[AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive

Mon Dec 23 14:40:07 PST 2019

Dean:

That is unfathomable.  I'm sure an experience like that would shake me to
the core.  But, we're still standing - whereas that poor mother has lost a
husband and a son, and this close to Christmas... I have no words.  Just
terrible.  Godspeed to all.

Steve O.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:58 PM deanvp <deanvp at att.net> wrote:

> I have just had a terrible experience. I mentioned earlier about my
> Trailer Queen buying experience from the son of a close friend on AZ who
> passed away on November. I went over there today and found the son on the
> floor of the shop passed away some time during the night. What a thing to
> walk into.  I just can't fathom how his mother who just lost her husband
> last month and now also a son is going to handle this.  She is not in good
> health either. When it rains it pours.  Really a disturbing day
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/23/19 9:44 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
>
> Ok thanks Cecil.  Mine is definitely not a 350-lb Idealarc.  Mine is just
> an older version of this $700 MSRP machine ($620 on Amazon and Home Depot)
>
>
> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/Equipment/Pages/product.aspx?product=K1297(LincolnElectric)
>
>
> PS:  plexiglas?  I get that you need electrical isolation since polarity
> is backward, but don't those diodes need to be heat-sinked?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:22 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't have to be old   Maybe I should have stated that what sets
>> these welders apart is the IDEALARC 250 designation, that welder sells new
>> for MSRP 2892.00  see this link
>> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx
>> The new ones are square box not the old tombstone.  I have a couple of the
>> newer ones here that I have not checked out.  The one I use all the time
>> had a burned out diode and I found one on Ebay but it was the wrong
>> polarity, so I mounted it on plexiglass and ran it reversed and it works
>> fine.  Liincoln wants over $300 for the diodes.  I got mine for $20 !!
>> The diodes are all I have ever had to replace on them.   The transformers
>> are built extremely heavy.  The welder weighs probably 350lbs.  There are
>> some on Ebay for about $600 but the shipping runs the cost up.  Like
>> everything at Farm sales, there is someone there who has some sentimental
>> attachment to the item and pays a fortune.   I saw 2 brothers bid on an old
>> desk that belonged to their Uncle and paid over $2500 for a desk that I
>> have seen in a thrift store for $20 !!!!!!
>> Cecil
>> On 12/23/2019 7:27 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>
>> Again I inquire, how old is old?  Is my late '70's  ish tombstone old
>> enough?  (I'd take a grand for it in a heartbeat and put it towards a
>> modern TIG/stick unit)
>>
>> SO
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 8:13 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At a Farm sale about 3 months ago, an old 225 AC/DC Lincoln went for
>>> $1200, the leads were about to fall apart.  It looked like it had a rod
>>> holder from 1945!!
>>> Cecil
>>> On 12/23/2019 6:30 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Hold on, you say old LIncoln tombstones go for a grand?  How old do they
>>> have to be?  I've got a 225 AC/DC that I picked up at an auction for $50,
>>> had to be 20 years ago, and it was certainly not new then.  As a wild guess
>>> I'd say it must be late '70's to early 80's.  Externally it doesn't seem
>>> much different from modern ones and I greatly doubt mine is old enough to
>>> be worth anything.  Curious though.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I always wanted an old Lincoln "tombstone"225 AC/DC welder.  They sell
>>>> at auction for over $1000.    An old local farmer had an estate auction and
>>>> I was at the back of the crowd when his Lincoln Tombstone welder came up
>>>> for auction.  I got it for $400, but after I got it home is was a
>>>> tombstone, but it was AC only.....  I finally got the chance to buy one on
>>>> Craigs list for $600.  Then a year later I bought 4 that had been rebuilt
>>>> for a VO-Tech out west for $450 for the lot!!!   I first welded with one of
>>>> them during college at OSU.  I fell in love with the welder.   Those
>>>> welders have an open arc voltage of about 90V.  They will make you jump
>>>> when welding on wet stuff...  However, they run 7018 LH as pretty as you
>>>> could ever want.  I have mounted one on a 15KW generator for a portable
>>>> welder.  It works great and I have plenty of power to run grinders etc.
>>>> Cecil
>>>> On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I purchased my used Lincoln 225 AMP arc welder for $100 at a swap meet.
>>>> It is quite old. I haven’t taken the time to try to figure out how old but
>>>> I wanted to buy an older one after looking at new ones. I looked at the
>>>> guts of a new one vs how the old ones were built and decided an old one
>>>> would last longer and probably weld better.  I’ve had it 10 years and it is
>>>> ready to go every time I need it.  IMHO, sometimes new isn’t always better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dean VP
>>>>
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike M
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:38 AM
>>>> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've also seen people bid way too high, they get caught up in the
>>>> excitement. I was standing next to a guy who was bidding on an old
>>>> tombstone welder. I wanted it too. I think he ended up paying $300 for it.
>>>> You could buy a new one for less than that. It's pays to know what things
>>>> cost before bidding on them. I was bidding, but dropped out at $150,
>>>> because that is all I was willing to pay.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On 12/22/2019 12:13 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> We have all seen it:  the tractor the seller is asking way too much
>>>> for.  Or conversely; why buyers don’t show up for our obviously wonderful
>>>> tractor that we post in EBay/Craigslist/whatever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So listening to podcasts tonight, I ran across a podcast that was
>>>> discussing many things, including a discussion with a psychologist from
>>>> Berkeley who was explaining the “endowment effect”. I was unaware of
>>>> this. Though I had intuited it many times I did not know it was a “thing”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Long story short it explains why people often seem to ask way more for
>>>> a tractor that I’m willing to pay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=endowment+effect&oq=endowment+
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, this is true regardless of how long they owned it or
>>>> whether it had any other type (e.g. nostalgia) of value.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the podcast did not describe how I, the buyer, could
>>>> negotiate my way around this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS:   I will be that seller if I ever sell the Pacer. (-;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
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