[AT] Ram 3.0 liter Dieselgate

[Mike M]

Wait until the govt makes Dodge re-flash your software and your mileage 
goes from 25-27 down to 20.  But hey your putting out .5 grams less 
particulate!  I was watching a documentary about China and how they are 
putting up one new coal power plant a _week!_ Wonder how many pollution 
controls and scrubbers they have on those plants?  We can't do the heavy 
lifting for the whole world, our cars and trucks could run on Raspberry 
fragrance and farts and you can't make up for that.

Mike M


On 1/12/2017 10:52 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
> I get frustrated with a government plan to try and reduce emissions here enough to. Bring down worldwide pollution levels, while some neighboring countries are not required to clean up engines and other pollutant sources that much.
> There is no question that we should not go back to the 60's with no regulations. The real question is how much emissions level is clean enough.
> Diesels have been targeted because "bad truckers" drive them, and most voters do not drive them. Much like other issues, force someone else to do more or have more pain so I the "average voter" has less pain and cost.
> Somehow the fact that a diesel can use 30% to 50% less hydrocarbons than gas vehicles does not matter to many pushing these regulations.
> I have attended official CARB meetings in the past. People there did not care if there was science available to do something, and believe if they just mandated something miracles would happen. There have been times when forced regulation has caused scientific advances. I thing we have reached the limit for the time being where cleaner regulations are not getting breakthroughs each time.
> The company I used to work for got a fine because we could not prove that we met some emission regulation that was not yet written. This goes to show how absurd things can and sometimes do get.
> We need some reasonable emission levels, and some other way to motivate changes. Have some reasonable differential tax policy to promote better emission levels. Over time things will improve without stupid arbitrary limits.
> The VM 3.0 issue seems to be how many events can allow emission level to exceed mores. It is agreed there are some that can, but the government thinks there are too many of these exceptions. I am reasonably sure the government did not specify which ones were acceptable, or how many were acceptable. A bit like a fine for not meeting regulations not yet written.
>
> I like my VM 3.0 in my Ram 1500. Earlier this week was getting up to 27 mpg on a trip to Kansas. Last few days 25 mpg with short trips from cabin to town.
>
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/business/epa-emissions-cheating-diesel-fiat-chrysler-jeep-dodge.html?emc=edit_na_20170112&nlid=31285255&ref=cta
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