[AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive

Mon Dec 23 08:43:30 PST 2019

Ok thanks Cecil.  Mine is definitely not a 350-lb Idealarc.  Mine is just
an older version of this $700 MSRP machine ($620 on Amazon and Home Depot)

https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/Equipment/Pages/product.aspx?product=K1297(LincolnElectric)

PS:  plexiglas?  I get that you need electrical isolation since polarity is
backward, but don't those diodes need to be heat-sinked?

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:22 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:

> It doesn't have to be old   Maybe I should have stated that what sets
> these welders apart is the IDEALARC 250 designation, that welder sells new
> for MSRP 2892.00  see this link
> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx
> The new ones are square box not the old tombstone.  I have a couple of the
> newer ones here that I have not checked out.  The one I use all the time
> had a burned out diode and I found one on Ebay but it was the wrong
> polarity, so I mounted it on plexiglass and ran it reversed and it works
> fine.  Liincoln wants over $300 for the diodes.  I got mine for $20 !!
> The diodes are all I have ever had to replace on them.   The transformers
> are built extremely heavy.  The welder weighs probably 350lbs.  There are
> some on Ebay for about $600 but the shipping runs the cost up.  Like
> everything at Farm sales, there is someone there who has some sentimental
> attachment to the item and pays a fortune.   I saw 2 brothers bid on an old
> desk that belonged to their Uncle and paid over $2500 for a desk that I
> have seen in a thrift store for $20 !!!!!!
> Cecil
> On 12/23/2019 7:27 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>
> Again I inquire, how old is old?  Is my late '70's  ish tombstone old
> enough?  (I'd take a grand for it in a heartbeat and put it towards a
> modern TIG/stick unit)
>
> SO
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 8:13 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> wrote:
>
>> At a Farm sale about 3 months ago, an old 225 AC/DC Lincoln went for
>> $1200, the leads were about to fall apart.  It looked like it had a rod
>> holder from 1945!!
>> Cecil
>> On 12/23/2019 6:30 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>
>> Hold on, you say old LIncoln tombstones go for a grand?  How old do they
>> have to be?  I've got a 225 AC/DC that I picked up at an auction for $50,
>> had to be 20 years ago, and it was certainly not new then.  As a wild guess
>> I'd say it must be late '70's to early 80's.  Externally it doesn't seem
>> much different from modern ones and I greatly doubt mine is old enough to
>> be worth anything.  Curious though.
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I always wanted an old Lincoln "tombstone"225 AC/DC welder.  They sell
>>> at auction for over $1000.    An old local farmer had an estate auction and
>>> I was at the back of the crowd when his Lincoln Tombstone welder came up
>>> for auction.  I got it for $400, but after I got it home is was a
>>> tombstone, but it was AC only.....  I finally got the chance to buy one on
>>> Craigs list for $600.  Then a year later I bought 4 that had been rebuilt
>>> for a VO-Tech out west for $450 for the lot!!!   I first welded with one of
>>> them during college at OSU.  I fell in love with the welder.   Those
>>> welders have an open arc voltage of about 90V.  They will make you jump
>>> when welding on wet stuff...  However, they run 7018 LH as pretty as you
>>> could ever want.  I have mounted one on a 15KW generator for a portable
>>> welder.  It works great and I have plenty of power to run grinders etc.
>>> Cecil
>>> On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I purchased my used Lincoln 225 AMP arc welder for $100 at a swap meet.
>>> It is quite old. I haven’t taken the time to try to figure out how old but
>>> I wanted to buy an older one after looking at new ones. I looked at the
>>> guts of a new one vs how the old ones were built and decided an old one
>>> would last longer and probably weld better.  I’ve had it 10 years and it is
>>> ready to go every time I need it.  IMHO, sometimes new isn’t always better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dean VP
>>>
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:38 AM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
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>>>
>>>
>>> I've also seen people bid way too high, they get caught up in the
>>> excitement. I was standing next to a guy who was bidding on an old
>>> tombstone welder. I wanted it too. I think he ended up paying $300 for it.
>>> You could buy a new one for less than that. It's pays to know what things
>>> cost before bidding on them. I was bidding, but dropped out at $150,
>>> because that is all I was willing to pay.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2019 12:13 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> We have all seen it:  the tractor the seller is asking way too much
>>> for.  Or conversely; why buyers don’t show up for our obviously wonderful
>>> tractor that we post in EBay/Craigslist/whatever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So listening to podcasts tonight, I ran across a podcast that was
>>> discussing many things, including a discussion with a psychologist from
>>> Berkeley who was explaining the “endowment effect”. I was unaware of
>>> this. Though I had intuited it many times I did not know it was a “thing”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Long story short it explains why people often seem to ask way more for a
>>> tractor that I’m willing to pay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=endowment+effect&oq=endowment+
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interestingly, this is true regardless of how long they owned it or
>>> whether it had any other type (e.g. nostalgia) of value.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the podcast did not describe how I, the buyer, could
>>> negotiate my way around this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS:   I will be that seller if I ever sell the Pacer. (-;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
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