[AT] Of the 10 worst tractors, two were made by Fiat. 4 were from brands eventually acquired by Fiat.

[Al Jones]

Most of the article was drivel, based on second hand information.  And I
strongly dislike Fords and MFs.

Al

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Indiana Robinson <robinson46176 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As an old geezer...
> Our information pool was typically smallish and pretty local. What we did
> know was often quite a bit about the guys that were bad-mouthing a tractor
> or implement. Many times we knew whether or not he belonged to the club
> that my father used to refer to as "just being rough on rat's"...  My own
> statement has long been "He could break an anvil while straightening
> feathers."  😀  If they were in that club you deeply discounted their
> opinion. In today's wide open Internet world we don't usually know that
> about those who express opinions.
> By the same token there were those in the area who's opinion we respected
> very highly.
>
>
> .
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 9:28 AM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> That was my very first question too.  Looks like he’s just writing
>> article to write an article. He found some complaints and put them on the
>> list.     I owned an MT and could not get rid of it fast enough. It was not
>> a terribly useful tractor.   I don’t think it belonged on the 10 worst of
>> all time though.
>>
>> But this brings up the sampling error prevalent in so many opinions that
>> I hear. It’s becoming very rare to run across the folks like Herb Metz,
>> George Willer, Gene Dotson, Gil Schwartz and others , who were around and
>> using these machines when they were new. They  probably are the only ones
>> that have an accurate picture of what was a lemon and what wasn’t. I’m 57,
>>  so in reality I am only familiar with each models “survivors” - “residents
>> of the right hand tail of the bell curve” if you will, and  clearly not the
>> units that were  lemons.
>>
>> I really like my Ford 861, but did I just get one of the top 10% made in
>> terms of quality and workmanship? If I had bought one new in the late 50s
>> would I have had a 15% chance of buying one causing nothing but heartache
>> and grief? Being this young I can’t answer this question.
>>
>> Sampling bias is real, alive, and loose in the world. You always have to
>> guard against it
>>
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:37 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What makes that guy the authority on the subject?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Two of the 10 were made by Fiat. Another 4 were from brands eventually
>>> acquired by Fiat. Amazingly jd has 2 of the 10.
>>>
>>> Massey Ferguson had a dud. They used a Cat engine. Should have stayed
>>> with Perkins.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.brushcountryfarm.com/2018/05/10worst-tractors-of-all-time-i-enjoyed.html
>>>
>>> https://harryferguson.blogspot.com
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/groups/5103068/
>>>
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