[AT] new duties
charlie hill
charliehill at embarqmail.com
Sun Jul 9 12:00:03 PDT 2017
Dean, when I was young (about 14) and quick I bush hogged over a nest of
them
one day. I was wearing shorts and no shirt. I was only cutting tall grass.
It was apparent what was happening when one of them stung me in that spot
in the middle of your back that no human being is capable of touching. You
know the one!
On a Allis Chalmers tractor it's near impossible to shift gears with the PTO
engaged and a load
on it. Somehow, I was able, in one fluid motion, to hit the clutch with my
left foot, grab the gear
lever with my left hand, reach back to the right rear of the tractor behind
the seat with my right
hand, throw the lift lever up and snatch the PTO lever out of gear, pull the
shifter out of 3rd gear,
over and up into 4th gear and pull the throttle lever wide open all in about
3/10ths of a second
resulting in a quick get away with the front wheels of the tractor in the
air like a drag car resulting
from the fact that the bush hog was too big for the tractor to begin with.
I think I only got 3 or 4 stings but the air behind me was a dark cloud when
they gave up the chase!
If not for a couple of speed demons in the nest that tipped me off I would
have been in sad shape.
I'd hate to have to do a repeat performance today!!!!
Charlie.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Vinson
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 6:03 PM
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
A couple of years ago I ran over a yellow jackets' nest while mowing grass
and some small brush in an area of my woods that I'm trying to clean up.
Took about a second after I saw the first one for me to get stung on the
back of my neck, so I just reached down and yanked the throttle all the way
open. Since I was in second gear at the time, that boosted my speed up
from, I don't know, 3 mph to 4 mph, which didn't seem to impress the yellow
jackets very much.
Dean Vinson
Saint Paris, Ohio
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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 11:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
Oh yeah, I know about the hornets too! Funny story, I was mowing a small
corner of a piece of property for a neighbor. It war right beside his side
porch and he was sitting
on the swing watching me work. I got in a place where I was
all tangled up in vines and at the same time got into a nest of some sort of
hornets or bees like I've never seen before or since.
They were kind of lime green colored and they were tearing me up.
I think I got 6 or 8 stings before I got loose and away.
My neighbor saw me fighting the bees. I looked up and made eye contact
with him. He jumped up off the porch and ........ went in his house!
He gave me a $20 tip! LOL
I have a couple of buddies that mow shooting lanes on deer hunting tracts.
Both of them, like me, are too old to be doing that stuff. In the last two
seasons both of them have had very close calls that could have killed them.
One of the guys is in his 80's. He somehow ended up in a canal with the
tractor still in gear and running and he was mostly under water, under one
of the back tires. He was alone and it took him about 10 minutes to figure
out how to wiggle out from under the spinning wheel and out of the canal and
to turn off the tractor. He got away with just some road rash from the
tractor tire rubbing against him. Now that's too close!!!!
Charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Yost
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 7:52 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
I stopped mowing and Bush hogging the 1990s for that very same reason
Charlie. There was no telling what I was going to hit. I used to hog field
edges for farmers but now in this era of clean farming that business was
dwindling and the business that was left was tough on my disposition and
equipment.
The most memorable thing I hit was a hornets nest that managed to somehow
attach and thrive on a small thicket a BlackBerry brambles. I had to wait
till the next day to finish that field :-)
Spencer Yost
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 6:15 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> It nearly did a few times Mike. Most of the time the hole was only a
> foot or so deep and maybe 3' in diameter but even that can toss you
> from the seat if you happen not to be holding on tight.
> The time I hit that big hole, I don't know how I stayed on the tractor
> and really don't quite know how it made it through the hole except
> that I was probably going 4 1/2 mph or so. I don't know, how fast
> will a D-14 Allis with over size rear tires go in 3rd gear high range?
> The weeds were primarily dog fennel and some small one season growth
> bushes. Nothing that the bush hog cared about cutting.
> No matter how it comes out, it's over before you know what is happening.
> I
> was lucky!
>
> One subdivision I mowed for probably 15 years, about 3 times a year, I
> could depend on having a new hole somewhere every year, or a pile of
> bricks or and old bbq grill, piles of oil filters, you name it, I
> have hit it.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike M
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 10:02 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
>
> Yikes, that could have ended badly!
>
> Mike M
>
>> On 7/5/2017 8:10 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Carl, I can tell you something worse than a woodchuck.
>> I used to do a fair amount of commercial bush hogging.
>> Primarily I would mow vacant parts of partially developed
>> subdivisions. When you mow the same field two or three times a year
>> for a few years you get to know the lay of the land and the hazards
>> pretty well and tend to relax, pull the throttle open and roll on.
>> But then there are those jerks that live in the subdivision that
>> decide they need some dirt for
>> their yard. Do you think they skim it off the top? NO! They
>> dig a big, deep, straight walled hole. I've seen them as big as 5'
>> in diameter and 3 feet deep. Of course by the time I "found"
>> them the weeds had grown up high and I "found" them when a front
>> wheel dropped in followed by the rear wheel before I could get on the
>> clutch.
>> It's very dangerous. Luckily I never got hurt but I really don't
>> know why.
>> Luckily I never hit one straight on enough for both front wheels to
>> drop in at the same time. It's one heck of a jolt at 4 to 5 mph!
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Gogol
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 3:32 PM
>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>> Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
>>
>> I Hate woodchuck holes. You don't see them when raking hay. You hit
>> them full on and it wrenches the steering wheel so hard. I hate
>> woodchucks.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Grant
>> Brians
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 2:43 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
>>
>> It is interesting to hear the Narrow Front Tractors referred to as
>> Tricycles, as the tricycles here were actually three wheel tractors.
>> I still have multiple tricycle tractors that we do use and with the
>> true tricycles, I have only once seen one time where the front wheel
>> got caught in a strange hole and then it tried to kick to the side.
>> Even then not a disaster.
>> On the question about the wheelstands, those are something we
>> heard about every so often, always with an improperly attached
>> implement, an incorrectly connected cable or chain or an overloaded
>> loader (overloading is something I have been guilty of - oops) and
>> when those happened, usually someone got badly injured or killed. On
>> the wheelstands, the type of tractor doesn't seem to make a
>> difference although they are a little more possible with higher
>> horsepower to front end weight ration. Mostly since they are almost
>> always operator error, look out for operator error!
>> Grant Brians
>>> On 7/3/2017 8:47 AM, Len Rugen wrote:
>>> I remember the first driving lesson on tricycle tractors, "Thumbs
>>> OUTSIDE
>> the wheel, not thru the spokes". There were lots of broken hands from
>> the
>> Farmalls around here, never heard of any on others, but Case SC's
>> were rare, I remember one, but I never saw it move.
>>>
>>> Len Rugen
>>>
>>> rugenl at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 3, 2017, 10:03:01 AM CDT, Indiana Robinson
>> <robinson46176 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't believe I ever heard of a tricycle SC or DC Case having
>>> trouble with the a front end steering gear... :-) Maybe they were
>>> just going for simple.
>>> Steering wheel kickback was common on a number of manual steering
>>> tractors but the only guy I knew personally (close neighbor) to get
>>> a broken arm from one farmed with a tricycle SC Case. I have no
>>> idea if the steering design had anything to do with it at all, I
>>> never drove one.
>>> On a branch note, my father bought a 1941 Ford/Ferguson 9N new in
>>> early
>>> 1942 and he bought an add-on unit for it that mounted under the
>>> steering wheel that was claimed to stop kickback. I guess it worked,
>>> I drove that tractor a lot from a very young age and it never kicked
>>> back on me. The Ferguson TO-20 did a few times and the Ford Jubilee
>>> kicked back more than anything else we owned I think.
>>> That 9N attachment was smaller than later after-market units that I
>>> recall seeing on other tractors that included a steering wheel. The
>>> 9N unit was kind of triangle shaped and you pulled the wheel, bolted
>>> it to the top of the mount and re-attached the original wheel. It
>>> raised the wheel maybe 1 1/2".
>>> I believe he bought it through the Ford dealer. It may have been
>>> Sherman, I know they made one. I have never seen another like it on
>>> a
>> tractor.
>>> Cecil, I have a pair of Case DC rims I got for the tires on them but
>>> I'm quite sure both rims are total junk. I also have a Case DC rear
>>> wheel cast center. I don't suppose anyone ever breaks one of those
>>> things. I also have a pair of those DC front cast wheels. Son Scott
>>> has been using them for weights for a small harrow. :-)
>>>
>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Herb Metz <metz-h.b at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed John, however the only tractor I ever heard had wheelstands
>>>> problem was the early Fordson. Herb(GA)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Hall
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:27 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] new duties
>>>>
>>>> I think the reason for the wheels being out in front is 2 fold.
>>>> One, the tractor is lower to the ground than a Farmall M or Deere
>>>> A--at least the engine and clutch housing. It would have had to
>>>> have tiny wheels to get them under the machine. Second is weight. I
>>>> can't recall pulling off one of those front tires, but they are
>>>> cast wheels. Stick them way out front and no problem keeping
>>>> wheelstands to a minimum. Just my thoughts, could be all wrong.
>>>>
>>>> John Hall
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