[AT] is it about farming and tractors and all the good FARM stuff.

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Fri Feb 10 20:26:25 PST 2017


My first real tractor was a 46 Allis Chalmers WD we traded a 9N Ford 
for.    It was  a tricycle wheeled, and nearly killed me with the way 
the seat was hinged.  A lot of us old timers who rode Allis tractors 
with that front hinged seat have back problems.

Cecil in OKla


On 2/10/2017 9:10 PM, Mike 1countryguy wrote:
> Yes, it will require a teardown.   I consulted with my retired mechanic friend.  He bleeds (ac orange)  but will work on my mm s and white equipment.
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> Mike:
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> When I tried to change from 1000 to 540, I moved the shifter first and
> then tried to take the shaft out instead of the shaft and then the
> shifter.  I think somehow the ball retainer in there someplace has
> dented a ring.  I looked it up in the parts book last year after it
> happened, and I talked to an old White dealer and he had no clue.  I
> have replaced the clutch pack and a lot of the hard parts in the clutch
> due to it being past worn out when I repaired it.   When going back in
> the seal lip on the pto drive was caught, and it drips some.  It just
> keeps the bearing on the pto shaft well lubed...    I don't remember
> everything about how the shifter was screwed up, but I do know it was
> 100 degrees and I had some inexperienced help and a hammer was
> available!!!!  It will require a teardown.  I used a pipe over the fork
> on the bale spike and a chain over the pipe holding the gearbox, while
> holding a pipe on the pto shaft to guide it.  A little grease on the
> pipe under the chain works very well.   I did it by myself.
>
> Cecil in OKla
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> On 2/10/2017 9:18 AM, Mike 1countryguy wrote:
>> Cecil.  Try this first.   Stop the tractor and loosen the shifter on bottom right of the pto housing.  Is it in or out?  The case will have 540 and 1000 position stamped on it.  Be careful with the shifter.  When in it will rest in a grove.  Then back of a hair and tighten the set nut.
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>> Ok.   With the shifter in either position try light taps with a hammer.   Do not hit the splines.  Next take the 4 bolts out of the pto (all sides of the pto shaft).  I bet it is stuck.  Its worth a little time to work on it.  I have had some really stuborn ones (bearing rusted).   Once you free it shaft will turn and u can shift either way.
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>> If u need to remove the pto unit replace the clutch.   We made some simple compression tools and can have the unit out and back in (2 hrs).
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>> If u do remove the pto......its heavy.   Use a shop floor crane with wheels.   Two guys work best.  When re installed have pipe over the pto output shaft to steer back into place.   I know the 105, 135, 2-150 and 4-150 all have that housing.  The 155 and 2-180 are straight 1000.
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>> The g1000 vista and 1355  will be another post.
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>> Can not resist this.   Neighor and dad traded his chisel power for our offset disc for a week.  Neighbor told me I had to have duels and lots of front end weight on my mm G1000 Vista.   He was so sure I would not be able to pull it that he followed me to the field to TELL ME SO!!!!
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>> I dropped the chisel and pulled thru very wet field (july) and never spun a tire.   Neighbor left with out a word.   (Hint, his was green [😊] 4020)  same hp.
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>> I have a 2-105 White that my Dad bought for me nearly 20 years ago..  If
>> you scrape a little of the black paint off the cast iron belly, you find
>> the Oliver green.   It is basically an 1850 Oliver with a row crop
>> adjustable front end and a lighter plastic radiator grill instead of the
>> old Oliver cast iron grill.  My biggest objection to the white is the
>> closed center hydraulic system with a noisy Vickers hydraulic pump.
>> The tractor has a 3 point hitch but it was taken off when the lift
>> cylinders developed leaks and it due to the closed center system it
>> leaked over 3 gallons of oil a day.  The external has triple remotes,
>> but you have to kill the engine, get a 5/8 inch steel punch and hammer
>> and drive the sealing ball in the quick coupler to release the built up
>> pressure in the hoses.  The rear of the tractor is so cluttered there is
>> no room for the remotes and the 3 point hitch.    I hope to get it back
>> running again as it is one of my cab tractors.  At this time the PTO is
>> stuck into 1000 RPM and the PTO gearbox has to be removed off the rear
>> end to get inside and remove the 1000Rpm shaft.  This happened when I
>> did not do the correct sequence to switch from 1000 to 540PTO shafts.
>> The old 7030 Allis on the other hand, has an open center hydraulic
>> system that is much simpler and higher flow capacity, and the PTO is
>> changed from 540 to 1000 just by unbolting the PTO shaft from the
>> tractor and turning it around and bolting it back up.   Both tractors
>> were built in the same years.    Those White tractors were really
>> beautiful when they came out!!  I remember one at a farm I passed on the
>> way to and from OK State Univ.  back in the early 70's.   That silver
>> and black was really a pretty tractor!!.  25 years later, I got one of
>> them.   The 2-105 White was very much like the 4020 John Deere, there
>> are still a lot of them around Northern OK.  The transmission shifter
>> was very stiff and awkward so that it was not a real good tractor for a
>> loader. The weakest point was the 3 speed auxiliary transmission between
>> the engine and transmission.  A lot of them have had the 3 speed
>> replaced with a shaft.  One of the good points to the White and the
>> oliver tractors with the big cast Iron belly pan was that you could pull
>> the engine and replace the clutch without splitting the tractor.  We had
>> an 1850 Oliver, and a G1000 Moline before the 2-105 White.   We
>> completely overhauled the Moline Propane engine and then spent nearly
>> the same amount on the 2 speed auxiliary that we spent on a complete
>> engine overhaul...  The Moline had a rough life before we got it..  The
>> heat shield between the engine and the propane tank was missing.  If you
>> were discing or plowing on a hot day, the propane tank would build
>> pressure and the popoff valve would blast out on the left side of the
>> tank.  Dad was driving it the first time it happened and he nearly
>> jumped out of the cab!!   It would really make you want to leave the
>> seat!  I was buying oilfield pipe and equipment from a stripper lease
>> around here, and I would use that tractor and a special trailer I built
>> to go get stuff.  The tractor would run nearly 30mph on the road, and
>> had a 3 point lift that would raise a house..   I modified an old
>> forklift mast to mount on the 3 point of the tractor.   We finally sold
>> the tractor to a fellow who loved Molines and had to deliver it about 60
>> miles away.  The worst thing about the moline was that there was always
>> a bolt holding any piece that you needed to remove that was accessible
>> only by removing another piece.  There mountings were bolted from both
>> sides.  Once they were bolted together, they did not come loose. The
>> engine was especially built this way.  It took hours to tear down and
>> rebuild that engine..
>>
>> I made this too long, but at least it is about tractors....
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
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>> On 2/9/2017 9:07 PM, John Hall wrote:
>>> I did have a cousin that bought a White back in the late 70's/early
>>> 80's. His "reputation" pretty much knocked him out of getting a new
>>> tractor from the IH and Deere dealers, that's about all we had here
>>> other than a Massey dealer in Siler City.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2017 9:08 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>> Yea, White never inroads around here it would seem.  I always thought that was a bit odd considering Oliver had a presence.  The few Whites I  know of were bought used out of the area and brought in.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:02 PM, John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How about a few pics of those tractors? You see a few White tractors
>>>>> down Charlie Hills way, but none up here, probably the same for Spencers
>>>>> area too.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Hall
>>>>>
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