[AT] McCormick Deering Tractor

[John Hall]

  Ron, sounds like a cobbled up mess to me. F4 magnetos were "the norm" 
early 30's until the letter series came out in 39. It is possible for an 
F4 to have been put on an older machine that used an E4A or a Splitdorf 
Dixie. Wide front--could have been a W series or a wide front F-series. 
May have even been an industrial version---I12 or 14 or 30, possibly 
even an Industrial 20 (I-20). Wonder if the guy knows what he is looking 
at when he says gasoline only, all the older IH tractors I can think of 
were kerosene or gas. Ask if it has priming cups on top of the valve 
cover--not to be confused with flip top oil cups. The older 10-20 and 
15-30's had the exhaust through the left side hood louver. Sounds like 
the one he has was vertical. I can't recall anything of that vintage 
having the air cleaner under the hood, wasn't room--possibly an 
Industrial orchard model? The F series positioned the driver out in 
space behind the rear end, not over it. They also used flat springs--I 
can't recall a coil seat spring until the letter series. The use of a 
fuel pump, makes me think F-12 engine so possibly its W or I 12 or 14. 
Not aware of any gearshifts using an extension. 2 brake pedals was not 
common until just before the letter series came out--the last F20's had 
them.

Sounds to me it could be an Industrial tractor. IH supplied ready to use 
Industrials as well as variations supplied to equipment manufacturers 
where they would complete it--cranes, snow plows, crude loaders--these 
were some of the finished products, but IH only supplied the running 
works--kind of like buying a cab and chassis truck, or sometimes just a 
chassis with power train. The use of wood on any thing IH, after the era 
of a Titan 10-20 is something I have never seen (those had wooden 
operator platforms and wooden clutch shoes in the belt pulley). Get him 
to send a picture.

John Hall


On 1/17/2017 12:37 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.
> I got this from a friend of mine, I am sure several people on this list
> can identify this tractor from the information he has given.  Thanks
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> https://plus.google.com/104862591013550196821/posts
>
> Ron -  I wanted to contact you first before a general WAPA post on
> identifying the model of a McCormick Deering tractor.  I have a friend
> that lives in Banning and is a volunteer at the Gilman Ranch Museum and
> they have a tractor they want to identify.  I am trying to get some
> photos of it.  I looked at it today and it is on rubber, wide front.  All
> mechanical and no hydraulics.  It is 4 cylinder magneto ignition,
> gasoline only engine.  I think there is an advance/retard lever through
> to the operator.  The exhaust is on the left up through the hood.  Air
> intake is on the right under the hood and is oil bath.  I did not see a
> pulley for a belt.  There is a large coil spring supporting the seat
> hanging out in space over the rear end.  The gear shift has a long
> extension to be able to be reached by the driver.  On the left is a
> clutch pedal and the right has two brake pedals.  The pedals are a
> vertical push on levers sticking out of the rear deck.  The speed control
> is mounted to a wood box on the inside of the left fender ( which has
> broken off of the mounts).  The floor is wood.  There is something
> missing on the left had side which may be a clutch lock in.  There is a
> link missing. There is an oil pressure gauge on the lower right of the
> dash.  No other gauges.  They aren't ready to try and get it running, but
> just doing research on what it is.  Fuel is gravity feed to a fuel pump
> on the left side of the engine and the output feeds a tee that goes to
> the carburetor and return to the tank.  The name is cast into the
> radiator front top.  The tractor is only 9 feet long from the rear of the
> rear tires to the front of the front tires.
>
> The engine casting number is 4818D IHC and serial number 061807 (I think,
> hard to read all digits).  That is stamped on the block on the left side
> above the fuel pump on a flat boss.  The magneto is an IHC F4-111647
> mounted on the right side.  It is a small engine.  Paint color is faded
> orange.  Or may be really faded red.
>
> Once I get some photos, then it will be easier to identify, of course.
> Looking at some photos on the internet, it looks like a 10-20 or similar.
>
> Thanks for any help from this limited description.
>
> Ken Evans
>
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