[AT] off topic , really confused

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Sun Aug 14 21:01:17 PDT 2016 

Spencer:
In the current economic situation, I don't know of any young folks under 
40 who can have the time and money to be involved with our hobby.  It 
takes a large yard or acreage, a truck and trailer or access to one, 
knowledge about how to haul large things, an understanding wife who does 
not need someone at her beck and call every minute of the day.
Kids who want to learn about things from Dad would sure help.  The 
number of farm kids who might be interested in the old tractors are 
dwindling.
After 40, the kids are old enough to not need supervising every minute, 
a larger house or one in the suburbs is the place to live, The job does 
not demand so much of your time, etc...   I really think that about 40 
yrs old is when a person gets to the place they can devote time and 
money to a hobby.
A lot of the problem with getting younger folks interested in our work, 
is that there are no shop classes in high school anymore. Our kids are 
taught theory, but not how to use that theory..
Cecil in OKla



On 8/14/2016 10:14 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> Thanks for the testimonial Bo. Most of which I didn't know!  I do know you are one of the most generous, kind and helpful people I've met on the list so your success in the face of obstacles surprises me not one little bit.  Half of us wouldn't have engines that run at Portland if it wasn't for you.
>
> At any rate this is my last post on the subject as well. But I want to make very clear that I am not passing any sort of judgment on the content of the values nor the thoughts that you and the others have been expressing.
>
> I'm just saying:  They are important values so let's sell it better.
>
> Everyone under the age of 40 who reads half of the stuff that gets posted here is bound to get discouraged. They might be partly wrong to feel that way, but they would be partly right too.
>
> Plus, we raised them, right?  Not sure what that says about us. I don't know about you folks but I honestly believe all of us are better parents than some of these postings would infer.
>
> "Men resemble their times more than their fathers" (the fact this is a very ancient proverb probably should tell us something).
>
> Spencer Yost
>
>
>
> Spencer Yost
>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Bo Hinch <bohinch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Quite a few messages back , I promised Spencer I wasn't going to say any
>> more about this , but , I have to respond to Jason . I came from a very
>> poor family of seven . I was taught how to work and have responsibilities
>> beginning at 6 years old . I was shot with a 20 gauge shotgun 3 months
>> before my 15th birthday . Never returned to school because I was so far
>> behind . So , once I was able to walk again ( on an artificial leg ) at 17
>> , I went to work as a mechanic . I have worked all over the world , worked
>> 20 hours a day to purchase the toys I always wanted which were Model D J.D.
>> tractors and a Piper J3 airplane . I got my private pilot certificate in
>> 1964 , Raised cattle , planted gardens , worked two jobs when I had too ,
>> cut , bailed and hauled my own hay and never ever received any money or
>> assistance from the government . I opened my own business in 1985 and sold
>> it in 2008 , NEVER any help from anywhere , just a lot of long hard working
>> hours which I was taught how to do by my parents . My dad used to say ,
>> LIFE is WHAT YOU MAKE it . At 77 broken down years old , I HAVE worked for
>> what I have , which isn't a lot , but its mine and it pisses me off to see
>> all these DEAD HEADS sitting back complaining because our government
>> doesn't do enough for them .
>> I have to stop here before I literally explode and will probably get
>> removed from the one list I truly enjoy .
>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Jason <dejoodster at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sad to see grown men whining about how great everything used to be. Well it
>>> wasn't that great for everyone.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 2:09 PM charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Spencer,  I know I'm late on this and it has died down but I just saw the
>>>> messages.
>>>>
>>>> When we were young we learned our values because we were taught to
>>>> sit and listen to the older folks until we knew enough to talk
>>>> intelligently.
>>>> Then our generation got into the same go along to get along attitude that
>>>> you seem to be promoting.  That's what got us into this mess.   We let
>>>> people
>>>> who are ignorant run the show because they shout the loudest and we want
>>> to
>>>> be polite and get along.
>>>>
>>>> One old adage is still true.  "The squeaky wheel gets the grease".
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:55 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>>>>
>>>> At some point in time, we have to understand the continuation of this
>>>> community and of the antique tractor collecting community as a whole is
>>>> dependent on young people. Conversations like this just make us look
>>> like a
>>>> bunch a grumpy old man and leave them cold.  It makes us look like our
>>>> fathers and their fathers before them. I could recite entire volumes,
>>>> speeches and books and essays that decry the diminution of American.
>>>> Everyone of them would have been written before 1920.  Your angst is
>>>> nothing
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> There's a new wave in America gentleman. It's a wave, and you better get
>>> a
>>>> surfboard learn how to ride.    If not for yourselves, then for this
>>> list.
>>>> If not for the list then for wisdom in realizing that nothing lasts.
>>>>
>>>> My grandmother, at 91, was researching new laptops. I asked her why she
>>>> even
>>>> want to bother with them. She said "to stay relevant my dear".
>>>>
>>>> Excellent advice....
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:44 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the same America out here in fly over country.   It's just the
>>>>> wrong crowd running the show.  WE can't wait for others to fix
>>>>> it for us.  We have to take charge again.  Hopefully at the ballot
>>>>> box.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Richard Fink Sr
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:43 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of us Mike M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/12/2016 12:22 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>>>> Not the America I grew up in that's for sure, Bo!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/12/2016 10:05 AM, Bo Hinch wrote:
>>>>>>> *Subject:* My New Reality
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *My New Reality = really confused!!*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *It seems that lately my life has been getting more complicated, and
>>> I
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to thank those of you who are brave enough to still associate with me
>>>>>>> regardless of what I have become.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The following is a recap of my current identity:*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I was born a white male, which makes me a racist.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I am a fiscal and moral conservative, which makes me a fascist.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I am heterosexual, which makes me a homophobe.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I am non-union, which makes me a traitor to the working class and an
>>>>>>> ally
>>>>>>> of big business.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I am a Christian, which makes me an infidel.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I am older than 65 and retired, which makes me a useless old man.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I think and I reason; therefore I doubt much that the main stream
>>>> media
>>>>>>> tells me, which makes me a reactionary.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I am proud of my heritage and our inclusive American culture, which
>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>> me a xenophobe.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I value my safety and that of my family; therefore I appreciate the
>>>>>>> police
>>>>>>> and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according
>>> to
>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>> individual's merits, which makes me anti-socialist.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I acquired a good education without student loans and no debt at
>>>>>>> graduation, which makes me some kind of odd underachiever.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I believe in the defense and protection of the homeland by all
>>>>>>> citizens,
>>>>>>> which makes me a militarist.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Please help me come to terms with this, because I’m not sure who I
>>> am
>>>>>>> anymore!*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Newest problem ? I'm not sure which bathroom I should use.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please , somebody HELP me
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