[AT] Modern Gasoline

Tue Aug 23 07:06:04 PDT 2016

My only comment on that is to raise the possibility that multiple separate
Chinese factories might be building Honda clones, and only one of them (per
your info) is using Honda tooling and quality control.

SO

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Henry Miller <hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:

> As I understand, the Chinese had a contract to make Honda small engines
> for a few years. The contract didn't require them to give any of the
> molds back after the contract was up. The Chinese just had to change the
> name. In short these are Honda engines, probably with Honda designed
> quality control, but made by someone else.
>
> The patents on the Honda engine are long expired. All Honda has is a
> name and quality control. The Chinese seemed to be learning quality
> control, and they had a leg up because Honda didn't give the contract
> without first ensuring good quality control that they just need to
> continue.
>
> --
>   Henry Miller
>   hank at millerfarm.com
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016, at 07:47 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> > That's interesting Cecil and it sort of suggests that the Chinese managed
> > to knock off whatever is good about the Honda that makes it tolerate old
> > gas.
> >
> > SO
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, cecil bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have one on a sprayer and it set for over a year and had the worst
> > > smelling gas in it.  I had to pull on it about 4 times before it
> started
> > > and ran fine.   I sprayed with it a week ago and had no problems.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/23/2016 6:50 AM, Mogrits wrote:
> > > > Stephen, I have no idea, as I haven't left gas in one that long, but
> if
> > > > someone would mate the old Briggs and Stratton venturi carb (no bowl
> and
> > > > float) to the Honda OHV design with electronic ignition, they would
> have
> > > > the ideal small engine.
> > > >
> > > > Warren
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Offiler <
> soffiler at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Do those Chonda engines run on 18-month old gas like the real thing?
> > > >>
> > > >> SO
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Charlie, that should indeed work as a replacement for him. I put
> one of
> > > >>> those on a Murray 20" push mower body to create what I call
> > > >> "Frankenmower".
> > > >>> Starts just like a Honda, and cuts through most anything without
> > > >> complaint,
> > > >>> including "monkey grass" or lariope. Some people have adaptor
> issues
> > > >> mating
> > > >>> them up, but the review section of the Harbor Freight page gives
> > > >> solutions
> > > >>> to almost all of those.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Around here we call them "Chondas", as they appear to be
> knock-offs of
> > > >> the
> > > >>> Honda OHV design.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Warren
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, charlie hill <
> > > >> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Dick wouldn't this work as a replacement for the 5.5 vertical
> > > >>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/55-hp-173cc-ohv-vertical-
> > > >>>> shaft-gas-engine-carb-69731.html
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Charlie
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Dick Day
> > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:20 PM
> > > >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Modern Gasoline
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Several years ago, I converted our 15-year old Generac generator
> to
> > > LP.
> > > >>> It
> > > >>>> always did start easy (electric start) but with LP I can connect
> it to
> > > >>> our
> > > >>>> 500gallon LP tank if we ever got stranded by a blizzard.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> My other gas implements (push mower, 2 garden tractors, power
> washer,
> > > >>>> tiller) don't always start as easy even though I would let the
> gas run
> > > >>> out
> > > >>>> in the fall.    My plan was to convert every gas engine we had.
> I've
> > > >>> also
> > > >>>> got a Troy Built sickle mower. That was next on my list to convert
> > > >> until
> > > >>> I
> > > >>>> discovered that there are no engines I can buy to replace the
> vertical
> > > >>>> 5.5hp Briggs that's on there.  I don't think that converting it
> to LP
> > > >>> would
> > > >>>> necessarily hurt the engine but decided not to take a chance and
> never
> > > >>> got
> > > >>>> around to the other engines. I retire next spring. Once that
> happens,
> > > >>> I'll
> > > >>>> get back on my LP conversion project.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Stephen Offiler <
> soffiler at gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I just pulled out my power washer and realized it has not been
> run
> > > >>> since
> > > >>>>> March 2015.  Half a tank of fuel still sloshing around.  On the
> > > >>> upside, I
> > > >>>>> am always careful to turn off the gas and run the carb dry.  I am
> > > >> also
> > > >>>>> careful to add Sta-Bil as soon as I purchase gas.  We have
> ethanol in
> > > >>> our
> > > >>>>> gas around here like in most places in the USA.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It started on the first pull.  Literally.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Engine is a 9HP Honda GX270 (I think).  I suppose there might be
> > > >>>> qualities
> > > >>>>> of the engine (strong spark, strong fuel vaporization in the
> carb,
> > > >>>>> whatever...) that help it run on crappy old gas.  Or something.
> I'm
> > > >>>> still
> > > >>>>> shaking my head in amazement.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> SO
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