[AT] OT LED question
Dave
rotigel at me.com
Sat Nov 5 16:17:03 PDT 2016
Mike, I’m with you 100% on what you are saying about our list and all the people on it!
Dave
PS, New/reopened light bulb plants in the USA would be a BIG step in the right direction!
PS, We might even start manufacturing tractors again here at home—which tractors would be antique by the year 2076!
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>
> I think that this list has some of the brightest, most knowledgeable
> people I have ever had the pleasure of "speaking" to. Whether it be
> engineering, welding, farming, truck driving, cobbling, carpentry, and
> most importantly old and even newer tractors, you want it we've got it.
> I've watched this list morph in the last 20 years, from an antique
> tractor only board to a, "having a cup of coffee at the local breakfast
> place, just shooting the shit about whatever board", and I personally
> like that. I know there are some that get irritated with OT posts, but
> is it really that hard to hit the delete key. One of the drawbacks of
> email and texting is that you cannot tell someones voice inflection.
> What one may think is sincere sharing of knowledge they have, might be
> seen being a know it all by others. Charlie, I re-read what Steve wrote
> and can honestly say I do not think he meant to disrespect or call you a
> liar in any way, it was a simple misunderstanding, and hopefully after
> Tuesday those light bulb plants with re-open ;) Anyway, back out to
> hopefully finish cutting firewood, it's a beautiful fall day in Michigan.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On 11/5/2016 12:09 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Mike, I just went and bought a box of those bulbs.
>> 3 pack, 100 W, 2500 hour, 1600 lumen. $1.99 in a
>> convenience store. NOW, it does say in very small
>> print at the bottom of the box, "heavy duty, rough service"
>> so that IS how they are getting around the law.
>>
>> What doesn't change is the fact that they are NOT HALOGEN
>> and I’M NOT crazy or a liar.
>>
>> The point remains the same. These bulbs used to be made by
>> American workers in places like Goldsboro, NC and Winchester, VA.
>> In plants that are now shuttered because the EPA made some stupid
>> rule that allowed the manufacturers to ship the jobs off shore where
>> they can avoid environmental laws, minimum wage laws and YES Obama
>> Care.
>>
>> I was asked, by Ken I think?, to take it easy on Steve. I'll be glad to. I
>> like
>> Steve and in the past he has been helpful to me. He is indeed an
>> intelligent
>> man but WHAT I AM ASKING IS THAT Steve take it easy on me and stop nit
>> picking
>> everything I post as if I am stupid and don't know what I'm talking about.
>>
>> Steve if I'm wrong about something I say I want to be corrected. I just
>> don't like your
>> condescending tone. I might not have reacted to this message if not for all
>> the ones
>> before it over the past few years. PLEASE consider the way you sound.
>>
>> I know I’m a bit harsh and abrupt myself at times. I don’t mean to be and
>> probably
>> Steve doesn't mean to be either but this bump has been picked until it's a
>> sore with
>> a scab on it. I've had enough of it.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike M
>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 6:50 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>>
>> Charlie, are they by any chance what they refer to as a heavy duty or a
>> rough service bulb? I know they can still make those legally. I got so
>> tired of the florescent squiggly bulbs in our barn, try feeding horses
>> at 4 AM, when it's 0 degrees outside, all I would get is a faint glow.
>> Replaced all the bulbs with _300 watt_ incandescent bulbs, now I
>> actually see and work on my tan.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 11/4/2016 6:22 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> There you go again Steve. I TOLD YOU IT IS A 100 WATT INCANDESCENT BULB.
>>> Did I say anything about a halogen bulb inside a incandescent envelope?
>>> I know you think I'm stupid but give it a break man. Do you have to argue
>>> with
>>> EVERYTHING anyone says to you??????????????????????????????
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 5:47 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>>>
>>> The act of Congress that imposed efficiency restrictions on lighting,
>>> effectively outlawing those old-school 100 watt incandescent bulbs, was
>>> signed into law by President Bush in 2007. It's called the EISA, the
>>> Energy Independence and Security Act.
>>>
>>> It is possible to manufacture a 100-watt bulb that meets EISA, with a
>>> halogen bulb inside a normal incandescent glass envelope. It would be
>>> cheaper to manufacture this design in low-labor-cost countries such as
>>> China.
>>>
>>> Why does my local power company subsidize the purchase of LED bulbs?
>>> Seems backward, doesn't it? They are going to be selling me less
>>> electricity.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recently found out that I can buy incandescent 100 W bulbs off the
>>>> shelf
>>>> at
>>>> the convenience store 1 mile from my house! NO these aren't new old
>>>> stock
>>>> and
>>>> the store owner didn't stock up before the ban. They come in every week,
>>>> replenished
>>>> by the service merchandizer and on sale in plain view, not hidden in the
>>>> back room or
>>>> under the counter. The only thing is .... they are MADE IN CHINA....
>>>> Thousands of American
>>>> jobs lost but the bulbs that were supposedly causing the seas to rise are
>>>> still available.
>>>> SO, I think we now know the REAL reason why they were outlawed.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dick Day
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 4:08 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>>>>
>>>> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that the
>>>> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal. Actually, I believe it's
>>>> the
>>>> drivers that fail.
>>>>
>>>> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on in
>>>> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You folks know me: I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man
>>>>> that
>>>>> says everything new is terrible. In fact I don't even have to try all
>>>>> that
>>>>> hard. Adapting comes naturally.
>>>>>
>>>>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....
>>>>> I
>>>>> hate CFLs and LEDs. None of them last like they claim and the light
>>>>> quality stinks.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have my sympathy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
>>>>>
>>>>> General purpose LED bulbs are not dimmable without side effects, for
>>>>> enclosed housings or rough service. In fact one LED in a dimmable
>>>>> circuit
>>>>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages) transformer
>>>>> hum. It was the weirdest thing. Slide the dimmer down halfway and the
>>>>> UPS
>>>>> would make a racket. All the way up and it would be fine. Completely
>>>>> different circuits too. The bulb itself would dim fine without effect
>>>>> but
>>>>> my UPS hated it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp. It turned out that one portion
>>>>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about
>>>> half.
>>>>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine
>>>>> since
>>>>> then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some LED
>>>>>>> lights here and there. One being in the kitchen. Seemed good.
>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen. Just
>>>>>>> seemed like there was not enough light. I just screwed the CREE LED
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs. Holy Smokes!!!!
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can see again. I was getting worried about my eyes. Why has this
>>>>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down?? I think the govmnt stuck it to us
>>>>>>> again like the digital television signal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
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