[Farmall] m

ebony51 at frontiernet.net ebony51 at frontiernet.net
Sat Nov 26 04:22:14 PST 2016 

I remember 50 plus years ago mowing around the lakes in the Sandhills of Nebraska. The widefront end Super A's could get a lot closer to the lakes than the narrow front end H's.  The narrow frontend H's were both heavier and the weight concentrated on the narrow front end.  They would drop right through the soft ground that the Super A's would go right over.

Larry Hardesty 
Kearney, Nebraska

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On Fri, 11/25/16, Jim Becker <mr.jebecker at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Farmall] m
 To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
 Date: Friday, November 25, 2016, 10:29 PM
 
 For flood irrigation,
 usually (as far as I know) the rows are heavily 
 hilled, creating v-like trenches between the
 rows.  With dual fronts, if you 
 are a
 little off center, the tire against the hill tries to pull
 the tractor 
 farther off center.  A single
 stays more easily in the center.  In some of 
 the dryland areas, big ridges are used for
 moisture control (e.g. highland 
 cotton). 
 They used single fronts for the same tracking reason.
 
 In some small vegetable
 operations, they want to plant rows very close 
 together.  A single front is less of a
 constraint on narrow rows.  A wide 
 front
 is often preferred for vegetables, same reason.
 
 The narrow duals can be a big
 problem in mud.  Aftermarket mud scrapers came 
 along to help this.  I recall one year when it
 caused a problem chopping 
 corn on my
 dad's farm.  We had to go through one big mud hole each
 time 
 around the field.  We had the chopper
 and wagon behind an M with a wide 
 front. 
 It didn't have a problem with the front wheels but
 couldn't pull the 
 whole rig through the
 mud.  A second tractor got chained to the front each 
 time around and dropped off once past the
 mud.  The second tractor was a MH 
 44 with
 a narrow front.  They finally unbolted one front wheel and
 ran on a 
 single.  Steering wasn't easy
 but at least the remaining wheel would keep 
 turning.
 
 Jim
 Becker
 
 -----Original
 Message----- 
 From: E. John Puckett
 Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 9:35 PM
 To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
 Subject: Re: [Farmall] m
 
 The further out those wheels were the harder it
 was on your wrists and
 hands if you hit a
 rock or a hole with the front. =-O
 
 
 On 11/25/2016 9:16 PM, John
 Hall wrote:
 > Well that does make quite a
 bit of sense. Sometimes we had to go in
 >
 fairly quick to pull the pipes up, didn't have time to
 let the sled rows
 > dry. It was amazing
 to me how much mud a Super A could go through.
 > I have seen 2 or 3 H and M's with the
 dual front that had the rims
 > mounted so
 they were spaced wide--wonder if mud was the reason?
 Whatever
 > the reason they looked weird
 and I always wondered how they drove.
 >
 > John Hall
 >
 >
 >
 On 11/25/2016 8:45 PM, E. John Puckett wrote:
 >> I would think the dual front wheels
 would have problems with mud balling
 >> up between them where the ground was
 heavily irrigated.  I remember a
 >>
 few times when we had gotten the H in the mud we had to dig
 the mud out
 >> between the wheels when
 we parked it for the night when freezing weather
 >> was predicted.
 >>
 >>
 >> On 11/25/2016 7:26 PM, John Hall
 wrote:
 >>> Grant, guess what I was
 trying to say is that the double front wheel
 >>> setup is probably the most common
 across the US. Remember, I'm in NC,
 >>> not the Midwest. Outside of a few
 F-12's, I rarely can recall seeing a
 >>> single wheel setup on anything--It
 definitely makes it a more desirable
 >>> collector tractor by being so
 odd.
 >>>
 >>> Regardless of whats most common,
 how come narrow fronts don't work well
 >>> for irrigation? I'm thinking
 you guys have ditches or canal's for
 >>> irrigation, do you flood the
 fields or do they cause issues trying to
 >>> cross ditches? We don't see
 very much produce farming here. Whatever we
 >>> do have would be watered the same
 as tobacco---lots of alum pipe laid
 >>> out temporarily. Old school method
 was to have individual guns in the
 >>> field. 30 years ago that gave way
 to "rain reels"--huge reel of pipe
 >>> with a traveling gun. It was a lot
 faster to setup! I've seen a couple
 >>> of the big metal overhead
 traveling irrigation outfits in the eastern
 >>> part of the state--its very flat
 there.
 >>>
 >>> John
 >>>
 >>>>
 John, I hope that you noted I said that in CALIFORNIA that
 the dual
 >>>> center wheels are
 rare.... I realize that in places where irrigation is
 >>>> not the norm  that setup was
 indeed the norm, but it does not work with
 >>>> irrigation or the hills we
 have. I actually drove one of those midwest
 >>>> setup tractors before I ever
 owned my first tractor (a 1949 Oliver 77
 >>>> three wheel tricycle that we
 still use) when I visited my great uncle 
 >>>> in
 >>>> Illinois. The point of my post
 is to remind all of us that there are
 >>>> differences between areas in
 farming and equipment practices.
 >>>>
 >>>>           By
 the way, I too have used the 90 degree turn to load a 
 >>>> tricycle
 >>>> tractor as noted by mr.
 Puckett. It is a bit odd, but it works and is
 >>>> actually safe for an
 experienced operator. We still have and use a
 >>>> Farmall 240 tricycle, two
 Oliver 77 tricycles and converted one Oliver
 >>>> 77 tricycle to factory wide
 front. The Farmall 100's and the 140 are
 >>>> wide front of course as they
 only ever came that way.
 >>>>
 >>>>                   
       Grant Brians - Hollister,California farmer
 >>>>
 >>>>                   
    Grant Brians
 >>>>
 >>>>
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