[AT] Semi-OT Dixon ZTR mower front tires

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Mon Sep 19 10:20:48 PDT 2016 

Never tried that on anything Cecil.  Might be a good plan.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil Bearden
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Semi-OT Dixon ZTR mower front tires

How about some of that Flex seal liquid?

Cecil


On 9/18/2016 11:16 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Cecil, in my first message I was trying to be as brief as possible
> but I did do that.  Once when I was sure I had them fixed I put them
> both in water and they bubbled around the beads.  That's when I
> took them off the rims and wire brushed the rims to clean and roughen
> the bead of the rim.  I put them back on with bead sealer and they still
> went flat.  When they were submersed I didn't see any other bubbles but
> around the bead and I replaced both valve stems and cores.
>
> Maybe I'll pump them up and submerge them again.  It's just such a pain to
> jack up the front of that mower and remove the axles to get them off.  Not 
> a
> lot of work, just a pain since it's low to the ground and the forks want 
> to
> swing
> everyway except the way you want them as you work.
>
> I'll do whatever it takes but when I do it this time I want to make sure 
> it
> works!!!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Bearden
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:49 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Semi-OT Dixon ZTR mower front tires
>
> Charlie:
>
> Unless you aired them up and submerged them in water to find the
> rim/bead leak, I would think you really have a problem with porous
> rubber.   Slime will take care of that.  Ultra seal will also, it is
> harder to find and is about $60/gal.  I have sealed beads with Silicone
> calk before,  However, after about 3 days of running, the tire blew
> out.  I think the bead was leaking into a ply separation.    It was an
> old tire though, so it was not a real big loss, just very
> inconvenient.   I put new front tires and rims on the NH money pit last
> year  The original ones did not work with the spacing and the loader,
> and the weight with a bale on the front.  I was mowing last week and the
> rt front tire deflated. It started raining and it was the next morning
> before I got back to the tractor.  They were chinese tires, 6 ply.  The
> only way I could get the tire to spread out was to  put a tube in it.
> I grew up with the old pressures for tractors were 24in front and 12 in
> rear.  I checked the other tire and it was 25lbs.  When I read on the
> side of the tire, it specified 40lbs minimum.  That was the reason the
> other side ran off the rim.  A lot of these Chinese tractor fronts are
> built on highway tire specs and require highway pressures.
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 9/18/2016 10:13 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Thanks for the replies on the tires.  Seems the consensus is that slime
>> will work if done properly.  I have some so I'll try it.  I think I'll
>> literally
>> "paint" the inside of the tire with it and then "paint" the beads after I
>> get
>> the tires remounted.  I've never even opened the container I have so I
>> won't know if that is possible until I take a look.  If I can that should
>> deal with
>> the fact that the tires aren't going to turn a lot and "sling" the slime
>> around.
>> I've already tried commercial tire bead sealer and it didn't work.   I
>> think
>> the
>> tires have just gotten hard on the beads.  I'm tempted to wet them with
>> brake fluid to cause them to swell some but if that works at all it would
>> be
>> a
>> temporary fix probably resulting in buying new tires soon.
>>
>> I don't mind buying new tires for it but I don't want to do that and find
>> out they
>> do the same thing.   I bought this mower from a friend who used it in his
>> small time
>> lawn care business.  He took great care of it and it's in great shape
>> except
>> these tires.
>> I asked and he said they never went flat on him and they didn't go flat 
>> on
>> me for the
>> first two seasons.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Indiana Robinson
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:57 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Semi-OT Dixon ZTR mower front tires
>>
>> I use a lot of Green Slime in tires including the kind for tube type
>> tires.
>> It serves me very well...
>> I don't like most sealers like Fix-a-flat because it makes such a hard to
>> remove mess in the tires. With the green slime if you do need to later
>> work
>> on the tire all it takes a minute with a garden hose to quickly flush it
>> all out cleanly.
>> My biggest tire problem is on those little cheap crappy tires on garden
>> wagons, 2 wheel dollies etc. I have accumulated quite a herd of them 
>> since
>> I am not as able as I used to be and my badly arthritic back doesn't like
>> carrying stuff around much.
>> I have a large Garden-Way cart that I like a lot especially for a few
>> bales. Those big bicycle tires on a heavier wheel really roll easy. I 
>> just
>> bought a new pair of tires and tube for it this summer but don't have 
>> them
>> on it yet. The old ones are the originals from 1970 or so.
>> I have a "muck" cart from Rural King that holds those plastic tubs (and
>> many other things) that we use a lot. It works well for a few bags of
>> feed,
>> 2 bales or a salt block. 50 pounds weighs more than it used to...  :-)
>> We have a regular appliance dolly that we also got around 1970 that has
>> often been a life-saver in moving all manner of stuff.
>> I get used to using them and get ticked off when I want to use one and it
>> has a flat. Green-slime works well...
>> A few of them have solid tires of one kind or another including some on
>> cast iron. Those rarely go flat.  :-)
>>
>> farmer
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:10 PM, markagreer <markagreer at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. There is a sealer made for that though. My wife's car has alloy
>>> wheels and they leak around the bead if you don't use the sealer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>>> Date: 9/17/16  10:18 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Antique tractor email 
>>> discussion
>>> group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] Semi-OT Dixon ZTR
>>> mower front tires
>>> Slime is great stuff but, I would not think that Slime would seal the
>>> tubeless tire to the rim.
>>>           Dave
>>>
>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Len Rugen <rugenl at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It may be a pain, but tubes may be better than slime, if you don't have
>>> any thorns.  If you have thorns, try slime.  It may be time for new
>>> tires.
>>> I've been tempted to find some tire/wheel assemblies that have the "no
>>> air"
>>> tires.
>>>> I have a finish mower that has 4 small tube-type wheels.  If I run them
>>> at the recommended pressure, they pop off the beads.  If I run them at
>>> 15-20, they are OK, but they look low, so I miss it when they are low.
>>> If
>>> they go flat, they usually cut the stem off the tube.
>>>> Len Rugen
>>>>
>>>> rugenl at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:58 PM, Jason
>>>> <dejoodster at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> A lot of those small tires are crap these days.  Some sort of sealant
>>>> should do the job. Just put it in and run them a while to coat them.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016, 1:29 PM charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got some slime here but it's the kind for automotive tires and
>>>>> I don't know if these mower tires turn fast enough to get it evenly
>>>>> distributed.  I thought about painting the beads with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mike M
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:56 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Semi-OT Dixon ZTR mower front tires
>>>>>
>>>>> Had the same problem with my garden tractor that i now use as a butt
>>>>> buggy. A can of Slime took care of the problem, for under $10 it's
>>>>> cheaper and easier than a tube.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2016 12:34 PM, Steve Offiler wrote:
>>>>>> Charlie did you check valve stems?  I have this exact problem on my 
>>>>>> DR
>>>>>> mower.  Valve stem rubber is aging and cracking.  Holds air OK,
>>> meaning I
>>>>>> can inflate and use the machine all day, but it's flat again in a few
>>>>>> days.  If the stem is moved around you get audible hissing.  This
>>> reminds
>>>>>> me I've got to deal with it soon. That machine is my snowblower too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:57 AM, charlie hill <
>>> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys I've got a Dixon Commercial grade ZTR mower.
>>>>>>> The front caster wheel tires are 11 x 4-5 tubeless.
>>>>>>> All of a sudden last fall I started having the front tires
>>>>>>> go flat.  They are in good shape.  I finally, early this spring,
>>>>>>> took them off the rims and wire brushed the bead of the
>>>>>>> rims to remove what little bit of surface rust and crud that
>>>>>>> had built up and there wasn't much.  Then I cleaned the
>>>>>>> bead of the tires with a solvent type cleaner that I hoped would
>>>>>>> soften them a bit.  I put them back on the rims and pumped them
>>>>>>> up and immersed the entire mess into a bucket of water.  NO leaks
>>>>>>> on either tire.  I put them back on the machine, mowed the yard one
>>>>>>> time and the next time I went to the mower they were flat again.
>>>>>>> So, I got some beat sealer compound and put on the beads.  Same
>>> result.
>>>>>>> Has anyone got a clue how to fix this problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking tubes or just having the tires foam filled.  Opinions
>>>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>>> Also does anyone know what size tube fits in an 11 x 4-5 tire?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, I'm sick of pumping those tires up.  The only leak I've ever
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> around the bead.  I'm pretty certain there are no holes in the 
>>>>>>> tires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>
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