[AT] OT Laus Deo Please shut this down....
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Fri Mar 1 04:54:28 PST 2019
My apologies, I did not intend to start a political discussion. Things
were a little slow and the article seemed to be very interesting and
somewhat historical... Sorry Spencer.
Cecil in Oklahoma
On 2/28/2019 10:05 PM, Mike M wrote:
> Shut this down quick, or Spencer will, this has no place on an antique
> tractor forum.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 2/28/2019 10:13 PM, bloomis at charter.net wrote:
>>
>> Agreed that this isn’t the place but nowhere does it say I can not be
>> free of religion if I so choose. Freedom is freedom. And I should be
>> free from anyone or group trying to dictate our laws, norms, or ways
>> of living based on THEIR religion. I no more want Muhammed, Christ,
>> or Cthulhu to be what I or anyone else has to live by. Ethics and
>> doing good deeds aren’t only brought forth by religion. My .02¢
>>
>> Bradford
>>
>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
>> *deanvp at att.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:45 PM
>> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>>
>> I’m uncomfortable discussing these issues on an Antique Tractor site
>> but I do not agree the portion of the phrase “”Congress shall make no
>> law respecting an establishment of religion” being equivalent to
>> “Freedom From Religion”. My interpretation is that no specific
>> religion will be promoted or established by the government. It does
>> not say the any religion will be prohibited. It does not say that
>> any religion will be outlawed. It just says the Government will not
>> dictate a specific one. No where does it say that we must be free
>> from Religion.
>>
>> Dean VP
>>
>> Apache junction, AZ
>>
>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Jim
>> Becker
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:21 PM
>> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>>
>> I’ve heard from any number of people that cast aspersions on Snopes.
>> Mostly it seems to come from people that have had their own hoaxes
>> debunked by Snopes, thus the attempts to undermine the site. I have
>> multiple times challenged people to point out something Snopes said
>> that is incorrect. Most of the challenged haven’t even tried. Those
>> that have have yet to succeed. This is not to say that Snopes never
>> gets something wrong. I’ve seen a couple of corrections that they
>> have posted when they find an error.
>>
>> As to the difference between between “Freedom of Religion” and
>> “Freedom from Religion”, one should keep in mind that the phrase
>> “Freedom of Religion” is just a commonly stated short form for that
>> the first amendment says and that specific phrase is not anywhere in
>> the amendment. The actual text concerning religion is:
>>
>> “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
>> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
>>
>> The portion in front of the comma is Freedom From Religion. The
>> portion after the comma is Freedom Of Religion.
>>
>> Jim Becker
>>
>> *From:*deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:05 PM
>>
>> *To:*'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>>
>> I appreciate this discussion and an attempt at trying to make things
>> as accurate as possible. However, using Snopes as proof of anything
>> is dangerous since they are very suspect of being biased in some of
>> their publications. Using alternatives such as
>> www.truthorfiction.com might provide less biased information. In
>> todays world it is hard to find out what the real truth really is. I
>> do want to comment that many of this country’s founding principles
>> are based on Christian Principles. I sometimes think we confuse the
>> difference between “ Freedom of Religion” vs “Freedom from Religion”.
>>
>> Dean VP
>>
>> Apache junction, AZ
>>
>> *From:*AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
>> *Spencer Yost
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:13 AM
>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>>
>> No problem Cecil, as this is generally interesting and reasonably
>> accurate although I would be remiss if I did not point out that
>> there are some significant factual problems with this. Some are small
>> (like the layout of the cross) while the most serious is probably
>> Washington’s prayer. It was never prayer, is misquoted, and was
>> actually a circular or letter or some such.
>>
>> I mention this because I’ve seen it a number of times over the last
>> 20 years on the Internet every once in a while. Historically it has
>> been passed around to strengthen the idea that we are a Christian
>> political system rather than “religion free” political system.
>>
>> I am sure Snopes.com <http://Snopes.com> can fill you all in.
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me Spencer if this is out of line. I was so impressed
>> with this and thinking that my friends on the list would
>> appreciate it also. If I have offended anyone you have a delete
>> button. I don't believe this is political.
>>
>> Cecil
>>
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>> */LAUS DEO/*//
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>> //
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>> ////
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>> /On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in
>> Washington, DC, are displayed two words: Laus Deo. No/
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>> /one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the/
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>> /monument are totally unaware they are even there and /
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>> /for that matter, probably couldn't care less. ///
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>> ////
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>> //
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>> /Once you know Laus Deo's history, you////will want to share/
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>> /this with everyone you know. These words have been there /
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>> /for many years; they are 555 feet, 5.125 inches high, ///
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>> /perched atop the monument, facing skyward to the Father ///
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>> /of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise /
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>> /the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of ///
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>> /America. /
>>
>> ////
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>> */Laus Deo!/***/Two seemingly insignificant/,/unnoticed words.. /
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>> /Out of sight and, one might think, out of mind, but very ///
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>> /meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is /
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>> /the most powerful city in the most successful nation /
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>> /in the world. /
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>> /**///
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>> S/o, what do those two words, in Latin, composed/
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>> /of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly /
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>> /mean? Very simply, they say, ///
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>> */"Praise be to God."/*
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>> //
>>
>> /Though construction of this giant obelisk /
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>> /began in 1848, when James Polk was President /
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>> /of the United States , it was not until 1888 /
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>> /that the monument was inaugurated and opened/
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>> /to the public. It took twenty-five years to/
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>> /finally cap the memorial with a tribute to /
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>> /the Father of our nation, Laus Deo. "Praise /
>>
>> /be to God!" From atop this magnificent granite /
>>
>> /and marble structure, visitors may take in /
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>> /the beautiful panoramic view of the city with /
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>> /its division into four major segments. From /
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>> /that vantage point, one can also easily see /
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>> /the original plan of the designer, Pierre /
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>> /Charles l'Enfant...a perfect cross imposed /
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>> /upon the landscape, with the White House /
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>> /to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is /
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>> /to the south, the Capitol to the east and /
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>> /the Lincoln Memorial to the west./
>>
>> ////
>>
>> /A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of /
>>
>> /church and state? Yes, a cross; separation of church and /
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>> /state /*/was not, /**/is not, in the Constitution./**//*/So/*//*
>>
>> /read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry/
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>> /a profound meaning for those who bother to notice. /
>>
>> */Praise be to God!/*/Within the monument itself/
>>
>> /are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs/
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>> /the steps and pauses at the landings the/
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>> /memorial stones share a message.../
>>
>> /On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered /
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>> /by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a /
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>> /memorial presented by some Chinese /
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>> /Christians; on the 24th a presentation made /
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>> /by Sunday School children from New York /
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>> /and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7, /
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>> /Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6. ///
>>
>> /*Praise be to God*/*! *
>>
>> /When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was/
>>
>> /laid on July 4th, 1848 /
>>
>> /deposited within it were many items including /
>>
>> /the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be /
>>
>> /to God! Such was the discipline, /
>>
>> /the moral direction, and the spiritual mood /
>>
>> /given by the founder and first President of /
>>
>> /our unique Democratic Republic "/*/One Nation, Under God." /*
>>
>> I am awed by Washington 's prayer for
>>
>> America. Have you ever read it?
>>
>> /"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer /
>>
>> /that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy/
>>
>> /holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the /
>>
>> /hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit /
>>
>> /of subordination and obedience to government; /
>>
>> /and entertain a brotherly affection and love /
>>
>> /for one another and for their fellow citizens/
>>
>> /of the United States at large. And finally /
>>
>> /that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased /
>>
>> /to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, /
>>
>> /and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, /
>>
>> /and pacific temper of mind which /
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>> /were the characteristics of the Divine Author /
>>
>> /of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation /
>>
>> /of whose example in these things we can never hope to /
>>
>> /be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech /
>>
>> /Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen./"
>>
>> */Laus Deo!/*
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>> */**/*
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>> //
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>> ///When one stops to observe the inscriptions /
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>> /found in public places all over our nation's /
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>> /capitol, he or she will easily find the signature /
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>> /of God, as it is unmistakably inscribed /
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>> /everywhere you look. You may forget the /
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>> /width and height of /*/"Laus Deo "/*/, its location,/
>>
>> /or the architects but no one who reads this /
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>> /will be able to forget its meaning, or these /
>>
>> /words: "Unless the Lord builds the house its builders labor /
>>
>> /in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, /
>>
>> /the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Psalm 127: 1) /
>>
>> /
>> /*Hope you will send on so that others can *//
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>> /*receive a lesson in history that they probably */
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>> /*never learned in school! */
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