[AT] OT Laus Deo

Thu Feb 28 19:36:08 PST 2019

Let it rest y'all......if I wanted political/religious bi&ching I'd just
get on facebook........

Al

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:13 PM <bloomis at charter.net> wrote:

> Agreed that this isn’t the place but nowhere does it say I can not be free
> of religion if I so choose. Freedom is freedom. And I should be free from
> anyone or group trying to dictate our laws, norms, or ways of living based
> on THEIR religion. I no more want Muhammed, Christ, or Cthulhu to be what
> I or anyone else has to live by. Ethics and doing good deeds aren’t only
> brought forth by religion. My .02¢
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> Bradford
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> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *
> deanvp at att.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:45 PM
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> I’m uncomfortable  discussing these issues on an Antique Tractor site but
> I do not agree the portion of the phrase “”Congress shall make no law
> respecting an establishment of religion”  being equivalent to “Freedom From
> Religion”.   My interpretation is that no specific religion will be
> promoted or established by the government. It does not say the any religion
> will be prohibited.  It does not say that any religion will be outlawed. It
> just says the Government will not dictate a specific one. No where does it
> say that we must be free from Religion.
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> Dean VP
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> Apache junction, AZ
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> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Becker
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:21 PM
> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' <
> at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
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> I’ve heard from any number of people that cast aspersions on Snopes.
> Mostly it seems to come from people that have had their own hoaxes debunked
> by Snopes, thus the attempts to undermine the site.  I have multiple times
> challenged people to point out something Snopes said that is incorrect.
> Most of the challenged haven’t even tried.  Those that have have yet to
> succeed.  This is not to say that Snopes never gets something wrong.  I’ve
> seen a couple of corrections that they have posted when they find an error.
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> As to the difference between between “Freedom of Religion” and “Freedom
> from Religion”, one should keep in mind that the phrase “Freedom of
> Religion” is just a commonly stated short form for that the first amendment
> says and that specific phrase is not anywhere in the amendment.  The actual
> text concerning religion is:
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> “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
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> The portion in front of the comma is Freedom From Religion.  The portion
> after the comma is Freedom Of Religion.
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> Jim Becker
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> *From:* deanvp at att.net
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> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:05 PM
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> *To:* 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
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> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
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> I appreciate this discussion and an attempt at trying to make things as
> accurate as possible. However, using Snopes as proof of anything is
> dangerous since they are very suspect of being biased  in some of their
> publications.  Using alternatives such as www.truthorfiction.com might
> provide less biased information.   In todays world it is hard to find out
> what the real truth really is.  I do want to comment that many of this
> country’s founding principles are based on Christian Principles.  I
> sometimes think we confuse the difference between “ Freedom of Religion” vs
> “Freedom from Religion”.
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> Dean VP
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> Apache junction, AZ
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> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Spencer
> Yost
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:13 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
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> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT Laus Deo
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> No problem Cecil, as this is generally interesting and reasonably accurate
> although I would be remiss if I did not  point out that there are some
> significant factual problems with this. Some are small (like the layout of
> the cross) while the most serious is probably Washington’s prayer.  It was
> never prayer, is misquoted, and was actually a circular or letter or some
> such.
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> I mention this because I’ve seen it a number of times over the last 20
> years on the Internet every once in a while. Historically it has been
> passed around to strengthen the idea that we are a Christian political
> system  rather than “religion free” political system.
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> I am sure Snopes.com can fill you all in.
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> Spencer Yost
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> On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
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> Forgive me Spencer if this is out of line.  I was so impressed with this
> and thinking that my friends on the list would appreciate it also.  If I
> have offended anyone you have a delete button.  I don't believe this is
> political.
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> Cecil
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> *LAUS DEO*
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> *On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC, are
> displayed two words: Laus Deo. No*
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> *one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the*
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> *monument are totally unaware  they are even there and *
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> *for that matter,  probably couldn't care less. *
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> *Once you know Laus Deo's history, you* * will want to share*
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> *this with everyone you know. These words have been there *
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> *for many years; they are 555 feet, 5.125  inches high,  *
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> *perched  atop the monument, facing skyward to the Father *
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> *of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise  *
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> *the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of  *
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> *America. *
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> *Laus Deo!*  *Two seemingly insignificant*,*unnoticed words.. *
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> *Out of sight and, one might  think, out of mind, but very  *
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> *meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is   *
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> *the most powerful city in the most successful nation *
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> *in the world. *
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> S*o, what do those two words, in Latin, composed*
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> *of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly  *
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> *mean? Very simply, they say, *
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> *"Praise be to God."*
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> *Though construction of this giant obelisk  *
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> *began in 1848, when James Polk was President  *
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> *of the United States , it was not until 1888  *
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> *that the monument was inaugurated and opened*
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> *to the public. It took twenty-five years to*
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> *finally cap the memorial with a tribute to  *
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> *the Father of our nation, Laus Deo. "Praise  *
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> *be to God!" From atop this magnificent granite  *
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> *and  marble structure, visitors may take in  *
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> *the  beautiful panoramic view of the city with  *
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> *its division into four major segments. From  *
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> *that vantage point, one can also easily see  *
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> *the original plan of the designer, Pierre  *
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> *Charles l'Enfant...a perfect cross imposed  *
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> *upon the landscape, with the White House  *
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> *to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is  *
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> *to the south, the Capitol to the east and  *
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> *the Lincoln Memorial to the west.*
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> *A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of  *
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> *church and state? Yes, a cross; separation of church and  *
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> *state **was not, **is not, in the Constitution.* *So*
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> *read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry*
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> *a profound meaning for those who bother to notice. *
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> *Praise be to God!** Within the monument itself*
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> *are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs*
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> *the steps and pauses at the landings the*
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> *memorial stones share a message...*
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> *On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered  *
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> *by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a  *
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> *memorial presented by some Chinese  *
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> *Christians; on the 24th a presentation made  *
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> *by Sunday School children from New York  *
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> *and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7,  *
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> *Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6.  *
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> *Praise be to God**!     *
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> *When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was*
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> *laid on July 4th, 1848  *
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> *deposited within it were many items including  *
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> *the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be  *
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> *to God! Such was the discipline,  *
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> *the moral direction, and the spiritual mood  *
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> *given by the founder and first President of  *
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> *our unique Democratic Republic "**One Nation, Under God." *
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> I am awed by Washington 's prayer for
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> America. Have you ever read it?
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> *"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer  *
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> *that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy*
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> *holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the  *
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> *hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit  *
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> *of subordination and obedience to government;  *
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> *and entertain a brotherly affection and love  *
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> *for one another and for their fellow citizens*
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> *of the United States at large. And finally  *
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> *that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased  *
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> *to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy,  *
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> *and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility,  *
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> *and pacific temper of mind which  *
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> *were the characteristics of the Divine Author *
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> *of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation  *
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> *of whose example in these things we can never hope to  *
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> *be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech  *
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> *Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.*"
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> *Laus Deo!*
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>  *When one stops to observe the inscriptions  *
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> *found in public places all over our nation's  *
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> *capitol, he or she will easily find the signature  *
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> *of God, as it is unmistakably inscribed  *
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> *everywhere you look. You may forget the  *
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> *width and height of **"Laus Deo "**, its location,*
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> *or the architects but no one who reads this  *
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> *will be able to forget its meaning, or these  *
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> *words: "Unless the Lord builds the house its builders labor  *
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> *in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city,  *
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> *the watchmen stand guard in vain." (Psalm 127: 1)  *
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> *Hope you will send on so that others can  *
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> *receive a lesson in history that they probably  *
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> *never learned in school! *
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