[AT] Continuing "What to do"

Wed Jan 13 04:58:18 PST 2016

There is a shop near Frederick MD that does nothing but fix, rebuild and 
remanufacture
7.3 diesels for folks that love them but have finally worn them out.  I used 
to talk to the
guy on another web blog but I've lost track of him.  Dean I think you are 
right that the
design of that engine would not allow it to be EPA compliant without drastic 
changes.

Charlie

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From: Dean VP
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:25 AM
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
Subject: Re: [AT] Continuing "What to do"

Cecil,

I'm not quite sure that is really true. I was told Ford And International 
couldn't meet the new
emission standards with the 7.3L.  Never know what to really believe.

Dean VP
Apache Junction, AZ

It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:16 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Continuing "What to do"

That was the reason they quit the 7.3L They were so good they couldn't
sell replacements.  I have two 95 models.  One with 215000, and the
other with 85000 miles...

Cecil in OKla

On 1/12/2016 6:20 PM, Dean VP wrote:
> The Ford 6.0 was a complete disaster Diesel engine for Ford. The 6.4L 
> wasn't much better, The
current
> 6.7L seems to have developed a decent reputation.  The earlier (before 
> 6.0L and 6,4L) 7.3L diesel
> engine had a bullet proof reputation. Maybe the 6.7L will achieve the same 
> honor. I am really
> surprised that there hasn't been a class action suit over the 6.0L 
> disaster.  I have a friend in
> Lompoc, CA who went through three (3) Ford 6.0L Diesel trucks  and finally 
> gave up and bought a
> Chevrolet.  I've got over 170,000 miles on my 7.3L and it is going strong. 
> Just about broken in.
>
> Dean VP
> Apache Junction, AZ
>
> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
> Mike M
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:39 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Continuing "What to do"
>
> It's a problem for a lot of new diesel owners as well, some are running
> into nightmares with the new tier IV emissions.  They made them so
> clean, they broke them.  Our farrier had and old 1990's Dodge pickup
> with the Cummins diesel. He puts on about 50,000 per year, so fuel
> mileage makes a big difference in his bottom line.  He was able to get
> around 17-19 mpg pulling a trailer full of equipment. He finally got rid
> of it after the Dodge fell apart around the Cummins, with about 475,000
> miles. He then cycled through a couple more trucks, then ended up with a
> Ford Powerstroke 6.0. He dropped money on that truck like their was no
> tomorrow, first one thing then another, literally thousands of dollars.
> On top of that he only was able to get 9-10 mpg fully loaded. It would
> have been cheaper for him to buy a gasser, and avoid all the problems.
>
> On 1/12/2016 3:54 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Dennis, that is what happened to the Deutz air cooled diesel and the 7.3
>> Navistar diesel.
>> Neither could meet EPA regs.  Same thing killed the Detroit two stroke
>> diesels.  Even engines
>> for motor yachts built abroad now have to meet EPA regs before they can 
>> be
>> brought to and registered
>> in the US.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:38 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Continuing "What to do"
>>
>> Cecil,
>>
>> I used to get the Minsk several times a year. Always wanted to tour the
>> Belarus factory but never got the chance to do it. Drove by it dozens of
>> times.
>> My gut feel is when the EPA added emissions requirements for tractors and
>> industrial engines, the Belarus management resisted complying and ended 
>> up
>> giving the US business to Mahindra and others. In Russia and Belarus the
>> factories used to tell consumers what they needed to buy, and asking
>> consumers what they wanted was unheard of. I think they may have looked 
>> at
>> the EPA requirements like a customer request and filled it in the little
>> round basket next to the desk.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Cecil R Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dennis:
>>> I have an 8345 Belarus 4 x 4 w/cab that I use for feeding and most any
>>> utility tractor need.  I do not have ballast in the rear wheels, but I
>>> always put a round bale on the rear bale prong whenever I need the extra
>>> weight or handling bales.  I put 2 bales on the front end with the 4
>>> prong front fork.  When I need the extra traction, I engage the 4wd.
>>> Most of the time I only need 2wd even in the mud around the feeders.
>>> The front tires are 9.00 x 20 tractor tread.
>>>
>>> However, my TS110 New Holland is 2wd and has a front loader.  Both
>>> Koyker loaders.  If I put a bale on the rear prong and try to move hay
>>> in a muddy area, with only one bale on the front, the TS110 is stuck.
>>> The larger front tires give you a great advantage in mud.   The TS110
>>> also has  oversize tires on the front.   Those small front wheels are
>>> what sticks a tractor in the mud.  I have a friend with one of those
>>> NewHolland 4wd tractors that has the front and rear tires the same.  He
>>> hardly ever uses the 4wd to work through mud.
>>>
>>> I cannot say enough good about the 2 Belarus tractors I have.  If I did
>>> not have them I would surely be in deep muck trying to handle hay in
>>> this mud...
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>> On 1/11/2016 8:52 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>> Today I got a reminder why older 2x4 tractors with FEL are not always 
>>>> the
>>>> best. I needed to go to Oklahoma for several things. One was to put the
>>>> hydraulic system back together on my loader after having fittings and 
>>>> new
>>>> hoses welded to the tubes that were welded to a distribution block. Got
>>>> that installed, and now loader works fine.
>>>>
>>>> I thought that I would try and use the loader a little bit. First task
>>>> was getting it stuck when trying to push over a dead tree. Used loader 
>>>> to
>>>> pick up front tires and put some tree limbs under the front tire, and 
>>>> was
>>>> able to back out. Second task worked fine, lifting and moving limbs 
>>>> from
>>>> neighbors tree that fell on my drive (see above) - worked well. Third
>>>> task was to try and move a tree I took down few months ago - result was
>>>> get stuck again. Loader picked up front end, put something under both
>>>> wheels, and was able top back out again. Parked tractor for a drier day
>>>> and went on to other tasks.
>>>>
>>>> The turning radius on the IH2504 is similar to the Massy Ferguson 35
>>>> series. It turns and maneuvers well on solid ground. The loader sticks
>>>> out a little, guessing 3 foot from front of front tires to the front of
>>>> the loader. The real issue is there is just a lot of weight on the 
>>>> front
>>>> tires. I could add some ballast the the rear a few feet behind the rear
>>>> tires, but that would limit using the 32 point, and the manual does not
>>>> recommend adding ballast on the 3 point assembly.
>>>>
>>>> To get more usability on soft wet ground I need a 4 x 4 of some kind.
>>>> Getting a 4 x 4 with front loader would cost 2 to 4 times what I paid 
>>>> for
>>>> this IH2504. With my budget constraints, that cost of machine is not in
>>>> the picture now, so I need to accept not using the tractor/loader when
>>>> soil is wet and soft. Neighbor top the South has a Chinese 4 x 4 
>>>> tractor
>>>> with FEL. It works well, but he has had several maintenance issues -
>>>> hydraulics and front axle bearing problems. Other neighbor has a small 
>>>> 4
>>>> x 4 Kubota, which works great. Both of these are significantly smaller
>>>> than my tractor, but are great for small utility chores.
>>>>
>>>> Point is that if you need something usable in rough conditions, you 
>>>> need
>>>> a 4 x 4 which requires more $$$. If you can wait for dry/solid ground,
>>>> you can get something with a lot less $$$.
>>>>
>>>> Something that might work for moving manure, etc would be a dirt scope 
>>>> on
>>>> the back of your 3 point. You might need to make a special one with a
>>>> wider bucket, but that would be a possibility of you do not need to 
>>>> lift
>>>> it very high. I am sure it would not be a nice as a FEL, but cost is
>>>> significantly less.
>>>>
>>>> I also have a loader for my 1938 F20 - it is a cable system that used 2
>>>> cylinders to move cables to lift it. Both the F20 and the loader need a
>>>> lot of TLC to get them running and usable. Not sure I would recommend
>>>> that unless you just like to play with old iron.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:40 PM, ATIS <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the two part message, but that send button is entirely too
>>>>> close to the text box :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways the quandary I am in is do I sell my Ford 861 and get a more
>>>>> modern tractor with a  FEL in upper 30s or low 40s HP (my minimum
>>>>> requirement)?  Or keep the 861D and go with a smaller tractor just for
>>>>> its front loader?   The price differential between a little 22 hp
>>>>> tractor with a FEL and 40 hp tractor, all other things being equal in
>>>>> terms of wear, years, etc is not that great. I really feel like it 
>>>>> would
>>>>> be foolish to own two tractors when the little one cost 10K or more 
>>>>> But
>>>>> then again the extra money for that larger single replacement tractor 
>>>>> is
>>>>> extra money. And it doesn't grow on trees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else been in this circumstance? What did you do to resolve
>>>>> it?. Would you do it the same way again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer Yost
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