[AT] Tractors and other stuff...

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Mon Dec 12 16:39:19 PST 2016


Yep but they are back strong around here.  There are horse boarding and
riding outfits all over this county and horses on small plots at peoples 
homes.
I've never seen anything to beat it.  I think there are more horses here now 
for
pleasure than there were plow horses and mules back before the tractors put 
them
out of business.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: John Hall
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:29 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...

When the recession hit, I routinely saw them for free or just a few
hundred bucks--especially older ones.

John Hall

On 12/11/2016 4:47 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Cecil, from what I can tell from my horsey friends,
> Horses are always expensive when you buy them and impossible
> to sell when you need to sell them.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Bearden
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:52 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>
> Sounds like the horse market here.  When the oil patch was going great,
> horses were $1000 & up for anything standing upright. Now, you cannot
> give them away.  I have 2 that I have to feed just because my wife is
> afraid no one else would take care of them the way we do, and does not
> want them split up.  Mare & colt that have been together over 6 years...
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 12/10/2016 9:24 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> I have a very rare Pepsi Cola bottle only produced in New Bern, NC for 1
>> year
>> about 1911 if I remember right.  A decade ago I could have sold it for
>> around $2000.00
>> I recently found one like it on Ebay.  It wasn't in near as good shape as
>> mine but
>> it was for sale for $500.00.    So it's not just the antique tractor 
>> world
>> that is in a funk.
>> Also, collector cars are down except for some really high end stuff.
>> Hopefully we are
>> about to see things turn around.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Williams
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 9:11 PM
>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>
>> We get so used to values rising for so many years, it surprises us if 
>> they
>> drop.  I saw that on an episode of "American Pickers", where someone had
>> some toy or something and was explaining how much it had been worth 10
>> years
>> ago, and was worth a lot less now.  When you spend 30 or more years
>> watching
>> values go only one way, seeing the market soften can be a shock - so much
>> that some won't believe it.  I'm sure there are a lot of old tractors
>> sitting unsold for months and years because sellers aren't interested in
>> dropping the price until it sells.  Just waiting for someone to finally
>> pay
>> "what it's worth."
>>
>> Still, I'm sure there are places where localized interest makes values 
>> far
>> higher than the larger market.  Spotting those is always tricky, and can
>> even be a way to make money...
>>
>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:37 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>
>> I'll take your word for it! Around here anything green goes for more
>> money--whether its newer or older. It's largely due to marketing. You may
>> be
>> right about no market due to aging collectors. I have a feeling that a 
>> lot
>> of us are going to wind up with tractors worth a lot less than what they
>> were back in the 90's.
>>
>> I just listed dad's thresher for sale and have had no interest.  If it
>> doesn't sell I may tow it to the scrapyard come springtime--horrible 
>> thing
>> to do to a running machine but when there are no buyers there is no
>> alternative. Can't find any antique clubs interested in it. The last few
>> years our antique club existed, practically no one would watch us thresh,
>> folks just were not interested.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2016 11:08 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I don' know about your area but the market for antique tractors is
>>> quite soft where I get exposed to it.  The 39 and 40 B's are probably
>>> the least desired JD letter Series tractors for reasons that may be
>>> phony but they exist.  The 39 and 40 hand start B wasn't a huge change
>>> from the late unstyled JD B's and some call then an unstyled B with
>>> styled tin.  Only a 3 speed transmission and high gear isn't high
>>> enough to take on a tractor ride. However, I own two 1940 B's but they
>>> are
>> a bit unique in that they
>>> both have Electric Lights and Electric Starting.   They are little more
>>> desired as collector tractors because JD only manufactured them with
>>> those options in the Model year 1940. 1939 and 1940 Hand Start B's
>>> could be retrofitted to have those features after purchase. However,
>>> JD did not record in their manufacturing records how many were built
>>> in that configuration. It is estimated only approximately 5%  of the
>>> 1939 and 1940 B have Eclectic Lights and/or Electric Starting.  Those
>>> configured like that have a little higher market value than the Hand
>>> Start
>> versions.
>>> In the case of Spencer's B,  a significant part of the marker value is
>>> heavily influenced by the relatively new tires. With tires needing
>>> replacement, its market value would be even lower.  New tires have
>>> become a very significant portion of a tractor's value.  Market value
>>> varies quite a bit around the US with the Eastern US typically being
>>> the highest.  When agricultural commodity prices were almost double
>>> what they are now, the Midwest farm wealth was heavily influencing
>>> antique tractor values. Now with the commodities at half the price
>>> there isn't as much disposable income being thrown at antique tractors
>>> and
>> associated equipment.  Even the Toy
>>> market is soft compared to a few years ago.   Even the so called rare.
>>> Limited production and/or limited configurations have taken a hit but
>>> not as much as the "Plain Jane" tractors.
>>>
>>> Then there is another major influence and that is those born and
>>> raised in the 1930's - 1950's era are starting to die off. Without as
>>> many follow on collectors to replace them. The New generation
>>> tractors, 1961 on have become a major portion of the current collectors
>> interest.
>>> Dean VP
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:16 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't know you could buy anything GREEN and running for that cheap!
>>> Maybe markets are softening? I never see them on CL so I can't offer
>>> any trends from there. There have been a couple Farmall H's that look
>>> in similar condition for around $1,200-1,600 that have been for sale
>>> for a while now on CL. Maybe this is one of those times its not JUST
>>> about the money, how about getting him to make you an offer--if its
>>> way more than you really need you can always counter with a lower
>>> offer--you'd both feel good about the deal then!
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2016 9:09 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>> Thanks Dean, I was thinking $1500 myself. Maybe I'm a little high? I
>>> thought a few pictures would be nice too, so here they are.  The folks
>>> that go to Portland have seen it a few times:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest $1000 to $1,500.  The 39 models are not the most
>>>>> desired collector letter Series tractors and fully restored might
>>>>> Bring up to $2500
>>>>>
>>>>> Dean VP
>>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
>>>>> Yost
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> Subject: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an older neighbor, who is really nice guy and loves old
>>>>> tractors. He is on several of his life, and loves to help me bale
>>>>> hay. In fact the last few cuttings I have not even been able to
>>>>> operate my own equipment. I just pick up a bales - he operates them
>>>>> for me :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> He wants to buy my John Deere B. Since he is older and in poor
>>>>> health I want to sell this to him.  I know he would really
>>>>> appreciate it, love it, and take care of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a 1939  in  original, unmolested condition with flat spoke
>>>>> wheels, a leaking radiator and good tires. Other than that there's
>>>>> nothing special (or
>>>>> bad) about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don't want to take a bath on it, I want to give him a very,
>>>>> very good price. What would you folks recommend?
>>>>>
>>>>> PS:   There is a list member with experience with the Dodge Ram
>>> eco-diesel.
>>>>> If that person could reply to me, off list if necessary, I have a few
>>>>> questions.   Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>>
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