[AT] Hydraulic flow question?

[Dennis Johnson]

Carl,

I think there may be a few issues going on:

1st - If moving or dead handing a cylinder causes the motor to stall, then the relief valve is set too high for that combination of tractor power and pump flow. Many valves have pressure set point between 2500 and 3000 PSI. A lot of older equipment worked at lower pressure. If you have a pressure gauge to can reset the relief vale adjustment and then deadhead one ram and read the pressure on the gauge. Many valves have a gauge port in them.

 Points 2 and 3 below are not direct causes of engine stalling but may effect the power and flow when the rams are moving.

2nd - 1/4 inch hoses seem small for anything bigger than a garden tractor. They could add restriction when the rams are moving.

3rd - valves have different spools with different tapers in the spool. This effects how much flow can pass at different handle positions. This may make it “feel” different than the old one.

Thanks
Dennis
 
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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Carl Gogol <cgogol1971 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> James,
> The circuit is simple.  It is a three spool mono block open center valve.
> It is good for about 20 GPM and the tractor's pump is about 12 GPM>
> High pressure oil from pump is first going through the valve's pressure
> relief valve; 
> 1-  next in line is the motor control spool, a 4-way with detents with oil
> returning to its companion port.  
> 2- Oil then flows to a 4-way port to ram #1. power extend, gravity return
> both on one of the spool's ports.  I'm not sure it is needed but this
> spool's companion port is never-the less connected to the return flow line.
> I used it on a similar mower and don't remember if this connection was
> required.  Don't see how it hurts even if it is unnecessary.
> 3- second ram is identical to #2 above but downstream from #2.
> 4- Finally oil is returned to the reservoir
> Carl
> Manlius, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of James Peck
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Hydraulic flow question?
> 
> I believe some hydraulic valves use orifices to limit spool speed. Can you
> sketch the circuit for us?
> 
> [Carl Gogol] I just finished replacing a triple valve on my International
> 140 that controls a side mount Alamo (triumph) sickle bar mower.  I did it
> because I had the valve and the motor control on the "new" valve would
> reverse the
> motor where the original would not.  This is handy when the mower jams.   
> The problem I created is the two controls for the hydraulic rams for
> positioning the cutter bar are connected with ¼" hoses but the valve's ports
> are all ½', -- but so were the original valve's.  
> Problem - just moving one of the control's levers for a ram will stall the
> tractor if opened all or most of the way.  
> One solution - Limit the movement of the ram spools in some manner like
> using a spacer to limit spool travel.
> Question - Is there a more hydraulicy correct way -  the original valve did
> not suffer this issue.  BTW- system is open center.
> Carl
> Manlius, NY
> 
> Humm- I wonder if the valve's high pressure bypass is not working or set too
> high?
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