[AT] off topic , really confused

Sat Aug 13 21:36:59 PDT 2016

AMEN!
Cecil in OKla

On 8/13/2016 5:24 PM, Bo Hinch wrote:
> Quite a few messages back , I promised Spencer I wasn't going to say any
> more about this , but , I have to respond to Jason . I came from a very
> poor family of seven . I was taught how to work and have responsibilities
> beginning at 6 years old . I was shot with a 20 gauge shotgun 3 months
> before my 15th birthday . Never returned to school because I was so far
> behind . So , once I was able to walk again ( on an artificial leg ) at 17
> , I went to work as a mechanic . I have worked all over the world , worked
> 20 hours a day to purchase the toys I always wanted which were Model D J.D.
> tractors and a Piper J3 airplane . I got my private pilot certificate in
> 1964 , Raised cattle , planted gardens , worked two jobs when I had too ,
> cut , bailed and hauled my own hay and never ever received any money or
> assistance from the government . I opened my own business in 1985 and sold
> it in 2008 , NEVER any help from anywhere , just a lot of long hard working
> hours which I was taught how to do by my parents . My dad used to say ,
> LIFE is WHAT YOU MAKE it . At 77 broken down years old , I HAVE worked for
> what I have , which isn't a lot , but its mine and it pisses me off to see
> all these DEAD HEADS sitting back complaining because our government
> doesn't do enough for them .
> I have to stop here before I literally explode and will probably get
> removed from the one list I truly enjoy .
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Jason <dejoodster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sad to see grown men whining about how great everything used to be. Well it
>> wasn't that great for everyone.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 2:09 PM charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spencer,  I know I'm late on this and it has died down but I just saw the
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> When we were young we learned our values because we were taught to
>>> sit and listen to the older folks until we knew enough to talk
>>> intelligently.
>>> Then our generation got into the same go along to get along attitude that
>>> you seem to be promoting.  That's what got us into this mess.   We let
>>> people
>>> who are ignorant run the show because they shout the loudest and we want
>> to
>>> be polite and get along.
>>>
>>> One old adage is still true.  "The squeaky wheel gets the grease".
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:55 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>>>
>>> At some point in time, we have to understand the continuation of this
>>> community and of the antique tractor collecting community as a whole is
>>> dependent on young people. Conversations like this just make us look
>> like a
>>> bunch a grumpy old man and leave them cold.  It makes us look like our
>>> fathers and their fathers before them. I could recite entire volumes,
>>> speeches and books and essays that decry the diminution of American.
>>> Everyone of them would have been written before 1920.  Your angst is
>>> nothing
>>> new.
>>>
>>> There's a new wave in America gentleman. It's a wave, and you better get
>> a
>>> surfboard learn how to ride.    If not for yourselves, then for this
>> list.
>>> If not for the list then for wisdom in realizing that nothing lasts.
>>>
>>> My grandmother, at 91, was researching new laptops. I asked her why she
>>> even
>>> want to bother with them. She said "to stay relevant my dear".
>>>
>>> Excellent advice....
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:44 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's the same America out here in fly over country.   It's just the
>>>> wrong crowd running the show.  WE can't wait for others to fix
>>>> it for us.  We have to take charge again.  Hopefully at the ballot
>>>> box.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Richard Fink Sr
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:43 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic , really confused
>>>>
>>>> Many of us Mike M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/12/2016 12:22 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>>> Not the America I grew up in that's for sure, Bo!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/12/2016 10:05 AM, Bo Hinch wrote:
>>>>>> *Subject:* My New Reality
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *My New Reality = really confused!!*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *It seems that lately my life has been getting more complicated, and
>> I
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to thank those of you who are brave enough to still associate with me
>>>>>> regardless of what I have become.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The following is a recap of my current identity:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I was born a white male, which makes me a racist.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I am a fiscal and moral conservative, which makes me a fascist.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I am heterosexual, which makes me a homophobe.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I am non-union, which makes me a traitor to the working class and an
>>>>>> ally
>>>>>> of big business.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I am a Christian, which makes me an infidel.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I am older than 65 and retired, which makes me a useless old man.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I think and I reason; therefore I doubt much that the main stream
>>> media
>>>>>> tells me, which makes me a reactionary.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I am proud of my heritage and our inclusive American culture, which
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> me a xenophobe.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I value my safety and that of my family; therefore I appreciate the
>>>>>> police
>>>>>> and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according
>> to
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> individual's merits, which makes me anti-socialist.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I acquired a good education without student loans and no debt at
>>>>>> graduation, which makes me some kind of odd underachiever.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I believe in the defense and protection of the homeland by all
>>>>>> citizens,
>>>>>> which makes me a militarist.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Please help me come to terms with this, because I’m not sure who I
>> am
>>>>>> anymore!*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Newest problem ? I'm not sure which bathroom I should use.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please , somebody HELP me
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