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Tue Apr 26 04:07:26 PDT 2016

Stephen; your comments about being the owner of a 19 year old truck were 
understood and enjoyed. Herb(GA)

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From: Stephen Offiler
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:52 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)

This is very much like my situation Len.  Instead of a hybrid I opted for a
2013 VW TDI, purchased Certified Pre-Owned for a really fair price, for my
60-mile daily commute (and yes, that is turning into a much MUCH longer
story these days but never mind).  That lets me keep a 19-year old Ford
F250HD that I literally treat as an old tractor in my mind.  It breaks, I
fix it, repeat.  It's great having a true work truck where scratches and
dents are totally meaningless.

SO

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Len Rugen <rugenl at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I got a 2010 Honda Civic Hybrid "butt buggy" for commuting. It lets me
> keep a 20 year old Dodge 4x4 5.9l that will pass anything but a gas
> station.  I bought it a year old, just before a gas price spike, for what 
> I
> could have bought a new base model Civic.  I'm 6' 6", so good MPG options
> are limited, but that car is surprisingly roomy.  I considered the Chevy
> Volt, but they were expensive at the time, I couldn't even find one, but
> someone said they are the same body as the Cruze, I tried one on, it 
> wasn't
> a fit for my knees.
>
> Having a spare vehicle removes me from being a mechanic's hostage. If one
> needs work, I can diagnose and decide if it's economical for me to fix it
> or hire it done.
>
>
> Len Rugen
>
> rugenl at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>     On Monday, April 25, 2016 6:20 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>  I will jump in here. There are few  points that help with the discussion
>
> The first point is to keep this list somewhere near antique stuff:  If
> anyone is serious about the environmental and social damage of 
> automobiles,
> you should keep all the old ones on the road. Much of the damage is done
> manufacturing vehicles - especially electric vehicles - and  not
> operational.
>
> While traveling you are recharging on an electrical grid that is powered
> by the fuel that makes the most sense for that area. For example you might
> be charging with electricity made with natural gas in Pennsylvania but
> nuclear in Arizona or oil in North Dakota .  This assumes market forces 
> are
> minimizing the environmental costs of transporting fuel.
>
> Pollution for electric vehicles is centralized in the smokestacks.
> Ostensibly that should mean there is a better job of cleaning up. I do
> understand that's a debatable. Considering the electrical utilities are 
> not
> held to task as tightly as they should be in this regard.
>
> Range is a mute point once you feel the acceleration of the Tesla :-) - at
> least that's what an acquaintance told me after he  drove one.
>
> Some points to ponder…
>
> Spencer Yost
>
> > On Apr 25, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Henry Miller <hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:
> >
> > You miss the point, most people do not drive long distances often. I
> work with people with various electric cars, all have other cars, they
> wouldn't use their commuting car for family trips anyway. Thus the range
> argument is moot.
> >
> > As for fuel, the great advantage of electric is it can be anything. When
> coal is cheap use that, if wind or solar are cheap (or you want to pay
> extra to be green), it still works. If the mythical fusion reactor still
> works you are still good.
> >
> > I've come close to running out of fuel cause I couldn't find a diesel
> pump in the city I was in.
> >
> > Most quotes or price say the cost of electric is equivalent to gas at
> $1/gallon. I bought my car because the fuel savings over my truck was
> greater than the payment.
> >
> > Again if you only make long distance trips the electric car is not for
> you. However for most families that buy new cars having an electric in the
> mix makes sense. It won't work for everything, but it will be better for
> some things and so it balances out. (I specified new because used electric
> cars are not well available in the used market yet, and mechanics don't
> know how to evaluate them yet)
> >
> >
> >
> >> On April 25, 2016 1:52:29 PM CDT, charlie hill <
> charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >> So you recharge them what... every 80 miles?
> >> How long does it take?  Certainly a lot longer than
> >> it takes me to pump 22 gallons of gasoline in my
> >> 4 wd pickup truck that allows me to drive 400 plus miles
> >> before needing to be refilled?  What kind of fuel do they
> >> use to make the electricity for the charging station?  Coal,
> >> bunker C oil, natural gas, nuclear power?  What is your time
> >> worth while you are waiting .... what 4 hours for every hour you drive
> >> to recharge?
> >>
> >> I have no problem with electrical motors driving vehicles, Diesel over
> >> electric
> >> works very well for locomotives and heavy construction equipment.  Not
> >> so
> >> much for small cars used for anything other than a short daily commute.
> >>
> >> Stephen,  just so you don't miss it this time, these are rhetorical
> >> questions
> >> intended to make a point.  They don't require your reply.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stephen Offiler
> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:20 PM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)
> >>
> >> Tesla has two networks of charging stations:
> >>
> >> 1)  "Destination" charging stations, at hotels, restaurants, malls,
> >> etc.
> >> Map:
> >> https://www.teslamotors.com/destination-charging
> >>
> >>
> >> 2)  "Supercharger" stations.  Map:
> >> https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I believe most of the charging stations are located near other
> >> businesses.
> >>> I think he found many to be either near or at a mall.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 9:59 AM, charlie hill
> >> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What does he do with his time while waiting at the charging station
> >> for
> >>> it
> >>>> to recharge?
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: DDSS, Inc.
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 1:32 PM
> >>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)
> >>>>
> >>>> My son in Chicago has a P85.  That is an incredible car.  There is
> >> a
> >>>> button, I believe it's called the insane/insanity button (cannot
> >>> remember).
> >>>> I work for the county.  On one of my son's trips here to Nebraska,
> >> he
> >>>> brought it to the jail and took some of the deputies for a 'ride'.
> >> One
> >>>> deputy said that when my son hit the button and then floored it, he
> >> left
> >>> a
> >>>> new "tuck" in the naugahyde seat.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are enough charging stations between here and Chicago that he
> >> had
> >>> no
> >>>> problems.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
> >> Yost
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:46 AM
> >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yea.  Very cool.  Everyone's read a lot about their factory and
> >> methods
> >>>> but
> >>>> the video make its real.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Dave,
> >>>>
> >>>> Spencer Yost
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Bo Hinch <bohinch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> as usual , I enjoyed the short film .
> >>>>> Thanks Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Dave <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> See: http://biggeekdad.com/2013/09/tesla-motors-factory/
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