[AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
Dennis Johnson
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Fri Sep 30 07:22:27 PDT 2016
Scott,
I would check transport of the long 53 foot containers. I found on in the Tulsa area and called around for someone to move it about 15 miles for me. No one I called could handle the 53 foot container that was on the ground. I had to let it go because I could not get it moved.
The 53 foot containers are made for the US transport regulations. Most are transported on container rail trailers or trains. These require a crane or large forklift to pick up the container for loading and unloading.
I have also been checking out container trailers. Not sure I have funds to get one now, but sometime would like to find one that I could haul containers or tractors. There are several 40 foot gooseneck trailers, but trying load a longer container on them would not work well. Trying to find longer trailers has not been successful. My idea is that a 48 to 53 foot mini float type trailer with a 5th wheel hitch would work with my dually if I removed the bed and added a mini 5th wheel. Like I said, I have been looking on and off for a few months and not seen any for sale yet. I know I could go to some trailer manufactures and get a custom one built, but that would be high dollar.
Dennis
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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:04 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh ok that makes sense. Yes you want to look at hi cube containers.
> The standard containers are 7'6 inside width. There are also 45', 48' and
> 54' containers out there. Shop around, you've got some time yet. Actually
> you might be able to buy a container and a container trailer and re-sell the
> trailer when you get to your destination. Then all you would need was
> someone with a bob tailed road tractor. You might even be able to trade the
> trailer to the truck owner for the freight if the numbers work out.
>
> DO NOT use a U-Haul truck. Use Penske or anything but U-Haul. U-Haul
> tends to
> buy cheap trucks and run them in the ground. Penske buys nice stuff, runs
> it for a couple of
> years to get the depreciation and then re-sells them.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Williams
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 3:42 AM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>
> Charlie, that is the price to move them to me, not to move my things to AZ.
> Then I have to find someone to bring them across country. So too costly. I
> may not need two, though. If I can fit all our stuff in a single 40 foot
> "high cube" container (1 foot taller) that would be a big savings, and is
> what my wife wants, anyway. There's a good chance one would hold more than
> 2 26-foot box trucks - I think the containers are wider than the box trucks.
>
> A 26' Penske truck rental is $2078, and they rent diesel trucks, so the fuel
> cost is estimated at $670. Penske say 8 mpg for the diesel trucks, while
> U-Haul claims 10 mpg for their gasoline trucks. I'd say Penske is trying to
> be honest (with a disclaimer that conditions vary.)
>
> Scott in Penfield NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:18 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>
> Scott I didn't see this message before my recent reply.
> I doubt there is a worldwide shortage of containers.
> Worldwide, dry goods shipping has been dropping like a rock for several
> years to the point that one of the worlds largest shippers just filled
> bankruptcy and another one is spinning off it's container business from it's
> other enterprises.
>
> The problem with containers is they just aren't always where you need them
> to be.
> With that said, $7400.00 isn't a bad deal because you are getting 4 to 5
> grand worth of containers in the deal. So you are getting your stuff moved
> for about a buck a mile.
> You can always sell the containers. I'm assuming that price means you get
> to keep the containers?
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Williams
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:20 PM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>
> I just got a price quote from this company, two "wind and water tight", 40'
> containers, roll-off unloaded at my site, $7,353.46. Ouch. Another site
> said there's a worldwide shortage of shipping containers for sale, and do I
> want to consider a long-term lease. Darned "tiny house" fad!
>
> Scott in Penfield NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:47 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>
> Most of those Ryder trucks are governed at 55mph. The ones I drove were. I
> would definitely get a diesel if renting one. You will need it
> for pulling a trailer on the long grades between NY and AZ. I have
> towed and driven over 49 of the 50 states. One time even flying out to
> the East coast and driving a 25yr old fire truck back to OKlahoma. If
> you are mechanically inclined and can properly prepare for this trip with
> tools and ability and funds to tackle nearly any above average complication
> on the way, then go for it. I could probably list the most needed tools you
> could need on the way. You can get the mechanical knowledge and ability,
> but one of the most important items is an understanding spouse who won't
> blow up or melt down ( whichever is
> appropriate ) when a problem arises. It is difficult to focus on the
> problem at hand when your butt is being removed one bite at a time while
> being chastised about trying to travel across the country in rented trucks.
>
> Something you might look into is buying a couple of shipping containers,
> packing them and having them hauled to the destination. There are a lot of
> trailers on the road that can load these at your house and unload at
> the destination. I just had 2 40ft containers delivered to me for
> $4350. I had to unload them. If you are interested look at
> www.myminicasa.com they might even have logistics capabilities to help.
> Your tractor will fit in the container, and when you get to AZ, you will
> have a shelter for your equipment.
>
> I bought my containers to replace a tractor shed that was torn up by a
> small tornado. I am going to set them about 24ft apart and build a
> roof between.
>
> Good luck I understand trying to get out of a high tax area. My area has
> become way too expensive due to the need to build an edifice for the influx
> of city folks with their snotty little brats.
>
> Cecil in oKla
>
> Cecil inOKla
>
>
>> On 9/28/2016 8:07 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>> In a business setting my company once bought a new trailer and then
>> immediately sold it at the destination. $400 loss was all we took. It
>> could have been less but selling quickly was important. Turned out to
>> be cheaper than renting and we got to haul cross country on new tires,
>> bearings, lighting, etc. If you are patient when selling it you might
>> come out pretty good. Another caveat is making sure you buy a brand(I.e.
>> A national brand) that has a reputation at your destination.
>>
>> If you can't sell it for what you think you need to get, then you
>> still have the trailer for chores at the new place.
>>
>> Just an idea....
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:04 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Make sure you check with trailer rental companies before making any
>>> decisions. Some maybe all rental trailers will rent a trailer to pull
>>> a car but will not allow a tractor to be pulled. I would not
>>> recommend buying an old used trailer as you really don’t know what
>>> you willbne getting and probably would be facing tire issues as well.
>>> Many trailers of this type have ST tires on them and they are not
>>> worth the powder to blow them up.
>>> Many of the ST tires have a warranty of 3 years or 10,000 mile
>>> whichever comes first. LT tires are much better.
>>>
>>> Dean VP
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>> Williams
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:30 PM
>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Subject: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>>>
>>> As our brand new house is nearing completion, we’re thinking there’s
>>> no better time to do what we’ve always thought about – moving out of
>>> this crazy tax-and-spend state! We figure with a brand new house and
>>> freshly cleared land behind it (giving the kitchen window a really
>>> nice view of the newly cleared property) we’ll get top dollar for
>>> what we have here in NY, which will allow us to move to Arizona
>>> (maybe even without a mortgage), which is where we feel like we need
>>> to be for various reasons. Not Phoenix (HOT), but Snowflake, up near
>>> Holbrook and Route 66, at 5,600 ft. altitude, and about 5,600
>>> population, too. Big change.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We figure we’ll rent a couple of the big U-Haul trucks (or Penske, or
>>> whatever’s cheapest) the biggest box trucks you can get without a
>>> CDL, and load up most of our things in those, but I’ll need to get my
>>> tractor out there somehow, and I don’t know what the best option for
>>> that will be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renting a trailer is an option, if I get a car hauler trailer, it
>>> will hold the tractor (and maybe one implement, like the mower, I
>>> hope.) That would be around $700 for a one-way tow. I could
>>> probably buy an old car hauler trailer or other dual axle flatbed
>>> trailer for around $800-1000. To pull it, I’d use either my ’05
>>> Sprinter, or maybe buy a pickup truck to pull it – but that might
>>> just be something like an old 1500 Silverado, not a ¾ ton or anything
>>> heavy duty like that. I’d prefer to own a trailer to haul it with,
>>> vs renting, for taking it for repairs, or to do work at someone
>>> else’s property, so there’s a huge benefit to that, for not a lot
>>> more money. But a rental trailer comes with company support, vs.
>>> sitting at the side of the road with a blowout or roasted bearing in
>>> my own trailer – who do I call then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another option would be to somehow get it into the back of one of the
>>> box trucks, I don’t know how possible or reasonable that is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The tractor weighs about 3500 lbs., the mower another 900, I’ll be
>>> getting a
>>> 550 lbs box blade, maybe a back blade (200-300 lbs.??) Because this
>>> is a vineyard model 135, it is very narrow, and would probably even
>>> just barely fit (lengthwise) in an 8 foot truck bed, with the right
>>> loading ramp (the width for sure would be fine, at about 50 inches.)
>>> Here’s a vineyard model that sold at auction, same year as mine (but,
>>> ahem, a bit nicer…):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mecum.com/lots/GL0616-251644/massey-ferguson-135-vineyard
>>> /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what should I do? I’m afraid of selling, because I’ve always been
>>> sorry when I sold something I love as much as I love this tractor.
>>> Sure, there are always other tractors, but if you sell your tractor,
>>> then buy another house, does the money really end up in another
>>> tractor, or just a nice granite countertop in the new house? But
>>> that might be the best option, if moving it will end up too costly
>>> and maybe dangerous. Because of where I live (where farms are going
>>> away, and people are leaving too, selling off what they have,) I
>>> think it is much easier and cheaper to find used implements here than
>>> in Arizona. I can get a good 6 foot box blade for about $500 here,
>>> and I’ve looked online in AZ and it looked like a Woods or Bush Hog
>>> box blade would be closer to $800, just as an example. I missed out
>>> on a really sturdy Gannon box for $300 or less, really kicking myself
>>> for that. So selling here doesn’t automatically translate to buying
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have any advice about hauling tractors, I’m all ears. I may
>>> not follow your advice, but I’ll listen! Also, any websites about
>>> this topic would be great, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
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