI border to play golf. That's a non-work reason. They met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates. For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. Fourth Amendment? https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf BOY are we ever off-topic. SO On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > wrote: They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that area Bob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat > wrote: ? On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson > wrote: One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations from taking the virus up north to the people living there where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU beds etc. Roger _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cecil On 4/23/2020 7:24 AM, drgerber at bright.net wrote: > In OH we can only bury after 6pm. Don't understand why either. Makes no > sense to me. > > Dave Gerber; Allen County OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of Mike M > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:25 PM > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > Subject: [AT] Burn bans > > Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, and > the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire state. I > know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have a question > for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time of the year? > I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on burning it in early > spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to burn, but will apparently > have to burn it when conditions are dryer, giving way to uncontrolled > spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 05:51:26 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> Message-ID: If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first responders' are out there protecting the crops. On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > Greg > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >> >> ?Mike, >> >> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >> >> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >> >> Dennis >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi all, >>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>> this? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 05:56:21 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 07:56:21 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> Message-ID: <58a70086-b308-dd10-7041-0031c65e73c7@copper.net> Here in OK, we have not had decent burn weather for the last 5 years.? For 30 years we burned our trash in a big concrete culvert.? During a burn ban 20 years ago my Dad burned some bedding from a sheep and caused a storage trailer to burn up costing me at least $20k in lost spare parts. ? Our wind here has been so unpredictable that burning is just not feasible? anymore. I bought an old municipal tree chipper to shred? the trees & brush I need to clear out.? I hope that after it composts a couple of years, that I can spread it with a manure spreader and get some kind of soil nutrition out of it. Cecil On 4/23/2020 7:42 AM, bobbyguilbeau at att.net wrote: > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas > are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire > departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems > for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to > limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and > further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And > of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would > pass on the virus as well. > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would > have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for > a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has > been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of > problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to > respond to the Monroe area last week. > > So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and > attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control > and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and > property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > > P.O. Box 120 > > Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 > > Evangeline Parish, Louisiana > > 337-461-2962 Office > > scan0229 > > *From:* AT *On Behalf Of > *Stephen Offiler > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:10 AM > *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans > > Gov Gina Raimondo (D-RI) made national news when she "closed" the RI > borders, stationing State Police and National Guard at the borders, at > first pulling over every New York plate, and not long after, every > out-of-state plate.? The officers would simply remind the occupants > that RI had an executive order in place, requiring anyone from > out-of-state coming into RI for non-work reasons that 14-day > quarantine was mandatory.? So the border wasn't really closed, but > many people saw it as overreach and some invoked the Fourth > Amendment.? This occurred immediately after the permanent residents of > the beachfront communities (RI has something like 400 miles of > coastline) started to notice the New Yorkers occupying their summer > homes in March.? And then there's the golfer story.? Three men from MA > crossed the RI border to play golf.? That's a non-work reason.? They > met a RI resident friend at a McDonald's, left the car with MA plates > there, and went to the golf course with the friend and his RI plates.? > For some reason (I still wonder about this) the McD's employees called > the police, and when they returned, they were arrested and charged > with a misdemeanor.? Fourth Amendment? > > https://turnto10.com/news/local/three-massachusetts-men-charged-with-violating-ri-executive-order-to-play-golf > > BOY are we ever off-topic. > > SO > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 AM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com > > wrote: > > They did something similar in NY. Lake Placid and the towns around > it have closed Bed and Breakfast and rental property > They didn?t want people from high infection areas coming into that > area > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Roger Moffat > wrote: > > ? > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Johnson > > > wrote: > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot > go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the > extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for > health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > It?s also about keeping the people from the sicker populations > from taking the virus up north to the people living there > where there are far fewer medical resources - hospital and ICU > beds etc. > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:56 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote: _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 06:01:52 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:01:52 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> Message-ID: <9daf987d-d656-774c-6172-23832d3f3adc@copper.net> About 5 years ago I had to call our fire department when I had a baler fire.? I really felt bad about having to get them out on Sunday afternoon.?? They worked hard in the heat to get it put out quickly.? I had to get the 3 yd loader out to cover up one bale that just would not go out.? 2 hours work and never got a bill for it.? I just would not want to cause them any unnecessary work.. This is Tornado season here, and we just lost a life in the southern part of the state last night with a tornado.? These guys have enough work without me causing them any more... Cecil On 4/23/2020 7:51 AM, cgs wrote: > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power > given/mandated to them during this crisis, they are not doing their > leadership jobs. No one is perfect; none of us really knows how to > react to the pandemic. We do know that crowds are fertile fields for > the virus, and that 'first responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have Bobby Guilbeau Chief Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA 70585 Evangeline Parish, Louisiana 337-461-2962 Office -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 06:25:41 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 09:25:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: > > Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the > obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as > well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, > if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely > dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being > cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in > California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for > their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. > Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still > hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. > Yeah, sure. > > Bradford. > > *From:* AT *On Behalf Of > *bobbyguilbeau at att.net > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM > *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas > are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire > departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems > for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to > limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and > further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And > of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would > pass on the virus as well. > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would > have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for > a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has > been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of > problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to > respond to the Monroe area last week. > > So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and > attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control > and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and > property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > > P.O. Box 120 > > Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 > > Evangeline Parish, Louisiana > > 337-461-2962 Office > > scan0229 > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 06:43:04 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:43:04 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> Message-ID: <2e355e63-996d-6523-2ef5-3a01973a4b31@copper.net> In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep > that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >> >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in >> California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others >> for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is >> absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are >> also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they >> want back. Yeah, sure. >> >> Bradford. >> >> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas >> are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire >> departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems >> for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And >> of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >> would pass on the virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has >> been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >> respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of >> life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> >> P.O. Box 120 >> >> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> scan0229 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep > that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >> >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in >> California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others >> for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is >> absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are >> also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they >> want back. Yeah, sure. >> >> Bradford. >> >> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas >> are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire >> departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems >> for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And >> of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >> would pass on the virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has >> been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >> respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of >> life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> >> P.O. Box 120 >> >> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> scan0229 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bobbyguilbeau at att.net Thu Apr 23 07:11:42 2020 From: bobbyguilbeau at att.net (bobbyguilbeau at att.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 09:11:42 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> Message-ID: <008c01d61979$1f7707c0$5e651740$@att.net> And red wine is good for the heart and soul?? Stay safe everyone Thanks Brad, I fall I the high risk as well. But then so does most of the folks in Louisiana, we tend to eat way to much?lol From: AT On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans All B.S. aside, Red Wine is loaded with anti-inflammatory compounds. Inflammation creates an immune response. With the virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get. I am going to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles. We used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO and stock up every trip... Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have Bobby Guilbeau Chief Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA 70585 Evangeline Parish, Louisiana 337-461-2962 Office _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential > business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Cecil > > On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: >> Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep >> that wine flowing. >> >> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >>> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >>> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >>> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >>> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >>> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential >>> in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to >>> others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives >>> is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers >>> are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say >>> they want back. Yeah, sure. >>> >>> Bradford. >>> >>> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >>> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >>> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >>> >>> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >>> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some >>> areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) >>> leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >>> >>> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing >>> problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >>> >>> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >>> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >>> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? >>> And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >>> would pass on the virus as well. >>> >>> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >>> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >>> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >>> >>> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state >>> has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >>> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >>> respond to the Monroe area last week. >>> >>> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >>> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >>> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation >>> of life and property?. >>> >>> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >>> >>> Bobby Guilbeau >>> >>> Chief >>> >>> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >>> >>> P.O. Box 120 >>> >>> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >>> >>> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >>> >>> 337-461-2962 Office >>> >>> scan0229 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> Charlie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: cgs To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first responders' are out there protecting the crops. On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > Greg > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >> >> ?Mike, >> >> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >> >> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >> >> Dennis >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi all, >>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>> this? >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie From soffiler at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 08:23:07 2020 From: soffiler at gmail.com (Stephen Offiler) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:07 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <2e355e63-996d-6523-2ef5-3a01973a4b31@copper.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <024b01d6196f$68246c10$386d4430$@charter.net> <2e355e63-996d-6523-2ef5-3a01973a4b31@copper.net> Message-ID: Come on, Cecil, that's an easy one: remember Prohibition? I'll go on record as saying that cold beer at the end of the day is real nice and I'd be a little less happy if deprived. SO On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:49 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: > In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential > business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Cecil > On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that > wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: > > Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. > It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The > idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse > gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high > risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, > as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can > to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing > money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field > workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say > they want back. Yeah, sure. > > Bradford. > > > > *From:* AT > *On Behalf Of * > bobbyguilbeau at att.net > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM > *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are > getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire > departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for > folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit > interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short > staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening > the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as > well. > > > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have > normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire > watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been > hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The > state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe > area last week. > > > > > > So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to > not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having > enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. > > > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > > > > > > > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > > > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > > P.O. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 10:07:40 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's lifted. Mike M On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From deanvp at att.net Thu Apr 23 10:57:33 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp at att.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:57:33 -0700 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <6dca0ac8-06fc-0534-29a9-12f01869dbf4@suddenlink.net> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> <6dca0ac8-06fc-0534-29a9-12f01869dbf4@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1be001d61998$ab274810$0175d830$@att.net> I'm not back in WA yet to see if they have a burn ban in place but I would sincerely doubt it since it still rains so much in the spring. There are two reasons for burn bans. One is fire prevention the other is for air quality. We have burn bans in the winter due to the fireplaces and wood stoves dumping too much stuff into the heavy air. But there is also a strange phenomenon we also see in WA but more so in CA. If there is an usual amount of rain in the winter there are more plants and grass growing in the Spring. Then in the summer everything goes dead and becomes a fire hazard. Here in AZ this winter we have had more rain than usual and even this spring so all the plants and flowers are out in force. Unfortunately it has set off the worst allergy season in the 14 years we have been coming down here. The scary part is the symptoms mimic Covid-19 at times. We have had our first infection and death due to Covid-19 in our small little gated retirement community of 280 homes. Fortunately no further infections that we know about after 3 weeks. Dean VP Apache Junction, AZ -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Alan Riley Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:49 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans We have had a burn ban in effect in Louisiana for about a month. The state here gave as it's reasons that the smoke might have a negative effect on people with existing respiratory conditions thus possibly making them more susceptible to the virus and also that a fire could possibly get out of hand taking first responders away from more important duties. Alan in Louisiana On 4/22/2020 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: > Hi all, > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I > have a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the > wettest time of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the > intent on burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I > need to burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are > dryer, giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the > reasoning behind this? > > Mike M > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 11:20:21 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:20:21 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <768ecb62-d7c5-ca57-1d40-e7647fda70df@copper.net> Prior to this virus, I sold off some 15 head of calves and was waiting to get a count of which cows had calves and what I needed to sell.? I had over 50 at that time and want to get down to 20 head of mother cows.? Within 10 to 14 days I had an additional 15 calves born.? We had just bought $7500 of hay since I had not baled enough last year due to losing a lease I had for the last 10 years.? I then bought another $4000 of hay to get through the winter until the price came back up in the spring.? At that time cows with calves were bringing $750/pr.? For a short time calves came back up to $1.65/lb and I tried to get help to sort them out.? Everyone was busy and it started raining.? Now, calves are at $1.10/lb the packing plants are shut down,? no one here has enough money to buy 1/4 or 1/2 of a beef and pay for processing. and I am now sitting on 76 cows and calves at the last count this morning.? Cow Calf pairs are at $850 yesterday.? I have about enough hay to last a month.? Pasture is very short, I sowed wheat in the pasture last fall and hit 25 acres with 150lbs/acre of 46-0-0 just before a rain and a week later turned them in on the growth.? The $600 in fertilizer saved me about 1200 in hay...? We got a good rain last night, hopefully the sun will get the grass & some wheat back to growing..??? I forgot profit 3 months ago, I am just trying to keep from losing.? Cattle ranchers are almost in the same boat as the oil patch.. Cecil On 4/23/2020 9:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 23 11:44:24 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Good question, Joe, and I checked it out: left the gas cap off, and it made no difference. Too much rain at the moment to get much done, and I am in the office the rest of the week, anyway. By the way, I *must* apologize for my goof in not deleting the mass of unnecessary quotations yesterday, thus cluttering up the digest and making it incomprehensible. I usually grumble about that sort of thing, and so it is only just that I grumble about my own goof. I shall assign myself due penance. I drive a couple hours to pick up a decent wheel from a salvage/parts house on Saturday. I hope this means I can have the '49 A on its feet by the next weekend. Most of the wheels I found were eaten up. We've had discussions of fluid on ATIS before. All I can say is that, if I ever have to use fluid, I will pay extra not to use something corrosive. It is disheartening to watch the rims dissolve before your eyes. Dean Vinson: I have used a pair of pliers to pull the slots on the cover open a bit, essentially enlarging the diameter, to help keep them in place. I almost lost the cover a couple times in the field. Given the number of tractors I see without covers, I suspect the problem is pretty common. The "original" Steve Allen From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 23 12:14:25 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 15:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1024111318.10625629.1587669265403.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> If available in your area, beet juice is good for filling tires. It doesn?t freeze solid in the winter. Only issue is that if you ever get a flat, it?s a sticky mess. An option is to get wheel weights, that way you can add/remove them as needed for different tasks. When I bought the Cub it had calcium chloride filled tires, the rims were eaten out in a couple of years. Purchased a set of rear wheel weights (150# each) that I can wrestle on and off between mowing grass and plowing. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE ALLEN To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) Good question, Joe, and I checked it out: left the gas cap off, and it made no difference. Too much rain at the moment to get much done, and I am in the office the rest of the week, anyway. By the way, I *must* apologize for my goof in not deleting the mass of unnecessary quotations yesterday, thus cluttering up the digest and making it incomprehensible. I usually grumble about that sort of thing, and so it is only just that I grumble about my own goof. I shall assign myself due penance. I drive a couple hours to pick up a decent wheel from a salvage/parts house on Saturday. I hope this means I can have the '49 A on its feet by the next weekend. Most of the wheels I found were eaten up. We've had discussions of fluid on ATIS before. All I can say is that, if I ever have to use fluid, I will pay extra not to use something corrosive. It is disheartening to watch the rims dissolve before your eyes. Dean Vinson: I have used a pair of pliers to pull the slots on the cover open a bit, essentially enlarging the diameter, to help keep them in place. I almost lost the cover a couple times in the field. Given the number of tractors I see without covers, I suspect the problem is pretty common. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 23 12:20:09 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> Message-ID: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's lifted. Mike M On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cgs > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >> >> Greg >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> ?Mike, >>> >>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>> >>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi all, >>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Mike M >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From magreer67 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 14:07:33 2020 From: magreer67 at gmail.com (magreer67) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:07:33 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5ea20397.1c69fb81.1d70e.ffe1@mx.google.com> I'll second that cold beer after a hard work day thing. As far as burning brush, I burn a brush pile at least once a month from March to November here in NE OH. Ive burned 3x already this Spring. Pay attention to the wind, have water available,? and use your head and the FD won't give you any trouble. I have a lot of big old trees on the property. It can just pile up during the winter months.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Offiler Date: 4/23/20 11:23 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans Come on, Cecil, that's an easy one:? remember Prohibition?I'll go on record as saying that cold beer at the end of the day is real nice and I'd be a little less happy if deprived.??SOOn Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:49 AM Cecil Bearden wrote: In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cecil On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. ? From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans ? The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. ? Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. ? The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. ? It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. ? In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week.? ? Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. ? ? So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. ? Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have ? ? ? Bobby Guilbeau Chief ? Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 ? 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URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 15:21:32 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. Mike M On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > lifted. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >> >> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >> >> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >> >> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >> >> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >> >> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >> >> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >> >> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >> >> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: cgs >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >> >> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Mike, >>>> >>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>> >>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi all, >>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Thu Apr 23 15:43:09 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:43:09 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Chipper? Tom > On 24 April 2020 at 10:21 Mike M wrote: > > LOL, I agree Carl, and we are allowed to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > > on burn bans, and why they exist. The Fire Chief and I do have a > > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > > stomp it out, but it was soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > > lifted. > > > > Mike M > > > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > > > > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > > > > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > > > > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > > > > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > > > > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > > > > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > > > > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cgs mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > > > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > > > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > > > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > > > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > > > > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net mailto:Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > > > > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > > > > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > > > > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson mailto:moscowengnr at outlook.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. > > > > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > > > > Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. > > > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > > > > > > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > > > > > > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > > > > > > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > > > > > > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > > > > > > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > > > > > > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > > > > > > giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 15:55:50 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:55:50 -0500 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: <1024111318.10625629.1587669265403.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <1161383185.97483340.1587667464449.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> <1024111318.10625629.1587669265403.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: I use methanol.? 50/50? If you have a flat, break down one side ofthe tire, pull out the tube to the hole, clean it and patch, then reassemble.? Many times I don't even pump the fluid out..? I bought some stop leak that will mix with all fluids... Cecil t On 4/23/2020 2:14 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > If available in your area, beet juice is good for filling tires. It doesn?t freeze solid in the winter. Only issue is that if you ever get a flat, it?s a sticky mess. An option is to get wheel weights, that way you can add/remove them as needed for different tasks. > > When I bought the Cub it had calcium chloride filled tires, the rims were eaten out in a couple of years. Purchased a set of rear wheel weights (150# each) that I can wrestle on and off between mowing grass and plowing. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STEVE ALLEN > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp at att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp at att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) > > Good question, Joe, and I checked it out: left the gas cap off, and it made no difference. > > Too much rain at the moment to get much done, and I am in the office the rest of the week, anyway. > > By the way, I *must* apologize for my goof in not deleting the mass of unnecessary quotations yesterday, thus cluttering up the digest and making it incomprehensible. I usually grumble about that sort of thing, and so it is only just that I grumble about my own goof. I shall assign myself due penance. > > I drive a couple hours to pick up a decent wheel from a salvage/parts house on Saturday. I hope this means I can have the '49 A on its feet by the next weekend. Most of the wheels I found were eaten up. We've had discussions of fluid on ATIS before. All I can say is that, if I ever have to use fluid, I will pay extra not to use something corrosive. It is disheartening to watch the rims dissolve before your eyes. > > Dean Vinson: I have used a pair of pliers to pull the slots on the cover open a bit, essentially enlarging the diameter, to help keep them in place. I almost lost the cover a couple times in the field. Given the number of tractors I see without covers, I suspect the problem is pretty common. > > The "original" Steve Allen > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 23 16:12:37 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1127778087.10768883.1587683557001.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Maybe you just need a bigger fire pit. 15- 20 ft might be what you need. Usually plenty of cinder blocks for free on Craigslist. Stacking 2 - 3 hundred of them shouldn?t be that hard. Plus you can move them from brush pile to brush pile.? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike M To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. Mike M On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > lifted. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >> >> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >> >> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >> >> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >> >> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >> >> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >> >> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >> >> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >> >> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >> >> Carl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: cgs >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >> >> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Mike, >>>> >>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>> >>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi all, >>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>>> this? >>>>> >>>>> Mike M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 16:32:00 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <217dc98b-caeb-f66d-2b8d-94c6ffbff0b7@centurylink.net> References: <217dc98b-caeb-f66d-2b8d-94c6ffbff0b7@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <1B318C71-3345-43C9-99CF-DEF25039E3B5@hvc.rr.com> Same here in NY so far for liquor stores. Gun stores are closed. Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > ? > Same thing here in MO. So are gun shops. > > Mark J > > On 4/23/2020 8:43 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote: >> In OK, Gov. Stitt determined that liquor stores were an essential business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Cecil >> >> On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: >>> Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. >>> >>> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >>>> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. >>>> Bradford. >>>> >>>> From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >>>> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>>> >>>> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >>>> >>>> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >>>> >>>> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >>>> >>>> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. >>>> >>>> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >>>> >>>> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bobby Guilbeau >>>> Chief >>>> >>>> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >>>> P.O. Box 120 >>>> Turkey Creek, LA 70585 >>>> >>>> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >>>> 337-461-2962 Office >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With the virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get. I am going to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles. We used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO and stock up every trip... > Cecil > > > > On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: > Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: > Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. > Bradford. > > From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. > > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. > > > So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > > > > Bobby Guilbeau > Chief > > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > P.O. Box 120 > Turkey Creek, LA 70585 > > Evangeline Parish, Louisiana > 337-461-2962 Office > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > -- > Charlie > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrooks at hvc.rr.com Thu Apr 23 16:35:14 2020 From: rbrooks at hvc.rr.com (rbrooks at hvc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:35:14 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C47DA75-9ECE-4831-B714-CC1D504CEE73@hvc.rr.com> Even Governor Cuomo felt liquor stores were essential Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:25 AM, cgs wrote: > > ? Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. > > On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. >> Bradford. >> >> From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> >> So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> P.O. Box 120 >> Turkey Creek, LA 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > -- > Charlie > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 17:20:53 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:20:53 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <3C47DA75-9ECE-4831-B714-CC1D504CEE73@hvc.rr.com> References: <3C47DA75-9ECE-4831-B714-CC1D504CEE73@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1abb2a61-7982-05d7-b8c0-61103610c462@gmx.com> All depends on how well the Governors mansion is stocked. Mike M On 4/23/2020 7:35 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Even Governor Cuomo felt liquor stores were essential > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:25 AM, cgs wrote: >> >> ? Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep >> that wine flowing. >> >> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the >>> obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe >>> as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. >>> Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than >>> likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being >>> cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential >>> in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to >>> others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives >>> is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers >>> are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say >>> they want back. Yeah, sure. >>> >>> Bradford. >>> >>> *From:* AT *On Behalf Of >>> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >>> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >>> >>> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as >>> typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some >>> areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) >>> leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. >>> >>> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing >>> problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >>> >>> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to >>> limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and >>> further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? >>> And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter >>> would pass on the virus as well. >>> >>> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would >>> have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site >>> for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. >>> >>> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state >>> has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of >>> problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to >>> respond to the Monroe area last week. >>> >>> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and >>> attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of >>> control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation >>> of life and property?. >>> >>> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >>> >>> Bobby Guilbeau >>> >>> Chief >>> >>> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >>> >>> P.O. Box 120 >>> >>> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >>> >>> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >>> >>> 337-461-2962 Office >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> -- >> Charlie >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 17:23:33 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:23:33 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1127778087.10768883.1587683557001.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1127778087.10768883.1587683557001.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <0a720454-1fb0-1715-1899-632c5fe117bf@gmx.com> That's a brilliant point Carl, we have plenty of rocks, are you sure your're? not a lawyer. Mike M On 4/23/2020 7:12 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > Maybe you just need a bigger fire pit. 15- 20 ft might be what you need. Usually plenty of cinder blocks for free on Craigslist. Stacking 2 - 3 hundred of them shouldn?t be that hard. Plus you can move them from brush pile to brush pile.? > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike M > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't > think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. > The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have > been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. >> >> Carl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike M >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information >> on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a >> history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn >> off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I >> lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got >> into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to >> stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I >> told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes >> later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew >> how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn >> ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. >> His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked >> down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never >> received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that >> it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. >> In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm >> out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by >> case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's >> lifted. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >>> >>> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >>> >>> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >>> >>> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >>> >>> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >>> >>> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >>> >>> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >>> >>> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >>> >>> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: cgs >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >>> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >>> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >>> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >>> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >>> >>> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Mike, >>>>> >>>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Hi all, >>>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>>>> this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AT mailing list >>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 17:27:03 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:27:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: I wish, the only guy I know with a chipper that I can borrow is an old model widow maker. You feed it right into the high speed chipper, no slow speed feeder and no dead mans lever. i won't run it. Mike M On 4/23/2020 6:43 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: > > Chipper? > > Tom > > >> On 24 April 2020 at 10:21 Mike M wrote: >> >> LOL, I agree Carl, and we are _allowed_ to burn in fire pits, I don't >> think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a >> mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I >> may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. >> >> Mike M >> >> On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net >> wrote: >>> I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. >>> >>> Carl >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mike M >>> To:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>> I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information >>> on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a >>> history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn >>> off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I >>> lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got >>> into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to >>> stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I >>> told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes >>> later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew >>> how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn >>> ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. >>> His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked >>> down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never >>> received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that >>> it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. >>> In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm >>> out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by >>> case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's >>> lifted. >>> >>> Mike M >>> >>> On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM,szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>>> Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >>>> >>>> In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >>>> >>>> I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >>>> >>>> With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >>>> >>>> There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >>>> >>>> My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >>>> >>>> There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >>>> >>>> Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >>>> >>>> Carl >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: cgs >>>> To:at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>>> >>>> If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >>>> to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >>>> one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >>>> do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >>>> responders' are out there protecting the crops. >>>> >>>> On 4/22/20 11:38 PM,Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>>>> And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>>>> And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>>>> Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>>>> Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>>>> One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>>>> Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>>>> and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>>>> state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>>>> a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>>>> of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>>>> burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>>>> burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>>>> giving way to uncontrolled spread. Any thoughts to the reasoning behind >>>>>>> this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AT mailing list >>>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AT mailing list >>>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AT mailing list >>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From oxygenfarm at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 17:49:56 2020 From: oxygenfarm at gmail.com (cgs) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:49:56 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1C58A436-AAED-49B4-A2EF-7058AC2A288C@hvc.rr.com> References: <008c01d61979$1f7707c0$5e651740$@att.net> <1C58A436-AAED-49B4-A2EF-7058AC2A288C@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: ?In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there is bacteria.? ? Benjamin Franklin On 4/23/20 7:33 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: > Cecil > > I prefer red wine when I drink wine. But my drink of choice is either > beer or bourbon. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:19 AM, bobbyguilbeau at att.net wrote: >> >> ? >> >> And red wine is good for the heart and soul?? >> >> Stay safe everyone >> >> Thanks Brad, I fall I the high risk as well.? But then so does most >> of the folks in Louisiana, we tend to eat way to much?lol >> >> *From:*AT *On Behalf Of *Cecil >> Bearden >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM >> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> All B.S. aside, Red Wine is loaded with anti-inflammatory >> compounds.?? Inflammation creates an immune response.? With the >> virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get.? I am going >> to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles.? We >> used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO >> and stock up every trip... >> Cecil >> >> On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: >> >> Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to >> keep that wine flowing. >> >> On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net >> wrote: >> >> Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be >> the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about >> keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering >> in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell >> even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk >> due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to >> my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But >> I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their >> safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. >> Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are >> also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans >> say they want back. Yeah, sure. >> >> Bradford. >> >> *From:* AT >> *On Behalf Of >> *bobbyguilbeau at att.net >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM >> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >> The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. >> >> Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as >> well as typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said >> firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid >> (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short >> handed to deal with other emergencies. >> >> The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing >> problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. >> >> It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an >> attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by >> firefighters and further short staffing of departments for >> more dire emergencies.? And of course lessening the >> possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the >> virus as well. >> >> In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters >> that would have normally responded due to being embedded in >> an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day >> seven days per week. >> >> Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our >> state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a >> different set of problems.? The state activated our Urban >> Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. >> >> So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply >> and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting >> out of control and not having enough people to deal with it >> ?preservation of life and property?. >> >> Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have >> >> Bobby Guilbeau >> >> Chief >> >> Ward 5 Fire Protection District >> >> P.O. Box 120 >> >> Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 >> >> Evangeline Parish, Louisiana >> >> 337-461-2962 Office >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> AT mailing list >> >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 23 18:23:27 2020 From: tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net (ustonThomas Mehrkam) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 01:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <008c01d61979$1f7707c0$5e651740$@att.net> <1C58A436-AAED-49B4-A2EF-7058AC2A288C@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1976206683.739270.1587691407451@mail.yahoo.com> Gun shops are declared an essential business here in Texas.? No burn bans for Corvid-19 On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 7:50:03 PM CDT, cgs wrote: ?In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is Freedom, in water there is bacteria.? ? Benjamin Franklin On 4/23/20 7:33 PM, rbrooks at hvc.rr.com wrote: Cecil I prefer red wine when I drink wine. But my drink of choice is either beer or bourbon. 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Thanks Brad, I fall I the high risk as well.? But then so does most of the folks in Louisiana, we tend to eat way to much?lol ? ? From: AT On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans ? All B.S. aside, Red Wine is loaded with anti-inflammatory compounds.?? Inflammation creates an immune response.? With the virus, us old farts need as much immunity as we can get.? I am going to break out the St. James Winery stash and have a few bottles.? We used to go to St. Louis every 6 months and would stop at St. James MO and stock up every trip... Cecil ? On 4/23/2020 8:25 AM, cgs wrote: Thanks to Bobby and Brad and all who serve to protect...and to keep that wine flowing. On 4/23/20 9:02 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote: Thank you Bobby for your service and stating what should be the obvious. It really isn?t all about me. It is about keeping YOU safe as well. The idea that people are cowering in fear boggles my mind. Yeah, if my spouse gets Covid, hell even the flu, she?s more than likely dead. I?m also high risk due to medication I take. Just being cautious. I still go to my job, as making wine is deemed essential in California. But I sure do all I can to limit my exposure to others for their safety as well as my own. Weighing money vs. lives is absurd. Who exactly among us, are expendable? The field workers are also still hard at it. Doing all those jobs that Americans say they want back. Yeah, sure. Bradford. ? From: AT On Behalf Of bobbyguilbeau at att.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:42 AM To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans ? The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. ? Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as typical Fire/Rescue.? With that being said firefighters in some areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. ? The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. ? It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies.? And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter would pass on the virus as well. ? In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week.? ? Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of problems.? The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to respond to the Monroe area last week. ? ? So, ?it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of life and property?. ? Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have ? ? ? Bobby Guilbeau Chief ? Ward 5 Fire Protection District P.O. Box 120 Turkey Creek, LA? 70585 ? 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URL: From toma at risingnet.net Thu Apr 23 19:23:05 2020 From: toma at risingnet.net (toma at risingnet.net) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:23:05 +0300 Subject: [AT] =?utf-8?q?Burn_bans?= In-Reply-To: <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> References: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1587694985.769738492@f24.my.com> Burning is wide open through the shutdown here in California, it won't last long. As soon as the dry weather hits it will be over. -- Sent from myMail for Android Thursday, 23 April 2020, 03:21PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com : >LOL, I agree Carl, and we are allowed to burn in fire pits, > I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a > mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, > I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > >Mike M > >On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >>I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. >> >>Carl >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mike M >>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >> >>I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information >>on burn bans, and why they exist.? The Fire Chief and I do have a >>history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn >>off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I >>lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got >>into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to >>stomp it out, but it was? soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I >>told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes >>later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew >>how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn >>ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. >>His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked >>down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never >>received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that >>it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. >>In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm >>out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by >>case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's >>lifted. >> >>Mike M >> >>On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: >> >>>Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. >>> >>>In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. >>> >>>I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. >>> >>>With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? >>> >>>There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. >>> >>>Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. >>> >>>My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. >>> >>>There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. >>> >>>Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. >>> >>>Carl >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: cgs >>>To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >>>Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) >>>Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans >>> >>>If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated >>>to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No >>>one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We >>>do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first >>>responders' are out there protecting the crops. >>> >>>On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: >>> >>>>And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. >>>>And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. >>>>Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. >>>>Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. >>>> >>>>Greg >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Mike, >>>>> >>>>>This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. >>>>>One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. >>>>>Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. >>>>> >>>>>Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. >>>>> >>>>>Dennis >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>>Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, >>>>>>and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire >>>>>>state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have >>>>>>a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time >>>>>>of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on >>>>>>burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to >>>>>>burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, >>>>>>giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From robinson46176 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:57:44 2020 From: robinson46176 at gmail.com (Indiana Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 22:57:44 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans Message-ID: We have burned more brush than usual this year, much of it a side product of firewood cutting and accumulating saw logs. What we burn is smaller branches than many folks would be burning because we save fairly small stuff as heating fuel. Our furnace firebox is quite large and will hold enough "sticks" to heat for maybe 4 hours when loaded with wood as small as an inch in diameter as long as they are fairly straight. We don't save a lot of 1" sticks but do save anything from about 1.5" and up. The furnace will accept wood up to almost 3' long if stuck in on an angle but about 28" long is about an ideal average. When it is low on fuel a piece of firewood 12" in diameter and 30" long can be loaded. I have several brush piles of fence-row brush to burn yet but my fields there and one of my neighbors fields across the fence are still corn stubble. I will not burn those piles until those fields are tilled. I have several brush piles that are semi-permanent and I leave them for wildlife shelter. I also have several wooded places where I just toss brush into the edge over a bank and just let it rot in place. Some small stuff like raked up leaves, small sticks and raked up bark from processing get put in a pile to compost down. Once started it goes pretty fast. I should mention that son Scott who mows most of our horse lots and open areas with a 15' bat-wing is not especially fond of my wildlife shelter piles but he tolerates them. :-) At this point the horse pastures are quite green and most of them still short. They are about 2 weeks from a big growth spurt. I have maybe a couple of hundred current or future victims of the Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to drop and cut up. I also have a number of overgrown trees that are a threat to buildings etc. to cut. I dropped a smallish ash tree that I had planted for shade at one barn and its trunk will yield an 8" x 8" replacement square post for that barn. That barn needs about 8 replacement post installed. I'll have plenty of ash for them. The firewood stack will do OK but I'll have a lot of small brush to deal with. I considering a big hole... . -- -- Francis Robinson aka "farmer" Central Indiana USA robinson46176 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meulenms at gmx.com Thu Apr 23 20:40:26 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:40:26 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cc7ea52-db5a-a855-a56e-841a83cb781b@gmx.com> Believe me when I say this Farmer, you won't realize how many Ash trees you had until the EAB moves through. Here in Michigan every Ash tree is dead. I found a young live one and transplanted it to the yard, as they make really nice trees. I treat it twice a year with Dominion 2L drench. A researcher at Michigan State University has been able to keep a yard full of Ash alive and well using this method. Time will tell if it works. Mike M On 4/23/2020 10:57 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: > We have burned more brush than usual this year, much of it a side > product of firewood cutting and accumulating saw logs. What we burn is > smaller branches than many folks would be burning because we save > fairly small stuff as heating fuel. Our furnace firebox is quite large > and will hold enough "sticks" to heat for maybe 4 hours when loaded > with wood as small as an inch in diameter as long as they are fairly > straight. We don't save a lot of 1" sticks but do save anything from > about 1.5" and up. The furnace will accept wood up to almost 3' long > if stuck in on an angle but about 28" long is about an ideal average. > When it is low on fuel a piece of firewood 12" in diameter and 30" > long can be loaded. > I have several brush piles of fence-row brush to burn yet but my > fields there and one of my neighbors fields across the fence are still > corn stubble. I will not burn those piles until those fields are > tilled. I have several brush piles that are semi-permanent and I leave > them for wildlife shelter. I also have several wooded places where I > just toss brush into the edge over a bank and just let it rot in > place. Some small stuff like raked up leaves, small sticks and raked > up bark from processing get put in a pile to compost down. Once > started it goes pretty fast. > I should mention that son Scott who mows most of our horse lots and > open areas with a 15' bat-wing is not especially fond of my wildlife > shelter piles but he tolerates them.? :-) > At this point the horse pastures are quite green and most of them > still short. They are about 2 weeks from a big growth spurt. > I have maybe a couple of hundred current or future victims of the > Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to drop and cut up. I also have a number?of > overgrown trees that are a threat to buildings etc. to cut. I dropped > a smallish ash tree that I had planted for shade at one barn and its > trunk will yield an 8" x 8" replacement square post for that barn. > That barn needs about 8 replacement post installed. I'll have plenty > of ash for them. The firewood stack will do OK but I'll have a lot of > small brush to deal with. I considering a big hole... > > > . > > > -- > -- > > Francis Robinson > aka "farmer" > Central Indiana USA > robinson46176 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 23 20:52:06 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 22:52:06 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <3cc7ea52-db5a-a855-a56e-841a83cb781b@gmx.com> References: <3cc7ea52-db5a-a855-a56e-841a83cb781b@gmx.com> Message-ID: Dad & I planted a bunch of Green Ash tree seedlings about 30+ years ago.? I wish they had been planted where we really could use the shade to work under instead of fence rows.? We lost a couple to lightning and also to sheep eating the bark...? My Hack berry trees that I use for shade to work under, one has been eaten up by bag worms and the other had a forked trunk, the ice storm took out one side this winter and the other laid over last month when we had a 70mph North wind.? I have wanted to make a wood chip fired boiler to heat the barn with.? I have an 8inch Morbark with hydraulic feed.. Cecil On 4/23/2020 10:40 PM, Mike M wrote: > Believe me when I say this Farmer, you won't realize how many Ash > trees you had until the EAB moves through. Here in Michigan every Ash > tree is dead. I found a young live one and transplanted it to the > yard, as they make really nice trees. I treat it twice a year with > Dominion 2L drench. A researcher at Michigan State University has been > able to keep a yard full of Ash alive and well using this method. Time > will tell if it works. > > Mike M > > On 4/23/2020 10:57 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote: >> We have burned more brush than usual this year, much of it a side >> product of firewood cutting and accumulating saw logs. What we burn >> is smaller branches than many folks would be burning because we save >> fairly small stuff as heating fuel. Our furnace firebox is quite >> large and will hold enough "sticks" to heat for maybe 4 hours when >> loaded with wood as small as an inch in diameter as long as they are >> fairly straight. We don't save a lot of 1" sticks but do save >> anything from about 1.5" and up. The furnace will accept wood up to >> almost 3' long if stuck in on an angle but about 28" long is about an >> ideal average. When it is low on fuel a piece of firewood 12" in >> diameter and 30" long can be loaded. >> I have several brush piles of fence-row brush to burn yet but my >> fields there and one of my neighbors fields across the fence are >> still corn stubble. I will not burn those piles until those fields >> are tilled. I have several brush piles that are semi-permanent and I >> leave them for wildlife shelter. I also have several wooded places >> where I just toss brush into the edge over a bank and just let it rot >> in place. Some small stuff like raked up leaves, small sticks and >> raked up bark from processing get put in a pile to compost down. Once >> started it goes pretty fast. >> I should mention that son Scott who mows most of our horse lots and >> open areas with a 15' bat-wing is not especially fond of my wildlife >> shelter piles but he tolerates them.? :-) >> At this point the horse pastures are quite green and most of them >> still short. They are about 2 weeks from a big growth spurt. >> I have maybe a couple of hundred current or future victims of the >> Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to drop and cut up. I also have a number?of >> overgrown trees that are a threat to buildings etc. to cut. I dropped >> a smallish ash tree that I had planted for shade at one barn and its >> trunk will yield an 8" x 8" replacement square post for that barn. >> That barn needs about 8 replacement post installed. I'll have plenty >> of ash for them. The firewood stack will do OK but I'll have a lot of >> small brush to deal with. I considering a big hole... >> >> >> . >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Francis Robinson >> aka "farmer" >> Central Indiana USA >> robinson46176 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Thu Apr 23 21:03:19 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 16:03:19 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: References: <29855E46-EB5F-4080-ABFB-F8E9650726CF@sopris.net> <1886848741.10460227.1587653607109.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <3e6b1d62-7384-4a99-1a19-a6378504b883@gmx.com> <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1656565413.1277451.1587681790130@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <1047229636.1313778.1587700999721@webmail.xtra.co.nz> Locally, we have a big orcharding base. Burning prunings is frowned upon, so they get mulched. the pto driven mulchers can handle up to around 4". The prunings get wind-rowed into a central row so the mulching tractor makes, but one pass. Tom > On 24 April 2020 at 12:27 Mike M wrote: > > I wish, the only guy I know with a chipper that I can borrow is an old model widow maker. You feed it right into the high speed chipper, no slow speed feeder and no dead mans lever. i won't run it. > > Mike M > > > On 4/23/2020 6:43 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: > > > > > > Chipper? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > On 24 April 2020 at 10:21 Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com wrote: > > > > > > LOL, I agree Carl, and we are allowed to burn in fire pits, I don't think you realize the amount of brush I need to burn, it's a mountain. The burn ban was put in place by the state Fire Marshall, I may have been able to dodge a fine once, but probably not twice. > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > On 4/23/2020 3:20 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I burn all year long, ban or not. I just use a fire ring and feed the fire in smaller quantities so I maintain control. Takes longer and is a little more work, but never gets out of hand no matter how strong the wind blows. The fire ring is about 15 feet from our pond, so plenty of water is always on hand. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:07:40 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > > > > > I am also from Michigan, first of all thank you for all the information > > > > on burn bans, and why they exist. The Fire Chief and I do have a > > > > history, unbeknownst to me, he had issued a burn ban. I wanted to burn > > > > off my field, and the wind was light and in the right direction, so I > > > > lit it. within 2 minutes the wind changed direction and the fire got > > > > into my neighbors tall dead grass and woods. I unsuccessfully tried to > > > > stomp it out, but it was soon obvious that that was a futile effort. I > > > > told my wife, so was with me to call the fire department. A few minutes > > > > later the Chief rolls in looks out into our field, and asks if I knew > > > > how it started. I told him I started it. He said,"You know I put a burn > > > > ban in effect yesterday?", and I truthfully told him I had no idea. > > > > His crew rolled in and using backpack sprayers quickly got it knocked > > > > down. I was out there with them helping as much as I could. I never > > > > received a bill for that, which surprised me, and can only assume that > > > > it was my honesty, and that it was a mistake. > > > > In my latest quest I've been clearing 2.5 acres of Honey Locust, and I'm > > > > out of room to put more piles. I really wish they would go on a case by > > > > case basis, but that ties up manpower. I'll just have to wait till it's > > > > lifted. > > > > > > > > Mike M > > > > > > > > On 4/23/2020 10:53 AM, szabelski at wildblue.net mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here in Mi, as well as a few other states, our governor has been under fire for not opening everything up at once. There was a protest that made the national news, showing maybe a few hundred people protesting against her. They mingled on the front law of the capital disregarding any social distancing. What didn?t make the national news was the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who support our governor and stayed home to comply with the social distancing requirement. > > > > > > > > > > In another state, nurses stood silently as protesters waved signs demanding their constitution rights, one protesting man even said that the virus was a hoax. I guess all those people in the hospital are paid actors. > > > > > > > > > > I don?t mean to get political here, but what gets me the most is how the president can say he has ultimate authority over the governors, until they push back. Then he says it?s all their responsibility. And then when they continue to do what they think is best, he calls for civil disobedience against them. And when the doctor that he was praising yesterday, disagrees with his opinion of using certain drugs, he fires him. > > > > > > > > > > With respect to all our constitution rights, there is a line from a Star Trek movie that seems appropriate at this time. It?s the movie where Spock dies when he enters the matter-anti matter chamber to stop the Enterprise from being destroyed. When Kirk asks him why, he responds ? THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWAY THE NEEDS OF THE FEW? > > > > > > > > > > There are unfortunately times when we have to bend things for the good and safety of the majority. This is one of those times. At times like this we can?t afford to be a nation of ?ME? and ?I??, we need to be a nation of ?We? and ?Us?. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, COVID-19 will probably be back in the autumn along with the standard flu. This means that people will probably be celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas by themselves. And since we may not have a vaccine in sufficient quantities until the end of the year, there is a possibility we will be going through this again next spring. Especially because there will be those who don?t or won?t vaccinate. > > > > > > > > > > My wife has been sewing masks for several groups and for our immediate families. But masks only provide a certain level of protection, and are not the answer to this virus. It?s working together and listening to those who have the right information and knowledge to determine what needs to be done that will get us through this. > > > > > > > > > > There is a good side to this virus. People are getting to know the people in their neighborhoods, and are uniting to do whatever they can to help, undoing some of the division in that?s been growing in our nation. It?s good to see people working together as one. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, and I don?t mean to step on anybody?s toes. Stay safe. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cgs mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com > > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com > > > > > Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans > > > > > > > > > > If local leaders do not take steps to exercise the power given/mandated > > > > > to them during this crisis, they are not doing their leadership jobs. No > > > > > one is perfect; none of us really knows how to react to the pandemic. We > > > > > do know that crowds are fertile fields for the virus, and that 'first > > > > > responders' are out there protecting the crops. > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/20 11:38 PM, Hrududu at sopris.net mailto:Hrududu at sopris.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And part of the burn bans here in CO are to have first responders available and fresh for emergency medical responses especially with the extra time needed to protect themselves with PPE. > > > > > > And if injured fighting fires, the extra impact on local hospitals and staff. > > > > > > Plus with potentially added smoke from fires, controlled, loss of control, man made or naturally caused, the additional smoke can exacerbate health issues for those already with respiratory problems. > > > > > > Have already had numerous ?controlled? burns get out of control with loss of structures and vehicles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:13 PM, Dennis Johnson mailto:moscowengnr at outlook.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This virus has caused many people and officials to try and demonstrate that they have power. Much of this is based on fear - many times fear that if they do not do something voters will accuse them of being a poor leader. There is also a great divide amount voters, several who live in a similar fear wanting government to protect them at any cost. Many care little about the lives of others, there jobs, employment, etc. > > > > > > > One example of this absurdity is people in Michigan cannot go to there vacation homes based on the reasoning that the extra fuel used at gas pumps will increase exposure for health care workers who needed to fuel up. > > > > > > > Maybe this time the reasoning is that the extra diesel used to light fires will increase exposure to the few health care workers driving diesel vehicles. Maybe someone is against global warming, and wanting fires like this to stop In an effort to reduce global warming. In these times little things like this can spread exponentially just like a virus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully this will minimize soon and many things will get back closer to normal. I am afraid that this can be a test to see how far many of our freedoms can be reduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Mike M mailto:meulenms at gmx.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Like all of you we are dealing with the Covid virus here is Michigan, > > > > > > > > and the State fire Marshall has put in place a burn ban for the entire > > > > > > > > state. I know there a few volunteer firefighters on the list, so I have > > > > > > > > a question for you. Why put a burn ban in place during the wettest time > > > > > > > > of the year? I've been clearing brush all winter with the intent on > > > > > > > > burning it in early spring. Now I have all this brush that I need to > > > > > > > > burn, but will apparently have to burn it when conditions are dryer, > > > > > > > > giving way to uncontrolled spread. 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URL: From alfg at sasktel.net Thu Apr 23 22:46:41 2020 From: alfg at sasktel.net (Ralph Goff) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:46:41 -0600 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <1587694985.769738492@f24.my.com> References: <823536311.10629052.1587669609722.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> <16eabbd4-30bd-6b2f-bfd1-25e3d9b228e3@gmx.com> <1587694985.769738492@f24.my.com> Message-ID: <1008457b-b380-826f-e39a-771b9d46d2ec@sasktel.net> On 2020-04-23 8:23 p.m., toma at risingnet.net wrote: > > > Burning is wide open through the shutdown here in California, it won't > last long. As soon as the dry weather hits it will be over. > My dad always said that spring time was the driest and most dangerous time of year for fires and I'd agree. All that old dead grass will burn like crazy if there is a wind behind it. A little slower if its quiet. I remember helping fight a yard fire at a neighbours place a few years back. Lucky it was not windy and three of us were able to keep it from burning anything besides the dead grass and an old outhouse. Its one of the several reasons I don't miss growing flax. Having to burn that straw in the spring was stressful. We have the "controlled burn" line to call here. Phone them when we plan to burn and that way if somebody calls 911 about our fire, it will already be registered as a controlled burn for that day and the fire trucks won't be sent out (at my expense). But I won't be burning anything here. Ralph in Sask. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Fri Apr 24 09:21:58 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:21:58 -0400 Subject: [AT] 2. Re: '51 JD A PROGRESS!!!! (deanvp@att.net) + PROGRESS on the '49 A wheels! (deanvp@att.net) (STEVE ALLEN) (STEVE ALLEN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529119FD-CCF0-4473-AFB2-41C5CD199296@rdfarms.com> I used to have to handle methanol so I am providing the following as a public service announcement in case folks on the list want to try this. Quote from the MSDS is below my comments: Methanol is a great solution for tire weighting in every way except for the initial mixing. It?s it?s pure form it?s a dangerous central nervous poison and it?s odorless so you?ll never know until you?re f$&@ed. If you don?t get enough to kill you; you?ll only go blind. No respirator we tractor folks generally have around filters it either. Flammable beyond belief as well. It?s reaction is exothermic and encourages vaporization so I think you are supposed to add the methanol to the water, not the other way around. Once watered down it?s great. Won?t evaporate out, no longer flammable, spillage on the ground is safe for soil critters and legged critters (unless you form drinkable puddles somehow) and won?t freeze anywhere south of the attic circle if you use 60% by volume, 50% by weight. I know racers use it cavalierly but most racers are crazy. Correlation or cause? Buy it premixed is my advice. PS: Used to have to mix potassium hydroxide lye and methanol. Scary as heck. PSS. Drinking liquor is actually a treatment. Ethanol is believed to slow methanol metabolism. So have a bottle of Jim Beam handy. Spencer Inhalation: Methanol is toxic and can very readily form extremely high vapor concentrations at room temperature. Inhalation is the most common route of occupational exposure. At first, methanol causes CNS depression with nausea, headache, vomiting, dizziness and incoordination. A time period with no obvious symptoms follows (typically 8-24 hrs). This latent period is followed by metabolic acidosis and severe visual effects which may include reduced reactivity and/or increased sensitivity to light, blurred, doubl and/or snowy vision, and blindness. Depending on the severity of exposure and the promptness of treatment, survivors may recover completely or may have permanent blindness, vision disturbances and/or nervous system effects. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote: > > ?I use methanol. 50/50 If you have a flat, break down one side ofthe tire, pull out the tube to the hole, clean it and patch, then reassemble. Many times I don't even pump the fluid out.. I bought some stop leak that will mix with all fluids... > Cecil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Apr 24 17:07:30 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:07:30 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5EA37F42.2010300@frontier.com> Carl Gogol wrote: > In NY our annual burn ban runs from March till May 15, unless it is extended > due to drought. By May 15 there is usually enough green new growth up > through last year's dead growth that a fire has difficulty spreading in wild > areas. In NY outdoor burns are generally prohibited except for small > cooking fires. The exception is agricultural burns in certain low > population townships. Even then there are restrictions on the maximum > diameter to be burned and it should be exhausted before discontinuing > supervision. I'm thinking that it should be extinguished before dark,, but > I'm not sure. > Carl > Manlius NY Doesn't need to be extinguished but you cannot abandon it. Plus if you have nosy neighbors you will likely get a visit from the FD or Encon. If you are in the law you won't have a problem. If you are not it can get expensive really quick. We used to run a lot of open burn calls, now it's rare but almost always on a HOT dry day with a nice breeze..... -- Steve W. From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Apr 24 21:23:39 2020 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 00:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> Message-ID: <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> bobbyguilbeau at att.net wrote: > The burn bans were implemented for a number of reasons. > Most fire departments also run Emergency Medical Services as well as > typical Fire/Rescue. With that being said firefighters in some > areas are getting infected with Covid (over 50 in New Orleans) > leaving fire departments short handed to deal with other emergencies. > The smoke from these fires exasperates issues with breathing problems > for folks that have Covid and other respiratory issues. > It?s also about adding a layer of social distancing in an attempt to > limit interaction with possibly infected people by firefighters and > further short staffing of departments for more dire emergencies. > And of course lessening the possibility that an infected firefighter > would pass on the virus as well. > In my department?s case we were also short 4 firefighters that would > have normally responded due to being embedded in an isolation site > for a fire watch patrol 24 hours a day seven days per week. > Add in the bad weather (tornado?s) the northern part of our state has > been hit with in the last 3 weeks creating a different set of > problems. The state activated our Urban Search and Rescue team to > respond to the Monroe area last week. > So, it?s not about exercising power or control, but simply and > attempt to not create further issues with fires getting out of > control and not having enough people to deal with it ?preservation of > life and property?. > > Hope this helps better understand the issues/concerns we have > Bobby Guilbeau > > Chief > Ward 5 Fire Protection District > P.O. Box 120 > Turkey Creek, LA 70585 The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but overall bans outdoor burning. I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian tank on your back! Don't miss that at all... -- Steve W. Ret. FF/EMT From cgogol1971 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 04:49:41 2020 From: cgogol1971 at gmail.com (Carl Gogol) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:49:41 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <5EA37F42.2010300@frontier.com> References: <0272fe28-5850-ed39-7d7e-560c3eb34804@gmx.com> <042101d61963$58927be0$09b773a0$@gmail.com> <5EA37F42.2010300@frontier.com> Message-ID: <00c001d61af7$9bdeea10$d39cbe30$@gmail.com> Thanks Steve, I start burning by 8 AM and make a call to the 911 center alerting them to an ag burn in order to avoid an unnecessary call out. I also call the non-emergency number for 911 when I'm done. -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Steve W. Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:08 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Burn bans Carl Gogol wrote: > In NY our annual burn ban runs from March till May 15, unless it is > extended due to drought. By May 15 there is usually enough green new > growth up through last year's dead growth that a fire has difficulty > spreading in wild areas. In NY outdoor burns are generally prohibited > except for small cooking fires. The exception is agricultural burns > in certain low population townships. Even then there are restrictions > on the maximum diameter to be burned and it should be exhausted before > discontinuing supervision. I'm thinking that it should be > extinguished before dark,, but I'm not sure. > Carl > Manlius NY Doesn't need to be extinguished but you cannot abandon it. Plus if you have nosy neighbors you will likely get a visit from the FD or Encon. If you are in the law you won't have a problem. If you are not it can get expensive really quick. We used to run a lot of open burn calls, now it's rare but almost always on a HOT dry day with a nice breeze..... -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Sat Apr 25 05:41:20 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:41:20 -0500 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> Message-ID: <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> More than once, in Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, I have seen grass fires burn the dead grass over standing water! A springtime burn ban makes a whole lot of sense. Mark J > The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from > March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that > time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So > to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have > exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but > overall bans outdoor burning. > > I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight > fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road > equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across > a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian > tank on your back! > Don't miss that at all... > From meulenms at gmx.com Sat Apr 25 08:14:54 2020 From: meulenms at gmx.com (Mike M) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:14:54 -0400 Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <7b2d1427-1517-64c9-5c96-6637444b0b3a@gmx.com> Around here they have done away with burn permits, they just ask that you keep it under control and manageable. I tend to call the non-emergency number and tell them I'll be burning some brush, so if they get a call they're aware of it. Mike M On 4/25/2020 8:41 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > More than once, in Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, I have seen grass > fires burn the dead grass over standing water! A springtime burn ban > makes a whole lot of sense. > > Mark J > > >> The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from >> March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that >> time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So >> to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have >> exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but >> overall bans outdoor burning. >> >> I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight >> fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road >> equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across >> a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian >> tank on your back! >> Don't miss that at all... >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From metz-h.b at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 22:47:27 2020 From: metz-h.b at comcast.net (HERBERT METZ) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 01:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Burn bans In-Reply-To: <7b2d1427-1517-64c9-5c96-6637444b0b3a@gmx.com> References: <73848A0B-80CA-474F-A127-8B7C44C830E2@gmail.com> <005701d6196c$99f71ec0$cde55c40$@att.net> <5EA3BB4B.6000002@frontier.com> <5af0cf5f-25a3-4017-9c01-7bd738e26f88@centurylink.net> <7b2d1427-1517-64c9-5c96-6637444b0b3a@gmx.com> Message-ID: <80170213.530106.1587880048054@connect.xfinity.com> Being adjacent to Fulton County (Atlanta, GA), we can only burn in winter months. Burning requires computer permits on now windy days; charged water hose and on-site supervision at all times, size of burn must be small, daylight hours only, and only natural items (no man made). Even at that there will be a couple of emergencies most every year. Herb(GA) > On April 25, 2020 at 11:14 AM Mike M wrote: > > > Around here they have done away with burn permits, they just ask that > you keep it under control and manageable. I tend to call the > non-emergency number and tell them I'll be burning some brush, so if > they get a call they're aware of it. > > Mike M > > On 4/25/2020 8:41 AM, Mark Johnson wrote: > > More than once, in Indiana, Kansas, and Missouri, I have seen grass > > fires burn the dead grass over standing water! A springtime burn ban > > makes a whole lot of sense. > > > > Mark J > > > > > >> The NY burn ban has been in place for 11 years. Every spring from > >> March 16 - May 14. In many areas it isn't all that wet during that > >> time and the dead dry grasses and debris from winter burn easily. So > >> to prevent large areas from burning they placed the ban. It does have > >> exemptions in it for training fires, campfires and a few others but > >> overall bans outdoor burning. > >> > >> I can say that I sort of like the idea as I HATED trying to fight > >> fires out in fields and wooded areas without any type of off road > >> equipment or even wildland turnout gear. Want fun, try running across > >> a field with a fire hoe or rake in your hands and a 6 gallon indian > >> tank on your back! > >> Don't miss that at all... > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > AT mailing list > > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Sun Apr 26 15:21:04 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates. '49 A: We have a wheel that nearly matches. The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct. It goes tot he tire shop in the morning. If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend. Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years. Shouldn't be a big issue: it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran. '51 A: Three jobs today. We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap. I verified the point gap. I verifies we had juice tot eh coil. the, we verified we had spark at the plug. One problem DOWN. Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform. I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it. Two problems DOWN. Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again. I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter. While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet. The new sediment bowl fills without any problem. But the gas was still not getting to the carb. So I pulled the fuel line off. I blew through it, and it was not clogged. So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two. But I noticed something: the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it. The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor. So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal. Gas flowed through it and into the carb. Three problems DOWN. Well, now the question is: will it start? And the answer is: YES! It did! We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain). I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later. No odd noises or behavior. When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out. All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some. We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk. The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out. There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp. The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up. The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not coming out the check hole. Need to get more oil and grease. We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times. We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing. If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend. In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B. Crud! Crud! Crud! Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem. Its slot is chewed up pretty good. I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip: the main body is in it for now. The rest will follow as time permits. We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual). Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods! Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help. I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them. No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful. The "original" Steve Allen From tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 26 17:50:48 2020 From: tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net (ustonThomas Mehrkam) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 00:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <340690166.699616.1587948648560@mail.yahoo.com> ? Great day. Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates. '49 A: We have a wheel that nearly matches.? The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct.? It goes tot he tire shop in the morning.? If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend.? Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years.? Shouldn't be a big issue:? it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran. '51 A: Three jobs today.? We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap.? I verified the point gap.? I verifies we had juice tot eh coil.? the, we verified we had spark at the plug.? One problem DOWN. Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform.? I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it.? Two problems DOWN. Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again.? I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter.? While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet.? The new sediment bowl fills without any problem.? But the gas was still not getting to the carb.? So I pulled the fuel line off.? I blew through it, and it was not clogged.? So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two.? But I noticed something:? the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it.? The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor.? So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal.? Gas flowed through it and into the carb.? Three problems DOWN. Well, now the question is:? will it start?? And the answer is:? YES!? It did!? We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain).? I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later.? No odd noises or behavior.? When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out.? All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some.? We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk.? The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out.? There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp.? The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up.? The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not? coming out the check hole.? Need to get more oil and grease.? We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times. We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing.? If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend. In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B.? Crud!? Crud!? Crud!? Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem.? Its slot is chewed up pretty good.? I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip:? the main body is in it for now.? The rest will follow as time permits.? We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual).? Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods!? Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help.? I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them.? No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful. The "original" Steve Allen _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The plug will almost come out with your fingers.Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Phone. -------- Original message --------From: ustonThomas Mehrkam Date: 4/26/20 7:51 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start:? the '47 B ?Great day.Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates.'49 A:We have a wheel that nearly matches.? The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct.? It goes tot he tire shop in the morning.? If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend.? Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years.? Shouldn't be a big issue:? it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran.'51 A:Three jobs today.? We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap.? I verified the point gap.? I verifies we had juice tot eh coil.? the, we verified we had spark at the plug.? One problem DOWN.Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform.? I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it.? Two problems DOWN.Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again.? I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter.? While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet.? The new sediment bowl fills without any problem.? But the gas was still not getting to the carb.? So I pulled the fuel line off.? I blew through it, and it was not clogged.? So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two.? But I noticed something:? the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it.? The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor.? So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal.? Gas flowed through it and into the carb.? Three problems DOWN.Well, now the question is:? will it start?? And the answer is:? YES!? It did!? We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain).? I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later.? No odd noises or behavior.? When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out.? All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some.? We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk.? The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out.? There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp.? The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up.? The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not? coming out the check hole.? Need to get more oil and grease.? We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times.We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing.? If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend.In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B.? Crud!? Crud!? Crud!? Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem.? Its slot is chewed up pretty good.? I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip:? the main body is in it for now.? The rest will follow as time permits.? We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual).? Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods!? Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help.? I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them.? No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful.The "original" Steve Allen_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deanvp at att.net Sun Apr 26 19:25:59 2020 From: deanvp at att.net (deanvp) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: <340690166.699616.1587948648560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet -------- Original message --------From: ustonThomas Mehrkam Date: 4/26/20 5:50 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start:? the '47 B ?Great day.Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates.'49 A:We have a wheel that nearly matches.? The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct.? It goes tot he tire shop in the morning.? If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend.? Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years.? Shouldn't be a big issue:? it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran.'51 A:Three jobs today.? We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap.? I verified the point gap.? I verifies we had juice tot eh coil.? the, we verified we had spark at the plug.? One problem DOWN.Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform.? I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it.? Two problems DOWN.Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again.? I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter.? While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet.? The new sediment bowl fills without any problem.? But the gas was still not getting to the carb.? So I pulled the fuel line off.? I blew through it, and it was not clogged.? So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two.? But I noticed something:? the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it.? The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor.? So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal.? Gas flowed through it and into the carb.? Three problems DOWN.Well, now the question is:? will it start?? And the answer is:? YES!? It did!? We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain).? I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later.? No odd noises or behavior.? When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out.? All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some.? We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk.? The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out.? There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp.? The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up.? The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not? coming out the check hole.? Need to get more oil and grease.? We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times.We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing.? If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend.In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B.? Crud!? Crud!? Crud!? Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem.? Its slot is chewed up pretty good.? I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip:? the main body is in it for now.? The rest will follow as time permits.? We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual).? Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods!? Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help.? I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them.? No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful.The "original" Steve Allen_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markjohnson100 at centurylink.net Mon Apr 27 04:49:01 2020 From: markjohnson100 at centurylink.net (Mark Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 06:49:01 -0500 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B In-Reply-To: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1027750165.99173628.1587939664481.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <797a5da9-788d-6e79-6773-ec032be6787a@centurylink.net> Well done Steve... Mark J Still 'plotting and planning' to do some work on Little Johnny, the '40 H. On 4/26/2020 5:21 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote: > Well, gentlemen, I have some really positive updates. > > '49 A: > We have a wheel that nearly matches. The rim centerline is shaped differently, but the width, the tire size, and the hub are correct. It goes tot he tire shop in the morning. If all goes well, we should have two wheel/tire combos ready to mount by next weekend. Then, it will be time to start the '49 for the first time in 2 years. Shouldn't be a big issue: it is shedded, and I drained the carb last time it ran. > > '51 A: > Three jobs today. We installed the new ignition switch and distributer cap. I verified the point gap. I verifies we had juice tot eh coil. the, we verified we had spark at the plug. One problem DOWN. > > Then, we installed the brake unit and reattached the platform. I initially left it pretty loose till we had a chance to run it. Two problems DOWN. > > Then, I pulled apart the fuel system again. I got another sediment bowl assembly, this one with higher quality fittings and a correct size outlet--no need for the adapter. While it was off, I blew air into the tank just to try to eliminate any loose scale around the outlet. The new sediment bowl fills without any problem. But the gas was still not getting to the carb. So I pulled the fuel line off. I blew through it, and it was not clogged. So I pulled the fuel line off my other A to see if it would fit--it won't because the exhaust manifold is different between the two. But I noticed something: the loop in the new fuel line could be reoriented so as to not have any rise in it. The new line duplicates the old line, but I have stopped trusting what used to be on the tractor. So I reoriented the line making the loop horizontal. Gas flowed through it and into the carb. Three problems DOWN. > > Well, now the question is: will it start? > > And the answer is: YES! It did! We let him warm up a bit, and then we went for a drive up and down the road (the yard is standing water from the last three days of rain). I ran through 1 - 4 and R; we'll get to 5 & 6 later. No odd noises or behavior. When we got it back in the drive way, it idled rough, so I adjusted the screw to smooth it out. All three gauges work--good oil pressure, temps got up almost to 200, and the generator charges, at least some. > > We gave the old guy a thorough lube--had to replace a Zerk. The oil passages in the generator need to be cleaned out. There is a bit of a drip in one water hose--need to try to tighten a clamp. The shutters work, but need to pull the sheet metal and lube them up. The PowrTrol was really low--put in 2 qts and it is still not coming out the check hole. Need to get more oil and grease. We'll change the crankcase oil after using it a couple times. > > We adjusted the refurbed brake for the next outing. If the weather holds, we might get to do some work next weekend. > > In any case, we also tore down the carb on the '47 B. Crud! Crud! Crud! Everything came apart except the bass screw in the bowl stem. Its slot is chewed up pretty good. I will try a pair of vice grips on it after it soaks some--we bought one of those cans of chemical dip: the main body is in it for now. The rest will follow as time permits. We have a complete kit, parts of several others, the necessary drill bits, and a video from the company to help guide us (as well as the manual). > > Anyway, a long note to say we're just about out of these woods! Once again, I appreciate all the advice and help. I share a video, but I don't think the list will accept them. No doubt, there will be more issues to discuss, but this project took a BIG leap forward today, and we are happy and grateful. > > The "original" Steve Allen > > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From steveallen855 at centurytel.net Mon Apr 27 13:09:07 2020 From: steveallen855 at centurytel.net (STEVE ALLEN) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116848629.99699692.1588018147461.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 From: deanvp The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet From mr.jebecker at gmail.com Mon Apr 27 17:08:00 2020 From: mr.jebecker at gmail.com (Jim Becker) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 19:08:00 -0500 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: <1116848629.99699692.1588018147461.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> References: <1116848629.99699692.1588018147461.JavaMail.zimbra@centurytel.net> Message-ID: The problem was the loop. If the tank had been several feet above the loop, there would have been enough head pressure to overcome the loop. Gas just isn't that good at flowing uphill. Jim Becker -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:09 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) The "original" Steve Allen ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 From: deanvp The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 29 14:33:16 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:33:16 -0400 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also if you filled the tank all the way you might have had enough head pressure. As I mentioned previously, my COVID-19 motorcycle project has been going very well. I?ve been taking it on test runs in big circles that are never far from the house. Been running great. However I felt vindicated today on that conservative strategy. Shortly into the run I couldn?t down shift :-( I managed to get down shifted to third after a lot of attempts and trying. With third I was able to get rolling again without smoking the clutch. Came back home after rolling through stop signs since there was no way I could get this thing down shifted further. Pulled into the garage to give it a quick inspection and found the root cause: That stick went all the way over a bracket, Between the shift linkage crankcase/transmission housing and out another bracket and wedged tight. You can see the other end near the muffler. I never saw the stick on the road and don?t remember hitting one. I don?t think I could have drove that stick in by hand. I had to break the stick to get it out. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 99660 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Jim Becker wrote: > > ?The problem was the loop. If the tank had been several feet above the loop, there would have been enough head pressure to overcome the loop. Gas just isn't that good at flowing uphill. > > Jim Becker > > -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:09 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) > > Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. > > The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) > > The "original" Steve Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 > From: deanvp > > > The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From chuck.tractor at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 15:06:33 2020 From: chuck.tractor at gmail.com (Chuck Bealke) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:06:33 -0500 Subject: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0709A1B0-36DD-42C5-A52D-A92E01D0D9DF@gmail.com> Spencer, you lucked out on that one - should be a much easier fix than transmission work. Sticks do like to get between chain and sprocket off road. Had more fun on tractors with tree limbs grabbing throttle or gov. linkage when you brushed up against them. Have also come too close to being been removed from high Farmall seats by a limb or two. At least there was the bar between lights to hang onto IF you were quick and lucky. > On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > > Also if you filled the tank all the way you might have had enough head pressure. > > As I mentioned previously, my COVID-19 motorcycle project has been going very well. I?ve been taking it on test runs in big circles that are never far from the house. Been running great. However I felt vindicated today on that conservative strategy. Shortly into the run I couldn?t down shift :-( > > I managed to get down shifted to third after a lot of attempts and trying. With third I was able to get rolling again without smoking the clutch. Came back home after rolling through stop signs since there was no way I could get this thing down shifted further. > > Pulled into the garage to give it a quick inspection and found the root cause: > > That stick went all the way over a bracket, Between the shift linkage crankcase/transmission housing and out another bracket and wedged tight. You can see the other end near the muffler. I never saw the stick on the road and don?t remember hitting one. I don?t think I could have drove that stick in by hand. I had to break the stick to get it out. > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Jim Becker wrote: >> >> ?The problem was the loop. If the tank had been several feet above the loop, there would have been enough head pressure to overcome the loop. Gas just isn't that good at flowing uphill. >> >> Jim Becker >> >> -----Original Message----- From: STEVE ALLEN >> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:09 PM >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: Re: [AT] '49 A and '51 A Updates and a New Start: the '47 B (deanvp) >> >> Thanks to all for the heat tip. We'll try it. the only one still in is the one on the side of the stem inside the float bowl. >> >> The loop doesn't make sense to me, either, unless the gas just couldn't make it's way uphill for part of the loop. There are two variables in the equation--the loop and the sediment bowl--that were changed. I am not going to bother going backward to try to figure it out though ;-) >> >> The "original" Steve Allen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:25:59 -0700 >> From: deanvp >> >> >> The loop problem does not compute with previous data but it now works.? To get brass screws out just heat them until they start charging colors. Let them cool and you will be able to remove them with your fingers.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 29 16:00:34 2020 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:00:34 -0700 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels Message-ID: Hi all. I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA From dave at themaplehillfarm.com Wed Apr 29 17:11:15 2020 From: dave at themaplehillfarm.com (Dave Maynard) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:11:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, try here: https://www.agrisupply.com/steering-wheels/c/4900030/ Dave Maynard The Maple Hill Farm On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:00 PM wrote: > Hi all. > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmartin at xtra.co.nz Wed Apr 29 17:25:13 2020 From: tmartin at xtra.co.nz (Thomas Martin) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:25:13 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <444539383.51089.1588206314093@webmail.xtra.co.nz> > On 30 April 2020 at 11:00 rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > Hi all. > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA Can't speak for the Kubota, but the SW for the B275 was the same as the following tractors: Case IH 276 (International) 434 (International) B250 (B Series) B275 (B Series) B414 (B Series) David Brown 1200 (1200 Series) 1210 (1200 Series) 1212 (1200 Series) 770 (700 Series) 780 (700 Series) 850 (800 Series) 880 (800 Series) 885 (800 Series) 890 (800 Series) 950 (900 Series) 990 (900 Series) 995 (900 Series) 996 (900 Series) Ford New Holland 2N (Model N - Series) 9N (Model N - Series) Massey Ferguson 135 (100 Series) 135 GAS / 135 PETROL 135 US BUILT 148 (100 Series) 20 (Industrial Tractors) 203 (Industrial Tractors) 205 (Industrial Tractors) 2203 (Industrial Tractors) 35 (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) 35 GAS / 35 PETROL 35 US BUILT 35X (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) 40 (Industrial Tractors) 65 (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) 765 (Pre 100 Series (1947 - 65)) TE20 (TE20 Series) TEA20 (TE20 Series) TED20 (TE20 Series) TEF20 (TE20 Series) TO20 (TE20 Series) TO30 (TE20 Series) TO35 (TE20 Series) Massey Harris MH50 Last century, I had a spare-time hobby fitting full-power steer most of the above. So I got close and personal with the above SWs. They all shared the same wheel. After market wheels seem plentiful. Tom From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 29 20:00:46 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:00:46 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8543BBFD-B391-4D83-A257-7608746B9756@rdfarms.com> There was a company called Minn-Kota that I used a couple of times. They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking. Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it? That?s another avenue to check anyways. Good luck, Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > ?Hi all. > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > besides the dealers? Low price is important. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > From bvandragt at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 20:09:03 2020 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:09:03 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: <8543BBFD-B391-4D83-A257-7608746B9756@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: Evergreen Restoration does high quality recovering of John Deere steering wheels like Minn-Kota used to do:https://www.evergreengauges.com/ -------- Original message --------From: Spencer Yost Date: 4/29/20 11:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels There was a company called Minn-Kota that I used a couple of times.?? They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking.? Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it?That?s another avenue to check anyways.? Good luck,SpencerSent from my iPhone> On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:> > ?Hi all.> I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is> an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260.? Any recommendations > besides the dealers?? Low price is important.? Thanks.> > Ron Haskell> rdhaskell at juno.com> Riverside, California USA> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> _______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Wed Apr 29 20:21:15 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:21:15 -0400 Subject: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels In-Reply-To: <20200430030911.9DC0C21E77@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> References: <20200430030911.9DC0C21E77@pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <8BD69DF4-DC16-446A-92D7-2377AC901BF0@rdfarms.com> I?ve used them for a few JD gauges and not only is their stuff really nice, they are easy to deal with. It?s been less than two years since I last bought something from them and didn?t notice at the time they did steering wheels too. Glad someone is doing it. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Brian VanDragt wrote: > > ?Evergreen Restoration does high quality recovering of John Deere steering wheels like Minn-Kota used to do: > https://www.evergreengauges.com/ > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Spencer Yost > Date: 4/29/20 11:00 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [AT] Replacement tractor steering wheels > > There was a company called Minn-Kota that I used a couple of times. They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking. Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it? > > That?s another avenue to check anyways. Good luck, > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > > ?Hi all. > > I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is > > an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260. Any recommendations > > besides the dealers? Low price is important. 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They actually recovered them and looked better than new and very original looking.? Was cheaper than replacement steering wheels. They are out of business now (owner died) but maybe there are some other businesses that do it?That?s another avenue to check anyways.? Good luck,SpencerSent from my iPhone> On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:> > ?Hi all.> I want to replace the steering wheels on a couple of tractors, first is> an IH B 275 D, the second is a Kubota L 260.? Any recommendations > besides the dealers?? Low price is important.? Thanks.> > Ron Haskell> rdhaskell at juno.com> Riverside, California USA> > _______________________________________________> AT mailing list> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com> _______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com_______________________________________________AT mailing listAT at lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 30 17:26:09 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:26:09 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project Message-ID: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone From drgerber at bright.net Thu Apr 30 18:24:49 2020 From: drgerber at bright.net (drgerber at bright.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? Dave Gerber, OH -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From szabelski at wildblue.net Thu Apr 30 19:46:08 2020 From: szabelski at wildblue.net (szabelski at wildblue.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> Message-ID: <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually doing. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: drgerber at bright.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? Dave Gerber, OH -----Original Message----- From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com From ken.knierim at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 20:04:34 2020 From: ken.knierim at gmail.com (Ken Knierim) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:04:34 -0700 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to be correct. However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show charge/dischage on the battery... or am I mistaken? Ken in AZ On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM wrote: > You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current > flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one > direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite > direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the > meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually > doing. > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: drgerber at bright.net > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > > Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project > > I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the > coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring > harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese > made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the > service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no > destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and > removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. > Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my > best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and > it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a > rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. > Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight > discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge > position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. > > Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? > > Dave Gerber, OH > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com > Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project > > So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. > > After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of > the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still > needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of > running on it before I did a true running timing on it. > > As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: > > While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. > Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. > > The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. > The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine > speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years > ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact > tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his > fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the > heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I > bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for > this task. > > I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on > the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and > full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the > reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and > you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. > It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. > > For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I > was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high > idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the > carburetor to get my idle speed right. > > I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the > timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. 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URL: From drgerber at bright.net Thu Apr 30 20:19:34 2020 From: drgerber at bright.net (drgerber at bright.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:19:34 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: References: <0C0B6B17-4957-43EF-8622-5A5151278B8C@rdfarms.com> <004f01d61f57$4f0ac510$ed204f30$@bright.net> <2129184960.15306965.1588301168314.JavaMail.zimbra@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <007201d61f67$5651eaf0$02f5c0d0$@bright.net> I will pull the gas tank back off after I run some fuel out of it; disk the garden or something; then I will switch the wires around on the amp gauge. While I have it apart again, I will photo the switch with the odd markings, as well as the cut out. If the thing seems to operate correctly while running the fuel out, although the gauge reads backwards, I will know soon enough if the battery runs dead. Won?t be far from the shop. I hate Chinese crap, but seems that switch and cut outs made in America don?t exist; or if they do I sure can?t find them. Dave in Ohio. From: AT On Behalf Of Ken Knierim Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:05 PM To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to be correct. However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show charge/dischage on the battery... or am I mistaken? Ken in AZ On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM > wrote: You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually doing. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: drgerber at bright.net To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' > Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? Dave Gerber, OH -----Original Message----- From: AT > On Behalf Of Spencer Yost Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. A good day. Spencer Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com _______________________________________________ AT mailing list AT at lists.antique-tractor.com http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer at rdfarms.com Thu Apr 30 20:29:55 2020 From: spencer at rdfarms.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:29:55 -0400 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D6F8E1B-448C-4D3B-8C50-CE7C5B7748E4@rdfarms.com> A great question that I?d like to see discussed. Most (all?) of the ammeters on antique tractors I?ve run across measure the current that the generator is providing, not the current flowing to the battery. So you see an increase in current as soon as you turn the lights on. It?s true for every tractor I have and can remember having. I think maybe some cars in the pre-alternator days did it otherwise? I don?t know: it?s an interesting question. Spencer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: > > ? > Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to be correct. > > However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show charge/dischage on the battery... or am I mistaken? > > Ken in AZ > >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM wrote: >> You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite of what the charging system is actually doing. >> >> Carl >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: drgerber at bright.net >> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> I had an MT that wouldn't start. Cranked but no fire. No juice at the coil. Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer engineering. Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and nothing like the one shown in the service manual. Had 2(two) inline fuses ??? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in the dash. I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips. Tried to figure out the markings on the switch. Hooked the wires up by my best guess. New plugs, new points, new condenser, had the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one. Put all but the sheet metal back together. Fired right up. HOWEVER; AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge position. >> >> Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? >> >> Dave Gerber, OH >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AT On Behalf Of Spencer Yost >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. >> >> After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true running timing on it. >> >> As you can guess, I never got around to it. (-: >> >> While the static timing was close I got a sense of misfire at high idle. Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. >> >> The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load RPMs. The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my tachometer busted probably 15 years ago. So I opted for the shaft conversion table. But my shaft contact tachometer was borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his fault: he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other tools). So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight several months back for this task. >> >> I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs. The optical tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft. It also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. >> >> For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. >> >> I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get the timing mark to come up. I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint of that misfire sound. >> >> A good day. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crbearden at copper.net Thu Apr 30 20:37:37 2020 From: crbearden at copper.net (Cecil Bearden) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:37:37 -0500 Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project In-Reply-To: <1D6F8E1B-448C-4D3B-8C50-CE7C5B7748E4@rdfarms.com> References: <1D6F8E1B-448C-4D3B-8C50-CE7C5B7748E4@rdfarms.com> Message-ID: <302126cf-c6d2-b1bf-909a-fd151b246fff@copper.net> Back in the old generator days, the Delco regulators had an L terminal.? In one of my old mechanic manuals,? I found out about the L terminal.? I remember this regulator was one of those square Delco regulators. Cecil On 4/30/2020 10:29 PM, Spencer Yost wrote: > A great question that I?d like to see discussed. > > Most (all?) of the ammeters on antique tractors I?ve run across > measure the current that the generator is providing, not the current > flowing to the battery. ?So you see an increase in current as soon as > you turn the lights on. It?s true for every tractor I have and can > remember having. > > I think maybe some cars in the pre-alternator days did it otherwise? I > don?t know: ? it?s an interesting question. > > > Spencer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Ken Knierim wrote: >> >> ? >> Reversing the ammeter will cause the charge/discharge indication to >> be correct. >> >> However if the charge indicator increases when the lights are on, is >> this really correct? Seems like the lights are tapped in on the wrong >> side of the ammeter (once you reverse the ammeter connections). I >> would guess the light switch (and ignition) should be on the >> generator side of the ammeter, not the battery side. This should >> allow the generator to make up for the draw from the lights and show >> charge/dischage?on the battery... or am I?mistaken? >> >> Ken in AZ >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM > > wrote: >> >> You can just switch the wires. All the meter does is indicate >> current flow, in both directions. When you?re charging, the >> needle moves in one direction, and when you?re drawing power, it >> reads in the opposite direction. If you don?t switch the wires, >> you?ll have to remember that the meter is indicating the opposite >> of what the charging system is actually doing. >> >> Carl >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: drgerber at bright.net >> To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' >> > >> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: Re: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> I had an MT that wouldn't start.? Cranked but no fire. No juice >> at the coil.? Took off the sheet metal, battery, gas tank, and >> removed the wiring harness. Wasn't too bad, but had some farmer >> engineering.? Had a Chinese made swith, with strange marks, and >> nothing like the one shown in the service manual.? Had 2(two) >> inline fuses ???? Had a couple of wires with no destination up in >> the dash.? I took the wire harness to the bench, and removed all >> the crimped bayonet clips, and soldered on the circle clips.? >> Tried to figure out the markings on the switch.? Hooked the wires >> up by my best guess.? New plugs, new points, new condenser, had >> the coil tested and it was good, new wires, new cap, new dust >> shield, Napa could not get a rotor so I used the old one.? Put >> all but the sheet metal back together.? Fired right up. HOWEVER; >> AMP gauge appears to read backwards; slight discharge on >> ignition, larger discharge on the ignition w high charge >> position, and very strong discharge with lights and high charge >> position. >> >> Can I just change the wires to the amp gauge to solve the problem? >> >> Dave Gerber, OH >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AT > > On Behalf Of >> Spencer Yost >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:26 PM >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com >> >> Subject: [AT] Covid-19 Quarantine tractor project >> >> So I took a break from the motorcycle tonight and moved to the 430. >> >> After I got the engine unstuck a few years ago I did a static >> timing of the ignition; but I never did do a running timing. >> First of all I had still needed to clean and adjust the carb and >> plus I wanted a few hours of running on it before I did a true >> running timing on it. >> >> As you can guess, I never got around to it.? (-: >> >> While the static timing? was close I got a sense of misfire at >> high idle.? Not a true misfire but not ?right? either. >> >> The 430 is an engine that you time at full open throttle, no-load >> RPMs.? The service manual provides PTO shaft speeds that >> correspond with engine speeds which is helpful because my >> tachometer busted probably 15 years ago.? ?So I opted for the >> shaft conversion table.? ?But my shaft contact tachometer was >> borrowed by a friend in the 90s and it disappeared( Not his >> fault:? he became quite ill and eventually passed and I didn?t >> have the heart to bother him or his widow for it or several other >> tools).? So I bought an optical tachometer from Harbor Freight >> several months back for this task. >> >> I put a piece of reflective tape that came with the optical >> tachometer on the PTO shaft and used that table in the manual to >> double check idle and full throttle, no load RPMs.? The optical >> tachometer did fine, but as the reviews of the product indicate >> you do want the area to be fairly dark, and you want to be >> holding it exactly perpendicular to the axis of the shaft.? It >> also helps to brace your arm while your hold it. >> >> For reasons I do not remember, I had to adjust the governor shaft >> when I was done unsticking the engine and preparing it for test >> runs. So my high idle RPM was actually dead on. But it definitely >> took some futzing with the carburetor to get my idle speed right. >> >> I needed to do a good bit of adjustment of the distributor to get >> the timing mark to come up.? ?I would say a 5 to 10? turn. It now >> idles without ?loping? and runs at full throttle without a hint >> of that misfire sound. >> >> A good day. >> >> Spencer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com >> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com > > _______________________________________________ > AT mailing list > AT at lists.antique-tractor.com > http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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