[AT] Tractors and other stuff...

Sun Dec 11 13:47:51 PST 2016

Cecil, from what I can tell from my horsey friends,
Horses are always expensive when you buy them and impossible
to sell when you need to sell them.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil Bearden
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:52 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...

Sounds like the horse market here.  When the oil patch was going great,
horses were $1000 & up for anything standing upright. Now, you cannot
give them away.  I have 2 that I have to feed just because my wife is
afraid no one else would take care of them the way we do, and does not
want them split up.  Mare & colt that have been together over 6 years...

Cecil in OKla

On 12/10/2016 9:24 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> I have a very rare Pepsi Cola bottle only produced in New Bern, NC for 1
> year
> about 1911 if I remember right.  A decade ago I could have sold it for
> around $2000.00
> I recently found one like it on Ebay.  It wasn't in near as good shape as
> mine but
> it was for sale for $500.00.    So it's not just the antique tractor world
> that is in a funk.
> Also, collector cars are down except for some really high end stuff.
> Hopefully we are
> about to see things turn around.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Williams
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 9:11 PM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>
> We get so used to values rising for so many years, it surprises us if they
> drop.  I saw that on an episode of "American Pickers", where someone had
> some toy or something and was explaining how much it had been worth 10 
> years
> ago, and was worth a lot less now.  When you spend 30 or more years 
> watching
> values go only one way, seeing the market soften can be a shock - so much
> that some won't believe it.  I'm sure there are a lot of old tractors
> sitting unsold for months and years because sellers aren't interested in
> dropping the price until it sells.  Just waiting for someone to finally 
> pay
> "what it's worth."
>
> Still, I'm sure there are places where localized interest makes values far
> higher than the larger market.  Spotting those is always tricky, and can
> even be a way to make money...
>
> Scott in Penfield NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:37 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>
> I'll take your word for it! Around here anything green goes for more
> money--whether its newer or older. It's largely due to marketing. You may 
> be
> right about no market due to aging collectors. I have a feeling that a lot
> of us are going to wind up with tractors worth a lot less than what they
> were back in the 90's.
>
> I just listed dad's thresher for sale and have had no interest.  If it
> doesn't sell I may tow it to the scrapyard come springtime--horrible thing
> to do to a running machine but when there are no buyers there is no
> alternative. Can't find any antique clubs interested in it. The last few
> years our antique club existed, practically no one would watch us thresh,
> folks just were not interested.
>
> John Hall
>
>
> On 12/8/2016 11:08 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> I don' know about your area but the market for antique tractors is
>> quite soft where I get exposed to it.  The 39 and 40 B's are probably
>> the least desired JD letter Series tractors for reasons that may be
>> phony but they exist.  The 39 and 40 hand start B wasn't a huge change
>> from the late unstyled JD B's and some call then an unstyled B with
>> styled tin.  Only a 3 speed transmission and high gear isn't high
>> enough to take on a tractor ride. However, I own two 1940 B's but they 
>> are
> a bit unique in that they
>> both have Electric Lights and Electric Starting.   They are little more
>> desired as collector tractors because JD only manufactured them with
>> those options in the Model year 1940. 1939 and 1940 Hand Start B's
>> could be retrofitted to have those features after purchase. However,
>> JD did not record in their manufacturing records how many were built
>> in that configuration. It is estimated only approximately 5%  of the
>> 1939 and 1940 B have Eclectic Lights and/or Electric Starting.  Those
>> configured like that have a little higher market value than the Hand 
>> Start
> versions.
>> In the case of Spencer's B,  a significant part of the marker value is
>> heavily influenced by the relatively new tires. With tires needing
>> replacement, its market value would be even lower.  New tires have
>> become a very significant portion of a tractor's value.  Market value
>> varies quite a bit around the US with the Eastern US typically being
>> the highest.  When agricultural commodity prices were almost double
>> what they are now, the Midwest farm wealth was heavily influencing
>> antique tractor values. Now with the commodities at half the price
>> there isn't as much disposable income being thrown at antique tractors 
>> and
> associated equipment.  Even the Toy
>> market is soft compared to a few years ago.   Even the so called rare.
>> Limited production and/or limited configurations have taken a hit but
>> not as much as the "Plain Jane" tractors.
>>
>> Then there is another major influence and that is those born and
>> raised in the 1930's - 1950's era are starting to die off. Without as
>> many follow on collectors to replace them. The New generation
>> tractors, 1961 on have become a major portion of the current collectors
> interest.
>> Dean VP
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:16 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>
>>
>> I didn't know you could buy anything GREEN and running for that cheap!
>> Maybe markets are softening? I never see them on CL so I can't offer
>> any trends from there. There have been a couple Farmall H's that look
>> in similar condition for around $1,200-1,600 that have been for sale
>> for a while now on CL. Maybe this is one of those times its not JUST
>> about the money, how about getting him to make you an offer--if its
>> way more than you really need you can always counter with a lower
>> offer--you'd both feel good about the deal then!
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/2016 9:09 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>> Thanks Dean, I was thinking $1500 myself. Maybe I'm a little high? I
>> thought a few pictures would be nice too, so here they are.  The folks
>> that go to Portland have seen it a few times:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest $1000 to $1,500.  The 39 models are not the most
>>>> desired collector letter Series tractors and fully restored might
>>>> Bring up to $2500
>>>>
>>>> Dean VP
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
>>>> Yost
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> Subject: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>>
>>>> I have an older neighbor, who is really nice guy and loves old
>>>> tractors. He is on several of his life, and loves to help me bale
>>>> hay. In fact the last few cuttings I have not even been able to
>>>> operate my own equipment. I just pick up a bales - he operates them
>>>> for me :-)
>>>>
>>>> He wants to buy my John Deere B. Since he is older and in poor
>>>> health I want to sell this to him.  I know he would really
>>>> appreciate it, love it, and take care of it.
>>>>
>>>> It's a 1939  in  original, unmolested condition with flat spoke
>>>> wheels, a leaking radiator and good tires. Other than that there's
>>>> nothing special (or
>>>> bad) about it.
>>>>
>>>> While I don't want to take a bath on it, I want to give him a very,
>>>> very good price. What would you folks recommend?
>>>>
>>>> PS:   There is a list member with experience with the Dodge Ram
>> eco-diesel.
>>>> If that person could reply to me, off list if necessary, I have a few
>>>> questions.   Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
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