[AT] 430V

[charlie hill]

Spencer.  Try one thing if it's not too much trouble.
I don't know enough about that tractor to know how
difficult it might be.  Remove the starter and make
sure the drive gear on the starter is not stuck in the
flywheel.  I just have a feeling your stick is not in the
engine.  Just a gut feeling.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Spencer Yost
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:59 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] 430V

It's great to hear from you Gil, I appreciate  the advice.

Since I last wrote I tried a couple more times with the electric starter, 
still no go. I have also tried a hydraulic jack against the counter weight 
of the crankshaft. All it did was lift the front of the tractor. I did make 
a concerted effort to confirm the number two cylinder was not stuck. 
Obviously I can't be 100% sure but it drains penetrating fluid quickly from 
what appears to be the entire circumference.

Continued some gentle rapping on the number one piston with the rubber 
mallet and wood stick. I have continued to add air pressure to the cylinder, 
now with ATF as the penetrating  fluid.

After continued inspection, I have determined that what I am fighting is 
limited water intrusion on a very low hour engine that has no wear or slop. 
If it had been as worn as most tractors from the 50s, I don't believe the 
amount of water as evidenced by the limited amount of rust would have stuck 
the engine.

The cabling necessary to get pictures for you folks is on its way.  But that 
will be next week sometime.

It turns out that our backyard iron pot  has been used for dying  fleece by 
the wife. I don't think I want to add dyed water to the tractor(once you dye 
in iron, everything you put in will be dyed for many, many months). I think 
I want to look into the magnetic heaters that I think Cecil recommended. But 
anecdotally I have heard many folks have mixed results with them. Are there 
any brands or models with you folks can recommend? Us folks in the south 
don't have to know about these things.  (-:

Spencer Yost

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 5:41 PM, vschwartz1 at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Spencer;
> I have fought the urge to jump into this fray about as along as I can 
> stand it. So here goes. With all of the things that you have tried and all 
> of the very good ideas that have come from the various members, I feel 
> that your only problem left is simply that the engine will not turn. The 
> various and sundry efforts have been to no avail. I feel that the real 
> problem is that close proximity to TDC and BDC make it near impossible to 
> apply any great pressure to that non-rotating engine. I believe at this 
> point I would try to apply some hydraulic pressure to the number two crank 
> throw. I believe it would be near impossible to apply any appreciable down 
> pressure to the number one throw. I certainly do believe that if you get 
> the right pressure in the right spot, the engine will turn. I am 
> definitely not a fan of hammer blows, at least not formidable hammer blows 
> unless you are in a position of reducing something to junk.
> I do believe that you will succeed. This tractor has not had that much 
> lockup time.
> Good luck with it.
> Gil


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