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Mike, Thunderbird does the same to me. I finally learned to make the address change before I send.

Phil in TX

--- meulenms at gmx.com wrote:

From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Agricultural Equipment Diagnostic Technicians
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:16:09 -0400

I see that my reply went to the list, but I had to manually change your
copper.net address to the ATIS address, this is a new problem. I suspect
it's a Thunderbird issue.

Regards,
Mike M


On 9/15/2019 4:17 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
> I got it..
> Cecil
> Mike, you have reiterated what I said a few weeks back.  The schools
> do not teach life skills anymore.   A couple of counties over East a
> school district had a Mom whose kids wanted a 4H club.  They convinced
> the Superintendent to allow them to have a 4H club.  The first 
> meeting to determine interest they expected maybe 8 to 10 kids.  They
> had 35.  Now the club has 55 regular members.  $H is not just
> agriculture, and raising calves or sheep, it teaches those kids life
> skills in a group situation..   After raising sheep in addition to
> cattle for the last 20 years, I firmly believe if a kid can raise a
> lamb to show in a ring, they can work with nearly anyone!   I also
> believe if all kids had to care for a couple of bottle baby lambs and
> raise them, they would be much better parents later on...
>
> The old high school shop classes both wood and metal and auto gave the
> students a chance to see if they wanted to do something besides sit
> behind a desk.   I was on a construction site with carpenters from as
> soon as I was out of diapers until I started school.  Then in the
> summers I was back on the site.  My Uncle was an ex Seabee and a
> carpenter.  My Dad worked as a carpenter while he went to college
> after I was born and my mother worked.  When I was 13, I started
> working in a tractor shop about a mile away from home.  I rode my Bike
> there.  I was in auto shop in high school. If my folks had not
> threatened to throw me out, I would have gone through diesel school at
> OSU tech in Okmulgee, and majored in diesel injection.  I really
> believe I would have had my own shop...   I still remember my mothers
> words "You just want to be an old grease monkey!"
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> Cecil
>
> On 9/15/2019 2:58 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> Yes James, usually 50-55 hours. There are weeks he will put in 80, but
>> it's his choice. My main point is the trades have been neglected in high
>> schools that push everyone towards college, when some are kids are
>> better suited to learning by watching and helping. He's done well
>> enough, that he can comfortably retire at 50.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> PS - something has changed and my replies are only going to the original
>> poster.
>>
>> On 9/15/2019 9:05 AM, James Peck wrote:
>>> He is working some overtime.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 4:34 PM
>>> To: James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Agricultural Equipment Diagnostic Technicians
>>>
>>> A good friend of mine went through high school, then into an
>>> apprenticeship program for pipe fitting and  HVAC, he's now an
>>> Unlimited Tonnage Journeyman pipe fitter and makes well into the 6
>>> figures without having to take any of the BS college courses.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2019 9:35 AM, James Peck wrote:
>>>> No mention of tractor mechanics, but this report seconds Cecil's
>>>> opinion.
>>>>
>>>> https://opportunityamericaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/OA_App
>>>> renticeshipReport_2019.pdf
>>>>
>>>> [cecil] <snip> Personally I think the apprenticeship programs are the
>>>> way to go.   <snip> _______________________________________________
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