[AT] Tractors and other stuff...

Mon Dec 12 16:46:32 PST 2016

Cecil,  a lot of things have changed in our lives but the art of horse 
trading
apparently is still very much an art form possessed by only a few!  And I'm 
not
one of the few!  I know a wee bit about horses from being around friends who 
own
them but not near enough to try and buy or sell them.  Not even close.   All 
I know is
that even if you own land and have good pasture a horse is at a minimum 
about a
$200.00 a month habit and if you have to board them and feed them bought hay 
and feed
and pay vet and farrier  bills it can be a LOT more than that.

I like horses you start with a key.  You only have to feed them when you 
ride them.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil Bearden
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 5:07 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...

Amen to that Charlie!

Cecil

On 12/11/2016 3:47 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Cecil, from what I can tell from my horsey friends,
> Horses are always expensive when you buy them and impossible
> to sell when you need to sell them.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Bearden
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:52 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>
> Sounds like the horse market here.  When the oil patch was going great,
> horses were $1000 & up for anything standing upright. Now, you cannot
> give them away.  I have 2 that I have to feed just because my wife is
> afraid no one else would take care of them the way we do, and does not
> want them split up.  Mare & colt that have been together over 6 years...
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 12/10/2016 9:24 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> I have a very rare Pepsi Cola bottle only produced in New Bern, NC for 1
>> year
>> about 1911 if I remember right.  A decade ago I could have sold it for
>> around $2000.00
>> I recently found one like it on Ebay.  It wasn't in near as good shape as
>> mine but
>> it was for sale for $500.00.    So it's not just the antique tractor 
>> world
>> that is in a funk.
>> Also, collector cars are down except for some really high end stuff.
>> Hopefully we are
>> about to see things turn around.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Williams
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 9:11 PM
>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>
>> We get so used to values rising for so many years, it surprises us if 
>> they
>> drop.  I saw that on an episode of "American Pickers", where someone had
>> some toy or something and was explaining how much it had been worth 10
>> years
>> ago, and was worth a lot less now.  When you spend 30 or more years
>> watching
>> values go only one way, seeing the market soften can be a shock - so much
>> that some won't believe it.  I'm sure there are a lot of old tractors
>> sitting unsold for months and years because sellers aren't interested in
>> dropping the price until it sells.  Just waiting for someone to finally
>> pay
>> "what it's worth."
>>
>> Still, I'm sure there are places where localized interest makes values 
>> far
>> higher than the larger market.  Spotting those is always tricky, and can
>> even be a way to make money...
>>
>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:37 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>
>> I'll take your word for it! Around here anything green goes for more
>> money--whether its newer or older. It's largely due to marketing. You may
>> be
>> right about no market due to aging collectors. I have a feeling that a 
>> lot
>> of us are going to wind up with tractors worth a lot less than what they
>> were back in the 90's.
>>
>> I just listed dad's thresher for sale and have had no interest.  If it
>> doesn't sell I may tow it to the scrapyard come springtime--horrible 
>> thing
>> to do to a running machine but when there are no buyers there is no
>> alternative. Can't find any antique clubs interested in it. The last few
>> years our antique club existed, practically no one would watch us thresh,
>> folks just were not interested.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2016 11:08 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I don' know about your area but the market for antique tractors is
>>> quite soft where I get exposed to it.  The 39 and 40 B's are probably
>>> the least desired JD letter Series tractors for reasons that may be
>>> phony but they exist.  The 39 and 40 hand start B wasn't a huge change
>>> from the late unstyled JD B's and some call then an unstyled B with
>>> styled tin.  Only a 3 speed transmission and high gear isn't high
>>> enough to take on a tractor ride. However, I own two 1940 B's but they
>>> are
>> a bit unique in that they
>>> both have Electric Lights and Electric Starting.   They are little more
>>> desired as collector tractors because JD only manufactured them with
>>> those options in the Model year 1940. 1939 and 1940 Hand Start B's
>>> could be retrofitted to have those features after purchase. However,
>>> JD did not record in their manufacturing records how many were built
>>> in that configuration. It is estimated only approximately 5%  of the
>>> 1939 and 1940 B have Eclectic Lights and/or Electric Starting.  Those
>>> configured like that have a little higher market value than the Hand
>>> Start
>> versions.
>>> In the case of Spencer's B,  a significant part of the marker value is
>>> heavily influenced by the relatively new tires. With tires needing
>>> replacement, its market value would be even lower.  New tires have
>>> become a very significant portion of a tractor's value.  Market value
>>> varies quite a bit around the US with the Eastern US typically being
>>> the highest.  When agricultural commodity prices were almost double
>>> what they are now, the Midwest farm wealth was heavily influencing
>>> antique tractor values. Now with the commodities at half the price
>>> there isn't as much disposable income being thrown at antique tractors
>>> and
>> associated equipment.  Even the Toy
>>> market is soft compared to a few years ago.   Even the so called rare.
>>> Limited production and/or limited configurations have taken a hit but
>>> not as much as the "Plain Jane" tractors.
>>>
>>> Then there is another major influence and that is those born and
>>> raised in the 1930's - 1950's era are starting to die off. Without as
>>> many follow on collectors to replace them. The New generation
>>> tractors, 1961 on have become a major portion of the current collectors
>> interest.
>>> Dean VP
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:16 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't know you could buy anything GREEN and running for that cheap!
>>> Maybe markets are softening? I never see them on CL so I can't offer
>>> any trends from there. There have been a couple Farmall H's that look
>>> in similar condition for around $1,200-1,600 that have been for sale
>>> for a while now on CL. Maybe this is one of those times its not JUST
>>> about the money, how about getting him to make you an offer--if its
>>> way more than you really need you can always counter with a lower
>>> offer--you'd both feel good about the deal then!
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2016 9:09 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>> Thanks Dean, I was thinking $1500 myself. Maybe I'm a little high? I
>>> thought a few pictures would be nice too, so here they are.  The folks
>>> that go to Portland have seen it a few times:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest $1000 to $1,500.  The 39 models are not the most
>>>>> desired collector letter Series tractors and fully restored might
>>>>> Bring up to $2500
>>>>>
>>>>> Dean VP
>>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
>>>>> Yost
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> Subject: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an older neighbor, who is really nice guy and loves old
>>>>> tractors. He is on several of his life, and loves to help me bale
>>>>> hay. In fact the last few cuttings I have not even been able to
>>>>> operate my own equipment. I just pick up a bales - he operates them
>>>>> for me :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> He wants to buy my John Deere B. Since he is older and in poor
>>>>> health I want to sell this to him.  I know he would really
>>>>> appreciate it, love it, and take care of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a 1939  in  original, unmolested condition with flat spoke
>>>>> wheels, a leaking radiator and good tires. Other than that there's
>>>>> nothing special (or
>>>>> bad) about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don't want to take a bath on it, I want to give him a very,
>>>>> very good price. What would you folks recommend?
>>>>>
>>>>> PS:   There is a list member with experience with the Dodge Ram
>>> eco-diesel.
>>>>> If that person could reply to me, off list if necessary, I have a few
>>>>> questions.   Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>>
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