[AT] Radiator situation

Thu Jun 20 07:17:29 PDT 2019

Is the coil matched to the new electronic ignition or is it the original?

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 7:35 PM Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com>
wrote:

> Yes, but it moves the new ignition system or module up higher on the list
> of potential problems
>
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Mark Greer <magreer67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since he said he just installed an electronic ignition, we can probably
> rule out a bad condensor.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM joehardy <joehardy at epix.net> wrote:
>
>> Had similar problems with our oliver 77. Frustrating but found had
>> condenser that was faulty. Joe Hardisky ryman farm dallas pa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com>
>> Date: 6/17/19 10:54 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation
>>
>> I agree that 2 problems are described here.
>>
>> Also agree that bubbles in coolant are most likely a head gasket or
>> cracked head. For occasional use run with the radiator cap loose and that
>> should let the bubbles escape without loosing coolant. For occasional use
>> you can run like this for a long time.
>>
>> My thought is the second problem of engine quitting is some electrical
>> device getting hot and it stops working, such as a coil. When it cools down
>> it starts working again.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tyler, sorry you had problems on the ride. After reading you whole post I
>> would first assume the two issues are unrelated but... here is how they may
>> be related.  Have you checked the timing with a timing light?  It is
>> possible that the timing of the spark may be too early causing the spark to
>> occur too soon. That would cause the engine to run too hot. That may be the
>> reason the ignition is cutting out and the radiator coolant to be raising
>> too high znxx overflowing. Sometimes it is hard to differentiate the
>> coolant bubbles being caused by the water pump versus a compression leak.
>> So I would set that aside for awhile. First problem to solve is the engine
>> cutting out. First obtain or order a temperature gauge. While waiting for
>> it check the timing with a timing light. IF thzt is ok then check for poor
>> or loose connections. After getting the temp gauge installed go for a test
>> run. Then pursue the coolant issue.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Tyler Juranek
>> <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Last Saturday, June 8, I took my Oliver 88 on a tractor ride. I have
>> been on this ride for five years, and it In the first, and hopefully
>> the last, year I didn't finish.
>> I had just put an electronic ignition on it with a new coil, spark
>> plugs, wires and cap. On the ride, I rode for quite awhile, (I don't
>> remember how many miles), and stopped for a break. I started it back
>> up, and we kept going. The tractor was running like a sewing machine.
>> Just purring away.
>> And then all of a sudden, at full throttle, I am running, running,
>> running, and then it died. No smoke, no leak, nothing. It just quit.
>> So, they pulled me with another tractor to the side of an elevator.
>> One of the guys said, "Tyler, try starting that again. Might just be a
>> vapor lock." So I pushed the button. Sure enough, it started again! It
>> ran like an Oliver for another 8 miles, and did the same thing again.
>> This time, some antifreeze leaked on the bottom, but it was a "drip
>> drip" and then it quit. So it got towed to a guys house, of whom I
>> knew, and I hopped on a people hauler to finish the ride.
>> I went back, and started it, and had someone drive it onto the
>> trailer for me. (Remember, I'm visually impaired). It ran fine then
>> also.
>> So I brought it home, put it into the shed. I took both hoses and
>> clamps off, and found a half galon of coolant came out.
>> Anyway, we cleaned the fittings up, put new hoses and clamps on, and
>> bought some water in the gallon jugs at the grocery store. (We had to
>> replace the pump in our well, and so there's a lot of rust in it now
>> and didn't want to put that in). Anyway, a few days later, I proceeded
>> to fill it. My father brought over a funnel that had a little oil on
>> it. I wanted to clean it, but he said it wouldn't hurt. So when I
>> dumped the third gallon in, it made a small screech. We realized that
>> the radiator was full! It uses 4.5 gallons according to the book. It
>> was filled almost to the brim. (That's too full). So then I went to
>> start it. My father suggested that we leave the cap off so we could
>> see what was going on inside the radiator. So we started it, and like
>> always, it fired right up, and ran fine. However, I had filled the
>> radiator so full, it was a wet mess. So we left it outside for the
>> night so that the excess could just leak out and didn't make a mess on
>> the shed floor.
>> Yesterday, (Sunday) my grandpa, (The one who gave me the tractor),
>> was over for a meal and to visit. Grandpa obviously had grown up on
>> both an Oliver 70 Hart Parr, and an 88 like I have now. So all three
>> of us went out to look at it. We checked the radiator. It had
>> obviously leaked down to a "happy point." We added a pint of water,
>> just to make sure it was over the core.
>> So here again, I started it, it ran like an oliver the whole time.
>> However, in both instances I ran it, there have been air bubbles in
>> the radiator. Both times in running, there is no white smoke, the oil
>> looks great, and, as my grandfather said, both hoses are the same
>> temperature. I must also mention that when I had the hoses off, I
>> flushed the radiator 4 times. There is also supposed to be a
>> thermostat in the tractor, but apparently it never has had one since I
>> have had, or my grandfather has had the tractor. It never got hot. So,
>> this is what we know so far.
>> 1. The day of the tractor ride, it obviously got overheated a bit.
>> (We are all in agreement that somehow it had to be low on coolant.)
>> 2. My grandfather highly doubts its the head or the head gasket,
>> because the oil is fine.
>> 3. After 40 minutes of running each time, it didn't get overly hot.
>> (The temp gauge has never worked on this tractor, but just by feeling
>> the cap, it only felt "engine warm"
>> 3. It's not the water pump, because water is circulating just fine
>> and not leaking.
>> 4. It isn't boiling out on the sides of the radiator or anything
>> after running for awhile.
>> So, why might it be bubbling? There has to be an air pocket or
>> something somewhere that's causing this. The other thing that I am
>> wondering is, "Did the tractor always do this, and nobody realized it
>> until now, because there was no reason to pay attention to it?"
>> Should a person just run it down the road at full throttle for a
>> couple of miles to try to get the air out?
>> What does everyone think?
>> Thanks for any help, and sorry for the long post. This is my pride
>> and joy, and so I want to take great care of it, as always.
>> Take Care,
>> Tyler Juranek
>> IA
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