[AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country

[Ken Knierim]

Just some thoughts.

Get a shipping container AFTER Christmas. Price goes down after peak
shipping season after all the junk comes in from China. December on to
about March or April is better. Not sure I'd consider burying a container
but putting a roof between a couple is a common practice.
Buy a diesel pickup in AZ where there is basically no rust unless someone
brought it in. Springtime when the snowbirds head back is a good time;
sometimes they just want to sell off the RV and pickup and fly home. Much
better pricing time. 8 years ago I got an old 1997 12V Cummins Dodge. It
was very well kept, looked new, and I paid about $7K for it. It was already
beefed up (and as a result eventually needed a transmission). I keep it
under a carport roof and it still looks almost new with 200K miles and 19
years old. Older diesels make a lot of angry noises but work well and
aren't strangled as much by emissions crap (my opinion).

I just bought a 24' gooseneck for my 3/4 ton truck (used, beat up, and
cheap). It'll be a work in progress but I can haul a fair amount with it.
It's basically a stake bed so it can have sides or not. Might be an option
if you want some flexibility.

Snowflake is a nice Mormon town; the way the story goes, the Snow family
and the Flake family named the town. There is a congressman Jeff Flake from
that neck of the woods.
I've got a 20 acre parcel about 30 miles southeast of there and love it in
the summertime, other than when the no-see-ums are out. I'll be hunting elk
near there after Thanksgiving.

Welcome to the neighborhood!

Ken in AZ
(I live in the phoenix area, 3+ hours from Snowflake)


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com>
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I would check transport of the long 53 foot containers. I found on in the
> Tulsa area and called around for someone to move it about 15 miles for me.
> No one I called could handle the 53 foot container that was on the ground.
> I had to let it go because I could not get it moved.
> The 53 foot containers are made for the US transport regulations. Most are
> transported on container rail trailers or trains. These require a crane or
> large forklift to pick up the container for loading and unloading.
> I have also been checking out container trailers. Not sure I have funds to
> get one now, but sometime would like to find one that I could haul
> containers or tractors. There are several 40 foot gooseneck trailers, but
> trying load a longer container on them would not work well. Trying to find
> longer trailers has not been successful. My idea is that a 48 to 53 foot
> mini float type trailer with a 5th wheel hitch would work with my dually if
> I removed the bed and added a mini 5th wheel. Like I said, I have been
> looking on and off for a few months and not seen any for sale yet. I know I
> could go to some trailer manufactures and get a custom one built, but that
> would be high dollar.
>
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:04 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh ok that makes sense.   Yes you want to look at hi cube containers.
> > The standard containers are 7'6 inside width.  There are also 45', 48'
> and
> > 54' containers out there.  Shop around, you've got some time yet.
>  Actually
> > you might be able to buy a container and a container trailer and re-sell
> the
> > trailer when you get to your destination.  Then all you would need was
> > someone with a bob tailed road tractor.  You might even be able to trade
> the
> > trailer to the truck owner for the freight if the numbers work out.
> >
> > DO NOT use a U-Haul truck.  Use Penske or anything but U-Haul.   U-Haul
> > tends to
> > buy cheap trucks and run them in the ground.  Penske buys nice stuff,
> runs
> > it for a couple of
> > years to get the depreciation and then re-sells them.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Williams
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 3:42 AM
> > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
> >
> > Charlie, that is the price to move them to me, not to move my things to
> AZ.
> > Then I have to find someone to bring them across country.  So too
> costly.  I
> > may not need two, though.  If I can fit all our stuff in a single 40 foot
> > "high cube" container (1 foot taller) that would be a big savings, and is
> > what my wife wants, anyway.  There's a good chance one would hold more
> than
> > 2 26-foot box trucks - I think the containers are wider than the box
> trucks.
> >
> > A 26' Penske truck rental is $2078, and they rent diesel trucks, so the
> fuel
> > cost is estimated at $670.  Penske say 8 mpg for the diesel trucks, while
> > U-Haul claims 10 mpg for their gasoline trucks.  I'd say Penske is
> trying to
> > be honest (with a disclaimer that conditions vary.)
> >
> > Scott in Penfield NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:18 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
> >
> > Scott I didn't see this message before my recent reply.
> > I doubt there is a worldwide shortage of containers.
> > Worldwide, dry goods shipping has been dropping like a rock for several
> > years to the point that one of the worlds largest shippers just filled
> > bankruptcy and another one is spinning off it's container business from
> it's
> > other enterprises.
> >
> > The problem with containers is they just aren't always where you need
> them
> > to be.
> > With that said, $7400.00 isn't a bad deal because you are getting 4 to 5
> > grand worth of containers in the deal.  So you are getting your stuff
> moved
> > for about a buck a mile.
> > You can always sell the containers.  I'm assuming that price means you
> get
> > to keep the containers?
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Williams
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:20 PM
> > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
> >
> > I just got a price quote from this company, two "wind and water tight",
> 40'
> > containers, roll-off unloaded at my site, $7,353.46.  Ouch.  Another site
> > said there's a worldwide shortage of shipping containers for sale, and
> do I
> > want to consider a long-term lease.  Darned "tiny house" fad!
> >
> > Scott in Penfield NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:47 AM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
> >
> > Most of those Ryder trucks are governed at 55mph.  The ones I drove
> were.  I
> > would definitely get a diesel if renting one.  You will need it
> > for pulling a trailer on the long grades between NY and AZ.    I have
> > towed and driven over 49 of the 50 states.   One time even flying out to
> > the East coast and driving a 25yr old fire truck back to OKlahoma.   If
> > you are mechanically inclined and can properly prepare for this trip with
> > tools and ability and funds to tackle nearly any above average
> complication
> > on the way, then go for it.  I could probably list the most needed tools
> you
> > could need on the way.  You can get the mechanical knowledge and ability,
> > but one of the most important items is an understanding spouse who won't
> > blow up or melt down ( whichever is
> > appropriate ) when a problem arises.   It is difficult to focus on the
> > problem at hand when your butt is being removed one bite at a time while
> > being chastised about trying to travel across the country in rented
> trucks.
> >
> > Something you might look into is buying a couple of shipping containers,
> > packing them and having them hauled to the destination.  There are a lot
> of
> > trailers on the road that can load these at your house and unload at
> > the destination.   I just had 2 40ft containers delivered to me for
> > $4350.  I had to unload them.   If you are interested look at
> > www.myminicasa.com  they might even have logistics capabilities to help.
> > Your tractor will fit in the container, and when you get to AZ, you will
> > have a shelter for your equipment.
> >
> > I bought my containers to replace a tractor shed that was torn up by a
> > small tornado.   I am going to set them about 24ft apart and build a
> > roof between.
> >
> > Good luck  I understand trying to get out of a high tax area. My area has
> > become way too expensive due to the need to build an edifice for the
> influx
> > of city folks with their snotty little brats.
> >
> > Cecil in oKla
> >
> > Cecil inOKla
> >
> >
> >> On 9/28/2016 8:07 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> >> In a business setting my company once bought a new trailer and then
> >> immediately sold it at the destination.   $400 loss was all we took. It
> >> could have been less but selling quickly was important.  Turned out to
> >> be cheaper than renting and we got to haul cross country on new tires,
> >> bearings, lighting, etc.  If you are patient when selling it you might
> >> come out pretty good.  Another caveat is making sure you buy a
> brand(I.e.
> >> A national brand) that has a reputation at your destination.
> >>
> >> If you can't sell it for what you think you need to get, then you
> >> still have the trailer  for chores at the new place.
> >>
> >> Just an idea....
> >>
> >> Spencer Yost
> >>
> >>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:04 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott,
> >>>
> >>> Make sure you check with trailer rental companies before making any
> >>> decisions. Some maybe all rental trailers will rent a trailer to pull
> >>> a car but will not allow a tractor to be pulled.  I would not
> >>> recommend buying an old used trailer as you really don’t know what
> >>> you willbne getting and probably would be facing tire issues as well.
> >>> Many trailers of this type have ST tires on them and they are not
> >>> worth the powder to blow them up.
> >>> Many of the ST tires have a warranty of 3 years or 10,000 mile
> >>> whichever comes first.  LT tires are much better.
> >>>
> >>> Dean VP
> >>> Snohomish, WA 98290
> >>>
> >>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> >>> Williams
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:30 PM
> >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >>> Subject: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
> >>>
> >>> As our brand new house is nearing completion, we’re thinking there’s
> >>> no better time to do what we’ve always thought about – moving out of
> >>> this crazy tax-and-spend state!  We figure with a brand new house and
> >>> freshly cleared land behind it (giving the kitchen window a really
> >>> nice view of the newly cleared property) we’ll get top dollar for
> >>> what we have here in NY, which will allow us to move to Arizona
> >>> (maybe even without a mortgage), which is where we feel like we need
> >>> to be for various reasons.  Not Phoenix (HOT), but Snowflake, up near
> >>> Holbrook and Route 66, at 5,600 ft. altitude, and about 5,600
> >>> population, too.  Big change.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We figure we’ll rent a couple of the big U-Haul trucks (or Penske, or
> >>> whatever’s cheapest) the biggest box trucks you can get without a
> >>> CDL, and load up most of our things in those, but I’ll need to get my
> >>> tractor out there somehow, and I don’t know what the best option for
> >>> that will be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Renting a trailer is an option, if I get a car hauler trailer, it
> >>> will hold the tractor (and maybe one implement, like the mower, I
> >>> hope.)  That would be around $700 for a one-way tow.  I could
> >>> probably buy an old car hauler trailer or other dual axle flatbed
> >>> trailer for around $800-1000.  To pull it, I’d use either my ’05
> >>> Sprinter, or maybe buy a pickup truck to pull it – but that might
> >>> just be something like an old 1500 Silverado, not a ¾ ton or anything
> >>> heavy duty like that.  I’d prefer to own a trailer to haul it with,
> >>> vs renting, for taking it for repairs, or to do work at someone
> >>> else’s property, so there’s a huge benefit to that, for not a lot
> >>> more money.  But a rental trailer comes with company support, vs.
> >>> sitting at the side of the road with a blowout or roasted bearing in
> >>> my own trailer – who do I call then?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Another option would be to somehow get it into the back of one of the
> >>> box trucks, I don’t know how possible or reasonable that is.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The tractor weighs about 3500 lbs., the mower another 900, I’ll be
> >>> getting a
> >>> 550 lbs box blade, maybe a back blade (200-300 lbs.??)  Because this
> >>> is a vineyard model 135, it is very narrow, and would probably even
> >>> just barely fit (lengthwise) in an 8 foot truck bed, with the right
> >>> loading ramp (the width for sure would be fine, at about 50 inches.)
> >>> Here’s a vineyard model that sold at auction, same year as mine (but,
> >>> ahem, a bit nicer…):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.mecum.com/lots/GL0616-251644/massey-ferguson-135-vineyard
> >>> /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So what should I do?  I’m afraid of selling, because I’ve always been
> >>> sorry when I sold something I love as much as I love this tractor.
> >>> Sure, there are always other tractors, but if you sell your tractor,
> >>> then buy another house, does the money really end up in another
> >>> tractor, or just a nice granite countertop in the new house?  But
> >>> that might be the best option, if moving it will end up too costly
> >>> and maybe dangerous.  Because of where I live (where farms are going
> >>> away, and people are leaving too, selling off what they have,) I
> >>> think it is much easier and cheaper to find used implements here than
> >>> in Arizona.  I can get a good 6 foot box blade for about $500 here,
> >>> and I’ve looked online in AZ and it looked like a Woods or Bush Hog
> >>> box blade would be closer to $800, just as an example.  I missed out
> >>> on a really sturdy Gannon box for $300 or less, really kicking myself
> >>> for that.  So selling here doesn’t automatically translate to buying
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you have any advice about hauling tractors, I’m all ears.  I may
> >>> not follow your advice, but I’ll listen!  Also, any websites about
> >>> this topic would be great, too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Scott in Penfield NY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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