[AT] OT Laus Deo
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Thu Feb 28 20:05:37 PST 2019
Shut this down quick, or Spencer will, this has no place on an antique
tractor forum.
Mike M
On 2/28/2019 10:13 PM, bloomis at charter.net wrote:
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> Agreed that this isn’t the place but nowhere does it say I can not be
> free of religion if I so choose. Freedom is freedom. And I should be
> free from anyone or group trying to dictate our laws, norms, or ways
> of living based on THEIR religion. I no more want Muhammed, Christ, or
> Cthulhu to be what I or anyone else has to live by. Ethics and doing
> good deeds aren’t only brought forth by religion. My .02¢
>
> Bradford
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
> *deanvp at att.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:45 PM
> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>
> I’m uncomfortable discussing these issues on an Antique Tractor site
> but I do not agree the portion of the phrase “”Congress shall make no
> law respecting an establishment of religion” being equivalent to
> “Freedom From Religion”. My interpretation is that no specific
> religion will be promoted or established by the government. It does
> not say the any religion will be prohibited. It does not say that any
> religion will be outlawed. It just says the Government will not
> dictate a specific one. No where does it say that we must be free from
> Religion.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Apache junction, AZ
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jim Becker
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:21 PM
> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>
> I’ve heard from any number of people that cast aspersions on Snopes.
> Mostly it seems to come from people that have had their own hoaxes
> debunked by Snopes, thus the attempts to undermine the site. I have
> multiple times challenged people to point out something Snopes said
> that is incorrect. Most of the challenged haven’t even tried. Those
> that have have yet to succeed. This is not to say that Snopes never
> gets something wrong. I’ve seen a couple of corrections that they
> have posted when they find an error.
>
> As to the difference between between “Freedom of Religion” and
> “Freedom from Religion”, one should keep in mind that the phrase
> “Freedom of Religion” is just a commonly stated short form for that
> the first amendment says and that specific phrase is not anywhere in
> the amendment. The actual text concerning religion is:
>
> “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
>
> The portion in front of the comma is Freedom From Religion. The
> portion after the comma is Freedom Of Religion.
>
> Jim Becker
>
> *From:*deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:05 PM
>
> *To:*'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>
> I appreciate this discussion and an attempt at trying to make things
> as accurate as possible. However, using Snopes as proof of anything is
> dangerous since they are very suspect of being biased in some of
> their publications. Using alternatives such as www.truthorfiction.com
> <http://www.truthorfiction.com> might provide less biased
> information. In todays world it is hard to find out what the real
> truth really is. I do want to comment that many of this country’s
> founding principles are based on Christian Principles. I sometimes
> think we confuse the difference between “ Freedom of Religion” vs
> “Freedom from Religion”.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Apache junction, AZ
>
> *From:*AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> *On Behalf Of *Spencer Yost
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:13 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
>
> No problem Cecil, as this is generally interesting and reasonably
> accurate although I would be remiss if I did not point out that there
> are some significant factual problems with this. Some are small (like
> the layout of the cross) while the most serious is probably
> Washington’s prayer. It was never prayer, is misquoted, and was
> actually a circular or letter or some such.
>
> I mention this because I’ve seen it a number of times over the last 20
> years on the Internet every once in a while. Historically it has been
> passed around to strengthen the idea that we are a Christian political
> system rather than “religion free” political system.
>
> I am sure Snopes.com <http://Snopes.com> can fill you all in.
>
> Spencer Yost
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>
> Forgive me Spencer if this is out of line. I was so impressed
> with this and thinking that my friends on the list would
> appreciate it also. If I have offended anyone you have a delete
> button. I don't believe this is political.
>
> Cecil
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> */LAUS DEO/*//
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> ////
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> /On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in
> Washington, DC, are displayed two words: Laus Deo. No/
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> /one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the/
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> /monument are totally unaware they are even there and /
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> /for that matter, probably couldn't care less. ///
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> ////
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> //
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> /Once you know Laus Deo's history, you////will want to share/
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> /this with everyone you know. These words have been there /
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> /for many years; they are 555 feet, 5.125 inches high, ///
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> /perched atop the monument, facing skyward to the Father ///
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> /of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise /
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> /the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of ///
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> /America. /
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> ////
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> */Laus Deo!/***/Two seemingly insignificant/,/unnoticed words.. /
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> /Out of sight and, one might think, out of mind, but very ///
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> /meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is /
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> /the most powerful city in the most successful nation /
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> /in the world. /
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> /**///
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> S/o, what do those two words, in Latin, composed/
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> /of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly /
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> /mean? Very simply, they say, ///
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> */"Praise be to God."/*
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> //
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> /Though construction of this giant obelisk /
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> /began in 1848, when James Polk was President /
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> /of the United States , it was not until 1888 /
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> /that the monument was inaugurated and opened/
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> /to the public. It took twenty-five years to/
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> /finally cap the memorial with a tribute to /
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> /the Father of our nation, Laus Deo. "Praise /
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> /be to God!" From atop this magnificent granite /
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> /and marble structure, visitors may take in /
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> /the beautiful panoramic view of the city with /
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> /its division into four major segments. From /
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> /that vantage point, one can also easily see /
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> /the original plan of the designer, Pierre /
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> /Charles l'Enfant...a perfect cross imposed /
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> /upon the landscape, with the White House /
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> /to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is /
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> /to the south, the Capitol to the east and /
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> /the Lincoln Memorial to the west./
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> ////
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> /A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of /
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> /church and state? Yes, a cross; separation of church and /
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> /state /*/was not, /**/is not, in the Constitution./**//*/So/*//*
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> /read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry/
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> /a profound meaning for those who bother to notice. /
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> */Praise be to God!/*/Within the monument itself/
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> /are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs/
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> /the steps and pauses at the landings the/
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> /memorial stones share a message.../
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> /On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered /
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> /by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a /
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> /memorial presented by some Chinese /
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> /Christians; on the 24th a presentation made /
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> /by Sunday School children from New York /
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> /and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7, /
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> /Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6. ///
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> /*Praise be to God*/*! *
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> /When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was/
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> /laid on July 4th, 1848 /
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> /deposited within it were many items including /
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> /the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be /
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> /to God! Such was the discipline, /
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> /the moral direction, and the spiritual mood /
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> /given by the founder and first President of /
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> /our unique Democratic Republic "/*/One Nation, Under God." /*
>
> I am awed by Washington 's prayer for
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> America. Have you ever read it?
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> /"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer /
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> /that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy/
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> /holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the /
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> /hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit /
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> /of subordination and obedience to government; /
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> /and entertain a brotherly affection and love /
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> /for one another and for their fellow citizens/
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> /of the United States at large. And finally /
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> /that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased /
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> /to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, /
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> /and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, /
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> /and pacific temper of mind which /
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> /were the characteristics of the Divine Author /
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> /of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation /
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> /of whose example in these things we can never hope to /
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> /be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech /
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> /Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen./"
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> */Laus Deo!/*
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> */**/*
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> //
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> ///When one stops to observe the inscriptions /
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> /found in public places all over our nation's /
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> /capitol, he or she will easily find the signature /
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> /of God, as it is unmistakably inscribed /
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> /everywhere you look. You may forget the /
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> /width and height of /*/"Laus Deo "/*/, its location,/
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> /or the architects but no one who reads this /
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> /will be able to forget its meaning, or these /
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> /words: "Unless the Lord builds the house its builders labor /
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> /in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, /
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> /the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Psalm 127: 1) /
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> /*Hope you will send on so that others can *//
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> /*receive a lesson in history that they probably */
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> /*never learned in school! */
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