[AT] OT Cadillac Northstar engine

[Stephen Offiler]

I don't know, Charlie.  Literally I have no facts about GM's strategies,
and I don't know if I agree with your assessment either.  I think, if that
was a real goal, there's a lot of parts I could pick before a starter,
which can go on average a very long time without replacement.  Second,
after warranty (figure most starters last past the warranty period) people
tend more toward their local garages vs the dealer.  That is a fact.
Third, most dealerships I'm familiar with separate the service department
from the sales department.  In these cases someone bringing a car in for
service has no interaction with any sales geeks.  That can vary from place
to place of course.

But again I have no facts here.  I think putting the starter in the V is
pretty stupid but I think it must have been driven by an edict to make the
engine externally as small as possible in order to shoehorn it into smaller
engine bays.  It might be a "Cadillac" engine but you can bet that during
the design stages when that starter location got locked into the design,
they could not predict where the engine would eventually be used.  That
would be the marketing department driving the decision, which is one of the
things I mentioned earlier.

SO


On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> Steve you are right, most times these things are driven by bean counters
> and
> lawyers but
> a starter under the intake????  That's just an excuse to force the owner to
> bring it back to the
> dealer for service so the sales geeks can talk them into trading for the
> latest model.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 5:00 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Cadillac Northstar engine
>
> Speaking for all the engineers out there, I'm going to default to:  "there
> has GOT to be more to this story"  There's practically always a
> bean-counter or a marketing executive and sometimes even a lawyer cracking
> a whip behind the downtrodden engineer, with stupidity resulting.
> SO
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Still have a job, you ask? He won the most screwed up innovation of the
> > year award. Not only did he get a big bonus and a raise, he's now highly
> > sought after by all the other auto manufacturers.  :-) Doug T
> >
> > On 10/1/2016 3:51 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> > > Starter inside the engine?  SAY WHAT?????????
> > >
> > > Does that engineer still have a job?
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > >
> >
> >
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