[AT] Farm flooding update California - new info

[charlie hill]

Good luck with that.  I hope you are correct.  From a government
perspective, NC is trying hard to be California east with regulations.
I can tell you for sure, if that happened here the state, county and
probably federal government would be in here telling us what we
can and cannot fix. Here is an example.  This area of NC is prone to
hurricane tidal flooding. That is different from the river flooding
we talked about earlier. Both are caused by hurricanes but the tidal 
flooding
is quick and short.  Down nearer the coast than I am there are many houses
owned by very poor people that have been flooded dozens of times over the
years. In the past the folks got some clorox and poured it around in the 
house,
ripped up any carpets, ripped out wet sheetrock, pulled up a few floor 
boards
to let everything drain and waited for it to dry.  Then they made repairs as 
they
could afford and went on with life.  Then about 20 years ago we had a 
hurricane
that flooded a lot of those houses.  FEMA showed up with the county building 
inspectors
in tow.  The proceeded to condemn houses and require that they be brought up 
to code
before they could be reoccupied.  The owners complained that they couldn't 
afford that.
The government said they could borrow the money from the Small Business Adm. 
The people
said we can't make the payments.  The government said too bad.  Now those 
houses sit
abandoned and the folks, mostly older and poor, have moved on or moved in 
with family.
Don't get the idea that private property rights mean anything.

Look to make my point because I know you are reading this as bad as it was. 
They made people
throw away bicycles, children's plastic swings, slides and big wheel 
tricycles, riding lawn mowers,
etc.  because they had been touched by flood water and might be 
contaminated!  If water lines
or wiring in or under the floor of a house were touched by the flood water 
it had to be ripped out.
If the flooding went above the receptacle boxes in the walls ALL of the 
wiring had to be ripped out back
to the panel box.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Grant Brians
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:32 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Farm flooding update California - new info

California is an interesting mix of getting things done efficiently and
not at all. Most of the rest of the country thinks we must be lazy with
beaches, skiing and Hollywood, but the reality is that California has
the highest average work week in the country, the highest productivity
and the largest economy. At the same time we do have lazy people like
every place and much of the state is too expensive because too many
people want to live in those areas.
      In this case, I think I can prove that lack of maintenance of the
creek bed and levees caused the damage and so not even enter the zone of
wetland or not. This land does seasonally flood but except in this
damage situation, it has never been covered for more than three days at
a time and the water flows off, no ponds. It is literally a flood PLAIN.
So the issue will be fixing the situation not proving it is ok to do so.
                 Grant Brians
On 2/5/2017 11:54 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Grant, if a flood washed out an area such as you described in my area of
> the world I really doubt that you or the land owner would be allowed to
> fix it.  They would call it an act of God and proclaim it a wetland.  The
> state
> would claim ownership or at least control of it and that would be the end 
> of
> it.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant Brians
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:08 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Farm flooding update California - new info
>
> Dave, government is only peripherally involved in the cause of the
> damage. Because stream clearance has been prohibited without a lengthy
> and expensive process of approval and the flood control district never
> had taxing authority and no one wanted to run for a position it went
> defunct. It exists on paper but not in fact. As a result I was working
> with the county's flood agency before these floods to help get the
> needed functions operational under their legal purview, but nothing
> concrete had been done yet in the last 9 months I was pushing....
>        No, this is not on land I own either, I just lease it. This makes
> things more complicated yet. In short, I will be continuing to see if it
> is possible to recover from the damage there or not. So in regards to
> act of God or not it depends on who wants it to be or not be one. If it
> were not so serious for me I would be laughing because it is truly funny
> how things can get messed up when the community does not come together
> to resolve issues.
>                 Grant Brians
> On 2/4/2017 2:51 PM, Dave wrote:
>> I can understand what you describe, Mike and agree that IF the government
>> was responsible for Grant’s situation then they should be held
>> accountable. But in Grant’s case it sounded like an act of God and I was
>> wondering if I had missed something. Thanks!
>> Dave
>>
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