[AT] O. T. - Really tired today

Thu Feb 23 09:46:55 PST 2017

100% agree Steve O.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Stephen Offiler
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:42 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] O. T. - Really tired today

Cholesterol isn't bad, and statins aren't good.

Cholesterol is a building block for cell walls, and it is a precursor to
important hormones and vitamin D.  We have all these transport mechanisms
(HDL's and LDL's etc) because it is critically needed all around the body.

In cardiovascular disease, cholesterol is thought to be that junk
accumulating in the arterial walls, so getting rid of it must be a good
thing.  Reality is far more complicated (it always is).  Briefly, modern
diets high in refined carbohydrates tend to inhibit the body's natural
recycling of HDL and LDL particles.  When LDL persists in the bloodstream
too long it becomes oxidized and breaks apart into smaller pieces which can
lodge in the artery walls, creating inflammation.  The body's natural
repair mechanisms report for duty, and over long periods of repetition, you
get accumulations of the byproducts of that repair process.

LDL is called "bad cholesterol" (although it's not cholesterol, it's a
carrier for cholesterol in the bloodstream).  LDL is not bad at all,
unless, as above, it breaks down and oxidizes.  Another problem is that
normal blood tests can't differentiate normal, healthy LDL from the broken
down stuff.  A high LDL reading MIGHT mean you have the broken down stuff
and the doctor quits right there and grabs for the statins.  More
sophisticated tests are just now becoming available to tell the difference
between normal and broken LDL but insurance companies won't pay.  Google
"NMR LipoProfile".

Doctors follow "standard of care" because (a) that's what they get paid to
do and (b) it avoids malpractice suits.  Standard of care is defined in a
complex variety of ways involving lots of money; from insurance companies
to pharmaceutical companies to health organizations (American Heart
Association for example) which are generally funded heavily by the big
processed-food industry.

The short answer is to eat a diet rich in vegetables and meat and cheese
and eggs and fruit, low to zero in bread and pasta and cereals and
desserts.  Don't injure the arteries in the first place.   Statins
certainly don't "fix" anything; they are a band-aid solution that creates,
as everyone is discussing here, many side effects.

SO

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Ken Knierim <ken.knierim at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a doctor like that. I fought him on the statins though I started on 
> a
> natural variant for awhile (cholestoff I think). I increased my activity
> level and dropped some weight. He was surprised I dropped my numbers so 
> far
> (truth be told, he said I couldn't do it so I had to prove him wrong).
>
> Then my son came along. And he likes to run. with me. a lot. I used to 
> joke
> that I'm his ADHD medication and he's my cholesterol medication. Now it's
> not a joke. He made nationals last year in junior olympics as part of a
> 4X400 meter relay (8 and under group). My new doctor said my cholesterol
> numbers were borderline but whatever I was doing had me healthy and he
> didn't see any need for medication. Then I got more serious about running.
>
> I ran another 8 miles this morning (my fitbit shows about 65-70 miles a
> week). And I'm learning all about sore feet (plantar fasciitis among other
> things). But with the history of heart issues in my family, sore feet can
> be dealt with. Running shoes are a cheap investment compared to the
> alternatives. :)
>
> Ken in AZ
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Bruce <tractor57 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Some Dr's think the lower the cholesterol the better - regardless of the
> > level and that ALL adults should be taking a statin. My Dr is not quite
> > so strident but he is being pushed to write more scripts for statins. My
> > levels are well below the maximum values (actually close to the minimums
> > so when I bucked the idea he backed off.
> >
> > David
> >
> > NW NC
> >
> >
> > On 2/21/2017 5:23 PM, rlgoss at twc.com wrote:
> > > Even though Atlrvastatin (or whatever) is for high cholesterol, they
> > prescribe it as a preventative measure against stroke even though your
> > cholesterol level is low. At least, that's what my GP told me.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > ---- Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
> > >> I don't take any of those drugs, but my wife does after her heart
> > >> operation.  The Metoporol seems to accentuate any type of reaction to
> > >> allergens etc.  She is always tired, and achy, and that may be from
> the
> > >> Atorvastatin that her D@#$&D yuppie cardiologist thinks she should
> take
> > >> because her cholesterol is up....   I really cannot take the guy
> > >> seriously when he comes to appointments with slip on tennis shoes and
> no
> > >> socks....  I know, I know, I am a dinosaur.    I had a 50yr old look
> at
> > >> me funny the other day when I said my relatives did not have a "pot
> nor
> > >> a window"!!!
> > >>
> > >> Cecil in OKla
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2/21/2017 11:52 AM, Dave wrote:
> > >>> Hi farmer,
> > >>>     I thought a bit about your being worn out after you completed 
> > >>> the
> > task. From what you say, I presume it was a long walk. Long walks wear 
> > me
> > out as well. You should have taken two horses at a time. That would have
> > cut your walking time in half!
> > >>>     Dave
> > >>> PS, No need to thank me. Just remember the tip when you have to move
> > them back!
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Indiana Robinson <
> > robinson46176 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Had to move our 6 horses to the south side of the farm this morning
> > and it
> > >>>> about wore me out. Picture below.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There was some discussion about lack of starting ambition from old
> men
> > >>>> here. I have some ambition much of the time. My problem is that I
> just
> > >>>> can't seem to accomplish much while I am working harder than 
> > >>>> before.
> > But
> > >>>> then again I can't last as long at working as before.
> > >>>> The best thing I ever did was to refuse to keep taking 
> > >>>> Atorvastatin,
> > even
> > >>>> if it kills me. Zombie stuff. I knew that Metoprolol had fatigue as
> a
> > side
> > >>>> effect but recently I noticed that some sources list "loss of
> > interest in
> > >>>> things in general" as one of its possible side effects. I take it
> and
> > I
> > >>>> know a number of folks that do. I wonder how many of us on this 
> > >>>> list
> > take
> > >>>> it?
> > >>>> I generally find these day that the less stuff I take the better I
> > feel. I
> > >>>> still take a few things but almost all supplements etc. like fish
> > oil, a
> > >>>> couple of vitamins, CO-q10 and low dose aspirin.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm still planning to make Portland. I'll just bring something that
> > doesn't
> > >>>> need any work on it. Wait a minute... I don't own anything like
> > that...
> > >>>> I'll find something.  :-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> .
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Francis Robinson
> > >>>> aka "farmer"
> > >>>> Central Indiana USA
> > >>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com
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