[AT] 430V

Sun Sep 3 03:20:01 PDT 2017

You are correct about the gearing Spencer. I learned that at a very young
age. Here on the farm we pull started a lot of vehicles, especially in cold
weather. It didn't take me long to realize that if I put the tractor being
pulled in low gear most of the  time the back wheels would just slide but
if I put it in high gear the engine would turn.
I was too young to be directly involved back in the late 1940's when we had
the McCormick 10-20 which didn't have electric start but I recall my folks
using the 9N Ford to pull-start it in cold weather. After the new TO-20
Ferguson arrived the 10-20 didn't get much use so my father traded it for a
good used car.
When you had several vehicles you used to concentrate on always having one
that would start so you could start the others all winter.  :-)
 An older good friend of my father was in Russia during WW-I. He used to
tell of the army having a lot of John Deere built trucks and how they would
always keep at least one running 24 hours so it could be used to pull-start
the other at any time during the bitter Russian winter.
We had a long time neighbor that had a steep hill between his barn-lot and
a good sized creek. His stuff usually didn't run very good, let alone
start. His wife was a school teacher so he was usually working alone. He
would park his main tractor, an Oliver 77 then, at the top of the hill each
day so he could let it roll down the hill to start it. My father once asked
him what he would do if it didn't start and he joked that he would just get
off and let it roll on into the creek...  :-)
Different times...

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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 12:35 AM, <toma at risingnet.net> wrote:

>
> I think a little shock action (clunk clunk back and forth)  in 5th gear
> may produce better results than constant weight.
> Tom
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> Sent from myMail app for Android Saturday, 02 September 2017, 08:58PM
> -0700 from Spencer Yost < yostsw at atis.net> :
>
> >I just checked on the tractor and Nada.  The hoist cylinder is holding,
> and now that I think about it, I think I did replace the cylinder about
> eight or 10 years ago. I think the fear I have about the cylinder not
> holding relates to the old one that I used to have that I have since
> replaced.
> >
> >I had not thought about the 4x4 straps, but I had thought about moving
> the hoist back some. I have limited space to work with, so I ruled that
> out.  As for weights I may add some tomorrow. I have some weights from the
> John Deere B I used to own, and some weights  for my Pacer that are not
> installed currently.   As for gearing I am using fifth gear. I did only
> earn a B in or physics so I may be wrong about this; but I believe 5th
> gear(this tractor does have the 5 speed option) on the wheel is the same
> thing as first gear in normal engine powered circumstances and would
> generate the most torque.  I would love some discussion on this. I don't
> have a lot of confidence in my understanding.
> >
> >Spencer Yost
> >
> >
> >
> >Spencer Yost
> >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Dean VP < deanvp at att.net > wrote:
> >>
> >> What would increase the torque would be strapping a 4x4 to each wheel
> and
> >> then using the hoist 6 feet or so feet back away from the wheels.
> Adding
> >> weight to the tractor over the axle will also help.  I'd have to think
> about
> >> it  a bit which gear would transmit the most torque to the engine.
> >> Inserting the right length board under the hoist would eliminate any
> leak
> >> down.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:  at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer Yost
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 6:02 PM
> >> To:  at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> Subject: [AT] 430V
> >>
> >> The shop reorganization happened today, so I had the opportunity to try
> to
> >> apply constant pressure to the engine by raising the rear wheels. An
> engine
> >> hoist and a fence stretcher used as a spreader bar seems to fit the
> bill.
> >> The cut-outs in the wheels that the chain loop through are at 90
> degrees to
> >> vertical so I should be generating as much force as possible.  Engine
> still
> >> has not moved but I just started.  The engine hoist cylinder is not
> leaking
> >> down like I seem to remember it would, so I will leave it overnight.
> >>
> >> PS: To show you were an optimist I am, I drained the penetrating fluid
> from
> >> the cylinder so it wouldn't spray all over the shop when the engine
> let's
> >> go. :-)
> >>
> >> PSS.  I remember enough of college physics to know that lifting it  more
> >> than just barely off the ground actually decreases force So I'll keep a
> >> close eye on the engine hoist to make sure it's not leaking down.
> >>
> >> Stayed tuned.
> >>
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Francis Robinson
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Central Indiana USA
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