[AT] Garden question

[charlie hill]

Steve,  I agree that wasn't a good source.  It's just the first one I
found that reflected what I've read before and I didn't have time to
look for a better one.  I have a recently retired medical Doctor friend
who's dad was a mechanical engineering professor at Virginia Tech.
There is very little that my friend hasn't read up on and doesn't 
understand.
He's an environmentalist type in the sense that he's an avid hunter and
fisherman.  Down here where we live the watersheds and estuaries are very
important and fragile and if damaged highly affect the way we live and the 
things
he enjoys doing.  He tells me that round up breaks down to harmless organic 
salts.
The article I cited says it breaks down (eventually I guess) to nitrogen and 
CO2.   ANY of
those substances can be problematic at some level.  It's all about proper 
use!

I'll tell you this, if not for round up ready corn and soy beans you 
wouldn't be eating much
meat unless you are a lot wealthier than I am.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Stephen Offiler
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 7:57 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Garden question

Try the CRAAP test to determine the general reliability of any information
source, online or elsewhere:

https://www.csuchico.edu/lins/handouts/eval_websites.pdf

SO


On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a direct argument with you Charlie but with your link.  The author is
> has no expertise in the subject matter.  She claims some of her 
> information
> stems from research done at Cornell University, but, she provides no
> references so the reader cannot check and determine if her claims are
> rational and accurate.
>
> So not saying you're wrong Charlie but I am saying this link isn't helping
> prove you're right.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:05 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ivan the vinegar is a good tip, thanks but glyphosate (Round Up)
>> gets a bad rap in the media.  The stuff breaks down to nitrogen and
>> carbon dioxide in a relatively short time and is harmless to humans
>> and animals.
>>
>> I know someone will argue so instead of arguing with me read this
>> article prepared from research by Cornell University.
>> http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5436386_long-roundup-stay-soil.html
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ivan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:26 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Garden question
>>
>>   I used to use roundup ,now using horticurtual grade vinegar  10% .
>> Mix with a tablespoon of dishsoap tand spray witha garden sprayer . I
>> suppose you could dab it on with one of the previously mentioned devices
>> .   Key thing is vinegar has to be 10% . The stuff sold in the grocery
>> stores for kitchen use is not strong enough . I've been getting mine off
>> Amazon  , last time all I could get was 20 % so mix it half vinegar and
>> half water to dilute it .   Remember that vinegar is an acid so be
>> carefull when handling it . It will burn eyes or sensitive shin but
>> washes off with water and brakes down to harmless stuff within 24 hours
>> without any nasty long lasting chemicals to poisen things .  It is not
>> selective so use it carefully .   Ivan
>> On 8/3/2016 2:37 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
>> > My garden is where the old cattle yard was. Things grow great and the
>> > soil is easy to work; I use my farmall cub to work and cultivate the
>> > garden, however, once things get a little big weeds take over. My back
>> > won't allow much hand weeding and weeds get a couple of feet high in a
>> > short time. I have seen, at least in Agri-Supply,  a stick like thing
>> > with a 6 inch rope wick thing on the bottom and you put round-up in it
>> > and swipe the weeds and it is supposed to kill them and not your 
>> > plants.
>> > Anyone ever used them and do they work or is it just more money down 
>> > the
>> > drain.
>> >            Greg Hass
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