[AT] Farm flooding update California - new info
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Tue Feb 7 20:47:05 PST 2017
Steve:
I agree about the laws. What has it to do with tractors? Well, our
old tractors are now at the mercy of ethanol gasoline, a government
mandate. No matter what it says at the pump there is ethanol in that
gas. It destroys carburetors unless you have some fuel conditioner
additive. An added cost...
How long will it be till we have to file a "trip plan"to take our old
tractors to a show? With the advent of self driving trucks and cars,
our old trucks and trailers will not meet the new mandates to be self
driving and alert us to the idiot up ahead that is weaving while he
talks on his cell phone. We have to have DEF in the new diesels, how
long until the Gov't outlaws our old diesels? How long is it until
there is too much pollution from our old tractors becsuse they run on
gas and not electricity?
You might not think it is relevant, but I am sure you would like to get
your clothes clean after working on your old tractor. If you have
bought a new washing machine in the last 5 years, and it was not the
most expensive model, your water level in the tub is limited to 5
inches!!!! That is due to a Department of Energy requirement. Again
Big government wants to make sure you do not use more than your
"fair"share of electricity or gas to heat the water. You have to run
the load 3 times to get it clean.. Thanks to the internet, information
is available to override this, but it voids your warranty...
Also, if you want to get in the shower and use that massaging hand held
shower head to put some hot water on your aching back or knees, too
bad. Again the Department of Energy has limited the maximum output to
2.5 gallons per minute. The manuf. has reduced it to 2.0 GPM because
they are afraid of the accuracy of the measurements. Thanks to the
internet, there is a list of shower heads that can be modified to really
'"blast the old barnacles off" and provide some massaging relief
instead of feeling like you are standing under an old cow in the chute...
Since i reside here at the new magnetic center of the known universe,
how long until my local DEQ tells me that the iron resting here on the
hillside is creating too much iron in the watershed and I am required to
scrap it?? I had to give up my $110/yr salvage yard license due to
the DEQ permit being $500 per year for the pollution permit.
My point is that the government has become so involved in every moment
of our lives and since we have been trying to just get food on the table
and make our payments and have a little enjoyment, the government has
encroached into everything we do while we were not able to pay
attention.....
It is only a matter of time until we need a permit to own a tractor...
Cecil in OKla
On 2/7/2017 7:41 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> New laws happen when idiots do stupid things. There's a LOT of idiots out
> there. Eventually it leads to BIG government. Now what does this have to
> do with tractors?
>
> SO
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Dave <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cecil,
>> You must remember that BIG government is your friend. The judgment
>> of those in charge of BIG government is MUCH better than yours, or all of
>> us together for that matter. You must never question the judgement of BIG
>> government because it is YOUR FRIEND and will ALWAYS protect you—even from
>> yourself!
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Cecil, after that particular hurricane there were stacks beside the road
>>> in front of every flooded house. I mean dump truck size stacks with
>> items
>>> FEMA had demanded be thrown away. I have a friend who installs and
>> repairs
>>> TV's and Satellite systems. He was down there on a service call and saw
>> a
>>> nearly new JD riding lawn tractor in one of the piles. He asked the
>> owner
>>> and was told FEMA made him throw it out. He told the guy how crazy that
>> was
>>> and said he would have kept it somehow. The guy said, "I'm just doing
>> what
>>> they told me I had to do. Put it in the pile and wait for the clean up
>> crew
>>> to haul it off.
>>> If you want it take it, I didn't see anything." My friend loaded it up,
>>> brought it home
>>> and in a few hours had it running good as new. That's just one small
>>> example.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil Bearden
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 7:53 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Farm flooding update California - new info
>>>
>>> Charlie:
>>>
>>> I have been the chairman of a local floodplain board in OK since 82 or
>>> 83. I once was cited as being the longest serving floodplain board
>>> chairman and member in the US.... Don't know if that is official or
>>> not.... However, a few years back maybe 20 now, FEMA got all high and
>>> mighty and decided that everybody had to come up to their standards. I
>>> have not heard of throwing everything away here after a flood, but when
>>> the Feds get involved, they think that everyone has insurance and it
>>> covers 100%. After the 1995 bombing of the OKC Federal building, a
>>> restoration company was brought in to do what the employees should have
>>> been doing. These guys used rented trucks and homeless mission part
>>> time workers. ( same as all disasters) They were advised by the OK
>>> risk management director to trash all chairs and wall sections ( I call
>>> them Lego style ) that had any fabric, due to the risk of glass being
>>> embedded in the fabric. The furniture went into a semi van. I
>>> followed it to a local used office furniture dealer. They ran a shop
>>> vac over everything and sold it. The dealer paid cash to the
>>> driver............
>>>
>>> During these disasters, there always some shady deals, and the Feds are
>>> in the middle......... The guy who was at the center of this was later
>>> a City manager where over $200K disappeared. They never proved
>>> anything, but he just kept showing up in government offices..... The
>>> old saying "follow the money" applies in all disasters...
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2017 1:31 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Good luck with that. I hope you are correct. From a government
>>>> perspective, NC is trying hard to be California east with regulations.
>>>> I can tell you for sure, if that happened here the state, county and
>>>> probably federal government would be in here telling us what we
>>>> can and cannot fix. Here is an example. This area of NC is prone to
>>>> hurricane tidal flooding. That is different from the river flooding
>>>> we talked about earlier. Both are caused by hurricanes but the tidal
>>>> flooding
>>>> is quick and short. Down nearer the coast than I am there are many
>> houses
>>>> owned by very poor people that have been flooded dozens of times over
>> the
>>>> years. In the past the folks got some clorox and poured it around in the
>>>> house,
>>>> ripped up any carpets, ripped out wet sheetrock, pulled up a few floor
>>>> boards
>>>> to let everything drain and waited for it to dry. Then they made
>> repairs
>>>> as
>>>> they
>>>> could afford and went on with life. Then about 20 years ago we had a
>>>> hurricane
>>>> that flooded a lot of those houses. FEMA showed up with the county
>>>> building
>>>> inspectors
>>>> in tow. The proceeded to condemn houses and require that they be
>> brought
>>>> up
>>>> to code
>>>> before they could be reoccupied. The owners complained that they
>> couldn't
>>>> afford that.
>>>> The government said they could borrow the money from the Small Business
>>>> Adm.
>>>> The people
>>>> said we can't make the payments. The government said too bad. Now
>> those
>>>> houses sit
>>>> abandoned and the folks, mostly older and poor, have moved on or moved
>> in
>>>> with family.
>>>> Don't get the idea that private property rights mean anything.
>>>>
>>>> Look to make my point because I know you are reading this as bad as it
>>>> was.
>>>> They made people
>>>> throw away bicycles, children's plastic swings, slides and big wheel
>>>> tricycles, riding lawn mowers,
>>>> etc. because they had been touched by flood water and might be
>>>> contaminated! If water lines
>>>> or wiring in or under the floor of a house were touched by the flood
>> water
>>>> it had to be ripped out.
>>>> If the flooding went above the receptacle boxes in the walls ALL of the
>>>> wiring had to be ripped out back
>>>> to the panel box.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Grant Brians
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:32 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Farm flooding update California - new info
>>>>
>>>> California is an interesting mix of getting things done efficiently and
>>>> not at all. Most of the rest of the country thinks we must be lazy with
>>>> beaches, skiing and Hollywood, but the reality is that California has
>>>> the highest average work week in the country, the highest productivity
>>>> and the largest economy. At the same time we do have lazy people like
>>>> every place and much of the state is too expensive because too many
>>>> people want to live in those areas.
>>>> In this case, I think I can prove that lack of maintenance of the
>>>> creek bed and levees caused the damage and so not even enter the zone of
>>>> wetland or not. This land does seasonally flood but except in this
>>>> damage situation, it has never been covered for more than three days at
>>>> a time and the water flows off, no ponds. It is literally a flood PLAIN.
>>>> So the issue will be fixing the situation not proving it is ok to do so.
>>>> Grant Brians
>>>> On 2/5/2017 11:54 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>> Grant, if a flood washed out an area such as you described in my area
>> of
>>>>> the world I really doubt that you or the land owner would be allowed to
>>>>> fix it. They would call it an act of God and proclaim it a wetland.
>> The
>>>>> state
>>>>> would claim ownership or at least control of it and that would be the
>> end
>>>>> of
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Grant Brians
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:08 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Farm flooding update California - new info
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave, government is only peripherally involved in the cause of the
>>>>> damage. Because stream clearance has been prohibited without a lengthy
>>>>> and expensive process of approval and the flood control district never
>>>>> had taxing authority and no one wanted to run for a position it went
>>>>> defunct. It exists on paper but not in fact. As a result I was working
>>>>> with the county's flood agency before these floods to help get the
>>>>> needed functions operational under their legal purview, but nothing
>>>>> concrete had been done yet in the last 9 months I was pushing....
>>>>> No, this is not on land I own either, I just lease it. This
>> makes
>>>>> things more complicated yet. In short, I will be continuing to see if
>> it
>>>>> is possible to recover from the damage there or not. So in regards to
>>>>> act of God or not it depends on who wants it to be or not be one. If it
>>>>> were not so serious for me I would be laughing because it is truly
>> funny
>>>>> how things can get messed up when the community does not come together
>>>>> to resolve issues.
>>>>> Grant Brians
>>>>> On 2/4/2017 2:51 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>>>> I can understand what you describe, Mike and agree that IF the
>>>>>> government
>>>>>> was responsible for Grant’s situation then they should be held
>>>>>> accountable. But in Grant’s case it sounded like an act of God and I
>> was
>>>>>> wondering if I had missed something. Thanks!
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
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