[AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
deanvp at att.net
deanvp at att.net
Tue Dec 24 16:48:56 PST 2019
I appreciate all the helpful suggestions. We are trying to move on..
Dean VP
Snohomish, WA 98290
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Dean,
What you experienced is something nobody really wants to go through, whether it’s someone you knew, or a total stranger. This is one of those things that occurs as part of life and there is nothing that can be one to prevent it. Take some comfort in the fact that it was you who found him and not his mother. Had she been the one, it may have been too much for her and there could have been additional losses.
Carl
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From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
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Sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:37:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
Dean:
Nothing I can say can alleviate what you have experienced. I have had those experiences and pulled one older fellow out of a round baler. It stays with you for a few nights. I am lucky in that I seem to be able to analyze what happened step by step. That is my method for coping with those bad experiences.
Cecil
On 12/23/2019 4:59 PM, partzpicker at yahoo.com wrote:
> Wow, Dean, that was a shocking experience for you. I hope you have
> someone to talk your feelings out to. I know from experience that
> that helps, because as an EMT, I ran into that type of situation more
> than once. I hope you, and his mother can come to grips with the
> situation. My prayers are for both of you.
>
> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 01:58:02 PM CST, deanvp <deanvp at att.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I have just had a terrible experience. I mentioned earlier about my
> Trailer Queen buying experience from the son of a close friend on AZ
> who passed away on November. I went over there today and found the son
> on the floor of the shop passed away some time during the night. What
> a thing to walk into. I just can't fathom how his mother who just
> lost her husband last month and now also a son is going to handle
> this. She is not in good health either. When it rains it pours.
> Really a disturbing day
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/23/19 9:44 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
>
> Ok thanks Cecil. Mine is definitely not a 350-lb Idealarc. Mine is
> just an older version of this $700 MSRP machine ($620 on Amazon and
> Home Depot)
>
> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/Equipment/Pages/product.aspx?pro
> duct=K1297(LincolnElectric)
>
>
> PS: plexiglas? I get that you need electrical isolation since
> polarity is backward, but don't those diodes need to be heat-sinked?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:22 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>
> It doesn't have to be old Maybe I should have stated that what
> sets these welders apart is the IDEALARC 250 designation, that
> welder sells new for MSRP 2892.00 see this link
> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx
> The new ones are square box not the old tombstone. I have a
> couple of the newer ones here that I have not checked out. The
> one I use all the time had a burned out diode and I found one on
> Ebay but it was the wrong polarity, so I mounted it on plexiglass
> and ran it reversed and it works fine. Liincoln wants over $300
> for the diodes. I got mine for $20 !! The diodes are all I have
> ever had to replace on them. The transformers are built
> extremely heavy. The welder weighs probably 350lbs. There are
> some on Ebay for about $600 but the shipping runs the cost up.
> Like everything at Farm sales, there is someone there who has some
> sentimental attachment to the item and pays a fortune. I saw 2
> brothers bid on an old desk that belonged to their Uncle and paid
> over $2500 for a desk that I have seen in a thrift store for $20
> !!!!!!
> Cecil
>
> On 12/23/2019 7:27 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>> Again I inquire, how old is old? Is my late '70's ish tombstone
>> old enough? (I'd take a grand for it in a heartbeat and put it
>> towards a modern TIG/stick unit)
>>
>> SO
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 8:13 AM Cecil Bearden
>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>
>> At a Farm sale about 3 months ago, an old 225 AC/DC Lincoln
>> went for $1200, the leads were about to fall apart. It
>> looked like it had a rod holder from 1945!!
>> Cecil
>>
>> On 12/23/2019 6:30 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>> Hold on, you say old LIncoln tombstones go for a grand? How
>>> old do they have to be? I've got a 225 AC/DC that I picked
>>> up at an auction for $50, had to be 20 years ago, and it was
>>> certainly not new then. As a wild guess I'd say it must be
>>> late '70's to early 80's. Externally it doesn't seem much
>>> different from modern ones and I greatly doubt mine is old
>>> enough to be worth anything. Curious though.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden
>>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I always wanted an old Lincoln "tombstone"225 AC/DC
>>> welder. They sell at auction for over $1000. An old
>>> local farmer had an estate auction and I was at the back
>>> of the crowd when his Lincoln Tombstone welder came up
>>> for auction. I got it for $400, but after I got it home
>>> is was a tombstone, but it was AC only..... I finally
>>> got the chance to buy one on Craigs list for $600. Then
>>> a year later I bought 4 that had been rebuilt for a
>>> VO-Tech out west for $450 for the lot!!! I first
>>> welded with one of them during college at OSU. I fell
>>> in love with the welder. Those welders have an open
>>> arc voltage of about 90V. They will make you jump when
>>> welding on wet stuff... However, they run 7018 LH as
>>> pretty as you could ever want. I have mounted one on a
>>> 15KW generator for a portable welder. It works great
>>> and I have plenty of power to run grinders etc.
>>> Cecil
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, deanvp at att.net
>>> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I purchased my used Lincoln 225 AMP arc welder for $100
>>>> at a swap meet. It is quite old. I haven’t taken the
>>>> time to try to figure out how old but I wanted to buy
>>>> an older one after looking at new ones. I looked at the
>>>> guts of a new one vs how the old ones were built and
>>>> decided an old one would last longer and probably weld
>>>> better. I’ve had it 10 years and it is ready to go
>>>> every time I need it. IMHO, sometimes new isn’t always
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> Dean VP
>>>>
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> *From:*AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Mike M
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:38 AM
>>>> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
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>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too
>>>> expensive
>>>>
>>>> I've also seen people bid way too high, they get caught
>>>> up in the excitement. I was standing next to a guy who
>>>> was bidding on an old tombstone welder. I wanted it
>>>> too. I think he ended up paying $300 for it. You could
>>>> buy a new one for less than that. It's pays to know
>>>> what things cost before bidding on them. I was bidding,
>>>> but dropped out at $150, because that is all I was
>>>> willing to pay.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On 12/22/2019 12:13 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have all seen it: the tractor the seller is
>>>> asking way too much for. Or conversely; why buyers
>>>> don’t show up for our obviously wonderful tractor
>>>> that we post in EBay/Craigslist/whatever.
>>>>
>>>> So listening to podcasts tonight, I ran across a
>>>> podcast that was discussing many things, including
>>>> a discussion with a psychologist from Berkeley who
>>>> was explaining the “endowment effect”. I was
>>>> unaware of this. Though I had intuited it many
>>>> times I did not know it was a “thing”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Long story short it explains why people often seem
>>>> to ask way more for a tractor that I’m willing to pay.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=endowment+
>>>> effect&oq=endowment+
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, this is true regardless of how long
>>>> they owned it or whether it had any other type
>>>> (e.g. nostalgia) of value.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the podcast did not describe how I,
>>>> the buyer, could negotiate my way around this.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I will be that seller if I ever sell the
>>>> Pacer. (-;
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
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