[AT] off topic , really confused

David Rotigel rotigel at me.com
Sun Aug 14 14:33:01 PDT 2016


Yes, things have (and are) changing. Probably faster than they ever have before. And some of those changes are good and some are bad. And some of the kids today are good and some are—well, not so much. I think clearly a big reason (although only one) of them for the “not so much” can be found in http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/329432/latest-statistics-illegitimate-births-roger-clegg <http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/329432/latest-statistics-illegitimate-births-roger-clegg>. We learn MUCH from our parents w/out even knowing that we are learning something. And often we (as parents) often do not realize how our actions often teach more than our words. Having said that, there has been no other country since the late 1800’s that is a better place to live than is the USA! We need to make sure that that continues for a long period of time!
	Dave

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Jason <dejoodster at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There's a lot to be learned from others and wisdom from age is only part of
> the equation. Youth is not a disqualifier, there are young people doing and
> creating great things every day. A lot of people have worked hard and still
> do today.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 11:09 AM charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Jason, you have no clue how hard my life has been but I'm not
>> complaining because others have had it worse.  What I said was
>> that I learned from the wisdom of older folks.  My father, who died
>> when I was 16, used to quote Senator Sam Raybern (sp)
>> "I never learned a thing when I was talking".
>> 
>> The problem we have now is that we have allowed a bunch of folks who never
>> listen
>> and do nothing but talk run the show.  Don't read any political direction
>> into that because
>> both sides are guilty.  The whole rotten mess needs to be cleaned out just
>> like the mouse
>> nests in another, more list appropriate message.
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:09 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>> 
>> Sad to see grown men whining about how great everything used to be. Well it
>> wasn't that great for everyone.
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 2:09 PM charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Spencer,  I know I'm late on this and it has died down but I just saw the
>>> messages.
>>> 
>>> When we were young we learned our values because we were taught to
>>> sit and listen to the older folks until we knew enough to talk
>>> intelligently.
>>> Then our generation got into the same go along to get along attitude that
>>> you seem to be promoting.  That's what got us into this mess.   We let
>>> people
>>> who are ignorant run the show because they shout the loudest and we want
>>> to
>>> be polite and get along.
>>> 
>>> One old adage is still true.  "The squeaky wheel gets the grease".
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:55 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>>> 
>>> At some point in time, we have to understand the continuation of this
>>> community and of the antique tractor collecting community as a whole is
>>> dependent on young people. Conversations like this just make us look like
>>> a
>>> bunch a grumpy old man and leave them cold.  It makes us look like our
>>> fathers and their fathers before them. I could recite entire volumes,
>>> speeches and books and essays that decry the diminution of American.
>>> Everyone of them would have been written before 1920.  Your angst is
>>> nothing
>>> new.
>>> 
>>> There's a new wave in America gentleman. It's a wave, and you better get
>> a
>>> surfboard learn how to ride.    If not for yourselves, then for this
>> list.
>>> If not for the list then for wisdom in realizing that nothing lasts.
>>> 
>>> My grandmother, at 91, was researching new laptops. I asked her why she
>>> even
>>> want to bother with them. She said "to stay relevant my dear".
>>> 
>>> Excellent advice....
>>> 
>>> Spencer Yost
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:44 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's the same America out here in fly over country.   It's just the
>>>> wrong crowd running the show.  WE can't wait for others to fix
>>>> it for us.  We have to take charge again.  Hopefully at the ballot
>>>> box.
>>>> 
>>>> Charlie
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Richard Fink Sr
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:43 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>>>> 
>>>> Many of us Mike M
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/12/2016 12:22 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>>> Not the America I grew up in that's for sure, Bo!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/12/2016 10:05 AM, Bo Hinch wrote:
>>>>>> *Subject:* My New Reality
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *My New Reality = really confused!!*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *It seems that lately my life has been getting more complicated, and
>> I
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to thank those of you who are brave enough to still associate with me
>>>>>> regardless of what I have become.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *The following is a recap of my current identity:*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I was born a white male, which makes me a racist.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I am a fiscal and moral conservative, which makes me a fascist.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I am heterosexual, which makes me a homophobe.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I am non-union, which makes me a traitor to the working class and an
>>>>>> ally
>>>>>> of big business.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I am a Christian, which makes me an infidel.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I am older than 65 and retired, which makes me a useless old man.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I think and I reason; therefore I doubt much that the main stream
>>> media
>>>>>> tells me, which makes me a reactionary.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I am proud of my heritage and our inclusive American culture, which
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> me a xenophobe.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I value my safety and that of my family; therefore I appreciate the
>>>>>> police
>>>>>> and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according
>> to
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> individual's merits, which makes me anti-socialist.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I acquired a good education without student loans and no debt at
>>>>>> graduation, which makes me some kind of odd underachiever.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *I believe in the defense and protection of the homeland by all
>>>>>> citizens,
>>>>>> which makes me a militarist.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Please help me come to terms with this, because I’m not sure who I
>> am
>>>>>> anymore!*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Newest problem ? I'm not sure which bathroom I should use.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please , somebody HELP me
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