[AT] OT LED question

Sat Nov 5 09:09:11 PDT 2016

Mike,  I just went and bought a box of those bulbs.
3 pack, 100 W, 2500 hour, 1600 lumen.  $1.99 in a
convenience store.  NOW,  it does say in very small
print at the bottom of the box, "heavy duty, rough service"
so that IS how they are getting around the law.

What doesn't change is the fact that they are NOT HALOGEN
and I’M NOT crazy or a liar.

The point remains the same.  These bulbs used to be made by
American workers in places like Goldsboro, NC and Winchester, VA.
In plants that are now shuttered because the EPA made some stupid
rule that allowed the manufacturers to ship the jobs off shore where
they can avoid environmental laws, minimum wage laws and YES Obama
Care.

I was asked, by Ken I think?, to take it easy on Steve.  I'll be glad to.  I 
like
Steve and in the past he has been helpful to me.  He is indeed an 
intelligent
man but WHAT I AM ASKING IS THAT Steve take it easy on me and stop nit 
picking
everything I post as if I am stupid and don't know what I'm talking about.

Steve if I'm wrong about  something I say I want to be corrected.  I just 
don't like your
condescending tone. I might not have reacted to this message if not for all 
the ones
before it over the past few years.  PLEASE consider the way you sound.

I know I’m a bit harsh and abrupt myself at times.  I don’t mean to be and 
probably
Steve doesn't mean to be either but this bump has been picked until it's a 
sore with
a scab on it.  I've had enough of it.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike M
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 6:50 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question

Charlie, are they by any chance what they refer to as a heavy duty or a
rough service bulb? I know they can still make those legally. I got so
tired of the florescent squiggly bulbs in our barn, try feeding horses
at 4 AM, when it's 0 degrees outside, all I would get is a faint glow.
Replaced all the bulbs with _300 watt_ incandescent bulbs, now I
actually see and work on my tan.

Regards,

Mike M

On 11/4/2016 6:22 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> There you go again Steve.  I TOLD YOU IT IS A 100 WATT INCANDESCENT BULB.
> Did I say anything about a halogen bulb inside a incandescent envelope?
> I know you think I'm stupid but give it a break man.  Do you have to argue
> with
> EVERYTHING anyone says to you??????????????????????????????
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 5:47 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>
> The act of Congress that imposed efficiency restrictions on lighting,
> effectively outlawing those old-school 100 watt incandescent bulbs, was
> signed into law by President Bush in 2007.  It's called the EISA, the
> Energy Independence and Security Act.
>
> It is possible to manufacture a 100-watt bulb that meets EISA, with a
> halogen bulb inside a normal incandescent glass envelope.  It would be
> cheaper to manufacture this design in low-labor-cost countries such as
> China.
>
> Why does my local power company  subsidize the purchase of LED bulbs?
> Seems backward, doesn't it?  They are going to be selling me less
> electricity.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I recently found out that I can buy incandescent 100 W bulbs off the 
>> shelf
>> at
>> the convenience store 1 mile from my house!  NO these aren't new old 
>> stock
>> and
>> the store owner didn't stock up before the ban.  They come in every week,
>> replenished
>> by the service merchandizer and on sale in plain view, not hidden in the
>> back room or
>> under the counter.  The only thing is .... they are MADE IN CHINA....
>> Thousands of American
>> jobs lost but the bulbs that were supposedly causing the seas to rise are
>> still available.
>> SO, I think we now know the REAL reason why they were outlawed.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dick Day
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 4:08 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT LED question
>>
>> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that the
>> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal.  Actually, I believe it's 
>> the
>> drivers that fail.
>>
>> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on in
>> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You folks know me:   I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man
>>> that
>>> says everything new is terrible.  In fact I don't even have to try all
>>> that
>>> hard.  Adapting comes naturally.
>>>
>>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....
>>> I
>>> hate CFLs and LEDs.   None of them last like they claim and the light
>>> quality stinks.
>>>
>>> You have my sympathy.
>>>
>>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
>>>
>>> General purpose LED bulbs are  not dimmable without side effects,  for
>>> enclosed housings or rough service.   In fact one LED in a dimmable
>>> circuit
>>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages) transformer
>>> hum. It was the weirdest thing.   Slide the dimmer down halfway and the
>>> UPS
>>> would make a racket.   All the way up and it would be fine.   Completely
>>> different circuits too.   The bulb itself would dim fine without effect
>>> but
>>> my UPS hated it.
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp.  It turned out that one portion
>>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about
>> half.
>>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine
>>> since
>>> then.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
>>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some LED
>>>>> lights here and there.  One being in the kitchen.  Seemed good.
>>>>> However,
>>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen.  Just
>>>>> seemed like there was not enough light.  I just screwed the CREE LED
>>>>> out
>>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs.  Holy Smokes!!!!
>>>>> I
>>>>> can see again.  I was getting worried about my eyes.  Why has this
>>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down??  I think the govmnt stuck it to us
>>>>> again like the digital television signal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
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