[AT] Help with Ingersoll compressor

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Wed May 18 19:24:54 PDT 2016 

I want to thank Bo Hinch for his help with my compressor.  Also I got a 
phone call from NCWayne on the YT forum this morning.  I got it running 
this afternoon and running like it is supposed to.
Short version of the story is the unloader actuator diaphragm was 
trashed.  When I finally got it apart, I searched for a truck air brake 
diaphragm to use.  Finally cut a diaphragm out of a piece of 10inch dia 
PVC discharge hose.  It works fine now...
It will blow 105lbs through a 5/8in nozzle and I have the engine speed 
reduced as I don't need the full throttle flow.  Now to rebuild or 
replace the gas engines on the 2 gas compressors I have and get rid of 
them...   Nothing like a diesel for dependability...

Cecil in OKla


On 5/16/2016 8:32 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
> Bo:
> Thanks for the call, I also enjoyed visiting..     I think I have found
> the problem.   The small pressure regulator is installed backwards.  The
> way it was connected it could not get pressure to move the diaphragm
> away from the valve.  The speed regulator shuts down the intake valve
> and the small pressure regulator is connected to the back side of the
> diaphragm so that it pushes the intake valve off the seat when the
> pressure drops.   I determined there was something wrong after we talked
> and I looked at the diaphragm body again.    I believe the Oxygen
> regulator will work just fine.  The flow diagram in the book supports my
> theory.   I think that the original pressure regulator was a special one
> in that it had 2 or more inlets.  It was replaced with one that had 3
> outlets and the installer just connected the lines to the easiest
> outlets.   With a tee and a couple of nipples, it should be working
> fine.     I think I am going to replace that copper tubing with some
> plastic DOT air lines so I don't have to worry about cross threading
> those stiff lines and connections..
>
> Thanks again.   The level of experience and vast knowledge of this group
> is really amazing!!!  I hope I can return the favor...
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 5/16/2016 6:56 PM, Bo Hinch wrote:
>> Received message awhile ago and have had SOo much company that I couldn't
>> respond , but just did a minute or so ago . Hope that helps and if not ,
>> let me know and will do what I can for you .
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bo:
>>> I sent you a PM offline...
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>>> On 5/16/2016 11:32 AM, Bo Hinch wrote:
>>>>>>> What kind of info do you need .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Ken Knierim <ken.knierim at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cecil,
>>>>>>>>          As a manufacturer who designs, builds and supports complex
>>>>>> equipment,
>>>>>>>> putting together a manual most people will throw away isn't always a
>>>>>> paying
>>>>>>>> use of resources either... and the lack of manual-reading is directly
>>>>>>>> related to people thinking they know everything (on target with your
>>>>>>>> comments about parts-changers coming out of school). A lot of people
>>> are
>>>>>>>> crashing through their lives so fast they don't take the time needed
>>> to
>>>>>>>> learn to do the job right. Why read a map or manual when google knows
>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>> Or they'll call in for support after the warranty period has expired,
>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> answers without wanting to pay for them, and won't crack the manual.
>>>>>>>>          We're working a different strategy on some of our newer
>>> stuff...
>>>>>> we're
>>>>>>>> putting some of the PDF's on our website to let the webcrawlers pick
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> up so folks CAN find and get access to the manuals when they finally
>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>>> they need them. I wouldn't really expect a company that's been bought
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> sold to have a lot of older manuals online but I've had good luck
>>>>>> finding
>>>>>>>> home-scanned versions by looking for the product name and putting
>>> manual
>>>>>>>> and a .pdf in the search criterion. Not sure it'll help, but might be
>>>>>> worth
>>>>>>>> a shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken in AZ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need some help with the Gyro Flo Vane compressor I bought last
>>> week
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> sandblast and clean out my old baler.  I thought one of you guys had
>>>>>>>>> some experience with these..  The pressure is too high and it is
>>> bowing
>>>>>>>>> the relief valve.  It runs as high as 185-190 psi. Ingersoll Gyro
>>> Flo
>>>>>>>>> was bought by Doosan in NC in 2007..    A lot of information is just
>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>> existent and none of the "experts online" can give any real help.
>>>>>>      Most
>>>>>>>>> of these online "experts just say that the unit is not worth
>>> repairing
>>>>>>>>> and to buy a new one.    I could not even afford a 10 year old one
>>> with
>>>>>>>>> 1/2 the output of this one!!!    There is just no diagnosis ability
>>>>>>>>> anymore.   The mechanics that are coming out of the trade schools
>>> have
>>>>>>>>> no idea how to repair anything.  They just change parts.   The
>>>>>>>>> manufacturers don't give out service literature anymore, they get a
>>>>>>>>> fortune for it, so ther is not a lot floating around out there.  I
>>>>>> blame
>>>>>>>>> a lot of this B.S. on plain old GREED, and the other on not having
>>> high
>>>>>>>>> school shop classes anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On another note, we now have to pay for all those "smart"
>>> innovations
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the new cars and trucks due to the new drivers not paying attention
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> their driving, their smartphone needs to be looked at 59 minutes an
>>>>>>>>> hour.  Maybe just maybe if we put Drivers education back in the high
>>>>>>>>> schools, the new drivers would have some idea how to safely drive...
>>>>>>>>> If someone was not paying attention back when we were driving in
>>> H.S.
>>>>>>>>> the "coach" would stomp on the brake ( in a safe area) and your nose
>>>>>>>>> would hit the steering wheel!!  He then would tell the driver and
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> rest of the passengers what would have happened if the driver had
>>>>>>>>> continued...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now they drive like they are playing a video game....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rant off...   I am just so frustrated with trying to get an
>>> operating
>>>>>>>>> compressor so I can go back to work.   The Sullair and the Leroi
>>> both
>>>>>>>>> need that blasted Ford 140 OHC engine overhauled.
>>>>>>>>> My problem now is I don't have budget, help, time, and physical
>>> ability
>>>>>>>>> to get things done now...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cecil in OKla
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