[AT] OT LED question

Sun Nov 6 04:02:44 PST 2016

There was NEVER any attack intended.  That Charlie perceives attack in my
comments is troubling in itself.  I will agree it takes two to tango, and
I'll agree to sit over on the other side of the diner.

SO

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:35 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> Mike I would completely agree with you if it was not for a several year
> history.
> I agree, I don't know that Steve intends to sound condescending but after
> being subtly attacked time after time by his comments it builds up.
> I just wish he would watch his tone a bit.  Anyway, I've made my point and
> I'll let it go.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike M
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:28 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>
> I think that this list has some of the brightest, most knowledgeable
> people I have ever had the pleasure of "speaking" to.  Whether it be
> engineering, welding, farming, truck driving, cobbling, carpentry, and
> most importantly old and even newer tractors, you want it we've got it.
> I've watched this list morph in the last 20 years, from an antique
> tractor only board to a, "having a cup of coffee at the local breakfast
> place, just shooting the shit about whatever board", and I personally
> like that. I know there are some that get irritated with OT posts, but
> is it really that hard to hit the delete key.  One of the drawbacks of
> email and texting is that you cannot tell someones voice inflection.
> What one may think is sincere sharing of knowledge they have, might be
> seen being a know it all by others. Charlie, I re-read what Steve wrote
> and can honestly say I do not think he meant to disrespect or call you a
> liar in any way, it was a simple misunderstanding, and hopefully after
> Tuesday those light bulb plants with re-open ;) Anyway, back out to
> hopefully finish cutting firewood, it's a beautiful fall day in Michigan.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On 11/5/2016 12:09 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> > Mike,  I just went and bought a box of those bulbs.
> > 3 pack, 100 W, 2500 hour, 1600 lumen.  $1.99 in a
> > convenience store.  NOW,  it does say in very small
> > print at the bottom of the box, "heavy duty, rough service"
> > so that IS how they are getting around the law.
> >
> > What doesn't change is the fact that they are NOT HALOGEN
> > and I’M NOT crazy or a liar.
> >
> > The point remains the same.  These bulbs used to be made by
> > American workers in places like Goldsboro, NC and Winchester, VA.
> > In plants that are now shuttered because the EPA made some stupid
> > rule that allowed the manufacturers to ship the jobs off shore where
> > they can avoid environmental laws, minimum wage laws and YES Obama
> > Care.
> >
> > I was asked, by Ken I think?, to take it easy on Steve.  I'll be glad to.
> > I
> > like
> > Steve and in the past he has been helpful to me.  He is indeed an
> > intelligent
> > man but WHAT I AM ASKING IS THAT Steve take it easy on me and stop nit
> > picking
> > everything I post as if I am stupid and don't know what I'm talking
> about.
> >
> > Steve if I'm wrong about  something I say I want to be corrected.  I just
> > don't like your
> > condescending tone. I might not have reacted to this message if not for
> > all
> > the ones
> > before it over the past few years.  PLEASE consider the way you sound.
> >
> > I know I’m a bit harsh and abrupt myself at times.  I don’t mean to be
> and
> > probably
> > Steve doesn't mean to be either but this bump has been picked until it's
> a
> > sore with
> > a scab on it.  I've had enough of it.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike M
> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 6:50 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
> >
> > Charlie, are they by any chance what they refer to as a heavy duty or a
> > rough service bulb? I know they can still make those legally. I got so
> > tired of the florescent squiggly bulbs in our barn, try feeding horses
> > at 4 AM, when it's 0 degrees outside, all I would get is a faint glow.
> > Replaced all the bulbs with _300 watt_ incandescent bulbs, now I
> > actually see and work on my tan.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike M
> >
> > On 11/4/2016 6:22 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> >> There you go again Steve.  I TOLD YOU IT IS A 100 WATT INCANDESCENT
> BULB.
> >> Did I say anything about a halogen bulb inside a incandescent envelope?
> >> I know you think I'm stupid but give it a break man.  Do you have to
> >> argue
> >> with
> >> EVERYTHING anyone says to you??????????????????????????????
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stephen Offiler
> >> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 5:47 PM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
> >>
> >> The act of Congress that imposed efficiency restrictions on lighting,
> >> effectively outlawing those old-school 100 watt incandescent bulbs, was
> >> signed into law by President Bush in 2007.  It's called the EISA, the
> >> Energy Independence and Security Act.
> >>
> >> It is possible to manufacture a 100-watt bulb that meets EISA, with a
> >> halogen bulb inside a normal incandescent glass envelope.  It would be
> >> cheaper to manufacture this design in low-labor-cost countries such as
> >> China.
> >>
> >> Why does my local power company  subsidize the purchase of LED bulbs?
> >> Seems backward, doesn't it?  They are going to be selling me less
> >> electricity.
> >>
> >> SO
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, charlie hill <
> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I recently found out that I can buy incandescent 100 W bulbs off the
> >>> shelf
> >>> at
> >>> the convenience store 1 mile from my house!  NO these aren't new old
> >>> stock
> >>> and
> >>> the store owner didn't stock up before the ban.  They come in every
> >>> week,
> >>> replenished
> >>> by the service merchandizer and on sale in plain view, not hidden in
> the
> >>> back room or
> >>> under the counter.  The only thing is .... they are MADE IN CHINA....
> >>> Thousands of American
> >>> jobs lost but the bulbs that were supposedly causing the seas to rise
> >>> are
> >>> still available.
> >>> SO, I think we now know the REAL reason why they were outlawed.
> >>>
> >>> Charlie
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Dick Day
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 4:08 PM
> >>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
> >>>
> >>> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that
> the
> >>> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal.  Actually, I believe it's
> >>> the
> >>> drivers that fail.
> >>>
> >>> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on
> in
> >>> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You folks know me:   I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man
> >>>> that
> >>>> says everything new is terrible.  In fact I don't even have to try all
> >>>> that
> >>>> hard.  Adapting comes naturally.
> >>>>
> >>>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....
> >>>> I
> >>>> hate CFLs and LEDs.   None of them last like they claim and the light
> >>>> quality stinks.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have my sympathy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
> >>>>
> >>>> General purpose LED bulbs are  not dimmable without side effects,  for
> >>>> enclosed housings or rough service.   In fact one LED in a dimmable
> >>>> circuit
> >>>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages)
> transformer
> >>>> hum. It was the weirdest thing.   Slide the dimmer down halfway and
> the
> >>>> UPS
> >>>> would make a racket.   All the way up and it would be fine.
> >>>> Completely
> >>>> different circuits too.   The bulb itself would dim fine without
> effect
> >>>> but
> >>>> my UPS hated it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Spencer Yost
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp.  It turned out that one
> portion
> >>>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about
> >>> half.
> >>>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine
> >>>> since
> >>>> then.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Larry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some
> LED
> >>>>>> lights here and there.  One being in the kitchen.  Seemed good.
> >>>>>> However,
> >>>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen.  Just
> >>>>>> seemed like there was not enough light.  I just screwed the CREE LED
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs.  Holy
> Smokes!!!!
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> can see again.  I was getting worried about my eyes.  Why has this
> >>>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down??  I think the govmnt stuck it to us
> >>>>>> again like the digital television signal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ron
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