[AT] Modern Gasoline

Thu Aug 25 21:53:03 PDT 2016

Can you explain further Ken? I've never heard of this type of service 
interval?

Mike M

On 8/25/2016 4:51 PM, Ken Knierim wrote:

> Th, oil changed every 2 days, Engines would last
> 4-6 months.
> Ken in AZ

> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is interesting stuff, and it's the reason I posed the question.  I'm
>> not sure if I've ever seen one of these types of carbs.
>>
>> SO
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:49 PM, <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But there were actually several different designs of those carb/gas tank
>>> combinations that looked alike but operated differently. Some had a
>>> built-in settling bowl that the built-in gas pump had to keep
>>> full-to-overflowing for the engine to run.  The fuel pump was FOREVER
>> going
>>> bad so I bought replacement diaphragms in lots of 10 so I didn't have to
>>> make a shopping trip whenever I needed one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> ---- Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> In a word: simplicity.The old Briggs carbs had no floats to get
>>> saturated,
>>>> no needle and seat to stick or wear out, no tiny passages and no float
>>> bowl
>>>> to collect crud to ruin the above mentioned parts. I guess they used
>> the
>>>> entire tank as a "bowl". I realize they are limited in that the carb
>> must
>>>> sit on top of the tank, but man, were they simple. If the motor
>> wouldn't
>>>> start or run correctly, you just unscrewed the gas cap and looked in
>> the
>>>> tank. If you saw water or trash in it, two bolts had it off and
>> emptied.
>>>> Warren
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Warren:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.  From a purely technical standpoint, how is the old B&S
>>>>> venturi carb superior?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephen, I have no idea, as I haven't left gas in one that long,
>> but
>>> if
>>>>>> someone would mate the old Briggs and Stratton venturi carb (no
>> bowl
>>> and
>>>>>> float) to the Honda OHV design with electronic ignition, they would
>>> have
>>>>>> the ideal small engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Offiler <
>>> soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do those Chonda engines run on 18-month old gas like the real
>>> thing?
>>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Charlie, that should indeed work as a replacement for him. I
>> put
>>> one
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> those on a Murray 20" push mower body to create what I call
>>>>>>> "Frankenmower".
>>>>>>>> Starts just like a Honda, and cuts through most anything
>> without
>>>>>>> complaint,
>>>>>>>> including "monkey grass" or lariope. Some people have adaptor
>>> issues
>>>>>>> mating
>>>>>>>> them up, but the review section of the Harbor Freight page
>> gives
>>>>>>> solutions
>>>>>>>> to almost all of those.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Around here we call them "Chondas", as they appear to be
>>> knock-offs
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Honda OHV design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, charlie hill <
>>>>>>> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dick wouldn't this work as a replacement for the 5.5 vertical
>>>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/55-hp-173cc-ohv-vertical-
>>>>>>>>> shaft-gas-engine-carb-69731.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Dick Day
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:20 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Modern Gasoline
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Several years ago, I converted our 15-year old Generac
>>> generator to
>>>>>> LP.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> always did start easy (electric start) but with LP I can
>>> connect it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> 500gallon LP tank if we ever got stranded by a blizzard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My other gas implements (push mower, 2 garden tractors, power
>>>>> washer,
>>>>>>>>> tiller) don't always start as easy even though I would let
>> the
>>> gas
>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> in the fall.    My plan was to convert every gas engine we
>> had.
>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> got a Troy Built sickle mower. That was next on my list to
>>> convert
>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> discovered that there are no engines I can buy to replace the
>>>>>> vertical
>>>>>>>>> 5.5hp Briggs that's on there.  I don't think that converting
>>> it to
>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> necessarily hurt the engine but decided not to take a chance
>>> and
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>> around to the other engines. I retire next spring. Once that
>>>>> happens,
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>> get back on my LP conversion project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Stephen Offiler <
>>>>> soffiler at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just pulled out my power washer and realized it has not
>>> been
>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>> March 2015.  Half a tank of fuel still sloshing around.  On
>>> the
>>>>>>>> upside, I
>>>>>>>>>> am always careful to turn off the gas and run the carb dry.
>>> I am
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> careful to add Sta-Bil as soon as I purchase gas.  We have
>>>>> ethanol
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> gas around here like in most places in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It started on the first pull.  Literally.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Engine is a 9HP Honda GX270 (I think).  I suppose there
>>> might be
>>>>>>>>> qualities
>>>>>>>>>> of the engine (strong spark, strong fuel vaporization in
>> the
>>>>> carb,
>>>>>>>>>> whatever...) that help it run on crappy old gas.  Or
>>> something.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> shaking my head in amazement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> SO
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