[AT] Modern Gasoline

Tue Aug 23 06:35:42 PDT 2016

As I understand, the Chinese had a contract to make Honda small engines
for a few years. The contract didn't require them to give any of the
molds back after the contract was up. The Chinese just had to change the
name. In short these are Honda engines, probably with Honda designed
quality control, but made by someone else. 

The patents on the Honda engine are long expired. All Honda has is a
name and quality control. The Chinese seemed to be learning quality
control, and they had a leg up because Honda didn't give the contract
without first ensuring good quality control that they just need to
continue. 

-- 
  Henry Miller
  hank at millerfarm.com

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016, at 07:47 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> That's interesting Cecil and it sort of suggests that the Chinese managed
> to knock off whatever is good about the Honda that makes it tolerate old
> gas.
> 
> SO
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, cecil bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > I have one on a sprayer and it set for over a year and had the worst
> > smelling gas in it.  I had to pull on it about 4 times before it started
> > and ran fine.   I sprayed with it a week ago and had no problems.
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/2016 6:50 AM, Mogrits wrote:
> > > Stephen, I have no idea, as I haven't left gas in one that long, but if
> > > someone would mate the old Briggs and Stratton venturi carb (no bowl and
> > > float) to the Honda OHV design with electronic ignition, they would have
> > > the ideal small engine.
> > >
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Do those Chonda engines run on 18-month old gas like the real thing?
> > >>
> > >> SO
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Charlie, that should indeed work as a replacement for him. I put one of
> > >>> those on a Murray 20" push mower body to create what I call
> > >> "Frankenmower".
> > >>> Starts just like a Honda, and cuts through most anything without
> > >> complaint,
> > >>> including "monkey grass" or lariope. Some people have adaptor issues
> > >> mating
> > >>> them up, but the review section of the Harbor Freight page gives
> > >> solutions
> > >>> to almost all of those.
> > >>>
> > >>> Around here we call them "Chondas", as they appear to be knock-offs of
> > >> the
> > >>> Honda OHV design.
> > >>>
> > >>> Warren
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, charlie hill <
> > >> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dick wouldn't this work as a replacement for the 5.5 vertical
> > >>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/55-hp-173cc-ohv-vertical-
> > >>>> shaft-gas-engine-carb-69731.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Charlie
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Dick Day
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:20 PM
> > >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Modern Gasoline
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Several years ago, I converted our 15-year old Generac generator to
> > LP.
> > >>> It
> > >>>> always did start easy (electric start) but with LP I can connect it to
> > >>> our
> > >>>> 500gallon LP tank if we ever got stranded by a blizzard.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My other gas implements (push mower, 2 garden tractors, power washer,
> > >>>> tiller) don't always start as easy even though I would let the gas run
> > >>> out
> > >>>> in the fall.    My plan was to convert every gas engine we had.  I've
> > >>> also
> > >>>> got a Troy Built sickle mower. That was next on my list to convert
> > >> until
> > >>> I
> > >>>> discovered that there are no engines I can buy to replace the vertical
> > >>>> 5.5hp Briggs that's on there.  I don't think that converting it to LP
> > >>> would
> > >>>> necessarily hurt the engine but decided not to take a chance and never
> > >>> got
> > >>>> around to the other engines. I retire next spring. Once that happens,
> > >>> I'll
> > >>>> get back on my LP conversion project.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I just pulled out my power washer and realized it has not been run
> > >>> since
> > >>>>> March 2015.  Half a tank of fuel still sloshing around.  On the
> > >>> upside, I
> > >>>>> am always careful to turn off the gas and run the carb dry.  I am
> > >> also
> > >>>>> careful to add Sta-Bil as soon as I purchase gas.  We have ethanol in
> > >>> our
> > >>>>> gas around here like in most places in the USA.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It started on the first pull.  Literally.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Engine is a 9HP Honda GX270 (I think).  I suppose there might be
> > >>>> qualities
> > >>>>> of the engine (strong spark, strong fuel vaporization in the carb,
> > >>>>> whatever...) that help it run on crappy old gas.  Or something.  I'm
> > >>>> still
> > >>>>> shaking my head in amazement.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> SO
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