[AT] OT modern computer controlls

[Mike M]

So are the patents, but I can modify them for my own personal use.

Mike M


On 3/22/2017 5:58 PM, Dave wrote:
> Like it, or not, the algorithms are the property (work) of someone other than anyone on this list, and owned by that person (or the company that employ them). As such the owner SHOULD have the right to give/rent/ sell them as they wish!
> 	Dave
>
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:00 PM, rlgoss at twc.com wrote:
>>
>> Uhh, yeah.  The algorithms for the electronic communication (among other things) with those devices are copyrighted and a typical application has to go through that firewall and pay for the privilege.  One of the things of that nature that has been with us for years is full-fledged PDF format.  Everyone has been using it for years as the default format for items on the Internet, and there are lots of programs out there that will give the appearance of following its rules, but an APP that does it all the right way has to go through Adobe, one way or another. That's just one example.  The codes for communicating with the electronics of a motor vehicle are similar, and are patented.  A former colleague holds the patent on the algorithm that allows communication between a number of dissimilar devices that used to need special "black boxes" in order to communicate or had to be hard-wired together. Those are no longer required because of his invention.  Like it or not, we end up!
>    p!
>> aying such royalties.
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry
>> .---- Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> Copyright?? Wow that's a stretch. So if your equipment goes down, you
>>> are at the mercy of the dealership as to when and how it gets fixed? I
>>> see a boom in used machinery.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2017 2:20 PM, Don wrote:
>>>> I read this morning that John Deere is going after some eastern European
>>>> hackers who are distributing hacked software to allow users to fix their
>>>> own tractors.   The article indicated that if someone other than the
>>>> dealer were to replace say a transmission it is necessary to call out a
>>>> John Deere tech for several hundred dollars to spend a couple of minutes
>>>> with a computer to make things work.  Many companies such as John Deere
>>>> and GM are hiding under the DCMA to prevent users from repairing their
>>>> own equipment.
>>>>
>>>> John Deere and many others are fighting "Right to Repair" laws all over
>>>> the country.  These laws would require manufacturers such as John Deere,
>>>> Sony, Apple to provide tools, parts, and documentation to allow people
>>>> to repair their own equipment.boom
>>>>
>>>>
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