[AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
charlie hill
charliehill at embarqmail.com
Sat Oct 1 12:59:27 PDT 2016
Oh there is no doubt about that. You might be able to haul an empty trailer
a few miles with a pickup but there is no way to reasonably haul a loaded
container without a road tractor.
Charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:07 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
Charlie,
Most of the container rail trailers are set up for SAE Class 6, 7 or 8 semi
trucks with air brakes and electric connections/wiring for semi trucks. The
axles, tires, and suspensions on these are 34,000 to 40,000 rated systems.
Here in Houston there is a place with a few hundred of these trailers
stacked. To pull with my 97 Dodge dually I want something with electric
brakes and smaller tires that would be lighter, lower, and would have enough
of a floor where the container can be drug off using a winch. Then I could
also haul 3 or more lighter tractors on the same trailer. A dual tandem
24,000 pound axle rating would be more than I could legally carry with my
Dodge. Doing more I would need to move up to a larger truck and register it
as a commercial vehicle since I do not have enough land to qualify for farm
tags. While that might be a fun project, it would be a serious project
needing serious $$$ and time.
A few years back I had the opportunity to visit CMIC in China. This is the
plant that builds the largest number of containers in the world (I think
over half, but not positive). It was interesting to see how they were doing
it. The company I work with in China also builds some specialty containers
for the oilfield, but things are slow now due to oil prices being down.
Container rail trailers have the ISO locks on the corners as you said. Many
container trailers just use straps to hold down the containers instead of
ISO locks.
Thanks
Dennis
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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:22 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dennis, a true container trailer is just a chassis with 4 locking pegs
> that
> stick up at the corners.
> the 45, 48 and 53 foot containers are built just like 40 foot containers
> except with an extension
> on the ends. The holes where you lift them are on the same 8' x 40'
> (approximately) pattern on all of
> them. If you search the container sites you will sometimes find the
> trailers for sale too.
> Locally a lot of folks use long, roll back, low boys to move containers
> but
> those trailers weight too much
> to move loaded trailers on. So you get into one of two situations with
> containers, you ship them on someone
> else's container trailer and have to find a facility equipped to lift the
> container off (not all containers can be
> safely lifted in the middle with a fork lift. the ones that can usually
> have
> fork slots cut in their frame.) or you
> buy your own trailer so you can unload at your leisure and then get rid of
> the trailer. I suppose there may be
> a way to lease a trailer as well but I doubt that would be cheap.
>
> With all that said, I've never bought or hauled a container but for a
> couple of years I did a lot of research into them including e
> exactly how they are made down to the centimeter for a project I was
> hoping
> to do. I'm at the point now of knowing what
> I need, I just have to find the money to buy several identical trailers.
> That might never happen.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Johnson
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:22 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>
> Scott,
>
> I would check transport of the long 53 foot containers. I found on in the
> Tulsa area and called around for someone to move it about 15 miles for me.
> No one I called could handle the 53 foot container that was on the ground.
> I
> had to let it go because I could not get it moved.
> The 53 foot containers are made for the US transport regulations. Most are
> transported on container rail trailers or trains. These require a crane or
> large forklift to pick up the container for loading and unloading.
> I have also been checking out container trailers. Not sure I have funds to
> get one now, but sometime would like to find one that I could haul
> containers or tractors. There are several 40 foot gooseneck trailers, but
> trying load a longer container on them would not work well. Trying to find
> longer trailers has not been successful. My idea is that a 48 to 53 foot
> mini float type trailer with a 5th wheel hitch would work with my dually
> if
> I removed the bed and added a mini 5th wheel. Like I said, I have been
> looking on and off for a few months and not seen any for sale yet. I know
> I
> could go to some trailer manufactures and get a custom one built, but that
> would be high dollar.
>
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:04 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh ok that makes sense. Yes you want to look at hi cube containers.
>> The standard containers are 7'6 inside width. There are also 45', 48'
>> and
>> 54' containers out there. Shop around, you've got some time yet.
>> Actually
>> you might be able to buy a container and a container trailer and re-sell
>> the
>> trailer when you get to your destination. Then all you would need was
>> someone with a bob tailed road tractor. You might even be able to trade
>> the
>> trailer to the truck owner for the freight if the numbers work out.
>>
>> DO NOT use a U-Haul truck. Use Penske or anything but U-Haul. U-Haul
>> tends to
>> buy cheap trucks and run them in the ground. Penske buys nice stuff,
>> runs
>> it for a couple of
>> years to get the depreciation and then re-sells them.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Williams
>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 3:42 AM
>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>>
>> Charlie, that is the price to move them to me, not to move my things to
>> AZ.
>> Then I have to find someone to bring them across country. So too costly.
>> I
>> may not need two, though. If I can fit all our stuff in a single 40 foot
>> "high cube" container (1 foot taller) that would be a big savings, and is
>> what my wife wants, anyway. There's a good chance one would hold more
>> than
>> 2 26-foot box trucks - I think the containers are wider than the box
>> trucks.
>>
>> A 26' Penske truck rental is $2078, and they rent diesel trucks, so the
>> fuel
>> cost is estimated at $670. Penske say 8 mpg for the diesel trucks, while
>> U-Haul claims 10 mpg for their gasoline trucks. I'd say Penske is trying
>> to
>> be honest (with a disclaimer that conditions vary.)
>>
>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:18 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>>
>> Scott I didn't see this message before my recent reply.
>> I doubt there is a worldwide shortage of containers.
>> Worldwide, dry goods shipping has been dropping like a rock for several
>> years to the point that one of the worlds largest shippers just filled
>> bankruptcy and another one is spinning off it's container business from
>> it's
>> other enterprises.
>>
>> The problem with containers is they just aren't always where you need
>> them
>> to be.
>> With that said, $7400.00 isn't a bad deal because you are getting 4 to 5
>> grand worth of containers in the deal. So you are getting your stuff
>> moved
>> for about a buck a mile.
>> You can always sell the containers. I'm assuming that price means you
>> get
>> to keep the containers?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Williams
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:20 PM
>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>>
>> I just got a price quote from this company, two "wind and water tight",
>> 40'
>> containers, roll-off unloaded at my site, $7,353.46. Ouch. Another site
>> said there's a worldwide shortage of shipping containers for sale, and do
>> I
>> want to consider a long-term lease. Darned "tiny house" fad!
>>
>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:47 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>>
>> Most of those Ryder trucks are governed at 55mph. The ones I drove were.
>> I
>> would definitely get a diesel if renting one. You will need it
>> for pulling a trailer on the long grades between NY and AZ. I have
>> towed and driven over 49 of the 50 states. One time even flying out to
>> the East coast and driving a 25yr old fire truck back to OKlahoma. If
>> you are mechanically inclined and can properly prepare for this trip with
>> tools and ability and funds to tackle nearly any above average
>> complication
>> on the way, then go for it. I could probably list the most needed tools
>> you
>> could need on the way. You can get the mechanical knowledge and ability,
>> but one of the most important items is an understanding spouse who won't
>> blow up or melt down ( whichever is
>> appropriate ) when a problem arises. It is difficult to focus on the
>> problem at hand when your butt is being removed one bite at a time while
>> being chastised about trying to travel across the country in rented
>> trucks.
>>
>> Something you might look into is buying a couple of shipping containers,
>> packing them and having them hauled to the destination. There are a lot
>> of
>> trailers on the road that can load these at your house and unload at
>> the destination. I just had 2 40ft containers delivered to me for
>> $4350. I had to unload them. If you are interested look at
>> www.myminicasa.com they might even have logistics capabilities to help.
>> Your tractor will fit in the container, and when you get to AZ, you will
>> have a shelter for your equipment.
>>
>> I bought my containers to replace a tractor shed that was torn up by a
>> small tornado. I am going to set them about 24ft apart and build a
>> roof between.
>>
>> Good luck I understand trying to get out of a high tax area. My area has
>> become way too expensive due to the need to build an edifice for the
>> influx
>> of city folks with their snotty little brats.
>>
>> Cecil in oKla
>>
>> Cecil inOKla
>>
>>
>>> On 9/28/2016 8:07 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>> In a business setting my company once bought a new trailer and then
>>> immediately sold it at the destination. $400 loss was all we took. It
>>> could have been less but selling quickly was important. Turned out to
>>> be cheaper than renting and we got to haul cross country on new tires,
>>> bearings, lighting, etc. If you are patient when selling it you might
>>> come out pretty good. Another caveat is making sure you buy a
>>> brand(I.e.
>>> A national brand) that has a reputation at your destination.
>>>
>>> If you can't sell it for what you think you need to get, then you
>>> still have the trailer for chores at the new place.
>>>
>>> Just an idea....
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:04 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Scott,
>>>>
>>>> Make sure you check with trailer rental companies before making any
>>>> decisions. Some maybe all rental trailers will rent a trailer to pull
>>>> a car but will not allow a tractor to be pulled. I would not
>>>> recommend buying an old used trailer as you really don’t know what
>>>> you willbne getting and probably would be facing tire issues as well.
>>>> Many trailers of this type have ST tires on them and they are not
>>>> worth the powder to blow them up.
>>>> Many of the ST tires have a warranty of 3 years or 10,000 mile
>>>> whichever comes first. LT tires are much better.
>>>>
>>>> Dean VP
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>>> Williams
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:30 PM
>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> Subject: [AT] Transporting a Massey Ferguson 135 across country
>>>>
>>>> As our brand new house is nearing completion, we’re thinking there’s
>>>> no better time to do what we’ve always thought about – moving out of
>>>> this crazy tax-and-spend state! We figure with a brand new house and
>>>> freshly cleared land behind it (giving the kitchen window a really
>>>> nice view of the newly cleared property) we’ll get top dollar for
>>>> what we have here in NY, which will allow us to move to Arizona
>>>> (maybe even without a mortgage), which is where we feel like we need
>>>> to be for various reasons. Not Phoenix (HOT), but Snowflake, up near
>>>> Holbrook and Route 66, at 5,600 ft. altitude, and about 5,600
>>>> population, too. Big change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We figure we’ll rent a couple of the big U-Haul trucks (or Penske, or
>>>> whatever’s cheapest) the biggest box trucks you can get without a
>>>> CDL, and load up most of our things in those, but I’ll need to get my
>>>> tractor out there somehow, and I don’t know what the best option for
>>>> that will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Renting a trailer is an option, if I get a car hauler trailer, it
>>>> will hold the tractor (and maybe one implement, like the mower, I
>>>> hope.) That would be around $700 for a one-way tow. I could
>>>> probably buy an old car hauler trailer or other dual axle flatbed
>>>> trailer for around $800-1000. To pull it, I’d use either my ’05
>>>> Sprinter, or maybe buy a pickup truck to pull it – but that might
>>>> just be something like an old 1500 Silverado, not a ¾ ton or anything
>>>> heavy duty like that. I’d prefer to own a trailer to haul it with,
>>>> vs renting, for taking it for repairs, or to do work at someone
>>>> else’s property, so there’s a huge benefit to that, for not a lot
>>>> more money. But a rental trailer comes with company support, vs.
>>>> sitting at the side of the road with a blowout or roasted bearing in
>>>> my own trailer – who do I call then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another option would be to somehow get it into the back of one of the
>>>> box trucks, I don’t know how possible or reasonable that is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The tractor weighs about 3500 lbs., the mower another 900, I’ll be
>>>> getting a
>>>> 550 lbs box blade, maybe a back blade (200-300 lbs.??) Because this
>>>> is a vineyard model 135, it is very narrow, and would probably even
>>>> just barely fit (lengthwise) in an 8 foot truck bed, with the right
>>>> loading ramp (the width for sure would be fine, at about 50 inches.)
>>>> Here’s a vineyard model that sold at auction, same year as mine (but,
>>>> ahem, a bit nicer…):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mecum.com/lots/GL0616-251644/massey-ferguson-135-vineyard
>>>> /
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what should I do? I’m afraid of selling, because I’ve always been
>>>> sorry when I sold something I love as much as I love this tractor.
>>>> Sure, there are always other tractors, but if you sell your tractor,
>>>> then buy another house, does the money really end up in another
>>>> tractor, or just a nice granite countertop in the new house? But
>>>> that might be the best option, if moving it will end up too costly
>>>> and maybe dangerous. Because of where I live (where farms are going
>>>> away, and people are leaving too, selling off what they have,) I
>>>> think it is much easier and cheaper to find used implements here than
>>>> in Arizona. I can get a good 6 foot box blade for about $500 here,
>>>> and I’ve looked online in AZ and it looked like a Woods or Bush Hog
>>>> box blade would be closer to $800, just as an example. I missed out
>>>> on a really sturdy Gannon box for $300 or less, really kicking myself
>>>> for that. So selling here doesn’t automatically translate to buying
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have any advice about hauling tractors, I’m all ears. I may
>>>> not follow your advice, but I’ll listen! Also, any websites about
>>>> this topic would be great, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>>>
>>>>
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