[AT] Points

Tue Mar 14 14:02:22 PDT 2017

Silver solder would have been a nice way to assure a good and durable
connection after the riveting job.  I presume the regulator I obtained was
designed and constructed with the idea of cutting any corner possible.

Bill Brueck
B²

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [AT] Points

I thought silver solder was the usual way.
	Dave

> On Mar 14, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Bill Brueck <b2 at chooka.net> wrote:
> 
> I bought an eBay new voltage regulator a couple of years ago, common 
> Delco 6 volt application on a Farmall Cub.  Worked intermittently, 
> took the cover off and was surprised to find it construction with 
> mechanical points, coils, just looked like a regulator from the 
> vintage.  The points were just riveted to the metal that held them in 
> place.  This I know because that was the problem when I traced the 
> failure: one of the contacts wasn't making solid connection to its 
> mount.  A little disassembly to get the point out where I could work on
it, a little peening, and the regulator was good.
> 
> SO contact points with a stub on the base to rivet-attach them to 
> something are available somewhere...
> 
> Hmmm, google rivet electrical contacts...they're all over the place.
> 
> Bill Brueck
> Pine Island, MN  USA
> 
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie 
> hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Points
> 
> I'm wondering just how they attach the material to the points mechanism?
> Seems to me it would be fairly easy to "rebuild"
> a set of points if you had a reliable way to attach them.
> None of the points I've been able to buy in the last 20 years are 
> worth much but there are lots of industrial uses for breaker points so 
> the reliable materials should be available somewhere.
> 
> Charlie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 10:46 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Points
> 
> Hi Ron:
> 
> I should have stated that I was conjecturing about the cadmium
construction.
> Back about 20 years ago I was employed by a manufacturer of circuit 
> breakers and the contact material of choice, by a wide margin, was the 
> silver-cadmium I described.  I had stuck in my memory that this was 
> also used on breaker points.  Not necessarily accurate!!
> 
> I just took a real quick look and it seems platinum was actually 
> alloyed with iridium to make it harder, and that was used in magneto
points.
> However, battery and coil ignitions, according to the big wide 
> Internet, used tungsten to better withstand the hammering they go thru.
> 
> SO
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
> 
>> The old points and aircraft magneto points are platinum.  If not 
>> burnt and thereby pitted, will give no problems.  My opinion, of course.
>> They are very hard and require the points(used to be called 
>> platinum)file to resurface.  My aircraft stored in the exact same 
>> place as the tractors and some old engines that never have a problem 
>> is my experience.  I also have never heard of Ivan's very interesting 
>> emergency system.  I will also state that I have the points corrosion 
>> problem regardless of 6 or
>> 12 volt.
>> 
>> Ron Cook,
>> 
>> Salix, IA
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/9/2017 6:34 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>> Ivan's "emergency" ignition system is pretty interesting; never 
>>> heard of that before.
>>> 
>>> John, I do own a points file but I'd have to go digging to find it.  
>>> I
>> use
>>> a piece of "wet-or-dry" sandpaper (dry of course) with a grit 
>>> somewhere either 400 or 600.  I'm reluctant to take off too much 
>>> material.  Points contacts used to be made of a multi-layer material 
>>> with copper core (heat
>>> transfer) then some silver-cadmium alloy in a measureable thickness, 
>>> not just a plating.  That stuff has some magic metallurgical 
>>> property that resists corrosion, resists micro-welding if there's 
>>> any arcing, and
>> resists
>>> or prolongs that inevitable material transfer (those hills and 
>>> valleys,
>> the
>>> reason you eventually need to file them)
>>> 
>>> Now I just said "used to be made of" because I strongly suspect the
>> cadmium
>>> has been removed and along with it goes some or all of the magical 
>>> properties.  So they're more prone to all the bad stuff mentioned
>> above.  I
>>> think my points must be new enough to be made of the inferior materials.
>>> But they have very low hours and show no signs of wear and pitting.
>>> 
>>> I was curious to see if others have similar trouble, and if there 
>>> are clever solutions.  I realize I really should lean towards that 
>>> Pertronix electronic ignition retrofit.
>>> 
>>> SO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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